This stuff will NEVER cease until Google themselves stops being the greatest Data Sink of all time, and puts some actual Privacy into Android....and we ALL know when that will be.
Since iOS has allowed Sideloading of Apps outside of the App Store through XCode since iOS 8, and, coincidentally enough, using a Cydia cross-platform tool called "Impactor", without requiring XCode or a Mac, Jailbreaking of iOS devices has become less and less desirable.
So, it doesn't surprise me that Jailbreaking has fallen off in recent years.
And people who keep saying such corrections should be made should start analyzing the motives of the people doing promoting these false messages and stop making suggestions and start looking for ways to enforce true justice.
In the late 19th century Pulitzer and Hearst were going at it hammer and tongs trying to outsell one another in the newspaper business. They ended up in a contest over who could come up with the most sensationalized headlines and copy to sell papers. One of the simplest going theories for the origin of the term in the use of yellow ink during this period of big, exaggerated headlines. There are, however, other theories as well.
Thanks for the history lesson. I thought it had something to do with Hearst; but couldn't remember what.
They used to call "baiting" articles like TFA here "Yellow Journalism". I'm not sure where the "Yellow" came from; but the definition is "Something published as 'News' that is actually nothing more than the author's Opinion, and generally published to further the author's agenda".
So basically any article you read online these days. Journalism died a few years back. Everything is Opinion pieces these days, light on facts, heavy on "This is why this is bad/good!".
It does seem to be going that way; but this is over the top.
They used to call "baiting" articles like TFA here "Yellow Journalism". I'm not sure where the "Yellow" came from; but the definition is "Something published as 'News' that is actually nothing more than the author's Opinion, and generally published to further the author's agenda".
Plus, as many others here have pointed out, Correlation is not Causation. Apple is studiously, almost fervently, ethnically and culturally-diverse in its policies, advertising, marketing and even product design. And they don't just talk the talk, they actually walk the walk, too.
This article really should be taken down, and the Slashdot editor that approved it should be dismissed, with an Apology to Apple.
I had already seen that when I replied. It's irrelevant. I wasn't disputing how it works.
I didn't have to look at the link, I was merely pointing out what you took to be true wasn't actually proof. It's like saying I KNOW that the Earth is round because I never fell off the edge.
It wasn't sarcastic, it was just pointing out your logic was wrong.
My "logic" was based on many many years as an embedded Dev., plus the fact that the trigger phrase wasn't changeable, suggesting a "simple" dedicated-hardware speech recognition system, and additionally suggested by the fact that the "Hey Siri" wakeup required an update of the SoC to happen without having the iPhone plugged into AC Power (because just a small subsystem in the SoC had to remain awake to listen/decipher the Trigger Phrase).
So, It was a case of deductive reasoning (or is it inductive? I can't remember) that led me to the conclusion that "Hey, Siri!" Recognition requires no communication with the Mothership.
It's just nice to see that my logic came to the correct conclusion, as proven by the linked Apple Whitpaper.
Logic fail. You cannot "KNOW", there's no difference between it being processed in the cloud with " hey siri" and "hey Satan" if the server only responds to "hey siri".
It's not a valid assumption.
Fair enough; but This validates my assumption quite nicely, don'tcha think?
BTW, that took.05 secs of Googling. Perhaps, next time you might try that BEFORE you resort to easily-disproven sarcastic bullshit.
Thanks for acknowledging that! It's actually getting pretty rare on/. to have CIVIL discourse with others...;-)
About the not wanting it enough, that is, of course, my own speculation (hence the use of "might", and after that my reasoning). The hackintosh numbers increasing, among pros, I explain a bit more below, but it's also speculation.
In the end we'll just have to wait and see why the inclusion of the ARM cpu. There are many things this can bring to the table, from basic branding (like having some shinny, 60fps fully animated "bios" or "fastboot") to interoperability/recovery or even flat out low power. Hell, even using it for not having to replicate the "neural engine" and provide FaceID just like in the iPhone X.
