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Monitoring the U.S. Elections Online?
shahman wonders: "I'll be on the road all day this election day, so the only access I'll have is through my PDA/Phone. I was wondering if any Slashdot readers know of WAP-enabled services or low-bandwidth sites that are providing (semi) real-time election coverage?" Nobbin has a similar, but less bandwidth-restrictive question: "I was wondering where I could find live results for the coming U.S. election, online. I live in Australia so I can't get them through watching CNN and so forth. I'm looking for something similar to the Austalian Electoral Commission's virtual tally room. So far, Google hasn't turned up much."
CNN has a tally room, which I think is what Nobbin is getting at.
Mencken had it right. So glad that's old news.
Wikipedia's article U.S. presidential election, 2004 answers the higher bandwidth question quite thoroughly - with results (updated frequently) and links to a host of sites that will report the results as they come in. Don't expect much before 23:00 GMT since that's when the first of the polls close.
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http://www.pollstats.com
I live outside Atlanta. The Atlanta Paper(Get login from bugmenot.com) has Great information about all of the candidates in the 'Metro' Atlanta area. I'm 2 houses away from that area in Newton County, GA. My cable providor is from an adjacent county, so I haven't been able to see any ads about the ones in my county. The local paper is useless.
air america radio will have special coverage and with their 30-something stations and the live stream, you should be able to get some good out of them.
also, http://www.electoral-vote.com/ is going to have ongoing coverage all night also.
of course all the usual suspects like cnn and the other general papers and new sources should have pretty up to date info as well.
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Don't worry, Diebold has already decided who won, they'll let you know.
Seriously, nobody's going to be doing any exit-poll results until the polls start closing, which won't be till around 7 pm in the East at the earliest. All you'll get is the usual "we're standing outside a polling place in Bumfuck, Iowa, and the mood of the people is restive/festive/destructive/cheerful/whatever" during the day, so drive carefully, keep your eyes on the road, your hands on the wheel, and watch the news when you get home in the evening....
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I suggest mobile.cnn.com, if you can get it on your phone. On my phone (AT&T wireless), it has a bunch of pages like "Top Stories", "Full Results", "The Candidates", and "What's at Stake"
Since I'll be volunteering up until the polls close, I suppose I'll be using it a lot...
(after that, it's fox news all the way...I like my news the way I wanna hear it!)
US election data doesn't compress into simple numbers very easily. I'd recommend those traveling use either a car-mounted or handheld radio... using the radio in AM mode would be highly recommended in most areas because news format stations are typically found there, although there are a few FM news/talk stations in existance.
First off. Expect to know nothing useful until polls close. It's US media tradition not to release exit poll data or make winner projections until the polls in any given state are closed under the theory that early victory news might discurage turnout and affect the outcome. Therefore, don't bother looking for results during the daytime. Nobody's going to be projecting a winner until well into primetime. The only major site that might break this tradition is The Drudge Report, but its unknown what kind of info Drudge will get.
Then there's the complexity of the Electoral College system. Really, there isn't one election happening tomorrow, there's fifty state elections plus one more for D.C. over which slate of electors to send forward. Having a running total of the national popular vote is not useful data because that's data that doesn't lead to anything.
Further complexing things is that there's also hundreds of Congressional races tomorrow because every seat in the House of Representatives and one-third of the Senate come up for re-election as they do every two years. The control of the majority of both of those bodies will be in play tomorrow as well. And let's not forget that many states have ballot question issues and local offices in play as well.
So... when you add it all up there's over 500 seperate races of national importance to consider tomorrow. No small text screen can do it justice... use radio and TV and let them explain it one by one. Sit back, and relax... the pundits will be on all night because there's going to be a lot for them to talk about.
AFAIK The news media is not supposed to project states until the the polls close in each state as to not deter late in hte day voters..You wont get any real time breakdowns until after 8pm eastern. I could be wrong.
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Another thing worth bearing in mind is the fact that absentee ballots and the like won't be counted until the tuesday votes are done.
With the country is as divided as it is now, these will probably be what decides the election.
This same technique of delayed gratification has served me well for lots of things.
The resultes don't change by knowing them sooner.
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
Why does real time monitoring matter, I mean look at the last presidential election. I think all this polling and up to the second exit polls are only adding to the problem. In the grand scheme(sp?) does it affect you if you know today or three days from now who the president will be. Look at the days before internet before tv, before radio, before wire service when information took days to get across country. The world still worked. Life will go on. Besides I doubt there will be a conclusive answer for weeks.
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I know the '92 US Presidential election returns were available online in near-real-time.
If memory serves, someone did this in '88 also, using a simple "dump results and disconnect" server that you could telnet to. Anyone else remember an '88 online election return?
How about '84? '80? '76? '72?
We didn't have the 'net before '69, but anyone remember if any computing centers had running totals for their users in the '70s or before?
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I personally wish I could just crawl into a cave and leaving a wake-up call for inaguration day. I can't IMAGINE wanting to keep up with the minute-by-minute details of what'll doubtless be only the beginning of a weeks-long debacle. Put it another way - do you really need to go out of your way to get "information" of questionable relevance a few seconds before you would anyway? It's the Presidential election, you'd have to be pretty careful NOT to find out about anything really significant.
Relax. Get a book-on-tape of something you've always wanted to read for your journey. Use the time wisely instead of suckling at the mass-media tit because they've told you that you MUST be INFORMED every MINUTE of the DAY, by US!
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shows polls and updates as the votes get tallied
As a resident of Bumfuck, Iowa I'd like to invite you inside and have a cup of coffee. How about that weather? Jim and I are just finishing up the corn harvest and boy-howdy, she's been a right regular year...
Voting is not a spectator sport. I do not want to know who wins until they win. Somehow watching our country fall to peices isn't that enthralling.
That, and I fear I will grow dumber by being on the same coast as Florida...
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... but the League of Women Voters have a very good site called SmartVoter.org which gives you analysis on each measure/prop. They have some VERY limited information on the candidates, but they do link to more info. The info is broken all the way down to your local ballot.
"1984" was ment to be a warning, not a guidebook. You hear that Kim Jong-il!? BushCo?!
Only a few of the 33 Senate seats and no more than a few dozen of the House seats up for grabs are seriously contested. The winners of the rest are a foregone conclusion - not even Diebold can change that.
Handicappers are calling the Senate as 50-54 Republicans, with the rest Democrats or Independents. They are handicapping the House as likely to remain in Republican control.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
Couldn't you just listen to the radio?
http://www.house.gov/
The Associated Press will be the offical vote tallier according to an AP report. I wouldn't look for complete predictions before the West coast polls close after 2000's problems.
http://www.democraticaction.org/results/
Matt Drudge said he will run exit-polilng data through the day. He did during the 2002 election. The major networks agreed to stop doing this after the 2000 problems.
I believe it's the other way around. bin Laden appears very happy with the Bush administration.
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in australia in our receent elections we had a live tally room http://vtr.aec.gov.au/. i spent a little bit of time watching the results as they where counted.
CPSAN's 2004 Vote site
Also have live feeds of CSPAN 1-4 in real or windows media linked from the homepage
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Find a hotel lobby. They always have the talking-head news on.
For $5 or less at "the dollar store" you can usually find a nice AM/FM radio. For $20 you can usually find one with a suitable geek factor.
Find a bar, and threaten to bust up the joint unless they show the election returns.
sigs, as if you care.
For real-time monitoring of the election results, read the morning paper every day. Repeat until mid-December.
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This is the United States.
We have 50 separate state elections.
Look into it.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/pre sident/
Many, many, states have websites that'll give totals as they roll in. Here's the page for Virginia.
Still, the best way is to start watching the returns as the polls close. I think the earliest closings are 6p EST. I think we'll probably have a good idea of the winner by 11p EST. If Kerry doesn't take Ohio and Florida, I don't think he'll be able to make it up in the Mountain states and the west.
As a Canadian I can tell you that this is the first time that I see people who seems to care more about an American election than about our own last one. I think many people around the world feel the same. So information will be available anywhere.
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The networks never broadcasted exit polling data before the polls in any given area were closed... that started well before the 2000 debacle.
