It's just that the overwhelming majority of users run Windows and if you want a virus to spread rapidly, Windows is the platform of choice. Believe me, if everyone read their email with Emacs on Linux, there would be email viruses for that platform, too.
And, if that was the case, I could, as a semi advanced user (hell I use vi and berkely mail, but I've played with enough elisp to do this) make my emacs mail mode invulnerable to the virus after about 10 minutes of coding, and without having to recompile anything. And I seriously doubt your claim. All email viruses rely on "conviently" auto-executed code. There is little if any of that in emacs outside of hooks that only change the mode or state of emacs in some way (ie. turn syntax coloring on if the file ends in.c). Emacs has been around since the '70s, it has survived long periods of time as *the* predominant text editor without any significant viruses that I have heard of. Security can't rely on your code being on fewer computers. Security must be designed into the kernal, the APIs and each and every program used. This has been done to varying degrees of success on every unix and unix clone, and is just now, 30 something years later, being proposed on the Windows platform.
Hi, this is me conspicuously not raising my hand regarding your zlib question, just trying to back up your point (I got the 0-day fixes through apt-get updgrade). I am actually kind of irritated by the way that programs for Windows so often come with hidden system upgrades. I guess after learning Linux first, it seems like a foo install should install foo, not foo, libbar libbaz and an out of date quuxlib to replace the newer one I already had.
In many cases, and in many communities, there just wasn't that sort of thing going on.
LOL!, you just go on thinking that!
BTW, that was a fairly pathetic attempt at a straw man. Such behavior *is* normal (ie. happens commonly) and normal does *not* mean acceptable. You really think there were good old days?
...change all the MP3 files into OGG files. Just to be on the safe side. And then perhaps mangle the names and gzip them, if you're truly paranoid.
No, if you're truly paranoid, tar them, bz2 them, then gpg them, then rename the giant archive to corrupted.doc - who can blame anyone for have a giant corrupted.doc file they want to try and recover?
But I am glad you bring this point up, in the wave of slashdotters claiming that they can't shut down file sharing systems because of all the indy stuff that wants to be distributed out there.
The real question is, how many people (that have actually downloaded music) only downloaded songs they were entitled to download.I have probably downloaded about 40 or 50 mp3s either from the band's website or linked to from the band's website (ie. letting mp3.com cover bandwidth and pay them per download). I do not and have never downloaded an illegal file of any sort, if for no other reason, in most cases, it isn't hard to find someone willing to give away something comperable for little to no cost.
It is believed by some (includeing some (all?) orthodox Jews) that to put the name of God on something makes it special in some way, makes it deserve special treatment. You clearly want to minimize the number of otherwise mundane things that require special ritual treatment.
Apropos AT+T in the computer world, they innovated too much and too soon. Things from the plan9 OS to the rc shell to the sam text editor to the Acme whatsamabobit were arguably major improvements upon the mainstream, and were unarguably innovative. Not Microsoft style innovative but Edison style innovative. Main stream OS', to the extent they have changed since plan9, have approached plan9's design (distributed computing, network transparency, replacing monolithic mainframes with peer special purpose machines - one to do networking between LAN and WAN, one to serve up home directories and authenticate logins, one to store runable binaries, one or more to do long cpu and ram intensive tasks etc. that act to the user like one coherent computer). The ideas are maybe just too wierd, not what people are used to in computing, too new for them to make money on them, but we may just talk about them someday re networking and program design the way people now talk about Xerox PARC regarding UI (try out the unix port of sam, rc or wily, the unix port of acme, to see what I am talking about- you will have to RTFM, they all take a while to figure out, but they are all definitely innovative. If they were just released yesterday, they would still be innovative).
You may find this might do the trick for especially tough documents "I am so very very very happy that you are so very very nice" verys seperated by line breaks should be dealt with with a tool like ssam, for which newline is just another character (I can't think of a sed hack that would deal with such a situation properly- maybe join two adjacent lines if one contains a very at the end and the next a very at the beginning before the pattern matching?)
Well, actually, about Linux 2.2, Debian Potato uses 2.2.19 (what I'm running), and Debian Potato is still maintained (for now... soon to be outdated), and has a *very* good security record.
