Shush you! Your irresponsible knowledge of history and politically-incorrect use of "facts" are getting in the way of us praising the perfect security of anything associated with UNIX!
Now excuse me while I go purge my SSH logs of all those pesky login attempts that I'm sure are all coming from only Windows machines since Microsoft forces everyone to use SSH on Windows. I'll ignore all those nmap reports that indicate the attack machines are actually compromised Linux boxes in Asia since its theoretically possible for someone to lock down a Linux box, therefore ALL Linux boxes are always perfectly admined and cannot be hacked!
"SeaMicro built its business on ultra-low power servers and their first 64-bit ARMv8 silicon is expected in the very near future."
If by "very near future" you mean late 2014 (optimistically, assuming TSMC can execute) then sure.
People have been talking about how the A15 is going to be the second coming since 2009 and we are finally starting to see the very first real A15 parts show up on the market literally this month, and it will be a long time before they are the majority of chips shipped in high-end smartphones and tablets.
Anybody who thinks that AMD can just release a Powerpoint with the word "ARM" in it and be successful should take at look at the 6 years it took Nvidia to finally get Tegra 3 out in large quantities.
Legitimately registered voters are allowed to show up, vote, and then leave in an orderly manner. They are not allowed to loiter around the polls all day trying to influence the outcome of the election. And "observers" who aren't even legally registered to vote sure as hell shouldn't be doing that either.
Except that there are serious and legitimate questions about whether or not US elections are being carried out fairly and properly.
-- Yeah, unless you are willing to post that you want election "observers" (and by "observers" I don't mean members of the Obama campaign organization) in places like Cook County Illinois, then you are full of crap.
This original story and most of the posts in this thread are already laying the groundwork for the 100% guaranteed "grass-roots" "outcry" against the "subversion of democracy" in case a candidate other than Obama wins the election. On Slashdot, democracy basically means that whoever runs the DailyKos hand-picks our leaders and any disagreement is unconstitutional.
If that's what the law states, then I'm glad the Texas AG is doing his job and upholding it since that the law that the democratically elected legislature passed. Additionally, why should there be unsupervised "observers" standing around a polling place and potentially intimidating voters? There are already plenty of limits to regulate campaigning in and around polling places, and I see no reason why unelected "observers" should be given more access to polling places that legitimately registered voters are.
As a tablet OS, Windows 8 is actually pretty nice. It's just that it's being crammed down our throats outside of tablets that makes it a PITA.
As for RT vs. x86, I'd lean toward x86 unless there's a major price advantage to ARM. The Clovertrail chip looks to have good performance and battery life, so there's no massive technological reason to pick one over the other. Application compatibility is a nice win for x86 BUT.. the truth is you'll likely not want to run desktop applications on a tablet anyway.
I'm sure you made these *EXACT SAME* arguments back when the FX-62 cost over $1000 and the Core 2's came out at lower prices while being substantially faster. I'm getting tired of the "AMD is always right drink the Koolaid and die like a good little believer" line.
I'm an engineer not a fanboy. I takes a whole lot more engineering talent to design a laptop chip like the 3770K that is faster in the large majority of benchmarks, including the large majority of multithreaded benchmarks, than a chip which is twice the size, has a much much higher transistor budget, uses much larger caches, has a 50 - 100% larger practical power envelope, and runs at 15% higher clockspeeds.
I could hand a price gun to a homeless guy out on the street and have him slash the price of practically any CPU to be less than an Ivy Bridge. I guarantee you that the same homeless guy isn't going to come up with a brilliant design tweak to turn the FX-8350 into a power sipping breakthrough. Those are just the facts, I even pointed out in my original post that the 8350 is making positive forward progress for AMD, but unlike Trinity that has a decent GPU, there is no real advantage for Vishera in a technological sense, only in a marketing sense. Even there, if you want to play games there are cheaper Intel CPUs that do a better job than Vishera does while also not being power hogs, so now you are down to absolutely needing 8 "cores," not caring one whit about power consumption costs and being unwilling to pay anything extra for even a consumer grade Intel CPU.
You have a very interesting definition of "many". I would say that the non-overclocked 8350 beats a 3770K in "a few" multi-threaded benchmarks, usually by a small margin, while still losing by much much larger margins in many other multi-threaded benchmarks (in fact the Phoronix article barely has any lightly-threaded benchmarks in the mix at all).
The Vishera OC'd to 4.6 GHz wins a few more benchmarks, but, as I said above, all you have to do is apply an easy OC to Ivy Bridge to get up to 4Ghz and Vishera's lead in the few benchmarks it excels at quickly disappears.