I don't know about WAP, but I will probably be stepping outside periodically to wail and rend my garments. You'll probably be able to hear it throughout Silicon Valley.
Y'all can't wait until Wed. morning?
That would probably make the biggest impact on US federal elections. Prohibit results from being broadcast by the govment until the next day.
Censorship? Phah. I think by definition the government can't be accused of censoring itself.
If there ever was an amendment to the constitution that makes sense, it would be doing this.
Don't prohibit the press from trying to report the preliminary results during the day, just prohibit the govment voting bodies from doing so or remove that jurisdiction from the federal and supreme courts.
We can all wait until the morning to spew our coffee and donuts all over the front page, TV screen or computer keyboard on Wed. morning.
Besides, whatever the results are, they will be contested in courts for the next month and a half (we all ready know that the SCOTUS has set a precident for itself to essentially not stop the Electoral College election from happening, no matter what. It would have to take something extremely unconstitutional for them to do so again).
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I don't remember too many details, except that the successor to the ENIAC (forget name now) helped CBS (I think) predict the winner in 1952. Anyone remember more?
Drudge is an ass - not that he listens to anyone other than his own giant ego, but whatever. I doubt Drudge has the resources to commission a real nationwide exit poll for himself, so if he does, it'll be because someone at one of the networks is leaking it to him.
ABSURDITY, n.: A statement or belief manifestly inconsistent with one's own opinion.
I work at home and don't have a TV. I will turn the radio off, of course, but that may not be enough. I know I must avoid the news sites, but will it be safe to visit Slashdot?
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Sad to say it, but the election ain't gonna be over until the courts rule on it. There are a lot of people on both sides of the aisle with lawyer-attack-dogs ready to start filing lawsuits no matter what happens. A good example of this is http://www.nov3.us. I get the strong impression that they're going to be causing a ruckus if Bush comes out with a win regardless of whether it was fair or not. Certainly, I'm sure the Republicans are also ready for a legal fight if Kerry wins.
I really appreciate your interest in our great representative democracy, but this election is going to be an embarassment to our great nation even if there isn't fraud. Rest assured that I enjoy following other nations' elections when I can, at least in a general sense (I can't really get worked up over who's going to be the mayor of Hamburg, sorry).
Someday, someone will teach politicians to lose gracefully. Alas, someday is not tomorrow.
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I'll be having some good coverage at wcsg.org in the evening. Our news dept will be on top of it. I'll have rss feeds etc.
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...I would be quite comfortable hazzarding a guess that Yahoo will have real time coverage (including Yahoo! Mobile which should work fine on any PDA/Phone). Given the very impressive real time World Series coverage they had, surely they'll do at least as much during the election. Here's a link that should prove valuable:
o litics/elections/presidential_elections/2004_presi dential_election/
http://dir.yahoo.com/government/u_s__government/p
Hope this helps.
Don't run the site, but ran across this tonight (via Wizbang). Its being run by a blogger, so how quickly things get updated I have no idea, but it looks pretty promising.
My cell phone already has 2 catagories in the news headlines page that tell the number of electorial votes for each candidate.
I do security
Substitute Idaho, New York, Kansas, California, Utah, et cetera, as you see fit ;)
ABSURDITY, n.: A statement or belief manifestly inconsistent with one's own opinion.
I'm from Bumfuck Iowa, you insensitive clod!
Depending on who wins, the power will either stay up to support your connection, or all of the US will go dark...very, very dark. Just monitor the skyline out the window of your hotel.
Best hope that Kerry wins so the mail will continue to go thru... God knows the coasts have been unguarded for so long it makes little sense now to pay them heed.
http://electoral-vote.com/ is planning on providing semi-real time coverage online. The side is almost completely text (on the main page anyways) and only has the one image of the electoral vote prediction (which I imagine will be zeroed tomorrow morning). If the server goes down there are 5 mirrors (httpL://www.electoral-vote2.com/, ...., http://www.electoral-vote6.com/)
Larry King Tonight said that exit polls would start about 1 PM - most reliable information will materialize after 6 PM - stay tuned to the blogosphere - instapundit.com, drudgereport.com, blog.johnkerry.com, www.georgewbush.com/blog
It's always fun to contribute to a thread I won't be able to read at work tomorrow, because it won't get past the bad-word filter on the boss's proxy server ;)
ABSURDITY, n.: A statement or belief manifestly inconsistent with one's own opinion.
using the radio in AM mode would be highly recommended in most areas
Read the opener...this guy is in Australia. The only thing on the AM band there is static.
as mentioned in an earlier /. article today: electoral-vote.com
In today's news he says he is going to be updating the site in realtime tomorrow. (If the link is down, add a 2, 3, 4, etc to the end of the domain name for mirrors)
-Ryan
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Try electoral-vote.com. The maintainer does a great job following current polls state-by-state with electoral vote totals and has promised to keep the site current tomorrow as results come in. Sometimes the site has been flaky under heavy loads, in which case you should try electoral-vote3.com, electoral-vote4.com as well.
It's psychosomatic. You need a lobotomy. I'll get a saw.
> I live in Australia so I can't get them through watching CNN and so forth
The way I see it, you're about 9 hours ahead of us (?) so why don't YOU tell US the outcome???
The ABC election website was really good during the (Australian) election too, it had a nice flash applet that allowed you to zoom in on electorates and switch the view from previous, estimated wins and switching seats.
The only thing that disappointed me were the results it showed :(
They didn't do it in 2000, when four networks called Florida for Gore before the polls were closed state-wide.
I'm a Yank, and happened to be in Sydney, NSW, on Election Day, 2000. I distinctly remember watching some of the election return coverage on CNBC on a big screen TV in the Queen Victoria Exposition Centre (or something like that) downtown. Rather fascinating knowing that we were 16 hours ahead of the US East Coast (i.e., it was 4PM local time at Midnight EST !) and the networks had flip-flopped on Florida and a couple of other contests at that point.
It was even wierder leaving about 24 hours later and flying home to Boston (with what turned out to be a kidney stone - what fun, NOT!) which took about 21 hours with a change of planes in LA, and STILL not knowing for sure who'd won the election.
So, my advice would be to kick back, grab a Crown Lager or a Toohey's (or two) and some chips or whatever, and watch it on TV, because it's going to be a LONG process. Yes, the CNBC feed in the Pacific Rim, including Oz, will very likely be feeding much of what we'll be seeing on plain NBC back here. And enjoy the Crown Lager - I wish I could get it in the USA. (Sorry, but Foster's tastes like roo piss by comparison, and it's brewed in Toronto, Ontario under license/licence).
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
I live in Australia too, and I gotta tell ya, it is infinitely frustrating. This election directly affects all of us here, and everyone in the other fifty (or however many it is) states has the constitutional right to vote, why not us? I suppose Hawaii went through the same thing at one stage, being separated from the mainland just like us.
I find your ideas intriguing and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
Granted, it's low-tech, but I'd imagine any AM radio will do the trick just fine. Or sign up for any of the countless "breaking news" services (CNN has one, MSNBC does, and others) which will e-mail your cell phone with breaking news.
I want the highest bandwidth solution of all. I'm also in Australia, and I don't care so much about seeing the numbers (or rather, I do, but I have full confidence in my ability to find them on my own) as I do about hearing the commentary. Information on the House and Senate races, where the surprises are, what interesting patterns there are that don't come up in lists of "x votes for A and y votes for B in state C".
So... does anyone know if there will be online TV (preferably) or radio broadcasts?
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http://www.megapundit.com/results2004.php
For a long time I have been critical of Bush and his policies. For those that are looking for a systematic reason why a conservative or libertarian shouldn't support Bush, I have one here. I think that I have covered basically all of the bases for those on the right, including most of the major reasons that hold outs use to support him.
Click here or a puppy gets stomped!
Specific details such as what the computer name was? No.
There were some minor "glitches" with the computer however. For some time during the evening, or overnight, they refused to report the predictions the computer was generating as the results were very different from the telephone poll results that had been being performed up to the election.
It turns out that a vast segment of the population who did not have phones were a part of the public that tended to vote in a way different from the segment of the population with phones. And they did vote that year.
