It's really simple. Refuse to talk to her unless you get her undivided attention. Don't give up in frustration, simply politely tell her you're going now since she's busy. If she complains tell her you're happy to talk on the phone if you have her attention. If she complains point out how rude it is to have to repeat yourself and how frustrated you get. If she gives a damn she'll stop (or at least cut down and try very hard). Really is that simple.
My fiancee and I met online. We were friends for ages, then one day I asked her if she'd like a phone call. She said yes, and we got off the phone after the first of many 5+ hour conversations. A handful of months later we'd moved in together (happened quicker than it might have otherwise because she got very ill). I find I can have 100% of her attention on the phone if she's not distracted or 0% of her attention in person if we're visiting her family that she rarely sees. However most of the time she makes time for me, so I'm fine.
It's got nothing to do with technology. It's called common courtesy and if she won't give you that early on, get out now!
Linux is not hard for beginners to use....if all they want to do is surf the web, email, write the odd SMALL document (and not share it).
Granted, and true. Better set up everything perfectly for them though or they might have to manually edit files to get a firewall or connection working. As for installing all but the simplest software forget it! And a new bit of hardware - good luck!
Glad you like DRM. The MPAA and RIAA like it too. So does Apple iTunes. They all agree taht they can't wait till your Mac crashes so you'll use their DRM crippled garbage again. Have fun being a good little consumer.
How about a political system not rooted in the dark ages and/or religion, that recognises the need for reward, freedom, and self determination, without encouraging people to take advantage of each other the way captilism, communism and even socialism unfortunately do? Just because you can't suggest something better, doesn't mean we shouldn't put our best minds to work finding it.
Trouble is with war technology getting ever more sophisticated, eventually everyone has such powerful weapons that if war is waged everyone loses (mutually assured destruction). Then it only takes one madman to kill us all.
Bin Laden has a huge heap of money. Most people with similar sized money-heaps in the US are pretty free too......unless they try to spend more than $10k at a time apparently:-)
The dreams the majority of us hold usually are tied to acquiring copious amounts of wealth, things, gadgets, cars, property, etc. This wasn't always so, it's actually pretty new.
My, my we are wet behind the ears.
What you have (or don't have) has always determined (or at least limited) what you're able to do - from saving your child's life with that much needed organ transplant, to sailing away to the bahamas for a year on a whim.
This isn't new human behaviour at all. People have always valued propety so much they've killed each other over it.
Go read some Shakespeare, or if that's too modern for you, ancient greek tragedies. In fact I'm sure you could find cave paintings! It's not new at all.
Glad you had ZERO problems going to X.org. Truely I am. But not everyone had that experience. This is typical of the mentality that puts users off Linux. ("I didn't have any problems, therefore you won't and if you have had any its your fault and you're stupid and just don't understand")
Back in my day you had to make the pen and paper out of twigs and papyrus, and if you ran out of ink you'd just jab it into your arm and use blood, and we liked it!
Spoken like someone who doesn't bother to RTFM. Hey bud, Windows and OS X are for people *just like you*. Linux isn't for everyone, you know.
Spoken like a pimply basement dwelling troll with a chip on his shoulder.
Why on this green Earth should I give a shit? I mean, really; do you think I hang out on Linux help forums to make friends? Jesus H., that would be pretty fucking pathetic, don't you think?
Did I say you should care? The grandparent was having a rant about why Linux wasn't being adopted and I pointed out what I believe is a bigger problem. If you're wondering out loud as the grandparent does why Linux isn't being taken up I'm giving one very good reason. If you don't like that or couldn't give a shit as you put it why even comment?
And as for Slashdot, most of us here seem to be more interesting in making enemies, not friends. Just take a look at my freak show to see how well I've mastered that maneuver.
All hail your mighty ability to annoy other people.
If I wanted to make friends, I'd probably choose some venue in that place called "real life". Preferably one stocked with hot Asian chicks, not fat near-sighted smelly geeks.