It is interesting that you bring up the software analogy, because, as much as it is under my power, I only use Free software. Not because of cost, mind you, but because of the content control issues you bring up, and a conviction that sharing what I have with others, whether someone else is selling the same thing or not, is not wrong. Sadly, I cannot *have* non-free software, even if I pay for it, so I prefer software I can have and therefore give. Back to the issue of music, I do not want to support the music industry as it exists right now, and have no objection to them making it more difficult, even illegal, to listen to the music they own. As the solution to fucked up software licenses is Free software, the solution to fucked up multimedia copy protection is music that is Free (still paid for, but free to copy and sample and listen to in multiple formats). I say this as a composer a performer and a programmer, as well as a computer user and music listener.
Pardon my language, but why should I give a shit if the music industry is destroyed? I *do not* buy RIAA member label music. I yell at people and make them turn it off if they try to play it (or anything that sounds like it) in my house. I do not 'consume' music, as you put it. I listen to music. And the music I want to listen to will be as available after the flaming and painful death of the RIAA as it is now. And if you need to know, I have never downloaded music on the internet except from a link on the composer's home page (one of those nice things you can offer to fans if you do not heve a RIAA member label contract).
They already collect a flat fee - the tax on blank music CDRs.
And that pisses me of, because I make music, and when I use CDRs, it is to make copys of *my* material, something that in no way belongs to the RIAA.
But the vast majority of that money never makes it to the artists
That is because a RIAA member signed artist will rarely, if ever have *any* right to or ownership of the material they produce while under contract. The album belongs to the label, the song belongs to the label, even the name of the band usually becomes property of the record label. All the artist owns in the most common case is some percentage of the profit on the material they provide. The way things are now, quite literally, the label owns the artist's work, just like MS owns the work of one of their programmers.
The role of a composer is an intersting economic problem. The history of the career goes something like this - 1 play your composition and someone feeds you 2 teach your composition to a musician who barters something of value. 3 get room and board from a nobleman who shows off the compositions you make in his care. 4 (where we are now) Own the right to make copies of and perform your composition, an entitlement to earn a certain sum from each person who learns your composition and for each public performance or audio reproduction of it.
Composers, authors, and inventors are in a strange role in a labor economy, they do not simply get a fixed fee for a fixed time spent working or a fixed output. They are granted a reward for each time their work is appreciated (the only economic alternative it seems would be to set a *very* high one time price for the creator's contribution to humanity, if composers are to be rewarded economicly).
I like the idea of nametags with the nick on one side and Anonymous Coward on the other, that could be easily flipped over. And pin the first post on the troll sounds good. Or maybe pin the mod on the troll. I can just imagine the fillibustering (ie. face to face crapflood).
C'mon, you know the trolls would be drawing messages on the bathroom walls. "For a good time, click on a goatse link" that kind of thing. Hey! I just thought of something! We could track down the goatse man and give him some kind of special trolling prize! Make him a special guest of the conference...
I know you mean well and all, but pine is only saved from problems like this through lack of functionality. Pine is in fact a poorly designed program from the nice folks who brought you wu-ftpd (the security skeleton in Open Source's closet). Try good old Berkely mail[x] for just reading text or mutt for the fancy stuff.
WTF? Despite all of history's evidence to the contrary, you think government should work this way?
it works for software and other engineering, design, and business projects when people enter into the agreement voluntarily.
Exactly. Freedom of association is the one freedom no government can grant while remaining a government (if you define association to include degree of association as well). By the way, it is ludicrous that your post, neither off-topic nor a troll or flame, is rated right now at 0.
"Ideally the world would work in a similar way"? The thing is, when it comes to Linux, you have free association. You can freely chose to use or not to use, contribute to or not contribute to, the Linux project. This is not the case with many things as they are now in the rest of the world, every nation has compulsory systems you cannot opt into, because you have no recognized choice in whether you take part. You cannot chose not to participate in the propping up of Enrons, the state funded perpetuation of the Microsoft monopoly, governmental propping up of failed businesses (S&L ect.). The world is not lacking in dicators, benevolent or otherwise, what it lacks is freedom of association.
