True UNIX and Linux admins don't (and won't) fit into most company IT budgets.
Even the fake ones will generally not fit into more and more company budgets. Smaller companies (which we're constantly being told are the majority of companies out there) can't even afford a $25k/year salary for someone that has no skill set other than fixing computers, because generally, once you've got a computer working right, and good habits instilled in your users, computers (even Windows) are going to be stable. Yeah, it's pretty much guaranteed, no matter what OS you run, that something is going to come along and cause problems. Wierd things happen, hardware breaks, even the best trained users make mistakes. However, paying someone full time wages to sit on their hands and wait for that to occur just isn't in the cards, and they go find a local "computer guy" to pay to worry about it.
And that price range goes too far on the low end for the small business computer consultant. I don't know anyone not flat out desperate to get clients (because they're either bad, or they're new in an area) that can survive charging as little as $75/hour as their standard rate, not with gas prices as they were at even $3/gallon (since gas prices are our major expense, they generally don't have any remote access facility until I set one up, and even then it's not a panacea). That's my minimum possible rate for established clients that pay for time in advance, and that's going up Real Soon Now(tm). Maybe someone who can work over the network fixing server configs, or who generally works in bigger blocks of time can afford to charge that (which is the reason we charge our established clients that, we're often there for entire days at a time), but I can't, and this is an extremely bare bones operation as far as expenses go.
My brother works for a formerly huge eBay seller that's generally tried to get people pointed toward their own website rather than the eBay store. Apparently PayPal out of the blue has decreed that they're "keeping 20% of their sales for six months", which I assume means they'll only be able to withdraw 20% of any payment until six months after the payment happens. If this stands, it's pretty much going to drive them bankrupt (how many businesses do you know that have a 20% profit margin on every transaction? None that I personally deal with...). They take Google Checkout on their website, but they're all but forced to accept PayPal because it's so ubiquitous they lose a ton of sales if they don't offer it. On top of that sellers can now no longer leave negative feedback about buyers, but buyers can say/do whatever they want, and only if you're "very abusive" will eBay do anything about it.
I just finished selling some stuff via eBay/PayPal, but never again. Maybe if the US regulatory authorities wake the fuck up and treat PayPal like the bank it is, I'd consider it.
Just because Microsoft-employed people don't consider the open source developers as being rewarded fairly, doesn't mean those developers don't consider themselves rewarded fairly. In my humble opinion, no one takes any action (including posting on slashdot) without at least the hope for some kind of return on their investment. You eat because you'd rather not die of starvation, you don't eat because you want/need to lose weight. The Golden Rule is a compensation structure for social actions. Getting money is an important and powerful reward on the scale for just about everyone, but it isn't the overriding one for everyone.
That doesn't mean the demand for money for effort isn't valid. Personally, I find no morally superior position in using open source software, or in the open source community. I use it for purely financial reasons (it costs me nothing, I won't be sued for using it). I don't care whether the developers got paid for it, because they made their own choices when they did their work on it. If they didn't feel they were being compensated fairly they shouldn't have contributed. If they expected that people would contribute just because they did and no one else did, they have only themselves to blame.
...I'll try it out, but ever since I got my MS Natural Touch, any other keyboard makes my hands hurt after 10 minutes of typing. Buying that keyboard alone relieved the bulk of RSI pain I had typing. That and some hand exercises I worked out from looking at devices that were supposed to help people with carpal tunnel have probably saved my hands.
I hate MS as much as the next guy, but I have several Natural Touch keyboards waiting for when this one breaks. Probably the greatest thing MS has ever done.
I got sick of them a long, long time ago. The game that did in preorders forever for me was Master of Orion 3, biggest gaming waste of money ever, and I keep it around as an object lesson. As a result, I don't buy games near release anymore. There are a few exceptions, but very few. (The World Ends With You is the first game I bought day of release since FF12, but even in those cases there were a substantial number of reviews of the Japanese versions that had been released months before)
Metacritic isn't a panacea, though. They seem to cast their net wider and wider with each passing day (I halfway expect that individual GameFAQs reader reviews are going to get factored in soon enough) and because their final score is an average, you can sometimes get wildly divergent and biased views skewing the score past the point of useful representation. Lots and lots of reviewers that shouldn't be reviewing the game ("I've hated every strategy RPG ever made, so let me give you my review this new strategy RPG") or have other biases and issues. (a prime example, look up Sudeki, the top review is a perfect 10 by Maxim magazine...always my first choice for solid video game advice. I'm still not sure whether it got that score because they saw skimpily clad female characters and flipped out, or they actually got paid off by Microsoft)
If your software development budget is being slashed, it would make sense to take advantage of the large pool of work being done at no cost to you. There are costs associated with customizing for your particular needs, but compared to an actual development infrastructure, it's minimal.