Hey whatever floats your boat. But if you approach them with the same tact and social grace, I'd suggest you also bring lots of cash.
That's a trivial example for the SQL. Note that if you'd written that in HQL, you'd have to re-write to normal SQL. Want a more solid example? Try writing HQL that does a group by using an aggregate function (like sum). It's fine to do in SQL, but in HQL forget it. There are other examples out there but that's one that bit me.
As for the Hibernate tools everything I'm reading says you control reverse engineering etc. using XML files. If you're telling me I don't need to hand write them I'll have to take a look at the Eclipse tools more closely. Last time I looked (last year) these tools were very new and not quite there but they'd already discontinued the old tools.
* Isn't compatbile with anyone else's software, so you can't share information
* People insist that you should be grateful for even if it's buggy rubbish, because it's free and they didn't pay for it so they have no rights
* Isn't common enough that if you have a problem, someone's bound to have a common workaround.
Basically the biggest thing Linux has to get over here is the RTFM attitude that's displayed on/. all the time. I've seen people call others names on these forums as a first response to something, because they got something technical wrong. Linux zealots need to get some social skills. You'll never make friends or convince someone to switch to your software by dismissing their concerns or calling them stupid since you've never had the same problem. I see this happen all the time.
Yes, I'd seen the page you're pointing at. Incomplete documentation though, and it's not immediately clear to me if this gives me the same GUI based ease as the Hibernate 2 toolset gave. From what I can tell tools aren't quite there yet but they decided to retire the old Hibernate toolset before they had a reliable substitute. Not good enough.
HQL has major limitations but you can rip out into native SQL using createSQLQuery() I believe.
Have you ever done it? It's awkward and you end up hand mapping from a result set. There may or may not be a better way but frankly I find the Hibernate documentation abysmal, the versions of Hibernate aren't backward compatible, and to top it off the mediators on the Hibernate forums tend to tell you to read the documentation if you raise a legimate concern (if they're being polite that day).
When selecting aggregates, JDBC works well. But Hibernate is pretty amazing if you are aware of its limitations. 90% of my code uses hibernate, 10% uses jdbc.
You've doubled your complexity. You're using 2 different ways of doing everything - from the query language to the actual object mapping.
And the code that uses hibernate is pretty neat, it cuts down dev time significantly
I have to disagree with that one I'm afraid. You just move mapping code into hibernate configs instead, and end up having to debug both.
I use hibernate tools in eclipse, point it to the DB and it generates all the classes, parsing foreign keys, making the associations.
You must be using Hibernate 2. Hibernate 3 removes and deprecates the hibernate tools, substituting a very flexible but much less graphical ant based tool, though I believe people are attempting to writing mapping tools on top of that. (Please let me know if I'm wrong on this one. If you're doing this in Hibernate 3 I'd appreciate being pointed to the tool. No sarcasm here.)
Don't get me wrong, I like to be unique and cynical, against the grain if you will, but hibernate, despite the jerk off creator of it, is amazing and useful.
I've got no interest in being cynical and against the grain. Rather I'm totally dishearted by the rubbish that gets pedaled as if it were pure genius. I mean for pity sake move the mappings from strongly typed Java code to XML hell configs then claim to be really configurable and reusable??? Come on, who's actually reused a hibernate mapping for more than one class??? Then they somehow magically claim you don't have to write code, ignoring the XML. This has always just ticked me off.
I was at a Spring conference the other day, and the amount of smoke and mirror handwaving rubbish I heard amazed me - more because people took notice of it and thought it was wonderful than for the fact that someone could say it.
As for the rest, I've never dealt with the Hibernate team but I've read enough of their posts that I know I don't want to.
You need to make sure you use the simplest framework BUT does !!!everything!!! you need.