Slashdot Mirror
duh...
And, if that was the case, I could, as a semi advanced user (hell I use vi and berkely mail, but I've played with enough elisp to do this) make my emacs mail mode invulnerable to the virus after about 10 minutes of coding, and without having to recompile anything. And I seriously doubt your claim. All email viruses rely on "conviently" auto-executed code. There is little if any of that in emacs outside of hooks that only change the mode or state of emacs in some way (ie. turn syntax coloring on if the file ends in .c). Emacs has been around since the '70s, it has survived long periods of time as *the* predominant text editor without any significant viruses that I have heard of. Security can't rely on your code being on fewer computers. Security must be designed into the kernal, the APIs and each and every program used. This has been done to varying degrees of success on every unix and unix clone, and is just now, 30 something years later, being proposed on the Windows platform.
Hi, this is me conspicuously not raising my hand regarding your zlib question, just trying to back up your point (I got the 0-day fixes through apt-get updgrade). I am actually kind of irritated by the way that programs for Windows so often come with hidden system upgrades. I guess after learning Linux first, it seems like a foo install should install foo, not foo, libbar libbaz and an out of date quuxlib to replace the newer one I already had.
Bath, Michigan, 1927
Man, that is a sad
story
LOL!, you just go on thinking that!
BTW, that was a fairly pathetic attempt at a straw man. Such behavior *is* normal (ie. happens commonly) and normal does *not* mean acceptable. You really think there were good old days?
Umm... the article you link to says that the class was in *no way* University funded, not to mention anyone's tax dollars.
Seriously, though, do you find sex offensive?
I'm not flaming, just want to know, because it seems implicit in your statement that you do.
No, if you're truly paranoid, tar them, bz2 them, then gpg them, then rename the giant archive to corrupted.doc - who can blame anyone for have a giant corrupted .doc file they want to try and recover?
the first sentance of my reply should have been part of the italicized quite.... oopsy
The real question is, how many people (that have actually downloaded music) only downloaded songs they were entitled to download.I have probably downloaded about 40 or 50 mp3s either from the band's website or linked to from the band's website (ie. letting mp3.com cover bandwidth and pay them per download). I do not and have never downloaded an illegal file of any sort, if for no other reason, in most cases, it isn't hard to find someone willing to give away something comperable for little to no cost.
It is believed by some (includeing some (all?) orthodox Jews) that to put the name of God on something makes it special in some way, makes it deserve special treatment. You clearly want to minimize the number of otherwise mundane things that require special ritual treatment.
Wow, that's right, and to think, we just call it trolling aroung these parts...
me too :P
Apropos AT+T in the computer world, they innovated too much and too soon. Things from the plan9 OS to the rc shell to the sam text editor to the Acme whatsamabobit were arguably major improvements upon the mainstream, and were unarguably innovative. Not Microsoft style innovative but Edison style innovative. Main stream OS', to the extent they have changed since plan9, have approached plan9's design (distributed computing, network transparency, replacing monolithic mainframes with peer special purpose machines - one to do networking between LAN and WAN, one to serve up home directories and authenticate logins, one to store runable binaries, one or more to do long cpu and ram intensive tasks etc. that act to the user like one coherent computer). The ideas are maybe just too wierd, not what people are used to in computing, too new for them to make money on them, but we may just talk about them someday re networking and program design the way people now talk about Xerox PARC regarding UI (try out the unix port of sam, rc or wily, the unix port of acme, to see what I am talking about- you will have to RTFM, they all take a while to figure out, but they are all definitely innovative. If they were just released yesterday, they would still be innovative).
C'mon guys, an unoptimized beta of ed can kick both the ass of either notepad or simpletext no problem. Hell, I bet even sam could kick their asses.
You may find this might do the trick for especially tough documents "I am so very very very happy that you are so very very nice" verys seperated by line breaks should be dealt with with a tool like ssam, for which newline is just another character (I can't think of a sed hack that would deal with such a situation properly- maybe join two adjacent lines if one contains a very at the end and the next a very at the beginning before the pattern matching?)
