Yes, finally someone understands the real argument. If Orne can bring his bible to school and read it, you can bring your Satanic bible to school and read it too. You can do a book report about it for all I care. Advocating nimal sacrifices would OK with me, but actually doing one in school would probably be off limits for safety issues, unless you could incorporate it into the biology class for disection purposes. (And by the way, even the bible had animal sacrifices to God, so it isn't automatically Satanic or Pagan to do so.)
Did you hear about the girl that got punished at school for asking other students if they wanted to pray with her before lunch? She wasn't trying to make a big production out of it, just asking her friends if they wanted to pray. I forgot what exactly the school did to her, but her parents hired lawyers over it.
I just tried Google, but it happened about a year ago, so I couldn't locate anything on it. A close approximation though would be this article from WorldNetDaily. 1st Amendment protects students who pray And, for the record, if you haven't been to their site before, Yes, they are the right wing extremist you probably don't want to hear from. This article though seems pretty straight-forward with the facts, not preaching like their editorials.
Let me quote their two main examples for people who don't want to support them with a visit:
In one public school bus in Carroll County, Md., young children asked their bus driver, a woman named Stella Tsourakis, to pray with them. She agreed, but when her superiors found out, she was told that she was wrong to do so. To make matters worse, she was told that the kids were not allowed to pray on the bus, and if any of them tried, she was ordered to tell them to get off and walk home!
Just a few years ago, two teen-age girls in Texas were told by their public-school teacher to remove their Ten Commandments book covers, or suffer punishment.
As for the bulletted items in the article, the first and third ones would apply to the first situation I mentioned above.
First off, Dr. Spock was the doctor in the US in the 1950's who wrote books on how to raise children. He might have heard the term 'stardate', and maybe even knew what it referred to. However, I doubt he will be making quotes when 'stardate 2822.3' rolls around. Having died in 1998 and all.
Now if you meant Mr. Spock, first officer of the starship USS Enterprise, also know as NCC-1701, I still doubt you are being accurate. After all why would a Vulcan find it enlightening to quote a Jedi Master? Especially one who existed long, long ago, in a galaxy far, far away.
So you're saying this tribe passed down stone tools from father to son for thousands of years, only to throw them away after all that time. Pretty impressive.
My wife complains when I can't find the socks I wore this morning. So I can't even fathom this scenario.
Usually, you can't carbon date stone. You carbon date organic stuff around the stone. That is why the scientists love to find prehistoric garbage pits and latrines. They find a lot of organic material, that is put there by a specific group, and all stone or pottery artifacts are almost certainly from that group.
Not "Kill the white man" crazy, more like "Cut off my ears so I can't hear it anymore" crazy?
I forget who sings it, but he's "half Cherokee and Choktaw" and his "baby's Chippewa". For all I know the singer is native, so please excuse my ignorance. I just wonder about this when it plays on the radio.
That's why I don't let my mother-in-law on the computer.
Of course, the bulk of email messages I hate to see contain the words, "Order confirmation..." from Gap, OldNavy, Disney, Victoria Secret, and a few other sites my wife spends all our money at. If I could get those companies branded as spammers, and sue them for a million bucks, I would be happy. But then again, my wife would just use the money to buy more crap from them.
I know it wouldn't be the death knell of India's economy. That's why I didn't say so. I only said we would stop outsourcing to them. Come to think of it, I wonder how much of their Gross National Product (GNP) comes from outsourced projects (computer programming, web design, phone services, etc.).
Actually, I just wrote that line because I liked how it sounded. Real emphatic and all. After the statements about Japan, I needed something short and too the point.
Anyhow, thanks for the additional viewpoint, about *not* outsourcing. Whether you like it or hate it, it's better to talk about it than ignore it.
Hi, thanks for reading my post. But from your post, I guess you missed this little line near the end. Actually, I intended to make a longer paragraph about this, but didn't want to sound like I was droning on too much.
Sure, it would be a stupid thing to do, and would hurt the US economy. It would probably strengthen our feircest enemies more than hurt them.
Actually, one thing I remember from American History was that the US did perform a complete embargo against the rest of the world once. It was sometime after the Revolution and before the Civil War. The main result was that the European countries gained significant footholds in trade, and the US economy was in shambles. But at least we showed them how obstinate we can be when push comes to shove.
Again, thanks for reading and posting. That's what this site is for after all.
I for one would love to accomodate you. We could pull all United States interests out of every country in the world. This includes all military stationed overseas, and all US companies with overseas branches. Also, all imports and exports would cease, all foreign aid would cease, and the UN would be escorted to the airport for a trip to Europe, no return flight. Every US satellite would be allowed only for US transmission, even the GPS sats.