There's a lot of over-engineered crap out there. eg. EJBs were in fashion but they were always over-engineered. Spring's in fashion now but when the honeymoon's over people will realise that Spring is just wrapper technology for existing frameworks and that it's hyped up junk too. Another example: Try and do anything complex with Hibernate and HQL. In the case of DB, SQL works so well. Plain JDBC and SQL with a little bit of intellgent in-house or 3rd party framework wrapping really isn't that bad for goodness sake people.
At the end of the day you have to choose and use them, but you don't need to swap yourself with design patterns that give you flexibility you don't need and want.
Choose a handful of well known, well proven frameworks. Less frameworks is better (which is why J2EE has turned into a nightmare - too many frameworks and too much reliance on one another).
Very original. Oh wait. Where have I heard these words before?
I wasn't the one that started the "You must be new here" BS.
If that had been all he'd said, I would have been gentler.
He didn't abuse you. You did abuse him. As far as I'm concerned you at best managed to sink lower. Congrats.
There may well be, though I suspect that many use GS code under the hood.
Who cares? Certainly not most end users. They only care if it works or not. You demonstrated by pointing him to something that doesn't work so well. Congrats again.
Total care that you think I'm a fool. Zero. You sir have the social skills of an intellectually handicapped gnat. Good day.
Computers are a tool. They are meant to empower. Don't try to bring up your kids in the stone age. By all means make their early experience varied - take them into the great outdoors - teach them to paint and colour. But why not also teach them photography, and photo editing on a computer, and word processing and all the rest. Children are sponges. They'll pick it all up and won't spend their childhood telling you they're bored.
Computers are also great for simulating those things that are too dangerous to do for real, but that have educational value. (Would you let your kid pilot a Cessna? No. Would you let them fiddle with a flight sim? Well I would!)
Also, these days familiarity and exposure to computers are an important skill. If you hide the computers away till they're in their teens, you'll have kids that are less suited to the real world where computers are used every day. Since a child does a lot of learning in their earliest years, things learnt later in life are often less well absored. Thats' why teaching kids calculus and algebra and languages EARLY in life is a good idea. (Pressuring them is not, but in a low pressure environment witness how many children grasp 2 languages in a bilingual home without much effort).
If you want to spend your life remonstrating with anonymous posters about their lack of civility you have a long disappointing task ahead of you.
I see how it's lost on you.
Good luck.
Thanks.
Though I personally rarely indulge in name-calling these days, in this case it seemed appropriate
A personal attack on someone who has made a factual error is not at all appropriate. Do you often get called an idiot? How does it feel?
For goodness sake the information you gave was bollox as well. There are much better free PDF solutions than Ghostscript out there. Have you ever tried to get around the limitations of Ghostscript on windows? Nice bit of arrogance there.
In real life, of course, I'd just back away from someone expressing their ignorance in such a way.
For future reference, that's called cowardice, and a complete lack of tact and social skills. Nice proof your interest wasn't in being informative etc.
You could just as easily have said "What about Ghostscript, that's free and does PDF." or even told the poster to check his facts before posting. But no, "Idiot. Ghostscript". Very succinct. Exactly correct. Very unhelpful. Very rude. You managed to turn it into a pissing contest. You were being the archtypical alpha geek, and you're defending this behaviour.
I didn't mod my post, if someone did think it was "informative" or whatever take it up with them.
How precisely should I do that given that who modded isn't public. By any chance, would it be common practice here to reply to the modded comment and point out that there's a problem with it? Oh wait, that's what I did.
My point was exactly that the argument was trivially refuted
Your point was to call someone who posted a comment with a factual error in it a fool. Any other side effect is just a bonus.
not that Ghostscript is an arcane subject only I know about.
Frankly, I doubt you know that much about it. But that again is typical here. Occassional end users spouting off as if they're experts.
I don't think we're actually saying different things. I don't think it's good to attack people who have disabilities but I think it's important to give them every opportunity to overcome or compensate for them. I think you agree.