There's actually a precedent for that last bit: You know that the original Macintosh was SUPPOSED to have an MC6809 Microprocessor; but nobody wanted to port Andy Hertzfeld's(?) work on QuickDraw and its Overlapping Windows that he had done for the Lisa (which had an MC68k in it), and so they just put a 68k in the Mac, too!
Of course the Mac community, especially the Pros, will likely not resort to piracy or Hackingtosh by default, but from a look at the amount youtube instructionals by very popular personalities, or the scale, detail and variety of hardware compatibility lists (going all the way up to high-end GPUs and CPUs) really goes to show who has been building Mac workstations recently, and these will resort to piracy if it makes things simpler. As I said before, they are already in the shit if caught.
I would imagine the Looooooooong wait for a Mac Pro refresh isn't helping that. In fact, I would imagine that most "Hacks" are by people that really NEED a more powerful Mac Pro (esp. in the GPU dept. The CPU doesn't do so bad, even now).
Here's to hoping they do the "Modular Mac Pro" they have teased, right!
And, for us mere mortals, a nicely upgraded Mac mini, too!! Please, Please!!!
Lol, even more, proof how much of a nerdgasm killer apple products are. also, doubt Siri will be any less deaf than she is on the current I phones. sometimes you say like "hey Siri open the pod bay door" or something else and she gives you completely the opposite of what you said even though you said it really clearly. Finally the iPhone 10 is a joke and a good way to burn a hole in your pocket just look at the meme that spawned from it. http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/i...
Offtopic much?
We were discussing whether the A10/A11 being included in the iMac Pro was for Hey Siri!, or for Hardware Lockdown.
Your Post addressed neither topic, and was instead simply an Off-Topic Apple Hater diatribe.
First would be that Apple simply might have not wanted it enough in the past as it does now, since now the scale of hackintosh use is affecting their economies of scale.
Citation, please? I would imagine that the Hackintosh community has never risen above the 1 - 2% world. Remember, you have to consider how many people have NO idea how to even start creating a Hackintosh, let alone solving any problems along the way.
I have built PUH-lenty of white-box PCs, even back in the days of DIP switches and IRQ conflicts (and also later on), and I STILL would have difficulty convincing myself that creating a Hackintosh would be worth the potential "gotchas" with WiFi, Sound, Thunderbolt, etc.
Back then it simply didn't matter.
Second, the only real thing a company can do is prepare (it's rarely enough) and proactively demotivate hacking.
Well, they DO have that "Do Not Copy OS X" Image embedded in the OS;-)
But here's the thing: When Apple first designed (albeit with Intel's help) the first-generation of Intel Macs, apparently there was a TPC chip actually populated on the mobo. However, Apple either never wrote a driver for the chip, or never bothered to listen to the output. And then, subsequent generations of Macs DROPPED the TPC altogether.
So, obviously, someone at Apple CONSIDERED locking OS X to gen-you-whine Apple h/w; but made a conscious effort NOT to go forward with that.
Of course, that doesn't mean they couldn't change their mind; but I really think they consider the Hack community to be below the level of noise, and considering the fact that more recent versions of macOS have been "naturally" becoming somewhat more difficult to "patch" for Hack-use, I think that it is unlikely they are sticking the ARM in there to thwart the Hackintoshes...
I like to look at the gaming consoles market* as a great example of how relevant OR not piracy protection can be to different companies, due to different markets - Sony and Microsoft have a solid, pretty much uncracable system to boot, and have a lot of insiders scouring the web and sending cease and desists preventing any hack to mess with their sales. On the other hand, Nintendo is known for being a passive honeypot, and when eventually always break, even with their propietary gimmicks and non-standard media formats. They will rely mostly on software updates to fix issues a-posteriori, and even be careless for online use of pirated games (!). The difference between Sony+MS and Nintendo's user base is that the former (teenagers and young adults, a more tech savvy and money-tight crowd) will pirate easily when given the chance, while the later's (mostly well-off, busy realtives/parents buying stuff for young kids) will not resort to piracy. The market that pirates Nintendo is likely a market that would not have "bought" Nintendo in the first place, so it makes no difference for them and they don't care.