Let Europe stop bitching about the US putting its nose into everyone else's business, and let them deal with the global chaos that would ensue. Because every piss-ant wannabe dictator in Africa would start slaughtering everyone who stood in their way of ruling their corner of the jungle. (By the way, which ones are we SUPPORTING?) Columbia would disolve. Likewise the Balkans would flare-up with the shit that's been smoldering there for the last few years. Especially since the Muslim fanatics would be trying to recapture their territory, for a second Ottoman Empire.
You think France is mad now, wait until there is no demand for their cheeses and wines. The unofficial boycott for the last couple years has dented their profits, an all-out embargo by the US would drive many out of business.
Japan is just now recuperating from their own recession, imagine the fun watching them lay off a hundred thousand auto workers because they can't ship anything to the US either. Then the stereo workers, computer workers, television workers, and all other electronic products.
India. Outsourcing. Ended. Enough said.
All of South-East Asia and the Southern Pacific nations that currently make so much of our cheap import crap would be given numbers to distributors in Europe, because we don't want that shit anymore, even if it does have the Levi's label on it.
And, last but not least, all non citizens would be deported immediately. The military would be stationed along the entire southern border to stop illegal immigrants, with bullets not handcuffs.
Sure, it would be a stupid thing to do, and would hurt the US economy. It would probably strengthen our feircest enemies more than hurt them. But we could finally tell everyone else to shut the fuck up, and mean it. Put a big stick in their eye. Give them a big shitburger and watch them eat it.
By the way, if anyone is still reading this. If we are so unwelcome in the world, and everyone wishes we would not butt in on everyone's business, why are be being chastized for not helping stop the genocide in the Sudan? And, when Haiti was going through a revolution of its own lately, why did the international community demand the US step in to solve it? You seem to not want us to invade other countries for our reasons, but insist we do so for your reasons. And since we had many of our troops in a combat zone, and France and Germany didn't have any troops in a combat zone, wouldn't it have made more sense for them to send troops to Haiti, under a UN mandate, to restore peace and provide food and water?
Actually, I don't see it as a 'two-sided' war. I guess more like a semi-revolution. Anyone who is angry at the way their tax dollars are being spent will be swept up into a anarchic mass, which will devestate many government bodies. The resulting chaos and unrest will bog down the daily flow of food, medicine, and attention that millions need to survive.
I'm talking about every kid with leukemia, every body self-injecting insulin for diabitis, most of the people in large metro areas that are far removed from where food is grown, and those elderly living month to month on Social Security, especially those in nursing homes being paid for by that social security or Medicare.
I'm not saying I wish those people would all die. I don't personally wish that they die or suffer any harm or discomfort. I simply figure that as the ratio of 'working people' to 'Social Security recipients' approaches 1:1, this outcome is all but inevitable.
Actually, I figure we will have a civil war in about three decades. Based mainly around Social Security. One great scourge that will kill millions, mostly by starvation and lack of medical attention. The survivors will hopefully be wiser than we are now.
I'm not sure which way you are saying it is supposed to be spelled. But I bet neither one is on his birth certificate.
Kinda like Chairman Mao. Is his name Tse Tong, Tse Tung, Zedong, or something else? Not to mention the leader of Libya, and the Italian who sailed to the Carribean.
Many of us here are very happy you have a job at which you can be offended about the ads or articles that appear on Slashdot's "front page".
For those of us sitting in our own home, hoping that job we applied to on Monster yesterday comes through, the argument seems rather idiotic. If you don't want your boss seeing you wasting time at work with a site that mentions adult sites, stop reading Slashdot at work.
As for your argument (which I am sure you want to use in a reply) that you are doing 'research' that is vitally important to your job, yeah right. I used that rationalization at my last job too. It wasn't the reason I lost my job, but it was one reason that kept me from doing my job better so that I could keep my job.
Well, in my highschool, the lockers in the hall ways had built in combo locks. But the ones in 'senior hall' were so old and wornout, you could simply pull up hard on the handle and it would open. As we were mostly too cheap to buy our own locks, everyone just never kept valuable stuff in the lockers.
I just received my July 2004 issue of PC World today, and glanced thru it. This exact project was mentioned, on page 36. I wonder if this will become a collector's item now.;^)
The last paragraph is quite telling actually:
Another hurdle: BPL may interfere with radio signals. The Federal Communications Commission is considering rules to forestall such problems, but those rules won't be finalized for months.
That BPL means 'Broadband over Power Line', by the way.