Yes I absolutely do agree. What concerned me about your posts was that you seemed to be assessing their disabilities while you're not qualified to do so. You also seemed to be taking a very hard line against a general problem faced by a lot of people. It is only natural that some of these people will cope through denial, and by being dismissive of the problem. I'm not for one second suggesting that we shouldn't try to help them. I'm just saying we should agree that some people aren't going to do better - either because they find it hard, or because its quite literally beyond their ability. These people shouldn't be degraded or thrown on the scrap heap. They absolutely do need assistance, and that can come in a wide variety of forms - from specialised training (which first requires a correct diagnosis if they do have a disability) - to, in more extreme cases, finding professional work that does not require higher learning, and getting on with the rest of their lives.
As for those that are just plain lazy, they suffer the consequences. Again if they're good in other areas they can lead a fulfilled life, they just should not be allowed to become chemical scientists etc.
We're all good at some things and poor at others, and that includes the most critical things in life.
Unfortunately there seems to be a growing attitude that poor writing skills are not a disability.
Again we're in agreement for the most part, so long as we clarify that disability here does not necessarily refer to a learning disability but a condition that makes a person less able to fulfil a function - in this case communicating coherently. This may have come about from a lack of education or laziness, or it may well have come about as a result of a learning disability.
The fight isn't with people who write poorly, it's with those who believe that expressing yourself clearly is not important.
We do agree that there are many times when writing clearly is important. I think its a lot more important in professional situations.
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It's really simple. Refuse to talk to her unless you get her undivided attention. Don't give up in frustration, simply politely tell her you're going now since she's busy. If she complains tell her you're happy to talk on the phone if you have her attention. If she complains point out how rude it is to have to repeat yourself and how frustrated you get. If she gives a damn she'll stop (or at least cut down and try very hard). Really is that simple.
My fiancee and I met online. We were friends for ages, then one day I asked her if she'd like a phone call. She said yes, and we got off the phone after the first of many 5+ hour conversations. A handful of months later we'd moved in together (happened quicker than it might have otherwise because she got very ill). I find I can have 100% of her attention on the phone if she's not distracted or 0% of her attention in person if we're visiting her family that she rarely sees. However most of the time she makes time for me, so I'm fine.
It's got nothing to do with technology. It's called common courtesy and if she won't give you that early on, get out now!
Linux is not hard for beginners to use. ...if all they want to do is surf the web, email, write the odd SMALL document (and not share it).
Granted, and true. Better set up everything perfectly for them though or they might have to manually edit files to get a firewall or connection working. As for installing all but the simplest software forget it! And a new bit of hardware - good luck!
Sammy
Glad you like DRM. The MPAA and RIAA like it too. So does Apple iTunes. They all agree taht they can't wait till your Mac crashes so you'll use their DRM crippled garbage again. Have fun being a good little consumer.
How about a political system not rooted in the dark ages and/or religion, that recognises the need for reward, freedom, and self determination, without encouraging people to take advantage of each other the way captilism, communism and even socialism unfortunately do? Just because you can't suggest something better, doesn't mean we shouldn't put our best minds to work finding it.
Trouble is with war technology getting ever more sophisticated, eventually everyone has such powerful weapons that if war is waged everyone loses (mutually assured destruction). Then it only takes one madman to kill us all.
Of course you should force everyone to use GMail. Privacy and security is only for businesses. Human beings don't need it.
*shakes head*
Bin Laden has a huge heap of money. Most people with similar sized money-heaps in the US are pretty free too... ...unless they try to spend more than $10k at a time apparently :-)
From the article:
Eventually, his and his wife's money was freed up.
The flags were cleared, they didn't lose money, they don't live under a cloud of suspicion.
Fine then. Hand me all your money. I'll give you a receipt and give it back to you in a month.
Oh you have mouths to feed and bills to pay?
So much for no problem. What you meant to say is it didn't happen to you and therefore it's not your problem.
Get a clue.