/g'
sed 's/very \{very \}+/extremely
Well, actually, about Linux 2.2, Debian Potato uses 2.2.19 (what I'm running), and Debian Potato is still maintained (for now... soon to be outdated), and has a *very* good security record.
It is interesting that you bring up the software analogy, because, as much as it is under my power, I only use Free software. Not because of cost, mind you, but because of the content control issues you bring up, and a conviction that sharing what I have with others, whether someone else is selling the same thing or not, is not wrong. Sadly, I cannot *have* non-free software, even if I pay for it, so I prefer software I can have and therefore give. Back to the issue of music, I do not want to support the music industry as it exists right now, and have no objection to them making it more difficult, even illegal, to listen to the music they own. As the solution to fucked up software licenses is Free software, the solution to fucked up multimedia copy protection is music that is Free (still paid for, but free to copy and sample and listen to in multiple formats). I say this as a composer a performer and a programmer, as well as a computer user and music listener.
Pardon my language, but why should I give a shit if the music industry is destroyed? I *do not* buy RIAA member label music. I yell at people and make them turn it off if they try to play it (or anything that sounds like it) in my house. I do not 'consume' music, as you put it. I listen to music. And the music I want to listen to will be as available after the flaming and painful death of the RIAA as it is now. And if you need to know, I have never downloaded music on the internet except from a link on the composer's home page (one of those nice things you can offer to fans if you do not heve a RIAA member label contract).
And that pisses me of, because I make music, and when I use CDRs, it is to make copys of *my* material, something that in no way belongs to the RIAA.
But the vast majority of that money never makes it to the artists
That is because a RIAA member signed artist will rarely, if ever have *any* right to or ownership of the material they produce while under contract. The album belongs to the label, the song belongs to the label, even the name of the band usually becomes property of the record label. All the artist owns in the most common case is some percentage of the profit on the material they provide. The way things are now, quite literally, the label owns the artist's work, just like MS owns the work of one of their programmers.
The role of a composer is an intersting economic problem. The history of the career goes something like this -
1 play your composition and someone feeds you
2 teach your composition to a musician who barters something of value.
3 get room and board from a nobleman who shows off the compositions you make in his care.
4 (where we are now) Own the right to make copies of and perform your composition, an entitlement to earn a certain sum from each person who learns your composition and for each public performance or audio reproduction of it.
Composers, authors, and inventors are in a strange role in a labor economy, they do not simply get a fixed fee for a fixed time spent working or a fixed output. They are granted a reward for each time their work is appreciated (the only economic alternative it seems would be to set a *very* high one time price for the creator's contribution to humanity, if composers are to be rewarded economicly).
I like the idea of nametags with the nick on one side and Anonymous Coward on the other, that could be easily flipped over. And pin the first post on the troll sounds good. Or maybe pin the mod on the troll. I can just imagine the fillibustering (ie. face to face crapflood).
C'mon, you know the trolls would be drawing messages on the bathroom walls. "For a good time, click on a goatse link" that kind of thing. Hey! I just thought of something! We could track down the goatse man and give him some kind of special trolling prize! Make him a special guest of the conference...
or not...
I know you mean well and all, but pine is only saved from problems like this through lack of functionality. Pine is in fact a poorly designed program from the nice folks who brought you wu-ftpd (the security skeleton in Open Source's closet). Try good old Berkely mail[x] for just reading text or mutt for the fancy stuff.
it works for software and other engineering, design, and business projects when people enter into the agreement voluntarily.
Exactly. Freedom of association is the one freedom no government can grant while remaining a government (if you define association to include degree of association as well). By the way, it is ludicrous that your post, neither off-topic nor a troll or flame, is rated right now at 0.
"Ideally the world would work in a similar way"? The thing is, when it comes to Linux, you have free association. You can freely chose to use or not to use, contribute to or not contribute to, the Linux project. This is not the case with many things as they are now in the rest of the world, every nation has compulsory systems you cannot opt into, because you have no recognized choice in whether you take part. You cannot chose not to participate in the propping up of Enrons, the state funded perpetuation of the Microsoft monopoly, governmental propping up of failed businesses (S&L ect.). The world is not lacking in dicators, benevolent or otherwise, what it lacks is freedom of association.