Sure Vishera theoretically supports ECC memory, but you need a motherboard that takes ECC memory to tango... and those are a rare beast in the consumer space, meaning you really are looking at Opteron socketed motherboards and Opteron chips (which are nowhere near as cheap as Vishera). So there is no free lunch.
GPUs are very important for games, which is why an Ivy Bridge with an on-die PCIe 3.0 controller is going to do better at keeping next-generation GPUs running full-tilt than the PCIe 2.0 controller on the Northbridge of an AM3+ motherboard.
These chips "excel" at big, heavily threaded workloads. Which is to say that they can beat similarly priced Intel chips that are simply up-clocked laptop parts. Move up to a hyperthreaded 3770K (still a laptop part) and Vishera usually loses. Overclock that 3770K to be on-par with the Vishera clocks while still using massively less power than Vishera and the 3770K wins practically every benchmark.
Unfortunately, if you *really* care about those workloads (as in money is on the line) then Intel has the LGA-2011 parts that are in a completely different universe than Vishera, including using less total power and being much much better at performance/watt to boot. I'm not even talking about the $1000 chips either, I'm talking about the sub $300 3820 that wins nearly every multi-threaded benchmark, not to mention that $500 3930K that wins every one by a wide margin.
So if you want to play games (which is what 90% of people on Slashdot really care about): Intel is price competitive with AMD and you'll have a lower-power system to boot. If you *really* care about heavily-multithreaded workloads: Intel is price competitive because the initial purchase price turns into a rounding error compared to the potential performance upside and long-term power savings you get with Intel.
Vishera is definitely better than Bulldozer, but AMD still has a long long way to go in this space.
This is truly the greatest comeback ever by the nation's number one comeback kid! His message and delivery were perfectly spot on as he pointed the way forward for America.
Romney on the other hand spewed hate-filled racists lies in a robotic non-human manner and sucks. Did I mention that he hates women too?
This is Andrea Mitchell, reporting for NBC news.
(Oh wait... the debate isn't actually over yet? Well, this is how we *want* it to turn out so screw the "facts" of what the candidates supposedly "said", that's just racist claptrap for those ignorant Christians).
Or Rlly? So a traditional datacenter is sinking > 90% of its power into the wired network connections? Not the actual servers themselves? Not the cooling? The wired network connections? I'm not buying those power saving estimates.
The House is the body responsible for spending authorizations. If you want an increase in NASA's budget, write to your local congressman/woman first. The nice thing about the House is that with 435 members, it's theoretically possible that you might get some sort of response if there is enough constituent interest on the issue.
While Linus got lots of publicity for mouthing off at Nvidia over Optimus support, the truth is that X.org just recently released server 1.13 that has initial support for Optimus-like technologies and it would not have mattered one bit what license Nvidia used for its driver code.
The cold hard truth is: Nvidia isn't going to GPL its drivers and it couldn't do so even if it wanted to. Nvidia's developers *have* been trying to help out with adding code to the kernel for DMA-BUF that will be GPL and will help other pieces of hardware in addition to Nvidia hardware. There will probably have to be a compromise at some point on this even if the idealogical purists get their panties in a knot over it.
This is Slashdot where every grandmother who can't write her own kernel drivers is considered sub-human scum but where IT geeks who barely made it through community college consider themselves experts on patent law.
Once and for all: First to file only applies when two different parties each file a patent application that covers the same subject matter within a short time period of each other (less than one year for all effective purposes in the U.S.
First to file does *NOT* change the rules on prior art and actually makes it *harder* to overcome prior art because there is no longer an ability to swear behind the filing date of the patent.
Other countries including Europe (you know, that magical perfect continent where nothing bad ever happens because it isn't the U.S. and that we should all just try to be like?) ALREADY USE FIRST TO FILE.
I haven't read the patent in question (but then again neither has the poster with a trained eye), but just because Microsoft is doing something that has some similarity to an existing mapping technique does NOT mean that Microsoft's technique is the same!
In much the same way that engines for cars already exist, it is perfectly possible to get a patent on an improvement to an engine even though engines existing all the way back in 1846!
Now please return to the standard recycled bigotry that passes for discussion on this site these days.
Did you just read a single word I posted above or did you just copy & paste the standard anti-Libertarian post from the dailykos?