Since CBS was unsure which was correct, and the discrepency was as great as it was, as early as the computer was making it's prediction, they witheld the results until later in the evening when even more of the results were known.
A slight parallel has been pointed out a few times this election, noting that there are a significant number of voters who have cell phones which are not available to pollers. How significant the variation will be is somewhat up in the air. I think that it might be ballanced by the number of people with Caller-ID who refuse to accept calls from people they don't know or recognize. Who this might benifit, I don't know, and won't predict.
-Rusty
You never know...
Actually they already declared Bush the winner! The ironic thing is on their front page they have a big ass picture of a Diebold voting machine (scraped from yahoo those cheap bastards).
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Matt Drudge said he will run exit-polilng data through the day. He did during the 2002 election. The major networks agreed to stop doing this after the 2000 problems.
Matt Drudge is not running any exit polling. Matt Drudge is one guy; he doesn't have the power to do anything at all himself, and he has no organization. He's one guy (actually with another guy who helps him out) with a web site. That's it.
Drudge relies on polling data that he "obtains" from various sources, some of whom he names, some of whom he doesn't. Sometimes his exit polling data bears a resemblance to reality; usually, it's not even close. He had Bush up in Florida by something like 24 points in 2000 originally, and we all know how that turned out. In any case, it's not as if you can go to his site and expect to get nationwide exit polling - you'll see results for two counties in Ohio, three in Florida, one in Nebraska... that kind of thing. And he'll pick and choose to post only the polls he wants to post, either because he wants to turn out more pro-Bush voters in those areas or because he wants to show how far ahead Bush is and make the outcome seem inevitable. Some people who seem to think he's an unbiased source of news apparently don't realize he does these things, but he does. And he doesn't see anything wrong with it; he thinks he's just being an "editor".
There is no such thing as a reliable source of exit polling data in this country, and IMO there shouldn't be. There was a small controversy about this after the last election - a few people (like Drudge) questioning why they shouldn't post exit poll data in advance - but these people are mostly idiots who don't understand how an election actually works (again, like Drudge).
So you will not be able to get a "live tally" of the vote from overseas or anywhere else, because no such thing exists. The vote tallies are counted after the polls close, and are only then reported by each polling district. So you will not see any official numbers at all until the first polls close on the east coast - not sure exactly when that is, but probably around 7 PM EST.
If you do find anything on the net that claims to have election results or polling data prior to the polls closing, don't believe the results. Anyone can make up numbers and guys like Drudge are only too eager to post them without any verification at all (I half-believe he makes up some of his un-sourced numbers himself). If, at the end of the night, they don't match the official totals, they'll just say "oh well, samples don't always match the totals, etc. etc." when they could have just as easily just been pulling those numbers out of their asses.
People don't always answer truthfully in exit polls anyway. Our votes are supposed to be private and honestly, if somebody I didn't know asked me who I voted for outside a polling place, I probably would lie. It's none of their business who I voted for and how do I know who they say they are anyway? They could be working for the guy I voted against. They could be a group of drunken supporters of the other guy pretending to be pollsters and out to beat up people who voted for my candidate. I'd probably say I wrote somebody in.
Point is, exit polls are not reliable - they're not reliable even if they're real exit polls, and half of what you see on the net is made up anyway. This is why the major nets agreed not to rely on them so heavily anymore. Wait for the official results, which will come after the polls close.
The Fox News Channel (FNC) is available overseas in select countries: Italy, Australia, Japan, etc. In Australia, you will definitely want to investigate the following broadcast stations.
except for the 20 or so AM stations that i can pick up here in sydney.
And your point is?
If some people in the networks know, why shouldn't all of us?
Because others won't vote? If you decide whether or not to participate in our democracy by what other people have done, then you shouldn't be voting in the first place.
--Joey
Oh, you said "Election" Day...
When you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness. So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.
What's the point? In SlashDot you are preaching to the choir. The few of us that are republican, hold our positions as dearly as you hold yours.
http://www.busyweather.com/
Well, that's obviously not true. In fact, there will even be US election coverage on the AM band.
NewsRadio are promising coverage starting about 10am.
i love how the auto-linking of a URL requires user specification, and so isn't automatic at all.
That, and I fear I will grow dumber by being on the same coast as Florida...
Dammit, somebody mod this up as funny...
I have come here to chew memory and kick ass... and malloc() is returning a null pointer.
...with what kind of content? Chock-a-block full of razor-sharp American political commentary, no doubt. Yep, those up-to-the-minute tallies will be streaming over the airwaves, right along with O.N. John marathons and the latest slaughterhouse updates.
:)
If it's what I think, it still qualifies as 'static', mate... 'gibberish' after all, being of imitative origin, is 6-degrees slang I'm willing to bet originated from down under
If you're travelling in a car, you'll likely have access to one...
the longer people perceive the government is illigitmate and ineffectual, the closer we get to civil war. Personally, I really look forward to an all out conflict.
There is one thing America needs, and its more violence and bloodshed. The gods of war have been put aside for decades, peace and prosperity have gone on for too long. America is like an overripe fruit at the end of the harvest season, rotting with excessive sweetness.
The cycle of life must continue!
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Why should you know? What possible difference does it make whether you hear the first results at 3 pm or at 8 pm or at 7 am the next morning? What good does it do you to know four hours earlier than you might have otherwise known? What good does knowing earlier do anyone at all? Really, once you vote, it's out of your hands regardless of what happens, so there's no point in potentially discouraging others just for your own self-gratification.
ABSURDITY, n.: A statement or belief manifestly inconsistent with one's own opinion.
For me all I have to do is watch the value of one of my stocks. Specifically I just have to watch the value of my StemCells, Inc (Nasdaq: STEM) stock. I own 3000 shares of it. If Kerry is doing well then so will my stock. If Kerry isn't doing so well then my stock value will probably go down. Personally I am predicting a record payday for me tomorrow. So are many others apparently. Stay tuned...
Personally, I think it is because the lokal election stations are so badly run, the states fear what might happen if someone saw and documented it.
The Command Post is a "newsblog collective", and has, last I saw, over 80 bloggers lined up for election night.
Their election page, http://www.command-post.org/2004/index.html has nearly 50 articles from all around the country so far, and that's just since 7pm tonight.
The results of hotly contested congressional races are available online and via SMS text message in real time here:
http://www.democraticaction.org/results/
for the 1956 presidential race, the results were fed into Dartmouth College's mainframe. (I forget make/model). The process was tended by John Kemeny (one of the inventors of BASIC.)
Results / predictions were reported via the campus radio station (WDCR), which passed their results on to other stations in New England.
This was in the days before most news organizations had major forecasting...
Just go with the slashdot poll results.
They have been the same proportion all day.
still 18% bush, 43% kerry. (3907 v. 9285)
wow! still!!! 18% bush, 43% kerry - (4438 v. 10625)
And Again!!! 18% bush, 43% kerry - (6741 v. 16031)
Now, if only these people really will go out there and vote!!!
This is NOT a done deal until December when the Electorate votes. And we know how much they can screw things up!!!
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www.tradesports.com will give you an up-to-the-second probability of everything you want to know.
The DCCC* is running a site called RESULTRON that will send out results for the presidential and congressional races by SMS and RSS.
*Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee
When violence rules the world outside / And the headlines make me want to cry / It's not the time to just keep quiet
Finding ongoing online coverage should be fairly easy, but what about getting recurrant updates via text messages, SMS or whatever?
I would love to get updates throughout the day via my cell. Anyone have any sites that provide text message updates for election day?
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It's the need for insta-polls and immediate results and such on the part of the voting populace that, in part, caused the mess of the 2000 election. Everyone wanted to know NOW who won each state, so the networks call elections the instant the polls close. Of course, they forgot that some of Floria's polls close later. Did that affect the turnout in those areas? Maybe. But it also meant that suddenly everyone ASSUMED Gore carried Florida.
Then when Fox News decided to call Florida for Bush instead, just to be biased about it, everyone suddenly reversed it and called the election for Bush, and with it the national results. So everyone ASSUMED that Bush was President-Elect.