And this is exactly what Apple has been doing, but they're wising up. iPhone jailbreaks started giving them a taste for the problem, and now it happening in the pro segment is also posing a problem.
Big difference! An iPhone jailbreak can lose Apple its reputation for a secure mobile platform (because people will just ignore the fact that a phone was Jailbroken, and only focus on the bad shit that can happen thereafter); but a Hackintosh hits Apple where it hurts: Hardware Sales. But, as I said, the number of Hackintoshes is actually quite small, relatively speaking.
I personally think they saw similarities on both problems and even laugh at the fact they are literally solving the hackintosh issue with an mobile-related innovation against hacking.
*note: the PC market doesn't enter this equation because it is simply way off economically, while the user base is simillar to Sony+MS - they will pirate anything
Yes we know - it is hard coded. Actually, a variety of equivalent phrases in different languages supported by Siri are hard-coded. Apple's Machine Learning Journal has an article about the "Hey Siri"-detecting deep learning network: https://machinelearning.apple....
Do we know whether the pharase is hard-coded? Can we change it to, say, "Hail Satan" or something?
No, it cannot be changed. That's one of the reasons we KNOW that it is being recognized on-chip. They didn't (yet) build the entire Siri "recognition engine" into the A10 and above; just enough to recognize that particular utterance in a speaker-independent way.
Seems to me all they want is to prevent another hackintosh-run by their most loyal and profitable customer base (read: the pro artist). I bet that if this happens to be the case, they won't launch another Mac Pro in at least another 5 years. And obviously price will stay mostly unchanged throughout as the good Nintendo Apple is on this subject.
If Apple wanted to quash the Hacintosh community, they could have done that back in 2006.
Apple can basically get away with anything it does because its user base a) knows next to nothing about how hardware or software works under the hood, b) has no idea how cheaply Apple manufactures its products and c) hangs on to the irrational idea that "if you buy Apple, you get the best in the world".
This is In stark contrast to the Android User base which, by and large:
1. Knows next to nothing about how hardware or software works under the hood;
2. Has no idea how cheaply $OEM$ manufactures its products, and;
3. Hangs on to the irrational idea that "If you avoid Apple, you strike a blow for freedom."
The FaceID debacle (if one wishes to call it that -- it may be a bit extreme of a term) might be what pushes them to finally implement a guest passcode; and Apple implementing it might be what triggers Android to do it. If that happens, an absolutely huge number of people will be thankful for FaceID, whether they know it or not, even if they don't have an iPhone X.
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This stuff will NEVER cease until Google themselves stops being the greatest Data Sink of all time, and puts some actual Privacy into Android. ...and we ALL know when that will be.
Since iOS has allowed Sideloading of Apps outside of the App Store through XCode since iOS 8, and, coincidentally enough, using a Cydia cross-platform tool called "Impactor", without requiring XCode or a Mac, Jailbreaking of iOS devices has become less and less desirable.
So, it doesn't surprise me that Jailbreaking has fallen off in recent years.
It's because You lack Courage. If you had Courage you would Understand the capitalization Plan.
No. Autocorrect and Auto-capitalization are both more annoying than helpful in iOS.
Now it's just called journalism. Almost every story is like this. Some are more subtle about it.
Almost all are more subtle than that one.
That article is likely actionable as libel.
And people who keep saying such corrections should be made should start analyzing the motives of the people doing promoting these false messages and stop making suggestions and start looking for ways to enforce true justice.
Sure, sounds good.
You first.
