Looks to me like you're just looking for a shortcut to profit. Ask/. , whip up some kind of ASP.NET website, tell boss it's handled.
I'd probably diss you further but you provide so *little* information... Still, I'll attempt a translation. ==========
I'm involved with a project - I got saddled with a task nobody else will take 'cause they're WAY more competent.
that is looking to develop an online community for technology oriented business customers. - we want to sell sell sell sell sell sell sell sell sell
Although there are various communities on the web, - I know the web is a big place. a scarey place. I'm too (1) dumb to find what I need (2) lazy to find what I need (3) stupid (lazy and dumb) to find what I need
there is no centralized source of information for the customers. - see above (you mean "our customers", right?!)
If you could develop an online community to encourage collaboration and information sharing, what features would you want included? How would you go about including features that are widely available in other places (weblogging, message boards, wiki) and generating buy-in from customers. - I know some buzz words, but please see above.
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It really torcs me. this has got to be the lamest posting I've ever seen on slashdot.
Unintuitive at best. You're filling a job, not hiring a broad skillset. You have a particular need and a known set of job-seeker-attributes. Candidates who vastly overfill that set are likely to become bored and dissatisfied. Candidates who match your needs-set closely should be given a clue as to how you value that set. Saves everyone, from the seeker to the recruiter or HR to the hiring manager a lot of effort and wasted time if this most basic datapoint is established.
I'm very interested in how this relates to your actual needs in hiring. I have some experience in this. I was always aware of the salary range we'd offer. We most often did not put this in advertisments though. Bluntly, it was generally perceived that we might over-pay and it was (their) effort to minimize up-front costs.
I also had a build-it-yourself ZX-80 but I don't remember it being called the Micro Ace. I ordered mine direct from Sinclair. IIRC the instructions weren't A, maybe B or B+ quality. I didn't have any problems building it though. I gave it to a gf's kid about 5 years later. No idea what became of *that*;)
This was also my first credit account;) I applied at the Heathkit store, and the device was delivered about a week later. THEN I had to solder it all together. Piece of cake; all the several hundreds of parts were exactly there as indicated in the clear instruction book and the diagrams left nothing in question. A real masterpiece of user-friendly engineering.
The instruction manual was a home-study course in digital electronics and programming covering things like addressing LED numerals, binary arithmetic and so on. I got my first real job (electronics bench tech) after completing this and working with the components on the ET-3400 breadboard. This following on years of electronics hobbying, though.
I agree whole-heartedly with other posters' sentiments that today's PS/XBox/GC game console users are really missing out from the lack of user-programmability.
But then again, all you who only *programmed* your computers really should have had the experience of *building* them too!
looks like the file was created from Word on the MAC to me. When I run against one of my own PDFs created and managed solely on linux, the creator field says writer, the producer is OpenOffice. Doesn't seem to be any direct correlation to the platform, but then- why should there be?
I'd agree with value_added that it's likely a machine in use by secretarial staff.
>>This [Kama Sutra] cannot be directly compared to MyDoom or NetSky
The whole point to his statement was to highlight their difference and bring to the fore the idiocy of counting hits in the wild; which really doesn't provide any useful metric.
I do not see your comments as helping clarify this point. If that's what you believed you were doing or were attempting, health onya bud.
>> MyDoom and Netsky are continuing to have a far greater impact
This is relative. To the net admin, dealing with DoS is probably a much bigger problem than having this weeks reports erased from (temporary) storage on some local workstation. To the Sales Manager, losing a man-week of effort when the latest RFP proposal document gets wiped is probably of significant -possibly life-changing- concern.
Where hits is directly related to new infections it is of some validity. I doubt there's much corellation.
Informative ??!! OMFG. What were you people thinking? There's so much wrong with this it's hard to know where even to begin.
Prevalance of RAIN, not FLOODS.
The analogy wasn't meant to be taken literally. Kind of the point of analogies in general. Surely you got the point; That calling the others of more importance without reasoning for their potential effect is misleading, improper, brainless and just plain wrong?
parent should have come with a warning 'cause it's seriously caused me to bang my head against table.
>> The cost that we are paying is that the human spirit, the soul, the whole reason humans make music in the first place is lost. In other words: the music supply is poisoned.