Depending on the business, it adds more weight to the money-saving aspects of open source alternatives, but it's not a "slam dunk" reason to switch wholesale. I work with a lot of small businesses, and I'm set to push harder on Linux-based file servers as a low cost option for when their old servers need to be replaced. OpenOffice.org finally getting an Aqua port allows me to start pushing it as an Office alternative for a lot of the Mac people I deal with who are sick and tired of the bugginess in Mac Office. I'm developing some infrastructure in the office with open source software on old machines running Linux for remote monitoring and control of client networks so I save gas money, and my clients don't pay for travel time as often, problems get noticed earlier and fixed faster, and everyone's happier. (not technically saving me money over a closed source alternative, but I likely couldn't afford to implement the closed source alternatives that are out there)
Every single person in the country will be easily proven to be a criminal. If this gets passed by the Senate, the American Experiment is over and proven a total failure.
Most of the unabashed game pirates I know personally have the money to pay for the stuff they download, they just don't want to, and find a cheap thrill in the illicit nature of what they're doing. The only one that actually can't afford it couldn't really afford anything at all when he was doing it. Seriously dirt poor and because of various circumstances couldn't get a job for awhile. It basically filled up his time.
I stopped downloading PC games years ago because:
1. it was just way too much of a hassle to deal with a download 2. It was a lot less of a hassle to just wait awhile to find the games I wanted in the bargain bin or used. 3. A growing awareness of the insanity of trusting the software to just be cracked, and not have all kinds of nasty crap put into it.
Suddenly getting more money (which didn't happen) you'll note wasn't anywhere on the list. Unfortunately, each year game publishers are putting more and more of their own brand of nasty crap in games, to the point where I've stopped buying PC games entirely, with a few well researched exceptions. Console games present all kinds of advantages these days, even if TPM becomes omnipresent in consoles (though currently, there's likely no way I'd be playing anything on a theoretical TPM-enabled console until I get my letter from AARP, there are just too many things worth playing that exist right now that I haven't)
I would recommend that you only rent Graveyard of the Fireflies. I, and everyone I know whose seen it haven't been able to get the stomach up to watch it more than once. Something you should see, but very, very hard to watch.
FWIW, I believe registration is already effectively required if you intend on seeking monetary damages in a lawsuit over infringement. Not totally sure, but everything I've read on the subject of (US) copyright law suggests that you register everything if you want to sue over it.
If you claim I do not have a right to my birthright, I consider that justification to kill you and take it by force.
Empty words by a pathetically angry and cowardly person that feels the world owes him something. You're not going to act on any of this, ever, because you're terrified of the consequences of following this philosophy through, ie, you'd be jailed or killed. The only birthright you have in this world is death, at some point. That's all you were given at birth, the right to die, same as me and every other living thing. If you want to create your own imaginary "birthright" to something other than that (which is on the face of it just as ludicrous as a "copyright") that's all well and good, but be prepared for the rest of humanity to enforce their own imaginary rights on you if you try and enforce yours on them.
There's no way Autodesk is going to let this ruling stand unappealed, and if the appeals court rules against them again, there will be a cavalcade of software companies prepared to flood the Supreme Court with amicus briefs on their behalf.
According to one of the Financial Times reporters on the story, interviewed on my local NPR station, the rating was unchanged AFTER Moody's supposedly found and corrected the error, because they "changed their methodology" between the original flawed rating, and the discovery of the flaw.
This guy didn't sound especially convinced, and no one's mentioned any kind of due diligence requirement on the rating agency to actually make sure that their ratings are correct. Apparently whatever gets spit out of the formula is accepted as official, and in this case, they had a lot of incentive to fail to get around to any due dilligence.
Uh, how is this relevant? I'm as much of a Wii believer as anyone, and it's the only next-gen console I currently own, but that just has nothing to do with anything.