In the late 19th century Pulitzer and Hearst were going at it hammer and tongs trying to outsell one another in the newspaper business. They ended up in a contest over who could come up with the most sensationalized headlines and copy to sell papers. One of the simplest going theories for the origin of the term in the use of yellow ink during this period of big, exaggerated headlines. There are, however, other theories as well.
Thanks for the history lesson. I thought it had something to do with Hearst; but couldn't remember what.
They used to call "baiting" articles like TFA here "Yellow Journalism". I'm not sure where the "Yellow" came from; but the definition is "Something published as 'News' that is actually nothing more than the author's Opinion, and generally published to further the author's agenda".
So basically any article you read online these days. Journalism died a few years back. Everything is Opinion pieces these days, light on facts, heavy on "This is why this is bad/good!".
It does seem to be going that way; but this is over the top.
They used to call "baiting" articles like TFA here "Yellow Journalism". I'm not sure where the "Yellow" came from; but the definition is "Something published as 'News' that is actually nothing more than the author's Opinion, and generally published to further the author's agenda".
Plus, as many others here have pointed out, Correlation is not Causation. Apple is studiously, almost fervently, ethnically and culturally-diverse in its policies, advertising, marketing and even product design. And they don't just talk the talk, they actually walk the walk, too.
This article really should be taken down, and the Slashdot editor that approved it should be dismissed, with an Apology to Apple.
The search interface that comes with Directory Opus does that and more (you can setup advanced filters and save them).
Even before Spotlight, macOS allowed for saving search templates.
Copying Apple has worked for 30 years. Why quit now?
http://applemuseum.bott.org/se...
Yep, like this never gets old!
https://youtu.be/N-2C2gb6ws8
Search is for retards who don't know where they put their shit. Like Mac users.
Want to cripple a computer's performance? Don't disable search indexing. No fucking thank you.
I know exactly where I put my shit.
Apple's search indexing is completely unobtrusive, except in the first couple of days after a major rev. OS upgrade.
I had already seen that when I replied. It's irrelevant. I wasn't disputing how it works.
I didn't have to look at the link, I was merely pointing out what you took to be true wasn't actually proof. It's like saying I KNOW that the Earth is round because I never fell off the edge.
It wasn't sarcastic, it was just pointing out your logic was wrong.
My "logic" was based on many many years as an embedded Dev., plus the fact that the trigger phrase wasn't changeable, suggesting a "simple" dedicated-hardware speech recognition system, and additionally suggested by the fact that the "Hey Siri" wakeup required an update of the SoC to happen without having the iPhone plugged into AC Power (because just a small subsystem in the SoC had to remain awake to listen/decipher the Trigger Phrase).
So, It was a case of deductive reasoning (or is it inductive? I can't remember) that led me to the conclusion that "Hey, Siri!" Recognition requires no communication with the Mothership.
It's just nice to see that my logic came to the correct conclusion, as proven by the linked Apple Whitpaper.
Building a hackitosh is too overwhelming for you, therefore the numbers must be low?
Logic fail.
Fuck man, it's just reading what smarter people than you have done and also doing that. Too difficult to read?
That's twisting what I said, and meant.
It isn't too hard for me, I just don't have the need or the inclination or the time to mess with it.
And you should very well know that not every challenge has been discovered, or solved, by "smarter people".
Logic fail. You cannot "KNOW", there's no difference between it being processed in the cloud with " hey siri" and "hey Satan" if the server only responds to "hey siri".
It's not a valid assumption.
Fair enough; but This validates my assumption quite nicely, don'tcha think?
BTW, that took .05 secs of Googling. Perhaps, next time you might try that BEFORE you resort to easily-disproven sarcastic bullshit.
Very fair points there.
Thanks for acknowledging that! It's actually getting pretty rare on /. to have CIVIL discourse with others... ;-)
About the not wanting it enough, that is, of course, my own speculation (hence the use of "might", and after that my reasoning). The hackintosh numbers increasing, among pros, I explain a bit more below, but it's also speculation.