I agree with you. Commercial and Pop music has long been known to emulsify the brain;)
A bar in my small town was hosting live bands. They were able to do this for a few months. I don't know exactly why they stopped as the manager's answer to my question was something along the lines of "never again". Could have been a bad experience with a band or two or could have been they didn't have enough draw to be economically viable (I'm guessing the latter as they were never really 'packed').
People expect a lot from live performances. All the lighting, all the effects, 'just like the record'. errr, CD...
I think the democratizing of music via indie bands available over the internet might serve to normalize the puplic's expectations and, perhaps, bring about a resurgence of live music.
Obviously, the record (err, CD) producers do not want that to happen. Not in a way they cannot control. I'm sure they recognize that it's the ONLY way "music" can survive as it gives rise to the new generation of musical expressionists and proponents. I suspect they'd rather the whole thing die than have it out of their control.
>> To use an analogy, look at the state of animal husbandry
One thing about this analogy though; if you imagine an infinite number of animals on the free range then the return per animal is more than enough to make up the difference. Digital distribution allows for infinite 'free-range animals'.
The genetics issue is interesting. While there's no chance that "Master of Puppets" can breed with "Hotel California", there is a lot of remixing/sampling going on. It would be a mistake to assume the RIAA has no clue to what it's fighting.
I think they've well acknowledged that opening music reduces it's 'uniqueness' on which the whole concept of Copyright is based. When this chord riff or that staccotic change is deemed 'in general use' then music based on it loses its raison d'etre.
Even, to return to your analogy, in the days of simple farming and open free-ranging, a particular bull which presented unique genetic traits would be protected from open breeding since it was a clear 'market edge' that the rancher should contain.
If true, personally I'd consider it of minimal real concern. I remember many rock bands of the 70's that re-used similar chord progressions and whatnot. But I surely could identify which band as it released new music - before the DJ told us who it was. And it was that 'personality' of the band that kept me returning (plus a dose of trust that they'd continue to talk about things I wanted to hear).
I could see how an exec might be given an analysis of exponential decrease of revenue based on marginalizing of their stables uniqueness though.
You mention blogs and RSS as alternatives (which don't address the core point about *email*, btw). So, have you ever tried to.forward RSS? Or do any kind of an index search on a blog?
You'd want to replace a bursty, short-windowed protocol with a recurring, high-overhead alternative? A remote alternative at that? God, the backbone carriers that are making so much noise about charging for traffic must love you....
-rsh
ps- spam, besides being characterized as unsolicited IMHO, includes all emails that contain a body full of external links... links that do no good when offline, and can take an age to load. Seems like the servers they point to *always* have limited bandwidth.
If you have a weak spot in the hull of your boat, are you going to take it out onto the ocean? I mean, you look, there's no evidence of any *actual* leak, so your safe. Right?!
sheeesh.
When you hear your system has a known vulnerability, you really should substitute the word 'aneurism' and ask yourself just how much pushing you really want to do...
>>most people don't care about computers for the same reason they don't care about anything else.
Ain't that the truth. ex. Some ppl I know asked me for help with MediaPipes, IIRC. Looking over the run regkey and whatnot, one thing led to another and a little conversation and I became aware they had Kazaa installed. So I mentioned "you know, pretty much all that downloaded music is pretty basically illegal". I didn't want to confuse the conversation at that point with mention of independant music, but I digress. So I'm told "well it's worked for a long time and we've been able to do it for awhile...".
So to the article submittor; I think your job is going to be quite harder than you realize. There are so many levels of education, context and curiousity.
As well, quite often it isn't that there isn't any book on a topic, but that there are so many books all coming from different angles that it gets hard to chose.
>>Why not just send up the thousands of criminals filling our penal system? Have them work the mines. We'll give them a ticket home when they've served off their sentance.
hmmm For me that might just work as an incentive to commit a crime so I could go!
so it's better if you can't use it for an hour while it recharges? Remember, your hand would cover the solar cells...
what if it used the mouse ball, or even button clicks, to charge it? or is it optical (no time to rtfa)? probably not if it's using a small battery. ok, the tracking ball as a charging system wins!