The issue of the camera cuts across systems and video game genres (though some are more dependent than others). I would think that the sequel to one of the most highly praised, skill intensive, and popular console games ever having major camera problems wouldn't exactly lead directly to "THE WII IS AWESOME, SCREW THE XBOX!!!" Nintendo has its own serious camera problems in flagship games (Mario Sunshine? Mario Galaxy? As much as I love the hell out of you both, I'm talking about you) as does Sony.
1. Molyneux hypes the hell out of $game_X 2. Delivered product turns out to be nothing like the hype. 3. Expansion released to attempt to mollify angry fans. 4. Pick up $game_X plus expansion for 1/5th-1/10th of its original retail value a couple years later, and at that price it turns out to be not that bad at all.
As Renesys points out, the volume of traffic to a root server is staggering, so the people running these bogus root servers must have had a reason. What did they get out of it?
A few reasons spring immediately to mind.
1. Preliminary move with the intent of actual subversion of results at a later date. This gives you an idea of what the traffic looks like, the volume you're going to have to manage, and the technical requirements of managing the subversion on top of recording important information about the systems you just subverted for later exploitation, plus any statistical information you need/want to improve your subversion process.
2. Preliminary move by a government, corporate entity, or some grouping with the intent of either wresting control of some portion of the DNS infrastructure from ICANN, or setting up a country-specific DNS infrastructure that is legally mandated. Again, you get valuable information about the kind of stuff you need to be dealing with, depending on exactly what you have in mind.
3. Same as above, but more of an idealistic style intervention, fearing malicious intent from the US government which still controls the DNS system, and trying to prepare for a time when an ICANN-free DNS system may need to be put in place.
Depending on where this stuff is actually going (and if it's the actual owner of the IP space that is doing this) of course...
And don't even get me started on the continued use of the terminal for/any/ normal user operations.
Well, it really depends on what you mean by "Normal User Operations" now doesn't it?
At least in Ubuntu, you don't need the terminal for any of what I would consider as normal user operations at all. In fact, the reason I was forced to give up using Ubuntu and move back to Slackware was that it was so much of a pain in the rear to do things outside the GUI installer/system maintentance/config tools that I couldn't do the kinds of things I was used to. (Specifically, dealing with package management and compiling software that didn't have packages and needed different versions of libraries, without totally screwing one or the other up became too much of a headache) As a matter of fact, now that I think about it, I could probably do more without a command line on my Linux machine than with my MacOS X laptop on a stock install, since the Finder can't browse the BSD subsystem, and both GNOME and KDE default filsystem can, allowing me to use a GUI text editor to edit system files for configuration changes that I'm forced to use Terminal for on MacOS X.
My girlfriend is, lets put it bluntly, a fat girl. I personally could stand to lose weight, but I'm not that out of whack (I don't know how much I weigh actually, don't own a scale, but I can pinch an inch, and my chin could be less round). When I visit her and we live on her diet, she eats significantly less than me (I often finish up her meal when we eat out if a take-home bag isn't in the cards), we walk everywhere or take the bus and I'm the one that's winded. However, every time I fly back people consistently mention that I seem to have lost weight.
She spends half of what I do in food, cooks her own food most of the time, gets fast food only once a week. Doesn't own a car, isn't interested in owning a car, or living in a place where a car is required. There's no way in hell that she's got a bigger carbon footprint, or causing higher food prices. I wouldn't go so far as to say that all weight-related health "science" is actually junk science, but it's obvious that there is a whole shit ton of stuff they don't understand, and they're using a hammer for every job because it's the only tool they have.
Will this affect anything I do if I am eventually given an option to install this kernel version? (Or am presented with a distro that has this kernel as the default?)
I know (or think I know) low latency is important for audio work, and I know people who do a lot of audio work under Linux, should I be giving them aheads up to avoid upgrading their kernel until this gets fixed, or should I start looking for unofficial, special low latency versions of the kernel to recommend to them?
And I bet you burn a HECK of a lot more fuel (dollar per passenger) between Boston and NY by flying, than by train.
Yeah, and as I said, those routes on the East Coast are much more affordable, get where they're going at a reasonable time, and are packed daily from DC to Boston. If I was travelling anywhere around there (even as far as Chicago probably) I would most likely be going by train, but crossing the Continental divide jacks the price and the time up way higher than air travel. When the air travel costs get too high, I'll gladly take the excuse, but they've got quite a ways to go before they get higher than trains at this point in time.