In the end we'll just have to wait and see why the inclusion of the ARM cpu. There are many things this can bring to the table, from basic branding (like having some shinny, 60fps fully animated "bios" or "fastboot") to interoperability/recovery or even flat out low power. Hell, even using it for not having to replicate the "neural engine" and provide FaceID just like in the iPhone X.
There's actually a precedent for that last bit: You know that the original Macintosh was SUPPOSED to have an MC6809 Microprocessor; but nobody wanted to port Andy Hertzfeld's(?) work on QuickDraw and its Overlapping Windows that he had done for the Lisa (which had an MC68k in it), and so they just put a 68k in the Mac, too!
Of course the Mac community, especially the Pros, will likely not resort to piracy or Hackingtosh by default, but from a look at the amount youtube instructionals by very popular personalities, or the scale, detail and variety of hardware compatibility lists (going all the way up to high-end GPUs and CPUs) really goes to show who has been building Mac workstations recently, and these will resort to piracy if it makes things simpler. As I said before, they are already in the shit if caught.
I would imagine the Looooooooong wait for a Mac Pro refresh isn't helping that. In fact, I would imagine that most "Hacks" are by people that really NEED a more powerful Mac Pro (esp. in the GPU dept. The CPU doesn't do so bad, even now).
Here's to hoping they do the "Modular Mac Pro" they have teased, right!
And, for us mere mortals, a nicely upgraded Mac mini, too!! Please, Please!!!
Two thumbs WAY down for Intel pulling this shit in the first place.
One thumb sorta up for them admitting they have bugs in said shit.
Lol, even more, proof how much of a nerdgasm killer apple products are.
also, doubt Siri will be any less deaf than she is on the current I phones. sometimes you say like "hey Siri open the pod bay door" or something else and she gives you completely the opposite of what you said even though you said it really clearly.
Finally the iPhone 10 is a joke and a good way to burn a hole in your pocket just look at the meme that spawned from it.
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/i...
Offtopic much?
We were discussing whether the A10/A11 being included in the iMac Pro was for Hey Siri!, or for Hardware Lockdown.
Your Post addressed neither topic, and was instead simply an Off-Topic Apple Hater diatribe.
Go away.
I personally disagree for a multitude of reasons.
First would be that Apple simply might have not wanted it enough in the past as it does now, since now the scale of hackintosh use is affecting their economies of scale.
Citation, please? I would imagine that the Hackintosh community has never risen above the 1 - 2% world. Remember, you have to consider how many people have NO idea how to even start creating a Hackintosh, let alone solving any problems along the way.
I have built PUH-lenty of white-box PCs, even back in the days of DIP switches and IRQ conflicts (and also later on), and I STILL would have difficulty convincing myself that creating a Hackintosh would be worth the potential "gotchas" with WiFi, Sound, Thunderbolt, etc.
Back then it simply didn't matter.
Second, the only real thing a company can do is prepare (it's rarely enough) and proactively demotivate hacking.
Well, they DO have that "Do Not Copy OS X" Image embedded in the OS ;-)
But here's the thing: When Apple first designed (albeit with Intel's help) the first-generation of Intel Macs, apparently there was a TPC chip actually populated on the mobo. However, Apple either never wrote a driver for the chip, or never bothered to listen to the output. And then, subsequent generations of Macs DROPPED the TPC altogether.
So, obviously, someone at Apple CONSIDERED locking OS X to gen-you-whine Apple h/w; but made a conscious effort NOT to go forward with that.
Of course, that doesn't mean they couldn't change their mind; but I really think they consider the Hack community to be below the level of noise, and considering the fact that more recent versions of macOS have been "naturally" becoming somewhat more difficult to "patch" for Hack-use, I think that it is unlikely they are sticking the ARM in there to thwart the Hackintoshes...