>>And you are tested on all of these things before you are granted a driver's license.
I liken it more to riding a bike than to driving a car. Yes there are laws governing a bike on the road but they're largely ignored both by riders, drivers and law enforcement (ymmv). Likewise, there are 'rules of the road' for computer use. Likewise they are largely ignored by users, suppliers and administrators ***. Training consists mostly of learn-by-doing. Skills improvement mostly static after initial success. Maintenance often relegated to 'I turn up the headphone volume so I don't hear that noise', until something breaks. Knowledge of design detail relegated to 'that gear doesn't work right so I just skip it'.
It seems to me reasonable to have cut Microsoft some slack with '95, but as of Windows ME they should have nailed down the training and design to produce reliable and safe 'appliances' as they marketed them. Win2k is a joke perpetrated on both home users and business users alike in that installations required writing to system areas that required admin account. Even with XP Microsoft did not get it right.
Yes, there would have been monetary cost to Microsoft and 'pain' to novice users, but to not have driven a conversion to safe computing is nothing less than willful neglect of the most serious kind.
Too much elitism exists in the debate. Don't you think that Joe User would *agree* to run as user-mode if given the basic facts that it prevents most exploits (and an OS that allows Application installation of -not software, which is mostly trojan, but Applications- the software the user has decided s/he wants) and that it protects private data in their own protected home?
Do we need a licensing beauracracy to enforce that? I don't think so. And I don't think an IT degree is needed on the part of users. User mode, out/inbound firewalling, more carefull system lib programming... that would swat 90% of the issues. Possibly even achieve the computer-as-appliance goal that we all share (admitted or not).
-rsh
*** - users; when was the last time you sent an attachment to a group of people who might not know you, say an internal corporate email alias. suppliers; Windows. administrators; users allowed to run as god
I'm damned tired of seeing this posted and reposted. Whenever Card is discussed in any context, it gets posted. No matter that we're talking about a movie. About a book. A book that a LOT of people would like to be made into said movie.
GP- Leave Card's political and personal views the hell out of it. jeeeesh.
>>The important thing with the combat simulator is that (a) we should think, along with Ender, that it is a sim and that the final battle is the result of Mazer being grossly unfair,
EG is about betrayal. Betrayal of innocense, of love (family) and our very humanity (genocide). Peter MUST be kept as the foil to Ender. The kids' nakedness is crucial to their innocense and exposure and would just not be rational in ages over 10 or so. The betrayal of Ender's trust is a shocking revelation at the conclusion of the final battle and its genocide. The first read of the book, come on - admit it, this surprised most of us.
It will be far harder to impress those of us who know the outcome than the unknowing masses. Probably the hardest thing of all in adapting EG to the screen.
As an acid test this makes sense to me too. The implication seems to be, then, a multi-tiered protection/disclosure model that merges Copyright and Patent law.
The guy who sweats over getting a small mechanical device to work better/faster/cheaper that is easily copied should enjoy some protection from the fruits of his labor. Otherwise, some mechanical feature of it that is useful, oh say in National Defense and Automobile Safety, would become the defacto property -by non-disclosure- of a defense contractor and not benefit us car users and orange users.
>>this is so DRMed funny I nearly HDCP'd myself!. LOL
No, I don't have a license for HDCP implementation. I tried to download one but then my computer started talking japanese and asking me to insert memory card and controller in port for mod:GTA_II. I dunno.
I was able to bring SCMS online in time to prevent p'ing anyway so all is good.;)
Those non-tech types who *do* hear about this will see the confusing stories, contradictory information, misleading statements and I think they'll just chalk it up to "those hackers copying music deserve what they get". Sadly, I don't think even a small portion will realize that this affects them in any way. They will probably conclude that the entire hoopla could have been prevented by STRONGER DRM, not lesser.:(
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Looks to me like you're just looking for a shortcut to profit. Ask /. , whip up some kind of ASP.NET website, tell boss it's handled.
I'd probably diss you further but you provide so *little* information... Still, I'll attempt a translation.
==========
I'm involved with a project
- I got saddled with a task nobody else will take 'cause they're WAY more competent.
that is looking to develop an online community for technology oriented business customers.