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Even the fake ones will generally not fit into more and more company budgets. Smaller companies (which we're constantly being told are the majority of companies out there) can't even afford a $25k/year salary for someone that has no skill set other than fixing computers, because generally, once you've got a computer working right, and good habits instilled in your users, computers (even Windows) are going to be stable. Yeah, it's pretty much guaranteed, no matter what OS you run, that something is going to come along and cause problems. Wierd things happen, hardware breaks, even the best trained users make mistakes. However, paying someone full time wages to sit on their hands and wait for that to occur just isn't in the cards, and they go find a local "computer guy" to pay to worry about it.
And that price range goes too far on the low end for the small business computer consultant. I don't know anyone not flat out desperate to get clients (because they're either bad, or they're new in an area) that can survive charging as little as $75/hour as their standard rate, not with gas prices as they were at even $3/gallon (since gas prices are our major expense, they generally don't have any remote access facility until I set one up, and even then it's not a panacea). That's my minimum possible rate for established clients that pay for time in advance, and that's going up Real Soon Now(tm). Maybe someone who can work over the network fixing server configs, or who generally works in bigger blocks of time can afford to charge that (which is the reason we charge our established clients that, we're often there for entire days at a time), but I can't, and this is an extremely bare bones operation as far as expenses go.
Aside from medical records and IRS records, I wasn't aware that we actually had any personal information protection laws.
My brother works for a formerly huge eBay seller that's generally tried to get people pointed toward their own website rather than the eBay store. Apparently PayPal out of the blue has decreed that they're "keeping 20% of their sales for six months", which I assume means they'll only be able to withdraw 20% of any payment until six months after the payment happens. If this stands, it's pretty much going to drive them bankrupt (how many businesses do you know that have a 20% profit margin on every transaction? None that I personally deal with...). They take Google Checkout on their website, but they're all but forced to accept PayPal because it's so ubiquitous they lose a ton of sales if they don't offer it. On top of that sellers can now no longer leave negative feedback about buyers, but buyers can say/do whatever they want, and only if you're "very abusive" will eBay do anything about it.
I just finished selling some stuff via eBay/PayPal, but never again. Maybe if the US regulatory authorities wake the fuck up and treat PayPal like the bank it is, I'd consider it.
Every single one of them.
Gods save us from engineers that think they're perfect.
Just because Microsoft-employed people don't consider the open source developers as being rewarded fairly, doesn't mean those developers don't consider themselves rewarded fairly. In my humble opinion, no one takes any action (including posting on slashdot) without at least the hope for some kind of return on their investment. You eat because you'd rather not die of starvation, you don't eat because you want/need to lose weight. The Golden Rule is a compensation structure for social actions. Getting money is an important and powerful reward on the scale for just about everyone, but it isn't the overriding one for everyone.
That doesn't mean the demand for money for effort isn't valid. Personally, I find no morally superior position in using open source software, or in the open source community. I use it for purely financial reasons (it costs me nothing, I won't be sued for using it). I don't care whether the developers got paid for it, because they made their own choices when they did their work on it. If they didn't feel they were being compensated fairly they shouldn't have contributed. If they expected that people would contribute just because they did and no one else did, they have only themselves to blame.
...I'll try it out, but ever since I got my MS Natural Touch, any other keyboard makes my hands hurt after 10 minutes of typing. Buying that keyboard alone relieved the bulk of RSI pain I had typing. That and some hand exercises I worked out from looking at devices that were supposed to help people with carpal tunnel have probably saved my hands.
I hate MS as much as the next guy, but I have several Natural Touch keyboards waiting for when this one breaks. Probably the greatest thing MS has ever done.
I got sick of them a long, long time ago. The game that did in preorders forever for me was Master of Orion 3, biggest gaming waste of money ever, and I keep it around as an object lesson. As a result, I don't buy games near release anymore. There are a few exceptions, but very few. (The World Ends With You is the first game I bought day of release since FF12, but even in those cases there were a substantial number of reviews of the Japanese versions that had been released months before)
Metacritic isn't a panacea, though. They seem to cast their net wider and wider with each passing day (I halfway expect that individual GameFAQs reader reviews are going to get factored in soon enough) and because their final score is an average, you can sometimes get wildly divergent and biased views skewing the score past the point of useful representation. Lots and lots of reviewers that shouldn't be reviewing the game ("I've hated every strategy RPG ever made, so let me give you my review this new strategy RPG") or have other biases and issues. (a prime example, look up Sudeki, the top review is a perfect 10 by Maxim magazine...always my first choice for solid video game advice. I'm still not sure whether it got that score because they saw skimpily clad female characters and flipped out, or they actually got paid off by Microsoft)
A power strip with a switch does the job just as well as a switch on a socket. In fact, that's what I thought he meant until I read your post.