Perhaps you'll understand better if I put it in all caps and you read very very slowly: IT IS BAD WHEN ANY POLITICIAN OF ANY POLITICAL PARTY IS GIVEN TOO MUCH POWER. PEOPLE ON SLASHDOT WHO THINK THAT GIVING UNLIMITED POWER TO OBAMA IS GREAT BECAUSE THEY FOOLISHLY THINK HE'S ON THEIR SIDE WHILE COWERING IN FEAR THAT ROMNEY COULD END UP HAVING THE EXACT SAME POWER ARE DOING IT WRONG. NEITHER OBAMA NOR ROMNEY SHOULD HAVE THAT POWER. IN A TRULY FREE COUNTRY, YOUR FREEDOM ISN'T THE PRODUCT OF WHETHER YOUR SIDE WINS AN ELECTION BECAUSE GOVERNMENT POWER IS RESTRICTED NO MATTER WHO WINS. THIS ISN'T ROCKET SCIENCE BUT IT IS OBVIOUSLY WAY OVER YOUR HEAD.
THE DAILKOS CALLED AND THEY HAVE A MESSAGE FOR YOU: PLEASE PUT ON ANOTHER "HOPE & CHANGE" STICKER AND LYNCH ANYONE WHO MIGHT NOT VOTE FOR GOD-EMPEROR OBAMA. SIGNED: YOUR "OPEN MINDED" FRIENDS AT THE DAILYKOS.
Lemme guess.. when MSNBC intentionally edits Romney videos so that he appears to say exactly the opposite of what he actually said, you agree that SMSNBC is right because that's what you wished Romney had said since it jibes your own prejudices, even though the Romney that exists in the real world has this annoying habit of not being the strawman that you wish he was....
Do you know what the definition of a free country is?
It is *not*: Oh if I vote and all my friends vote and only the people who we want to get into government wield power then I'll have what I want because the people with guns running things are on our "side".
No: It is this: The power of government is constrained so that *even if I don't vote or even if my candidates of choice aren't in power 100% of the time it doesn't matter because their power is limited*.
When we here the usual trope from some 1%er celebrity about how he'll leave the country if Republican politician X is not publicly lynched, it just shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how government should be structured.
To put it another way: Any person who has absolutely no probem granting Obama insane amounts of power because they somehow feel he'll only screw-over their enemies but is terrified that Romney might have the same amount of power is doing it wrong. Neither one should have that amount of power to begin with whether you agree with him or not.
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Shush you! Your irresponsible knowledge of history and politically-incorrect use of "facts" are getting in the way of us praising the perfect security of anything associated with UNIX!
Now excuse me while I go purge my SSH logs of all those pesky login attempts that I'm sure are all coming from only Windows machines since Microsoft forces everyone to use SSH on Windows. I'll ignore all those nmap reports that indicate the attack machines are actually compromised Linux boxes in Asia since its theoretically possible for someone to lock down a Linux box, therefore ALL Linux boxes are always perfectly admined and cannot be hacked!
"SeaMicro built its business on ultra-low power servers and their first 64-bit ARMv8 silicon is expected in the very near future."
If by "very near future" you mean late 2014 (optimistically, assuming TSMC can execute) then sure.
People have been talking about how the A15 is going to be the second coming since 2009 and we are finally starting to see the very first real A15 parts show up on the market literally this month, and it will be a long time before they are the majority of chips shipped in high-end smartphones and tablets.
Anybody who thinks that AMD can just release a Powerpoint with the word "ARM" in it and be successful should take at look at the 6 years it took Nvidia to finally get Tegra 3 out in large quantities.
Where Apple is the British:
First they ignore you
Then they laugh at you (we've reached this stage)
Then they fight you
Then you win.
Dell will have INFINITE year-on-year growth for its ARM servers once it manages to sell one. Buy that stock now!
Legitimately registered voters are allowed to show up, vote, and then leave in an orderly manner. They are not allowed to loiter around the polls all day trying to influence the outcome of the election. And "observers" who aren't even legally registered to vote sure as hell shouldn't be doing that either.
Except that there are serious and legitimate questions about whether or not US elections are being carried out fairly and properly.
-- Yeah, unless you are willing to post that you want election "observers" (and by "observers" I don't mean members of the Obama campaign organization) in places like Cook County Illinois, then you are full of crap.
This original story and most of the posts in this thread are already laying the groundwork for the 100% guaranteed "grass-roots" "outcry" against the "subversion of democracy" in case a candidate other than Obama wins the election. On Slashdot, democracy basically means that whoever runs the DailyKos hand-picks our leaders and any disagreement is unconstitutional.