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Did you hear about the girl that got punished at school for asking other students if they wanted to pray with her before lunch? She wasn't trying to make a big production out of it, just asking her friends if they wanted to pray. I forgot what exactly the school did to her, but her parents hired lawyers over it.
I just tried Google, but it happened about a year ago, so I couldn't locate anything on it. A close approximation though would be this article from WorldNetDaily. 1st Amendment protects students who pray
And, for the record, if you haven't been to their site before, Yes, they are the right wing extremist you probably don't want to hear from. This article though seems pretty straight-forward with the facts, not preaching like their editorials.
Let me quote their two main examples for people who don't want to support them with a visit:
As for the bulletted items in the article, the first and third ones would apply to the first situation I mentioned above.
First off, Dr. Spock was the doctor in the US in the 1950's who wrote books on how to raise children. He might have heard the term 'stardate', and maybe even knew what it referred to. However, I doubt he will be making quotes when 'stardate 2822.3' rolls around. Having died in 1998 and all.
Now if you meant Mr. Spock, first officer of the starship USS Enterprise, also know as NCC-1701, I still doubt you are being accurate. After all why would a Vulcan find it enlightening to quote a Jedi Master? Especially one who existed long, long ago, in a galaxy far, far away.
Oh great, now I have to change my sig. Thanks a lot. ;^)
So you're saying this tribe passed down stone tools from father to son for thousands of years, only to throw them away after all that time. Pretty impressive.
My wife complains when I can't find the socks I wore this morning. So I can't even fathom this scenario.
Not having read the article, I'll say this:
Usually, you can't carbon date stone. You carbon date organic stuff around the stone. That is why the scientists love to find prehistoric garbage pits and latrines. They find a lot of organic material, that is put there by a specific group, and all stone or pottery artifacts are almost certainly from that group.
Does that one country song drive you crazy?
Not "Kill the white man" crazy, more like "Cut off my ears so I can't hear it anymore" crazy?
I forget who sings it, but he's "half Cherokee and Choktaw" and his "baby's Chippewa". For all I know the singer is native, so please excuse my ignorance. I just wonder about this when it plays on the radio.
Exactly.
I had this mental image of the guys from CSI, or even Cold Case Files, figuring out how the bodies got there in his driveway.
Why is this guy keeping human remains in his driveway?
I know some families have their own burial plots on their land, but usually they don't put a driveway over it.
That's why I don't let my mother-in-law on the computer.
Of course, the bulk of email messages I hate to see contain the words, "Order confirmation..." from Gap, OldNavy, Disney, Victoria Secret, and a few other sites my wife spends all our money at. If I could get those companies branded as spammers, and sue them for a million bucks, I would be happy. But then again, my wife would just use the money to buy more crap from them.
No, the Lotus SmartSuite had a spreadsheet program named 123. And we were still buying it in the mid 90s in the military.
So is Gateway. I'd like to see you try to start selling your own Gateway branded computers, though.
Sure, I will just add on a modifier so that is isn't exactly Gateway. Like MyGateway, Lateway, or Gateway2000.
I know it wouldn't be the death knell of India's economy. That's why I didn't say so. I only said we would stop outsourcing to them. Come to think of it, I wonder how much of their Gross National Product (GNP) comes from outsourced projects (computer programming, web design, phone services, etc.).
Actually, I just wrote that line because I liked how it sounded. Real emphatic and all. After the statements about Japan, I needed something short and too the point.
Anyhow, thanks for the additional viewpoint, about *not* outsourcing. Whether you like it or hate it, it's better to talk about it than ignore it.
Actually, one thing I remember from American History was that the US did perform a complete embargo against the rest of the world once. It was sometime after the Revolution and before the Civil War. The main result was that the European countries gained significant footholds in trade, and the US economy was in shambles. But at least we showed them how obstinate we can be when push comes to shove.
Again, thanks for reading and posting. That's what this site is for after all.
Thank you for your support. But this ridiculous idea wouldn't work at all if we played favorites.
And of course, this is just a mental excercise, as no politician would dream of ever doing it.
Now to read the five posts that are at 0 or -1. I bet they all love this idea.
I for one would love to accomodate you. We could pull all United States interests out of every country in the world. This includes all military stationed overseas, and all US companies with overseas branches. Also, all imports and exports would cease, all foreign aid would cease, and the UN would be escorted to the airport for a trip to Europe, no return flight. Every US satellite would be allowed only for US transmission, even the GPS sats.