The dreams the majority of us hold usually are tied to acquiring copious amounts of wealth, things, gadgets, cars, property, etc. This wasn't always so, it's actually pretty new.
My, my we are wet behind the ears.
What you have (or don't have) has always determined (or at least limited) what you're able to do - from saving your child's life with that much needed organ transplant, to sailing away to the bahamas for a year on a whim.
This isn't new human behaviour at all. People have always valued propety so much they've killed each other over it.
Go read some Shakespeare, or if that's too modern for you, ancient greek tragedies. In fact I'm sure you could find cave paintings! It's not new at all.
Glad you had ZERO problems going to X.org. Truely I am. But not everyone had that experience. This is typical of the mentality that puts users off Linux. ("I didn't have any problems, therefore you won't and if you have had any its your fault and you're stupid and just don't understand")
Bad idea. Didn't you guys get the memo?
ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS EXCEPT EUROPA.
ATTEMPT NO LANDINGS THERE.
That Memo has been superceded. New memo reads:
ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US.
Sssshhhhh be vwey vewy quiet. I'm hunting secwets! eheheheheheheh.
You're using a computer! LAZY!!!!!
Back in my day you had to make the pen and paper out of twigs and papyrus, and if you ran out of ink you'd just jab it into your arm and use blood, and we liked it!
Cars? Don't get me started on cards.
Spoken like someone who doesn't bother to RTFM. Hey bud, Windows and OS X are for people *just like you*. Linux isn't for everyone, you know.
Spoken like a pimply basement dwelling troll with a chip on his shoulder.
Why on this green Earth should I give a shit? I mean, really; do you think I hang out on Linux help forums to make friends? Jesus H., that would be pretty fucking pathetic, don't you think?
Did I say you should care? The grandparent was having a rant about why Linux wasn't being adopted and I pointed out what I believe is a bigger problem. If you're wondering out loud as the grandparent does why Linux isn't being taken up I'm giving one very good reason. If you don't like that or couldn't give a shit as you put it why even comment?
And as for Slashdot, most of us here seem to be more interesting in making enemies, not friends. Just take a look at my freak show to see how well I've mastered that maneuver.
All hail your mighty ability to annoy other people.
If I wanted to make friends, I'd probably choose some venue in that place called "real life". Preferably one stocked with hot Asian chicks, not fat near-sighted smelly geeks.
Hey whatever floats your boat. But if you approach them with the same tact and social grace, I'd suggest you also bring lots of cash.
That's a trivial example for the SQL. Note that if you'd written that in HQL, you'd have to re-write to normal SQL. Want a more solid example? Try writing HQL that does a group by using an aggregate function (like sum). It's fine to do in SQL, but in HQL forget it. There are other examples out there but that's one that bit me.
As for the Hibernate tools everything I'm reading says you control reverse engineering etc. using XML files. If you're telling me I don't need to hand write them I'll have to take a look at the Eclipse tools more closely. Last time I looked (last year) these tools were very new and not quite there but they'd already discontinued the old tools.
People also don't want software that:
/. all the time. I've seen people call others names on these forums as a first response to something, because they got something technical wrong. Linux zealots need to get some social skills. You'll never make friends or convince someone to switch to your software by dismissing their concerns or calling them stupid since you've never had the same problem. I see this happen all the time.
* Isn't compatbile with anyone else's software, so you can't share information
* People insist that you should be grateful for even if it's buggy rubbish, because it's free and they didn't pay for it so they have no rights
* Isn't common enough that if you have a problem, someone's bound to have a common workaround.
Basically the biggest thing Linux has to get over here is the RTFM attitude that's displayed on
Thanks Rene. I'll take a look.
Yes, I'd seen the page you're pointing at. Incomplete documentation though, and it's not immediately clear to me if this gives me the same GUI based ease as the Hibernate 2 toolset gave. From what I can tell tools aren't quite there yet but they decided to retire the old Hibernate toolset before they had a reliable substitute. Not good enough.