Then the recount mess began, and it APPEARED that Gore had lost but was whining about it. In fact, THE ELECTION WAS NOT OFFICIALLY CERTIFIED YET. But because people wanted a reality TV show instead of real news, and the networks of course gave it to them, public perception was screwed to hell. That's what caused the mess in 2000, more than anything else.
You'll find out who won tomorrow morning. Or more likely, you'll find out which states are being contested due to election fraud tomorrow morning. Don't encourage the 3 ring circus.
--GrouchoMarx
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"Where can find detailed information about all candidates down to the county level? Positions on issues, voting record, etc. would be great. I know the positions of all of the National and most of the State candidates. I do not have a party affiliation and usually vote for the candidate whose platform most closely resembles mine."
Great minds think alike. I would like to start with a map of the US (and territories) and zoom all the way down to county coroner if need be. Then click on any candidate with the relevent information presented. It would be ideal if there was a Q&A across candidates e.g. What's candidates position on senior citizens, or health care?
I'm researching now, and having to jump all over the place with varying degrees of informativity is a bit much.
2 six packs:
3 beers = I care who wins West Virginia
6 beers = I'm screaming "fuck" or "yeah" over and over.
9 beers = Oregon looks kinda shapely
12 beers = I wake up next to the District of Columbia and feel tired but nasty...
Voting's a lot like college...
-dameron
There are enough idiots voting already.
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
About fifth post, and after a link to Wikipedia! How does that feel?
vote early, then spend the rest of the day stabbing myself periodically with an icepick. With any luck, I'll have bled out by the time the results are in.
--- Asking inconvenient questions for over 30 years...
Um, a live tally is based on the counted votes, which always starts after the votes close. That's why it's a live _tally_.
"Software is too expensive to build cheaply"
well, the ABC has at least 2 news stations, local radio, a classical station and some others... one of which, newsradio, will for a couple of hours a day have broadcasts of PBN (i think - its a US public news radio stations) Duetche-Welle (sp), BBC, theres a heap of other news stations, several of which run bbc world service for most of the day, your local ethnic stations in x language, some classical stations, some dodgy 40-50's easy listening stations, talkback - you name it. possibly more variety than what you get on FM.
Seriously folks, in battleground states like Florida and Ohio, the results might depend on:
* provisional ballots cast due to challenges on election day.
* absentee ballots trickling in over the rest of the month.
Wait a minute. You look in the Wednesday paper to find out how good your sex was on Tuesday night?
Remember if you are tv/radio/news station broadcasting live election results over the internet make sure you have plenty of bandwidth to spare tomorrow and that your server can withstand the onslaught. It's not just US but 90% of the world that's going to tune in tomorrow for the Grand Finale.
Your pizza just the way you ought to have it.
this is a good one click on "US 2004 Pres Election Flag" banner
East Bumfuck or West Bumfuck?
Depends on whether you are facing north or south.
Infuriate left and right
Dewey Defeats Truman!
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/
the us station is NPR, not PBN. my bad.
WHOA Ok, who else read "Monitor U.S. Erections" the first time?!
Otherwise, you use Google's WAP/cHTML interface to screenscrape your favorite news site and turn it into something readable on your phone. Just bookmark that and you're ready to go. Also on the google front, you could sign up for news alerts and have those mailed to your phone.
Finally, you might try to look at a gambling website like http://www.tradesports.com and just bookmark the page of the 'price' of the presidency. The the closer to $1 the price reaches, the more likely that guy will win.
It was UNIVAC.
(btw, this took all of a Google search on "computer 1952 election".)
There's an RSS feed at http://www.electoral-vote.com/. They say they are going to try to be real-time on Tuesday and the RSS feed is low bandwidth.
http://www.vote-smart.org is a website that lists the stances voting records, special interest group ratings, campaign finance....the works.
I went ahead and plugged yours in for example and convenience:
Newton County, GA
CURRENT STATE ELECTIONS
Presidential Election 2004
Congressional Election 2004
Georgia State Legislative Election 2004 (Senate)
Georgia State Legislative Election 2004 (House)
CURRENT OFFICIALS
U.S. Senate
Senator Zell Bryan Miller Senior Seat - (Democrat)
Senator C. Saxby Chambliss Junior Seat - (Republican)
U.S. House
Representative David Scott District 13 - (Democrat)
Georgia Senate
Senator Faye Smith District 25 - (Democrat)
Georgia House of Representatives
Representative James Scott 'Jim' Stokes District 72 - (Democrat)
Georgia State Offices
Governor George 'Sonny' Perdue - (Republican)
Lt. Governor Mark Fletcher Taylor - (Democrat)
Agriculture Commissioner Tommy Irvin - (Democrat)
Attorney General Thurbert E. Baker - (Democrat)
Insurance Commissioner John W. Oxendine - (Republican)
Labor Commissioner Michael Thurmond - (Democrat)
Public Service Commissioner Herman Douglas 'Doug' Everett - (Republican)
Public Service Commissioner Stan Wise - (Republican)
Public Service Commissioner Angela Speir - (Republican)
Public Service Commissioner Robert 'Bobby' Baker - (Republican)
Public Service Commissioner David Burgess - (Democrat)
Secretary of State Cathy Cox - (Democrat)
State Superintendent of Schools Kathy Cox - (Republican)
CURRENT CANDIDATES
Presidential and Potential Presidential Candidates
U.S. Senate Candidates
Mr. Allen Buckley - (Libertarian)
Representative John H. 'Johnny' Isakson - (Republican)
Representative Denise L. Majette - (Democrat)
U.S. House Candidates
Representative David Scott District 13 - (Democrat)
Georgia Senate Candidates
Representative John Douglas District 17 - (Republican)
Georgia House of Representatives Candidates
Terry Evans District 112 - (Democrat)
Douglas Holt District 112 - (Republican)
The user is "admin" and the password is "password". Just set the winner by state and percentage. There are a few bugs that make things unpredictable, however. Now that you know, I'm going to have to kill you.
I only wish that I was joking. Try this on for size:
The central servers are installed on unpatched, open Windows computers and use RAS (Remote Access Server) to connect to the voting machines through telephone lines. Since RAS is not adequately protected, anyone in the world, even terrorists, who can figure out the server's phone number can change vote totals without being detected by observers. The passwords in many locations are easily guessed, and the access phone numbers can be learned through social engineering or war dialing.
Unpatched Winblows, RAS, modems? Un-#######-believable!
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
some filler here to make this stick, since the title is all I wanted to say :)
There is no such thing as a reliable source of exit polling data in this country
;)
Because you are a bit of a banana republic who haven't quite got that election thing under control
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
Bush: 19 Kerry: 7
rewriting history since 2109
Most all vote returns used to be processed with the night / next day after the Presidential election.
... but it seems various parts of American (U.S.) society are going backwords; how is it that many "third world" countries, some with populations rivaling that of the U.S., can conduct an election on ONE day (as opposed to the 30 days some Americans have; totally unnecessary - whatever happen to voting being a civic duty in which one dedicated part of their day to perform, but I digress) and have most, if not all, votes counted within a day or two. For example, the recent election in Afganistan (with a population of about 28 million) didn't take weeks to count despite how primative the country is - how did they do it so fast? Well, the same way many other countries do ... simple ballots, and a lot of people counting (or machines for scan countable ballots) - simple, fast, and verifiable.
... yep, a whole whopping night ... and they thought that was slow. In 2004, it will likely take much, much longer to determine who the President is than it did in 1948 or maybe even longer than in 1888!
Now it takes weeks? Welcome to the 19th century - though I think by the tail end of that century (late 1800s), votes were counted relatively quickly compared to how long votes in 2004 will likely take to count.
Digressing a bit here
Voting in the U.S. has degenerated into something that even a decade or so ago was unimaginable to most folks - vote monitors from other countries watching our elections, allowing people to vote over many weeks instead of one day, numerous flawed/corrupt voting systems, and vote counting that take weeks, and possibly longer...