- we want to sell sell sell sell sell sell sell sell sell
Although there are various communities on the web,
- I know the web is a big place. a scarey place. I'm too (1) dumb to find what I need (2) lazy to find what I need (3) stupid (lazy and dumb) to find what I need
there is no centralized source of information for the customers.
- see above (you mean "our customers", right?!)
If you could develop an online community to encourage collaboration and information sharing, what features would you want included? How would you go about including features that are widely available in other places (weblogging, message boards, wiki) and generating buy-in from customers.
- I know some buzz words, but please see above.
============
It really torcs me. this has got to be the lamest posting I've ever seen on slashdot.
but the real question is, will it run cygwin :>/
Unintuitive at best. You're filling a job, not hiring a broad skillset. You have a particular need and a known set of job-seeker-attributes. Candidates who vastly overfill that set are likely to become bored and dissatisfied. Candidates who match your needs-set closely should be given a clue as to how you value that set. Saves everyone, from the seeker to the recruiter or HR to the hiring manager a lot of effort and wasted time if this most basic datapoint is established.
I'm very interested in how this relates to your actual needs in hiring. I have some experience in this. I was always aware of the salary range we'd offer. We most often did not put this in advertisments though. Bluntly, it was generally perceived that we might over-pay and it was (their) effort to minimize up-front costs.
lol. Thanks. It'd been awhile since I'd thought of that one.
>>...Unofficially, I advise that we erase the records and forget the whole thing...
How inimatabley poignant. "Absolute power..." no matter what the container, still corrupts.
>>the "meat" is doing the thinking
not bloody-well likely....
I also had a build-it-yourself ZX-80 but I don't remember it being called the Micro Ace. I ordered mine direct from Sinclair. IIRC the instructions weren't A, maybe B or B+ quality. I didn't have any problems building it though. I gave it to a gf's kid about 5 years later. No idea what became of *that* ;)
My first computer was the Heathkit ET-3400 which had a hexadecimal keypad and 4K of memory (http://www.vintage-computer.com/heathkit3400.shtm l)
;) I applied at the Heathkit store, and the device was delivered about a week later. THEN I had to solder it all together. Piece of cake; all the several hundreds of parts were exactly there as indicated in the clear instruction book and the diagrams left nothing in question. A real masterpiece of user-friendly engineering.
This was also my first credit account
The instruction manual was a home-study course in digital electronics and programming covering things like addressing LED numerals, binary arithmetic and so on. I got my first real job (electronics bench tech) after completing this and working with the components on the ET-3400 breadboard. This following on years of electronics hobbying, though.
I agree whole-heartedly with other posters' sentiments that today's PS/XBox/GC game console users are really missing out from the lack of user-programmability.
But then again, all you who only *programmed* your computers really should have had the experience of *building* them too!
looks like the file was created from Word on the MAC to me. When I run against one of my own PDFs created and managed solely on linux, the creator field says writer, the producer is OpenOffice. Doesn't seem to be any direct correlation to the platform, but then- why should there be?
I'd agree with value_added that it's likely a machine in use by secretarial staff.
Can anyone from OSDL comment?
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>>This [Kama Sutra] cannot be directly compared to MyDoom or NetSky
The whole point to his statement was to highlight their difference and bring to the fore the idiocy of counting hits in the wild; which really doesn't provide any useful metric.
I do not see your comments as helping clarify this point. If that's what you believed you were doing or were attempting, health onya bud.
>> MyDoom and Netsky are continuing to have a far greater impact
This is relative. To the net admin, dealing with DoS is probably a much bigger problem than having this weeks reports erased from (temporary) storage on some local workstation. To the Sales Manager, losing a man-week of effort when the latest RFP proposal document gets wiped is probably of significant -possibly life-changing- concern.
Where hits is directly related to new infections it is of some validity. I doubt there's much corellation.
Informative ??!! OMFG. What were you people thinking? There's so much wrong with this it's hard to know where even to begin.
Prevalance of RAIN, not FLOODS.
The analogy wasn't meant to be taken literally. Kind of the point of analogies in general. Surely you got the point; That calling the others of more importance without reasoning for their potential effect is misleading, improper, brainless and just plain wrong?
parent should have come with a warning 'cause it's seriously caused me to bang my head against table.