Thanks though.
HQL has major limitations but you can rip out into native SQL using createSQLQuery() I believe.
Have you ever done it? It's awkward and you end up hand mapping from a result set. There may or may not be a better way but frankly I find the Hibernate documentation abysmal, the versions of Hibernate aren't backward compatible, and to top it off the mediators on the Hibernate forums tend to tell you to read the documentation if you raise a legimate concern (if they're being polite that day).
When selecting aggregates, JDBC works well. But Hibernate is pretty amazing if you are aware of its limitations. 90% of my code uses hibernate, 10% uses jdbc.
You've doubled your complexity. You're using 2 different ways of doing everything - from the query language to the actual object mapping.
And the code that uses hibernate is pretty neat, it cuts down dev time significantly
I have to disagree with that one I'm afraid. You just move mapping code into hibernate configs instead, and end up having to debug both.
I use hibernate tools in eclipse, point it to the DB and it generates all the classes, parsing foreign keys, making the associations.
You must be using Hibernate 2. Hibernate 3 removes and deprecates the hibernate tools, substituting a very flexible but much less graphical ant based tool, though I believe people are attempting to writing mapping tools on top of that. (Please let me know if I'm wrong on this one. If you're doing this in Hibernate 3 I'd appreciate being pointed to the tool. No sarcasm here.)
Don't get me wrong, I like to be unique and cynical, against the grain if you will, but hibernate, despite the jerk off creator of it, is amazing and useful.
I've got no interest in being cynical and against the grain. Rather I'm totally dishearted by the rubbish that gets pedaled as if it were pure genius. I mean for pity sake move the mappings from strongly typed Java code to XML hell configs then claim to be really configurable and reusable??? Come on, who's actually reused a hibernate mapping for more than one class??? Then they somehow magically claim you don't have to write code, ignoring the XML. This has always just ticked me off.
I was at a Spring conference the other day, and the amount of smoke and mirror handwaving rubbish I heard amazed me - more because people took notice of it and thought it was wonderful than for the fact that someone could say it.
As for the rest, I've never dealt with the Hibernate team but I've read enough of their posts that I know I don't want to.
You need to make sure you use the simplest framework BUT does !!!everything!!! you need.
There's a lot of over-engineered crap out there. eg. EJBs were in fashion but they were always over-engineered. Spring's in fashion now but when the honeymoon's over people will realise that Spring is just wrapper technology for existing frameworks and that it's hyped up junk too. Another example: Try and do anything complex with Hibernate and HQL. In the case of DB, SQL works so well. Plain JDBC and SQL with a little bit of intellgent in-house or 3rd party framework wrapping really isn't that bad for goodness sake people.
At the end of the day you have to choose and use them, but you don't need to swap yourself with design patterns that give you flexibility you don't need and want.
Choose a handful of well known, well proven frameworks. Less frameworks is better (which is why J2EE has turned into a nightmare - too many frameworks and too much reliance on one another).
Hey, pissing contest!
Very original. Oh wait. Where have I heard these words before?
I wasn't the one that started the "You must be new here" BS.
If that had been all he'd said, I would have been gentler.
He didn't abuse you. You did abuse him. As far as I'm concerned you at best managed to sink lower. Congrats.
There may well be, though I suspect that many use GS code under the hood.
Who cares? Certainly not most end users. They only care if it works or not. You demonstrated by pointing him to something that doesn't work so well. Congrats again.
Total care that you think I'm a fool. Zero. You sir have the social skills of an intellectually handicapped gnat. Good day.
Computers are a tool. They are meant to empower. Don't try to bring up your kids in the stone age. By all means make their early experience varied - take them into the great outdoors - teach them to paint and colour. But why not also teach them photography, and photo editing on a computer, and word processing and all the rest. Children are sponges. They'll pick it all up and won't spend their childhood telling you they're bored.