Let Europe stop bitching about the US putting its nose into everyone else's business, and let them deal with the global chaos that would ensue. Because every piss-ant wannabe dictator in Africa would start slaughtering everyone who stood in their way of ruling their corner of the jungle. (By the way, which ones are we SUPPORTING?) Columbia would disolve. Likewise the Balkans would flare-up with the shit that's been smoldering there for the last few years. Especially since the Muslim fanatics would be trying to recapture their territory, for a second Ottoman Empire.
You think France is mad now, wait until there is no demand for their cheeses and wines. The unofficial boycott for the last couple years has dented their profits, an all-out embargo by the US would drive many out of business.
Japan is just now recuperating from their own recession, imagine the fun watching them lay off a hundred thousand auto workers because they can't ship anything to the US either. Then the stereo workers, computer workers, television workers, and all other electronic products.
India. Outsourcing. Ended. Enough said.
All of South-East Asia and the Southern Pacific nations that currently make so much of our cheap import crap would be given numbers to distributors in Europe, because we don't want that shit anymore, even if it does have the Levi's label on it.
And, last but not least, all non citizens would be deported immediately. The military would be stationed along the entire southern border to stop illegal immigrants, with bullets not handcuffs.
Sure, it would be a stupid thing to do, and would hurt the US economy. It would probably strengthen our feircest enemies more than hurt them. But we could finally tell everyone else to shut the fuck up, and mean it. Put a big stick in their eye. Give them a big shitburger and watch them eat it.
By the way, if anyone is still reading this. If we are so unwelcome in the world, and everyone wishes we would not butt in on everyone's business, why are be being chastized for not helping stop the genocide in the Sudan? And, when Haiti was going through a revolution of its own lately, why did the international community demand the US step in to solve it? You seem to not want us to invade other countries for our reasons, but insist we do so for your reasons. And since we had many of our troops in a combat zone, and France and Germany didn't have any troops in a combat zone, wouldn't it have made more sense for them to send troops to Haiti, under a UN mandate, to restore peace and provide food and water?
Nice rant.
Actually, I don't see it as a 'two-sided' war. I guess more like a semi-revolution. Anyone who is angry at the way their tax dollars are being spent will be swept up into a anarchic mass, which will devestate many government bodies. The resulting chaos and unrest will bog down the daily flow of food, medicine, and attention that millions need to survive.
I'm talking about every kid with leukemia, every body self-injecting insulin for diabitis, most of the people in large metro areas that are far removed from where food is grown, and those elderly living month to month on Social Security, especially those in nursing homes being paid for by that social security or Medicare.
I'm not saying I wish those people would all die. I don't personally wish that they die or suffer any harm or discomfort. I simply figure that as the ratio of 'working people' to 'Social Security recipients' approaches 1:1, this outcome is all but inevitable.
Actually, I figure we will have a civil war in about three decades. Based mainly around Social Security. One great scourge that will kill millions, mostly by starvation and lack of medical attention. The survivors will hopefully be wiser than we are now.
"successful Osama (foxnews followers its Usama) "
I'm not sure which way you are saying it is supposed to be spelled. But I bet neither one is on his birth certificate.
Kinda like Chairman Mao. Is his name Tse Tong, Tse Tung, Zedong, or something else? Not to mention the leader of Libya, and the Italian who sailed to the Carribean.
Mr Freud, you slipped on something.
And thanks for the laugh.
Many of us here are very happy you have a job at which you can be offended about the ads or articles that appear on Slashdot's "front page".
For those of us sitting in our own home, hoping that job we applied to on Monster yesterday comes through, the argument seems rather idiotic. If you don't want your boss seeing you wasting time at work with a site that mentions adult sites, stop reading Slashdot at work.
As for your argument (which I am sure you want to use in a reply) that you are doing 'research' that is vitally important to your job, yeah right. I used that rationalization at my last job too. It wasn't the reason I lost my job, but it was one reason that kept me from doing my job better so that I could keep my job.
Another cert I am going to be pressured into acquiring to show how much stuff I have learned, rather than just learning it and using it.
I know it probably isn't going to come to that, but I am about to restart upgrading my NT 4 MCSE to Win2003, so it's on my mind.
I even wonder if I should retake the SAT exam to see if I can do better than when I was in high school.
Well, in my highschool, the lockers in the hall ways had built in combo locks. But the ones in 'senior hall' were so old and wornout, you could simply pull up hard on the handle and it would open. As we were mostly too cheap to buy our own locks, everyone just never kept valuable stuff in the lockers.
I see you have gold and blue in there. But you forgot about the final one...
They've gone plaid.
Yeah, but the dog's only two years old, and you're going on thirty. :-p
The last paragraph is quite telling actually:
That BPL means 'Broadband over Power Line', by the way.