>> more corrupt than others
Wouldn't that be like being "more pregnant" ?
Corrupt is Corrupt.
>> The cost that we are paying is that the human spirit, the soul, the whole reason humans make music in the first place is lost. In other words: the music supply is poisoned.
;)
I agree with you. Commercial and Pop music has long been known to emulsify the brain
A bar in my small town was hosting live bands. They were able to do this for a few months. I don't know exactly why they stopped as the manager's answer to my question was something along the lines of "never again". Could have been a bad experience with a band or two or could have been they didn't have enough draw to be economically viable (I'm guessing the latter as they were never really 'packed').
People expect a lot from live performances. All the lighting, all the effects, 'just like the record'. errr, CD...
I think the democratizing of music via indie bands available over the internet might serve to normalize the puplic's expectations and, perhaps, bring about a resurgence of live music.
Obviously, the record (err, CD) producers do not want that to happen. Not in a way they cannot control. I'm sure they recognize that it's the ONLY way "music" can survive as it gives rise to the new generation of musical expressionists and proponents. I suspect they'd rather the whole thing die than have it out of their control.
>> To use an analogy, look at the state of animal husbandry
One thing about this analogy though; if you imagine an infinite number of animals on the free range then the return per animal is more than enough to make up the difference. Digital distribution allows for infinite 'free-range animals'.
The genetics issue is interesting. While there's no chance that "Master of Puppets" can breed with "Hotel California", there is a lot of remixing/sampling going on. It would be a mistake to assume the RIAA has no clue to what it's fighting.
I think they've well acknowledged that opening music reduces it's 'uniqueness' on which the whole concept of Copyright is based. When this chord riff or that staccotic change is deemed 'in general use' then music based on it loses its raison d'etre.
Even, to return to your analogy, in the days of simple farming and open free-ranging, a particular bull which presented unique genetic traits would be protected from open breeding since it was a clear 'market edge' that the rancher should contain.
If true, personally I'd consider it of minimal real concern. I remember many rock bands of the 70's that re-used similar chord progressions and whatnot. But I surely could identify which band as it released new music - before the DJ told us who it was. And it was that 'personality' of the band that kept me returning (plus a dose of trust that they'd continue to talk about things I wanted to hear).
I could see how an exec might be given an analysis of exponential decrease of revenue based on marginalizing of their stables uniqueness though.
>> becomes mainstream and consumers and voters react strongly
you're, like, some kind of an optimist then....
You mention blogs and RSS as alternatives (which don't address the core point about *email*, btw). So, have you ever tried to .forward RSS? Or do any kind of an index search on a blog?
You'd want to replace a bursty, short-windowed protocol with a recurring, high-overhead alternative? A remote alternative at that? God, the backbone carriers that are making so much noise about charging for traffic must love you....
-rsh
ps- spam, besides being characterized as unsolicited IMHO, includes all emails that contain a body full of external links... links that do no good when offline, and can take an age to load. Seems like the servers they point to *always* have limited bandwidth.
If you have a weak spot in the hull of your boat, are you going to take it out onto the ocean? I mean, you look, there's no evidence of any *actual* leak, so your safe. Right?!
sheeesh.
When you hear your system has a known vulnerability, you really should substitute the word 'aneurism' and ask yourself just how much pushing you really want to do...
>>most people don't care about computers for the same reason they don't care about anything else.
Ain't that the truth. ex. Some ppl I know asked me for help with MediaPipes, IIRC. Looking over the run regkey and whatnot, one thing led to another and a little conversation and I became aware they had Kazaa installed. So I mentioned "you know, pretty much all that downloaded music is pretty basically illegal". I didn't want to confuse the conversation at that point with mention of independant music, but I digress. So I'm told "well it's worked for a long time and we've been able to do it for awhile...".
So to the article submittor; I think your job is going to be quite harder than you realize. There are so many levels of education, context and curiousity.
As well, quite often it isn't that there isn't any book on a topic, but that there are so many books all coming from different angles that it gets hard to chose.
But good luck, anyway.