This is progress? And to think many older people still speak of the Dewey / Truman election and how long it took to get results
Ron Bennett
http://www.foxnews.com/
There is an applet called "Track Your Races -- Election Tracker" toward the bottom of the main display segement - it allows you to monitor the Presidential election and up to 10 other state/congression races and/or ballot issues, it is live updated, and based on returns, not exit polls.
Set aside your preconceptions about Fox, the app is useful for what you say you want, and numbers are numbers.
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The DCCC is sending out SMS alerts throughout the day tomorrow. You can sign up here: http://www.democraticaction.org/results/index.html
caritj.org
Andrew Tanenbaum has a tracker he plans to update through the night:
http://www.electoral-vote5.com/
If you're like me and have access to all kinds of media, you might want a different kind of coverage. The fake and hilarious kind.
Lefterer.com's Fake Election Coverage.
I've been helping orchestrate the effort and it's pretty funny so far. Tune in.
According to the site, pollstats.com is only going to report data from South Dakota. Useful if you live there, but perhaps not otherwise.
"BSD: Free as in speech. Linux: Free as in beer. Windows 10: Free as in herpes." --Man On Pink Corner in #52607549.
Your site is unreadable.
Fix your site so it's readable in Mmozilla, please?
I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
Sigh. If you actually read the article description you'd realise they were in Australia, who as far as I know would be getting up around 7pm your time.
Huh? Exit polls told way too much truth. The exit polls said Gore won Florida. According to the voters, Gore won Florida. If the 19,000 fubar butterfly ballots had been counted as the voters intended, you damn near got a landslide.
Or Fox reporting him saying
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,110509,00.htmawaspaas, i hate your mom cuz shes fat and retarted and ugly. oh and she smells like poop.
so what relationship do you two have for you to even know how she smell?
... I get CNN, BBC, Sky News, etc. not to mention the special coverage on free-to-air Seven and Nine tomorrow (check your TV schedule). *shrug*
And all those outlets have web sites. So... what's the problem?
- I am made of meat.
Ugh, your site gives me a headache. I'm sorry, I really wanted to read the article, but the ugly font, white text on black, and dark blue links on top of black that highlight with puke flourescent green... I just couldnt handle it after about 30 seconds :(
:P
Its too bad because I was interested in what you had to say
Joseph?
For some reason they're down.
All I know is that you can get realtime results for the 2000 election here: http://www.evote.com/elections2000/results/electio nsummary2000.asp
Yes, folks, they are really real time - those numbers are still changing.
or else!
You don't really think we're gonna fall for a Goatse troll around here are you? In Soviet Russia, Diebold votes for YOU!
Just finished watching this and I thought it was very interesting. The filmmakers tried very hard to present just the facts without twisting them:
i ce2004/view/
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cho
Martin Rowson beat you to it
-- "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" -- Juvenal
And amount, not ammount. [English lesson over!]
As a European, I'm thoroughly ashamed how many would vote for Kerry when clearly Bush is your only way to go. He has great vision, speech and plans for the future. What other candidate has great plans for going to mars? The US patriotism must never be allowed to die, because without it, where would the world be?
Kerry is just a multibillionaire. He's too intelligent. He speaks too coherently, consider the issues in detail, thus thinks TOO much (flip, flop). How can you trust Kerry with anything? Better to vote Independent than to vote Kerry.
As a European, it is incomprehensible to me that anybody could vote for somebody like Kerry. Bush is clearly the one you must vote for. So I urge every patriot US consumer to vote for Bush. You have to! Somebody must be left to save your Country!? I am seriously concerned about you.
You have to vote for Bush, as a European I demand it. Kerry can't be allowed to win any election, neither here or in the US.
I say Bush is your only choice. Either you're with me on this, or you're against me. There's no middle ground for you.
Either you have to vote for Bush, or you have to vote Independent. It's better for you to vote independent or don't vote at all, than to vote on Kerry, so you won't steal any votes from Bush. Kerry is absolutely a no-no for you. I know what's best for you, because God speaks through me.
For more information, here is the grand future plans for the US. Notice the names at the bottom, do you find Kerry there? NO. He's a wuss. He doesn't value our fundamental principles.
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/
Of course it's not out of your hands. You've just voted. You're saying that people will vote for a candidate because they've already heard they are going to win! Is that stroking your own ego or what? Try voting for the candidate you think is the better political leader.
cL0h
Matt Drudge is not running any exit polling. Matt Drudge is one guy; he doesn't have the power to do anything at all himself, and he has no organization. He's one guy (actually with another guy who helps him out) with a web site. That's it.
Journalists "run" stories. Setting aside any arguments about whether or not Drudge is a journalist, the OP's point was that such numbers will be found on his site throughout the day.
Cute that misunderstanding this one word twigged you into ranting about exit polls, though.
So let's see you try some norwegian then!?
"no one who calls themself a Christian can honestly support John Kerry"
Buddy, if that's in the first sentence of your site, you can't really expect to be taken seriously.
Problems:
- you apparently assume all Christians are evangelical nutbags from the bible belt or devout Catholics
- you assume that Christians must obey the officers of the church, rather than interpreting the bible themselves and living by that interpretation
- you assume that you actually know what Jesus would say about John Kerry
- you presume to classify any Christian voting for Kerry as 'dishonest'
Other personal highlights:
"The only reason the AWB is dead today is because of the efforts of liberty-minded members of Congress."
Agreed, apart from the 'liberty-minded' part.
"He has supported the Law of the Sea Treaty which is an open assault on our national sovereignty."
If you actually knew how the Law of the Sea Treaty worked you could not sanely make this claim.
"Get that straight people: he [Bush] wanted to bolter (sic) the UN, not undermine it."
Right... sure...
"He gave us the USA PATRIOT Act which, under a future Clinton Administration, and one of those is bound to happen again, could be disasterous for freedom-loving Americans everywhere."
Sorry, can't write any more whilst laughing this hard...
Read Pynchon.
No, Lokal, ie States run by Loki
I'm guessing that wasn't on their radar screen...
http://abclocal.go.com/wjrt/news/110204_AP_r2_firs t_votes.html
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The first votes have just been cast and immediately counted and the results announced. Now how can that be? I don't think even third world countries allow that. Obviously results shouldn't be announced before the polls close so that early results don't affect voting later on.
And, in a incredibly massive surge of hyppocracy, a US senator has condemned the presidential elections in the Ukraine as undemocratic (http://www.voanews.com/english/About/lugarukrain
At which point, you're done contributing, and nothing you do has any further impact on the outcome.
You're saying that people will vote for a candidate because they've already heard they are going to win!
No, I'm saying that people will not get out and vote for a candidate that they've already heard will lose, and I've got history on my side - early calls in 1980 clearly affected turnout in the west. Larger turnout wouldn't have saved Carter, but depressing it probably cost the Democrats at least one seat in the House, maybe two. Given that, why on earth should you get the information that much earlier, particularly when the time of its release has no material impact on you at all, and the only potential impact on the outcome is negative for one side or the other?
ABSURDITY, n.: A statement or belief manifestly inconsistent with one's own opinion.
The site was down for a while today, they're back up with this message:
This site went down recently when we posted sensitive information.
The first two articles are nice and ominous too:
MONDAY Nov 1 2004: BREAKING NEWS: New information indicates that hackers may be targeting the central computers counting our votes tomorrow. All county elections officials who use modems to transfer votes from polling places to the central vote-counting server should disconnect the modems now.
We now have evidence that certainly looks like altering a computerized voting system during a real election, and it happened just six weeks ago.
Deltron 3030 - Virus (music video)
Did you notice how much a show broadcast 28 years ago parodying the ongoing election paralells the current?
The Republican candidate was stupid, abortion rights were an issue and the Democratic candidate was considered a "flip flopper".
The only diference is apparently, the media didn't let politicians get away w/ sidestepping the question, which reminds me of this:
The Media Then and Now.
Looking for an American based site for objective coverage may not be that enlightening.
To get a global perspective of the impact of the election result and overall good quality coverage, keep an eye on http://news.bbc.co.uk/. I know that in the UK there will be a "Through The Night" results program broadcast, and in the past these "News Specials" have been simultaneously broadcast via Real Player on the BBC site. No guarantees, but they do tend to do this with big news stories.