I've got one word for you: Zune
If your software development budget is being slashed, it would make sense to take advantage of the large pool of work being done at no cost to you. There are costs associated with customizing for your particular needs, but compared to an actual development infrastructure, it's minimal.
Depending on the business, it adds more weight to the money-saving aspects of open source alternatives, but it's not a "slam dunk" reason to switch wholesale. I work with a lot of small businesses, and I'm set to push harder on Linux-based file servers as a low cost option for when their old servers need to be replaced. OpenOffice.org finally getting an Aqua port allows me to start pushing it as an Office alternative for a lot of the Mac people I deal with who are sick and tired of the bugginess in Mac Office. I'm developing some infrastructure in the office with open source software on old machines running Linux for remote monitoring and control of client networks so I save gas money, and my clients don't pay for travel time as often, problems get noticed earlier and fixed faster, and everyone's happier. (not technically saving me money over a closed source alternative, but I likely couldn't afford to implement the closed source alternatives that are out there)
Every single person in the country will be easily proven to be a criminal. If this gets passed by the Senate, the American Experiment is over and proven a total failure.
Most of the unabashed game pirates I know personally have the money to pay for the stuff they download, they just don't want to, and find a cheap thrill in the illicit nature of what they're doing. The only one that actually can't afford it couldn't really afford anything at all when he was doing it. Seriously dirt poor and because of various circumstances couldn't get a job for awhile. It basically filled up his time.
I stopped downloading PC games years ago because:
1. it was just way too much of a hassle to deal with a download
2. It was a lot less of a hassle to just wait awhile to find the games I wanted in the bargain bin or used.
3. A growing awareness of the insanity of trusting the software to just be cracked, and not have all kinds of nasty crap put into it.
Suddenly getting more money (which didn't happen) you'll note wasn't anywhere on the list. Unfortunately, each year game publishers are putting more and more of their own brand of nasty crap in games, to the point where I've stopped buying PC games entirely, with a few well researched exceptions. Console games present all kinds of advantages these days, even if TPM becomes omnipresent in consoles (though currently, there's likely no way I'd be playing anything on a theoretical TPM-enabled console until I get my letter from AARP, there are just too many things worth playing that exist right now that I haven't)
I would recommend that you only rent Graveyard of the Fireflies. I, and everyone I know whose seen it haven't been able to get the stomach up to watch it more than once. Something you should see, but very, very hard to watch.
FWIW, I believe registration is already effectively required if you intend on seeking monetary damages in a lawsuit over infringement. Not totally sure, but everything I've read on the subject of (US) copyright law suggests that you register everything if you want to sue over it.
Empty words by a pathetically angry and cowardly person that feels the world owes him something. You're not going to act on any of this, ever, because you're terrified of the consequences of following this philosophy through, ie, you'd be jailed or killed. The only birthright you have in this world is death, at some point. That's all you were given at birth, the right to die, same as me and every other living thing. If you want to create your own imaginary "birthright" to something other than that (which is on the face of it just as ludicrous as a "copyright") that's all well and good, but be prepared for the rest of humanity to enforce their own imaginary rights on you if you try and enforce yours on them.
There's no way Autodesk is going to let this ruling stand unappealed, and if the appeals court rules against them again, there will be a cavalcade of software companies prepared to flood the Supreme Court with amicus briefs on their behalf.
According to one of the Financial Times reporters on the story, interviewed on my local NPR station, the rating was unchanged AFTER Moody's supposedly found and corrected the error, because they "changed their methodology" between the original flawed rating, and the discovery of the flaw.
This guy didn't sound especially convinced, and no one's mentioned any kind of due diligence requirement on the rating agency to actually make sure that their ratings are correct. Apparently whatever gets spit out of the formula is accepted as official, and in this case, they had a lot of incentive to fail to get around to any due dilligence.