>>Why not just send up the thousands of criminals filling our penal system? Have them work the mines. We'll give them a ticket home when they've served off their sentance.
hmmm For me that might just work as an incentive to commit a crime so I could go!
so it's better if you can't use it for an hour while it recharges? Remember, your hand would cover the solar cells...
what if it used the mouse ball, or even button clicks, to charge it? or is it optical (no time to rtfa)? probably not if it's using a small battery. ok, the tracking ball as a charging system wins!
>>And you are tested on all of these things before you are granted a driver's license.
I liken it more to riding a bike than to driving a car. Yes there are laws governing a bike on the road but they're largely ignored both by riders, drivers and law enforcement (ymmv). Likewise, there are 'rules of the road' for computer use. Likewise they are largely ignored by users, suppliers and administrators ***. Training consists mostly of learn-by-doing. Skills improvement mostly static after initial success. Maintenance often relegated to 'I turn up the headphone volume so I don't hear that noise', until something breaks. Knowledge of design detail relegated to 'that gear doesn't work right so I just skip it'.
It seems to me reasonable to have cut Microsoft some slack with '95, but as of Windows ME they should have nailed down the training and design to produce reliable and safe 'appliances' as they marketed them. Win2k is a joke perpetrated on both home users and business users alike in that installations required writing to system areas that required admin account. Even with XP Microsoft did not get it right.
Yes, there would have been monetary cost to Microsoft and 'pain' to novice users, but to not have driven a conversion to safe computing is nothing less than willful neglect of the most serious kind.
Too much elitism exists in the debate. Don't you think that Joe User would *agree* to run as user-mode if given the basic facts that it prevents most exploits (and an OS that allows Application installation of -not software, which is mostly trojan, but Applications- the software the user has decided s/he wants) and that it protects private data in their own protected home?
Do we need a licensing beauracracy to enforce that? I don't think so. And I don't think an IT degree is needed on the part of users. User mode, out/inbound firewalling, more carefull system lib programming... that would swat 90% of the issues. Possibly even achieve the computer-as-appliance goal that we all share (admitted or not).
-rsh
*** - users; when was the last time you sent an attachment to a group of people who might not know you, say an internal corporate email alias. suppliers; Windows. administrators; users allowed to run as god
thanks.
I'm damned tired of seeing this posted and reposted. Whenever Card is discussed in any context, it gets posted. No matter that we're talking about a movie. About a book. A book that a LOT of people would like to be made into said movie.
GP- Leave Card's political and personal views the hell out of it. jeeeesh.
>>The important thing with the combat simulator is that (a) we should think, along with Ender, that it is a sim and that the final battle is the result of Mazer being grossly unfair,
EG is about betrayal. Betrayal of innocense, of love (family) and our very humanity (genocide). Peter MUST be kept as the foil to Ender. The kids' nakedness is crucial to their innocense and exposure and would just not be rational in ages over 10 or so. The betrayal of Ender's trust is a shocking revelation at the conclusion of the final battle and its genocide. The first read of the book, come on - admit it, this surprised most of us.
It will be far harder to impress those of us who know the outcome than the unknowing masses. Probably the hardest thing of all in adapting EG to the screen.
As an acid test this makes sense to me too. The implication seems to be, then, a multi-tiered protection/disclosure model that merges Copyright and Patent law.
The guy who sweats over getting a small mechanical device to work better/faster/cheaper that is easily copied should enjoy some protection from the fruits of his labor. Otherwise, some mechanical feature of it that is useful, oh say in National Defense and Automobile Safety, would become the defacto property -by non-disclosure- of a defense contractor and not benefit us car users and orange users.
That's a problem....
>>this is so DRMed funny I nearly HDCP'd myself!.
;)
LOL
No, I don't have a license for HDCP implementation. I tried to download one but then my computer started talking japanese and asking me to insert memory card and controller in port for mod:GTA_II. I dunno.
I was able to bring SCMS online in time to prevent p'ing anyway so all is good.
Those non-tech types who *do* hear about this will see the confusing stories, contradictory information, misleading statements and I think they'll just chalk it up to "those hackers copying music deserve what they get". Sadly, I don't think even a small portion will realize that this affects them in any way. They will probably conclude that the entire hoopla could have been prevented by STRONGER DRM, not lesser. :(