Try the DCCC resultron. Looks promising, however I guess its not impartial...
http://www.democraticaction.org/results/
Powerbook G4/1.5GHz 12", Toshiba Satellite 1135-S1554
it's great that every major news agency nbc/fox/cbs/cnn will have info but it would be nice if there was an official source like in australia...
All the torrents you could want.
Election coverage, including CNN, is another good reason to get an XM-Radio. Sirius is also good.
Wikipedia also has a page monitoring the progress of the 2004 US presidential election.
Just got back from voting in a small county just outside Louisville. I arrived before the polls opened at 6am and found there already a unusually long line. Now we do have a marraige amendment on the ballot, but I did overhear some people saying the Presidential election brought them to the polls.
Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
Don't mind Mr Frost. He can't type the letter C, so he uses the letter K instead. Apart from that that, he's perfectly alright. (Just don't say the word mattress to him, okay?)
http://www.electionprojection.com/elections2004.ht ml
For confident, unwaverying reporting, I would try the Daily Show on Comedy Central or theonion.com.
FLR
C-SPAN.org is all you need...
http://www.cspan.org/
Probably not. He's just a KDE user :)
Some quick searching shows you are a partisan hack..
Deceits 1-2
Fahrenheit 9/11 begins on election night 2000. We are first shown Al Gore rocking on stage with famous musicians and a high-spirited crowd. The conspicuous sign on stage reads "Florida Victory." Moore creates the impression that Gore was celebrating his victory in Florida. Moore's voiceover claims, "And little Stevie Wonder, he seemed so happy, like a miracle had taken place." The verb tense of past perfect ("had taken") furthers the impression that the election has been completed.
Actually, the rally took place in the early hours of election day, before polls had even opened. Gore did campaign in Florida on election day, but went home to Tennessee to await the results. The "Florida Victory" sign reflected Gore's hopes, not any actual election results. ("Gore Campaigns Into Election Day," Associated Press, Nov. 7, 2000.)
The film shows CBS and CNN calling Florida for Al Gore. According to the narrator, "Then something called the Fox News Channel called the election in favor of the other guy....All of a sudden the other networks said, 'Hey, if Fox said it, it must be true.'"
We then see NBC anchor Tom Brokaw stating, "All of us networks made a mistake and projected Florida in the Al Gore column. It was our mistake."
Moore thus creates the false impression that the networks withdrew their claim about Gore winning Florida when they heard that Fox said that Bush won Florida.
In fact, the networks which called Florida for Gore did so early in the evening--before polls had even closed in the Florida panhandle, which is part of the Central Time Zone. NBC called Florida for Gore at 7:49:40 p.m., Eastern Time. This was 10 minutes before polls closed in the Florida panhandle. Thirty seconds later, CBS called Florida for Gore. And at 7:52 p.m., Fox called Florida for Gore. Moore never lets the audience know that Fox was among the networks which made the error of calling Florida for Gore prematurely. Then at 8:02 p.m., ABC called Florida for Gore. Only ABC had waited until the Florida polls were closed.
About an hour before the polls closed in panhandle Florida, the networks called the U.S. Senate race in favor of the Democratic candidate. The networks seriously compounded the problem because from 6-7 Central Time, they repeatedly announced that polls had closed in Florida--even though polls were open in the panhandle. (See also Joan Konner, James Risser & Ben Wattenberg, Television's Performance on Election Night 2000: A Report for CNN, Jan. 29, 2001.)
The false announcements that the polls were closed, as well as the premature calls (the Presidential race ten minutes early; the Senate race an hour early), may have cost Bush thousands of votes from the conservative panhandle, as discouraged last-minute voters heard that their state had already been decided; some last-minute voters on their way to the polling place turned around and went home. Other voters who were waiting in line left the polling place. In Florida, as elsewhere, voters who have arrived at the polling place before closing time often end up voting after closing time, because of long lines. The conventional wisdom of politics is that supporters of the losing candidate are most likely to give up on voting when they hear that their side has already lost. Thus, on election night 1980, when incumbent President Jimmy Carter gave a concession speech while polls were still open on the west coast, the early concession was blamed for costing the Democrats several Congressional seats in the West, such as that of 20-year incumbent James Corman. The fact that all the networks had declared Reagan a landslide winner while west coast voting was still in progress was also blamed for Democratic losses in the West; Congress even held hearings about prohibiting the disclosure of exit polls before voting had ended in the any of the 48 contiguous states.
Even if the premature television calls affected all potential voters equally, the effect
This year, more than ever, people will be glued to their televisions because of all the media hype about the election being so close. Many clueless people will follow exit polls like sheep and wait until the last minute to vote, because they want to ensure that they vote for "the winner".
As the day progresses, some minor irregularities will be noticed in a few small towns and both sides will get their chance to whine about unfairness even before the polls close.
Of course *after* the polls close is an entirely different story.
We'll know the *first* set of official results by midnight, even before polls close in Hawaii (but who cares about Hawaii). This will be followed by subtle accusations by the [major losing party] and, as media attention builds during the remainder of this week, recounts and legal actions will be initiated.
We'll eventually get a president elected, but because the "final" results were so close, the [major losing party] will complain about how they were cheated out of the election and bitterness will ensue for the next 4 years.
The American system has become an embarrassment.
So I have to ask
Here is a site that shows the results of the latest polls around the US. He has stated he will be working all day today to provide the results. The site is already in the top 1000 web pages!
http://www.electoral-vote.com
In short, if you are making an informed decision on the ballot, by all means vote away. If not, please leave democracy in the hands of those who are competent to vote. Thank you.
This sig has absolutely no significance and serves only to take up screen space and waste the time of the reader.
To the average American (and that means average poll worker), that paragraph reads like this:
The blah are installed on blah, blah Windows computers and use blah blah to connect to the voting machines through telephone lines. Since blah is not adequately blah...
Seriously. Is this a surprise to anyone?
-S
--- What parts of "shall make no law", "shall not be infringed", and "shall not be violated" don't you understand?
If it wasn't for plagarism, where would we get our new ideas?
Remember, You are unique...just like everyone else.
Instead of spending all of your valuable time monitoring a situation that will be changing every few minutes, wait until late tonight or early tomorrow, when the results should be final (barring a repeat of the 2000 debacle). Why do you have to know interim results now now NOW? It's not like you can do anything about it. What is accomplished? Wait until it's over.
Wow, you really think
* That Gore would have declared martial law after 9/11 and tried to confiscate all your guns
* That the broad powers given under the partiot act are not much of a problem today, but they would be a huge problem under Hillary Clinton?!
amongst other things. It's just as well that your site is hard to read in Mozilla, my brain is spinning already.
That said, I agree with your conclusion of not voting for Bush, and I'll even agree that he has betrayed most of those ideals traditionally connected to the republican party.
xkcd is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
It's sad that we here in the US is stuck with an election system that is flawed and open to fraud and manipulation. It's on par with the worst election systems in the wors 3rd world countries.
Are there any 1st world country besides USA that have so many problems with their election system? Are there any other country that has to rely on the court system to get a result of an election?
If you mod me down, I *will* introduce you to my sister!
I live across the street from my polling place and have up up a web cam to monitor the election. Shoot me an email and I'll send you a link so you can monitory the election too.
It's Diebold, not Dibold.. your attempt to spread your F.U.D. about electronic voting is only making your cause look childish ...
A reporter's honesty - media integrity - will matter just as much as a ballot counter's. They're both needed for democracy to succeed.
I'm not just European. I'm French. I'll say it right up front. I'm French and I support Bush. You Americans should do the same. If only you would do the right thing and support Bush, we French would get along better with you. You act as if you despise us now, but if only you would support Bush, how grand our relationship would be! Bush is the French candidate, the Parisian candidate. Try to be more like us and support him. All right. Enough. I have to go catch a Jerry Lewis flick.
People have been getting slammed recently for mentioning there are very valid reasons not to vote. Rights don't exist in a vacuum. The right to bear arms is supposed to come with the responsibility to take up those arms to defend this country against attack. The right of free speach adds the responsibility to defend the right to speak words that offend you. Freedom of religion makes us responsible to defend all against persecution as well as using our religion to strengthen and comfort the poor, weak, and downtrodden. The right to vote comes with the responsibility to educate yourselves. Quite frankly some people ignore this responsibility to the point they really should forfeit their right to vote.