Uh, how is this relevant? I'm as much of a Wii believer as anyone, and it's the only next-gen console I currently own, but that just has nothing to do with anything.
The issue of the camera cuts across systems and video game genres (though some are more dependent than others). I would think that the sequel to one of the most highly praised, skill intensive, and popular console games ever having major camera problems wouldn't exactly lead directly to "THE WII IS AWESOME, SCREW THE XBOX!!!" Nintendo has its own serious camera problems in flagship games (Mario Sunshine? Mario Galaxy? As much as I love the hell out of you both, I'm talking about you) as does Sony.
1. Molyneux hypes the hell out of $game_X
2. Delivered product turns out to be nothing like the hype.
3. Expansion released to attempt to mollify angry fans.
4. Pick up $game_X plus expansion for 1/5th-1/10th of its original retail value a couple years later, and at that price it turns out to be not that bad at all.
Soylent Green is made from Linux!!!
A few reasons spring immediately to mind.
1. Preliminary move with the intent of actual subversion of results at a later date. This gives you an idea of what the traffic looks like, the volume you're going to have to manage, and the technical requirements of managing the subversion on top of recording important information about the systems you just subverted for later exploitation, plus any statistical information you need/want to improve your subversion process.
2. Preliminary move by a government, corporate entity, or some grouping with the intent of either wresting control of some portion of the DNS infrastructure from ICANN, or setting up a country-specific DNS infrastructure that is legally mandated. Again, you get valuable information about the kind of stuff you need to be dealing with, depending on exactly what you have in mind.
3. Same as above, but more of an idealistic style intervention, fearing malicious intent from the US government which still controls the DNS system, and trying to prepare for a time when an ICANN-free DNS system may need to be put in place.
Depending on where this stuff is actually going (and if it's the actual owner of the IP space that is doing this) of course...
Well, it really depends on what you mean by "Normal User Operations" now doesn't it?
At least in Ubuntu, you don't need the terminal for any of what I would consider as normal user operations at all. In fact, the reason I was forced to give up using Ubuntu and move back to Slackware was that it was so much of a pain in the rear to do things outside the GUI installer/system maintentance/config tools that I couldn't do the kinds of things I was used to. (Specifically, dealing with package management and compiling software that didn't have packages and needed different versions of libraries, without totally screwing one or the other up became too much of a headache) As a matter of fact, now that I think about it, I could probably do more without a command line on my Linux machine than with my MacOS X laptop on a stock install, since the Finder can't browse the BSD subsystem, and both GNOME and KDE default filsystem can, allowing me to use a GUI text editor to edit system files for configuration changes that I'm forced to use Terminal for on MacOS X.
My girlfriend is, lets put it bluntly, a fat girl. I personally could stand to lose weight, but I'm not that out of whack (I don't know how much I weigh actually, don't own a scale, but I can pinch an inch, and my chin could be less round). When I visit her and we live on her diet, she eats significantly less than me (I often finish up her meal when we eat out if a take-home bag isn't in the cards), we walk everywhere or take the bus and I'm the one that's winded. However, every time I fly back people consistently mention that I seem to have lost weight.
She spends half of what I do in food, cooks her own food most of the time, gets fast food only once a week. Doesn't own a car, isn't interested in owning a car, or living in a place where a car is required. There's no way in hell that she's got a bigger carbon footprint, or causing higher food prices. I wouldn't go so far as to say that all weight-related health "science" is actually junk science, but it's obvious that there is a whole shit ton of stuff they don't understand, and they're using a hammer for every job because it's the only tool they have.
Will this affect anything I do if I am eventually given an option to install this kernel version? (Or am presented with a distro that has this kernel as the default?)
I know (or think I know) low latency is important for audio work, and I know people who do a lot of audio work under Linux, should I be giving them aheads up to avoid upgrading their kernel until this gets fixed, or should I start looking for unofficial, special low latency versions of the kernel to recommend to them?
Yeah, and as I said, those routes on the East Coast are much more affordable, get where they're going at a reasonable time, and are packed daily from DC to Boston. If I was travelling anywhere around there (even as far as Chicago probably) I would most likely be going by train, but crossing the Continental divide jacks the price and the time up way higher than air travel. When the air travel costs get too high, I'll gladly take the excuse, but they've got quite a ways to go before they get higher than trains at this point in time.