I like to look at the gaming consoles market* as a great example of how relevant OR not piracy protection can be to different companies, due to different markets - Sony and Microsoft have a solid, pretty much uncracable system to boot, and have a lot of insiders scouring the web and sending cease and desists preventing any hack to mess with their sales. On the other hand, Nintendo is known for being a passive honeypot, and when eventually always break, even with their propietary gimmicks and non-standard media formats. They will rely mostly on software updates to fix issues a-posteriori, and even be careless for online use of pirated games (!). The difference between Sony+MS and Nintendo's user base is that the former (teenagers and young adults, a more tech savvy and money-tight crowd) will pirate easily when given the chance, while the later's (mostly well-off, busy realtives/parents buying stuff for young kids) will not resort to piracy. The market that pirates Nintendo is likely a market that would not have "bought" Nintendo in the first place, so it makes no difference for them and they don't care.
And this is exactly what Apple has been doing, but they're wising up. iPhone jailbreaks started giving them a taste for the problem, and now it happening in the pro segment is also posing a problem.
Big difference! An iPhone jailbreak can lose Apple its reputation for a secure mobile platform (because people will just ignore the fact that a phone was Jailbroken, and only focus on the bad shit that can happen thereafter); but a Hackintosh hits Apple where it hurts: Hardware Sales. But, as I said, the number of Hackintoshes is actually quite small, relatively speaking.
I personally think they saw similarities on both problems and even laugh at the fact they are literally solving the hackintosh issue with an mobile-related innovation against hacking.
*note: the PC market doesn't enter this equation because it is simply way off economically, while the user base is simillar to Sony+MS - they will pirate anything
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Yes we know - it is hard coded. Actually, a variety of equivalent phrases in different languages supported by Siri are hard-coded. Apple's Machine Learning Journal has an article about the "Hey Siri"-detecting deep learning network: https://machinelearning.apple....
Cool citation, thanks!
> It deciphers the Hey Siri! Phrase on-chip
Do we know whether the pharase is hard-coded? Can we change it to, say, "Hail Satan" or something?
No, it cannot be changed. That's one of the reasons we KNOW that it is being recognized on-chip. They didn't (yet) build the entire Siri "recognition engine" into the A10 and above; just enough to recognize that particular utterance in a speaker-independent way.
Seems to me all they want is to prevent another hackintosh-run by their most loyal and profitable customer base (read: the pro artist). I bet that if this happens to be the case, they won't launch another Mac Pro in at least another 5 years. And obviously price will stay mostly unchanged throughout as the good Nintendo Apple is on this subject.
If Apple wanted to quash the Hacintosh community, they could have done that back in 2006.
Will this just turn off response, or will this still send audio to Apple's clown servers in case someone turns Siri on in the next 5 seconds?
It deciphers the Hey Siri! Phrase on-chip. Nothing is sent to Apple until AFTER you utter the Trigger Phrase.
Apple can basically get away with anything it does because its user base a) knows next to nothing about how hardware or software works under the hood, b) has no idea how cheaply Apple manufactures its products and c) hangs on to the irrational idea that "if you buy Apple, you get the best in the world".
This is In stark contrast to the Android User base which, by and large:
1. Knows next to nothing about how hardware or software works under the hood;
2. Has no idea how cheaply $OEM$ manufactures its products, and;
3. Hangs on to the irrational idea that "If you avoid Apple, you strike a blow for freedom."
See how that works?
Are they the ones who don't drink, smoke, fornicate, play computer games, or gamble?
Perhaps they don't live longer - it just seems like it.
They actually do ALL of those things. They just try not to get caught by the Church Elders doing it!
The FaceID debacle (if one wishes to call it that -- it may be a bit extreme of a term) might be what pushes them to finally implement a guest passcode; and Apple implementing it might be what triggers Android to do it. If that happens, an absolutely huge number of people will be thankful for FaceID, whether they know it or not, even if they don't have an iPhone X.
We can hope and dream, right?
I have no dreams for Android; but you're right.