If you blindly believe everything EITHER candidate says, stay home today.
If you think CNN is the word from on high and Fox is the devil, or the other way around, please stay home.
If you believe either candidate is A) planning on using the draft or B) unwilling to use the draft if they have to, stay home today.
If you think Kerry plans on only taxing the rich, or Bush plans on only taxing the poor, stay home today.
If you believe Kerry that the top 20% paying 67% of the governments tax revenue constitutes "the middle class paying the highest burden", please stay home today.
If you believe Bush that Kerry voting against tax breaks is the same as Kerry voting for raising taxes, please stay home today.
If you think Bush is right in making a political issue of a religious commitment to marriage, for no other reason than it's wrong for gays to get married, please stay home today.
If you think you should vote for Kerry because Edwards is young and Cheney is old, please stay home today.
If you think you should vote democrat because they somehow care about your ethnic group without any specific plans on what they will do to help you personally, please stay home today.
If you think you should vote republican because they somehow care about your ethnic group without any specific plans on what they will do to help you personally, please stay home today.
If you think the "major tax break" of not having to pay FICA on overseas workers is the reason that companies save millions of dollars a year paying Achmed 12k a year over paying John 60k a year, please stay home today.
Finally, if you think T. H. Kerry is an attractive women, please gouge your eyes out.
Never confuse volume with power.
If Pennsylvania is close, then don't expect useful results for 10+ days.
Due to the late decision on Nader being off the ballot in PA, the absenteed ballots were sent out later than usual. It was decided to allow 10 days after the election to receive absentee ballots from electors in the remoter corners of the world.
And if any state is close, expect recounts, court challenges, and other shenanigans.
The there is the fact that the only ballot that counts is the Electoral College, and some states do not bind their Electors, so it could all change in December, when the E. C. meets.
While Rupert Murdoch was born in Australia, he is now a U.S. citizen. News Corp., which is the Murdoch-controlled entity that owns Fox Broadcasting, is seeking shareholder approval to re-incorporate in the United States.
I used to work in book publishing, and have also done consulting work for a major U.S. broadcast network. I've had to explain dozens of times that there is no relationship between Uncle Rupert and me. 8-)
For a low bandwidth election results page I have created at this reader's request the following:
Very Simple Returns Page http://www.casperstartribune.net/tmp/This covers only the Presidential race with both electoral and nationwide popular vote. We will be posting the results from returns collected by the AP and Reuters as well as the Lee News Service which covers several battleground states.
The Casper Star-Tribune http://www.casperstartribune.net/ also has a link to AP election results in realtime meaning you can read the results of the election at the same time that CNN, FOX, etc do. With the demise of the Voter News Service after the 2000 election the AP is they sole collector of nationwide results.
I hope this is a help.
Um, actually no its so people are far enough back from the actually booths so that there is no hint of intimidation. The "partisan" supporters will be in the same location as these OSCE observers, so I think they will actually get a better perspective. The only intimidation a voter really gets is from those partisan observers. I think the world only gets a skewed view of our elections when things go wrong. I walked in, pushed a button which lit up list of candidates and then pressed "Vote". No confusion and/or "fraud" that happened.
I voted this morning (PA) and while waiting for my wife to vote, I talk to one of the supervisors. He said the only problem they had was when they opened the polls this morning at 8:00. He said the lines stretched outside the building, along a narrow side street. Roughly 200 people in an hour. Regardless of who they voted for, at least there is actually some interest as to who actually runs the country this election.
Out of curiosity, has any Ohioian voters been challenged this morning? Personally, I think THAT is more reprehensible.
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The votemaster tells us he will be updating the results in real-time throughout the night!
The obfuscation was intentional and for your protection.
I'm sorry that you, like any other twelve year old, have discovered the secret to US election 0ownership. It's too bad you had to brag about it. We get more punks that way and each one breaks my heart. Bright enough to solve the puzzle, dumb enough to do it and then tell.
Our agents will be there to take care of your shorty. Stay where you are, running only makes things hard on you.
I'd be crying if I were not laughing.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/actnow?bid=4Bunch of links
Thus sprach higg.
I also overheard some mentions of 2 proposed amendments to the state constitution (1 banning gay marriage, 1 empowering the state supreme court to answer questions of state law for federal courts - I voted no to one, and yes to the other).
For several county positions, the incumbent is running unopposed - three of them Democrats, including the Sheriff of Walker County, Georgia. Too bad, because I was sooooo wanting to vote against him. In fact, I did - I wrote in "None of the Above".
In the end, I voted for every Libertarian on the ballot, and for Republicans when there was no Libertarian running against them, and when a Democrat was running unopposed, I wrote in "None of the Above".
"Alcohol, Tobacco, & Firearms" should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
I thought we were all supposed to come out and vote on Wednesday, Nov 3.
Republicans Urge Minorities To Get Out And Vote On Nov. 3i hope we aren't monitoring this thing until the supreme court decides who is president. hopefully there will be a clear winner and we can all move on.
Get your torrents...
Votes may be quantized, but they don't exhibit the Observer Paradox. Staring at the incomplete results all day won't change the outcome. I'll have to live with the results for years no matter what, so I generally heave a sigh of relief after voting, ignore the news for the rest of the day, and read the *actual*, *effective* result in the next day's newspaper. I can wait.
what relationship do you two have for you to even know how she smell
she give me sex every night in trade for my poop which she use as perfume
To quote the newspaper story:
"- Vi har akkurat fått beskjed om at vi ikke får være i valglokalene under valget. Vi får være i valglokalet en halv time før valglokalene åpner i morgen tidlig, og en halv time etter at de stenger klokken 1830 i morgen kveld, men ikke under selve valget, sier Hernæs til VG Nett på telefon fra Raleigh, Nord Carolina. "
"- We have just been told that we are not allowed inside the polling station during the election. We are allowed to be inside the polling station half an hour before the polling station opens tomorrow morning, and half an hour after they close at 1830 (6:30 PM) tomorrow evening, but not during the election, says Hernæs to VG Nett on the phone from Raleigh, North Carolina.
For the tinfoil map brigade, i present this national outlook map
Fox News have called it for Bush. Everyone go home there is nothing more you can do...
...oh, I'm so sorry...
How silly of me, the polls have only just opened. I sure jumped the gun a bit there, but it won't happen again, I promise!
Go to the Secretary of State website for each state your interested in.
I went to the polls in PA this morning at 6. There were already people standing on line to vote, and more were showing up early in droves. The democrats were there in full force, lying to people about having to prove their eligibility in order to vote. One woman, wearing a John Kerry button, who stated that she worked for the "Democrat Committee," who did not have the proper identification as such and did not give her name, was telling me and other people in line that we would need our ID if we wanted to vote. She stated that she was there to make sure people knew about the law, or something to that effect.
This is a blatant mistruth, as identification is required only if you have never voted in that precint before (this applies to PA only), and only if the person running the election asks for it.
If you plan to vote today at Precint 7, Ward 2, in Delaware county in Pennsylvania, beware of this woman. She has shoulder-length straight dark hair, very liberal-looking glasses (don't know how else to describe them), and was wearing a greenish overcoat this morning.
There were probably half a dozen people from Moveon.org and the Kerry campaign there intimidating people or trying to intimidate people into not voting, or into casting a vote for John Kerry.
The important thing is to vote for who you want to vote for and not to let yourself be harassed or intimidated into changing your vote or abstaining. I don't care if you're a democrat or a republican, it is despicable in the extreme to resort to these tactics. They amount to an attempt to steal the election.
For the people with less bandwidth (or the heavily addicted irc'ers), there is #election2004 on irc.freenode.net, too. we will have the current results as we get them, plus discussion that stays amazingly friendly, at least until now ;)
If you have one of several Sprint or AT&T wireless phones, you can watch live MSNBC or ABC News on your mobile phone. Check out http://www.mobitv.com/. They support a range of handsets that have color screens and support J2ME applet downloads. If you have one of the supported phones you can just open the wap browser and download the latest version and start watching TV right away. Pretty damn cool.