Computers are also great for simulating those things that are too dangerous to do for real, but that have educational value. (Would you let your kid pilot a Cessna? No. Would you let them fiddle with a flight sim? Well I would!)
Also, these days familiarity and exposure to computers are an important skill. If you hide the computers away till they're in their teens, you'll have kids that are less suited to the real world where computers are used every day. Since a child does a lot of learning in their earliest years, things learnt later in life are often less well absored. Thats' why teaching kids calculus and algebra and languages EARLY in life is a good idea. (Pressuring them is not, but in a low pressure environment witness how many children grasp 2 languages in a bilingual home without much effort).
You must be very new to the Internet
Oh yeah. First login around 1995. Very new.
If you want to spend your life remonstrating with anonymous posters about their lack of civility you have a long disappointing task ahead of you.
I see how it's lost on you.
Good luck.
Thanks.
Though I personally rarely indulge in name-calling these days, in this case it seemed appropriate
A personal attack on someone who has made a factual error is not at all appropriate. Do you often get called an idiot? How does it feel?
For goodness sake the information you gave was bollox as well. There are much better free PDF solutions than Ghostscript out there. Have you ever tried to get around the limitations of Ghostscript on windows? Nice bit of arrogance there.
In real life, of course, I'd just back away from someone expressing their ignorance in such a way.
For future reference, that's called cowardice, and a complete lack of tact and social skills. Nice proof your interest wasn't in being informative etc.
You could just as easily have said "What about Ghostscript, that's free and does PDF." or even told the poster to check his facts before posting. But no, "Idiot. Ghostscript". Very succinct. Exactly correct. Very unhelpful. Very rude. You managed to turn it into a pissing contest. You were being the archtypical alpha geek, and you're defending this behaviour.
I didn't mod my post, if someone did think it was "informative" or whatever take it up with them.
How precisely should I do that given that who modded isn't public. By any chance, would it be common practice here to reply to the modded comment and point out that there's a problem with it? Oh wait, that's what I did.
My point was exactly that the argument was trivially refuted
Your point was to call someone who posted a comment with a factual error in it a fool. Any other side effect is just a bonus.
not that Ghostscript is an arcane subject only I know about.
Frankly, I doubt you know that much about it. But that again is typical here. Occassional end users spouting off as if they're experts.
Grow up.
I don't think we're actually saying different things. I don't think it's good to attack people who have disabilities but I think it's important to give them every opportunity to overcome or compensate for them. I think you agree.
Yes I absolutely do agree. What concerned me about your posts was that you seemed to be assessing their disabilities while you're not qualified to do so. You also seemed to be taking a very hard line against a general problem faced by a lot of people. It is only natural that some of these people will cope through denial, and by being dismissive of the problem. I'm not for one second suggesting that we shouldn't try to help them. I'm just saying we should agree that some people aren't going to do better - either because they find it hard, or because its quite literally beyond their ability. These people shouldn't be degraded or thrown on the scrap heap. They absolutely do need assistance, and that can come in a wide variety of forms - from specialised training (which first requires a correct diagnosis if they do have a disability) - to, in more extreme cases, finding professional work that does not require higher learning, and getting on with the rest of their lives.
As for those that are just plain lazy, they suffer the consequences. Again if they're good in other areas they can lead a fulfilled life, they just should not be allowed to become chemical scientists etc.
We're all good at some things and poor at others, and that includes the most critical things in life.
Unfortunately there seems to be a growing attitude that poor writing skills are not a disability.
Again we're in agreement for the most part, so long as we clarify that disability here does not necessarily refer to a learning disability but a condition that makes a person less able to fulfil a function - in this case communicating coherently. This may have come about from a lack of education or laziness, or it may well have come about as a result of a learning disability.
The fight isn't with people who write poorly, it's with those who believe that expressing yourself clearly is not important.
We do agree that there are many times when writing clearly is important. I think its a lot more important in professional situations.