The latest Samsung A700 handset on Sprint is particularly spiffy, running at a decent frame rate. ~6 fps for live TV and upwards of 15 fps for the clip downloads on the SprintTV clip service (A VOD service distinct from MobiTV which is the live TV product. Mobi has a better channel lineup, and its live instead of clips.)
I consider /. an open discussion/forum, (feel free to correct me mods!), and therefore, everybody can voice their opinions. (As long as it's not abusive!)
Plus, just so you know, I'd give him points because at least he's man enough to be identified while voicing his opinions. And that my dear friend, is why people who are afraid to post likewise are listed as "Anonymous Coward's".
The main reason why I'm replying here is because I happen to disagree with what you advocate here, is concept of simply getting rid of someone because you don't like something about either their spelling, thier posting style, the way they look (or even smell!), or even thier opinion itself. All of which, in IMHO, are just the wrong reasons to remove someone. A good reason to remove someone is if they are being abusive, and you haven't proven that with your post.
Instead, all you've proven here is that you can't handle an opposing opinion without becoming antagonistic...
[Now, I'm off to lift my le... Um, visit... at another place.]
Yes. Create an account (perhaps a special one for your PDA), go to preferences, select "skins", then choose "MySkin". That one puts the information at top and the nav links at the bottom of a very simple display.
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There are really long lines at the polls.
That's the only update you need from now until 7 PM EST, when the polls close. There's nothing else to report.
At 7 PM EST, turn your FM station to NPR.
*cough*
I don't think the site will last much longer, so here's a mirror:
http://electoral-vote.bootnetworks.com/
For those that are looking for a systematic reason why a conservative or libertarian shouldn't support Bush, I have one here [blindmindseye.com].
You really should highlight your point. I can't see it.
We're running a real-time tally as each network (broadcast and cable) calls states for Bush/Kerry, and will update all night at:
http://mediamatters.org/election/
Disclosure: progressive/liberal org, but this is straight up facts with no analysis or room for editorializing.
Non-partisan? An MIT/University of California graduate, who is a Professor, who left the United States to live in Amsterdam, whose favorite reading material is the New York Times, LA Times, and Washington Post. A man who openly disagrees with Bush's policy. An excerpt:
"If other countries won't help out, Bush is going to be faced with an unpleasant choice: accept another Vietnam-type quagmire lasting for years or reinstitute the draft. There is no way we can win in Iraq with current troop levels. Something has to change. More of the same won't work. And it is an open secret that after the election, Bush is going to ask Congress for another $70 billion down payment on Iraq. Who is going to pay for it? We are."
Yeah this guy can be counted on for complete unbiased coverage!
Read it for yourself
time is a perception of a being's consciousness
time is your 6th sense, the wierd ones are 7+
interesting that you should ask that question, i just went to yahoo.com and their top headline was Online election tracking tools are plentiful. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=18 04&ncid=1804&e=1&u=/washpost/20041102/tc_washpost/ a18373_2004nov2
Anyways, up to the minute tracker won't really change much when litigation it said to take weeks
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Your state has a website someplace that lists who you can vote for. Google is your friend, find who will be on your ballot. (In some states there are also amendments or resolutions on the ballot, find out about them too, if they apply) Once you know who your choices are, google is again your friend. A simple search and you can get plenty of information.
"Frankly, if you think we're so bad, come and get us. Get all of your pansy you're-a-peon buddies over here and take us out. I and many others would be perfectly happy to pull all of our troops home and let the rest of the world go to hell."
Boy, was THAT a.c. off the mark.
I think it's pretty clear that you were referring to issues like the Oz-US copyright pacts.
Please don't regard him as typical of USers.
And you have my sympathies about the problem of US corporate&legal hegemony:
it has also happened to the EU, and it's making it VERY hard for me to find an attractive place to emigrate.
Hopefully, it's a tradition this year. At least portions of the US media projected the outcome of the 2000 election in Florida before the polls closed in the western edge of the state (i.e. Pensacola). Apparently, they forgot that the state spanned two time zones (Eastern and Central).
They flip-flopped about a couple of times before finally admitting it was too close to call. No one has conclusively determined if it affected the outcome of the Presidential election in Florida (and therefore the outcome of the 2000 election).
The BBC has a nice Flash app up to show results as they come in here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/americas/04/ vote_usa/map/html/default.stm
First of all, anyone who calls themselves christian can sanely support whoever they like; what I really don't understand why so many people who call themselves christians are so keen on the sanctity of life when it's unborn, but at the same time defend the death penalty. I mean, which part of "Thou shalt not kill" is so hard to understand, apart from maybe "Thou" ;)
no taxation without representation!
"No confusion and/or "fraud" that happened."
Note: in the following discussion, I use the word "you" frequently. I am not trying to single you out here. This is a general criticism of people who feel complacent because nothing seemed wrong. In reading it, it comes off harsher than I mean it. I just couldn't find a softer way that still made my point sufficiently.
How would you know? Did you go in and examine the electrons in the memory core to make sure your vote was stored correctly? Did you have access to the previous results to make sure that your vote updated them appropriately? Did it tell you in what precinct you were voting? Would you have been able to tell if it was wrong (i.e. do you know in what precinct you were supposed to be voting)?
If you voted electronically without a human readable paper ballot (as I did), there is no way to know if your vote was counted properly or not. You are merely assuming that there was no confusion or fraud because none was obvious to you. Of course, in 2000, thousands of Floridians thought they voted for Gore when they actually voted for Buchanan. They didn't think any confusion or fraud occurred...not until later. On the bright side, if any confusion or fraud occurred, you will probably never know. Electronic voting results are not reviewable. This will save a lot of arguments later, as there will not be any proof of election fraud. Even if the fraud existed. Convenient that.
Of course, the election monitors wouldn't have been able to determine this anyway. Electronic voting without an audit trail is worrisome exactly because potential vote fraud is invisible to the observer.
Voted in Ohio without challenge, since you asked. There was some confusion in regards to the voter in front of me. He was given a voter slip without making him sign the voter book. The election monitors could have caught that, but there is no evidence that any fraud would have occurred. They just would have been a signature short if they hadn't caught it.
The majority of the translations read "you shall not murder" and not "thou shalt not kill" Murder is a more accurate translation of the original text.
It seems that the difference between manslaughter and homicide is clear. Why would you confuse the two?
If I violate the law and am sentenced to death, I had a choice in the matter.
If I happen to be conceived in the wrong womb, it's ok to kill me? There's a big difference between ending 'innocent' life and one that made a poor choice.
Once a conceptus exists, all that is required for it to develop into what is commonly recognized as a person is essentially food and shelter. How someone can really believe that this is OK is really confusing to me.
Respectfully,
Anomaly
But Herr Heisenberg, how does the electron know when I'm looking?
Hey ozzy boy, you can view the election live at the sydney morning herald www.smh.com.au hows that for irony?
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Australians have been watching the blow-by-blow election results on TV for over 30 years, on the national broadcaster (pbs to you).
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It's got so most of the commercial channels just run an update whenever it looks like there's a result, but if you want the gory details everyone knows where to go.
Trust Americans to lose all perspective
insecurity asks the wrong question irritation gives the wrong answer
If people feel strongly about voting, by all means they should do so. But if you don't want to, don't feel you have to. Or just vote on the issues you care about.
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If the commandment is to never kill, then how could a righteous God command Israel (in the Hebrew scriptures) to enter a foreign land and kill their fighters? In some cases, God said to kill everyone - including all of the animals.
This would be completely inconsistent. God would not tell you that you must do "A" and then demand that you do "B" which is directly in conflict with "A."
It is not ok to kill civilians, and this is *not* the aim of the war in Iraq. If the moral basis for a war was eliminated with the first erroneous death, then we could never go to war.
Britain and France tried that in the 1930's. How did it work fo them?
Are you familiar with the "just war" theory?
Regards,
Anomaly
But Herr Heisenberg, how does the electron know when I'm looking?