If that's what the law states, then I'm glad the Texas AG is doing his job and upholding it since that the law that the democratically elected legislature passed. Additionally, why should there be unsupervised "observers" standing around a polling place and potentially intimidating voters? There are already plenty of limits to regulate campaigning in and around polling places, and I see no reason why unelected "observers" should be given more access to polling places that legitimately registered voters are.
As a tablet OS, Windows 8 is actually pretty nice. It's just that it's being crammed down our throats outside of tablets that makes it a PITA.
As for RT vs. x86, I'd lean toward x86 unless there's a major price advantage to ARM. The Clovertrail chip looks to have good performance and battery life, so there's no massive technological reason to pick one over the other. Application compatibility is a nice win for x86 BUT.. the truth is you'll likely not want to run desktop applications on a tablet anyway.
I'm sure you made these *EXACT SAME* arguments back when the FX-62 cost over $1000 and the Core 2's came out at lower prices while being substantially faster. I'm getting tired of the "AMD is always right drink the Koolaid and die like a good little believer" line.
I'm an engineer not a fanboy. I takes a whole lot more engineering talent to design a laptop chip like the 3770K that is faster in the large majority of benchmarks, including the large majority of multithreaded benchmarks, than a chip which is twice the size, has a much much higher transistor budget, uses much larger caches, has a 50 - 100% larger practical power envelope, and runs at 15% higher clockspeeds.
I could hand a price gun to a homeless guy out on the street and have him slash the price of practically any CPU to be less than an Ivy Bridge. I guarantee you that the same homeless guy isn't going to come up with a brilliant design tweak to turn the FX-8350 into a power sipping breakthrough. Those are just the facts, I even pointed out in my original post that the 8350 is making positive forward progress for AMD, but unlike Trinity that has a decent GPU, there is no real advantage for Vishera in a technological sense, only in a marketing sense. Even there, if you want to play games there are cheaper Intel CPUs that do a better job than Vishera does while also not being power hogs, so now you are down to absolutely needing 8 "cores," not caring one whit about power consumption costs and being unwilling to pay anything extra for even a consumer grade Intel CPU.
You have a very interesting definition of "many". I would say that the non-overclocked 8350 beats a 3770K in "a few" multi-threaded benchmarks, usually by a small margin, while still losing by much much larger margins in many other multi-threaded benchmarks (in fact the Phoronix article barely has any lightly-threaded benchmarks in the mix at all).
The Vishera OC'd to 4.6 GHz wins a few more benchmarks, but, as I said above, all you have to do is apply an easy OC to Ivy Bridge to get up to 4Ghz and Vishera's lead in the few benchmarks it excels at quickly disappears.
Sure Vishera theoretically supports ECC memory, but you need a motherboard that takes ECC memory to tango... and those are a rare beast in the consumer space, meaning you really are looking at Opteron socketed motherboards and Opteron chips (which are nowhere near as cheap as Vishera). So there is no free lunch.
GPUs are very important for games, which is why an Ivy Bridge with an on-die PCIe 3.0 controller is going to do better at keeping next-generation GPUs running full-tilt than the PCIe 2.0 controller on the Northbridge of an AM3+ motherboard.
These chips "excel" at big, heavily threaded workloads. Which is to say that they can beat similarly priced Intel chips that are simply up-clocked laptop parts. Move up to a hyperthreaded 3770K (still a laptop part) and Vishera usually loses. Overclock that 3770K to be on-par with the Vishera clocks while still using massively less power than Vishera and the 3770K wins practically every benchmark.
Unfortunately, if you *really* care about those workloads (as in money is on the line) then Intel has the LGA-2011 parts that are in a completely different universe than Vishera, including using less total power and being much much better at performance/watt to boot. I'm not even talking about the $1000 chips either, I'm talking about the sub $300 3820 that wins nearly every multi-threaded benchmark, not to mention that $500 3930K that wins every one by a wide margin.
So if you want to play games (which is what 90% of people on Slashdot really care about): Intel is price competitive with AMD and you'll have a lower-power system to boot. If you *really* care about heavily-multithreaded workloads: Intel is price competitive because the initial purchase price turns into a rounding error compared to the potential performance upside and long-term power savings you get with Intel.
Vishera is definitely better than Bulldozer, but AMD still has a long long way to go in this space.
We had Motorola HC12 boards all the way back in the 90's, and they were complete crap back then too!
This is truly the greatest comeback ever by the nation's number one comeback kid! His message and delivery were perfectly spot on as he pointed the way forward for America.
Romney on the other hand spewed hate-filled racists lies in a robotic non-human manner and sucks. Did I mention that he hates women too?
This is Andrea Mitchell, reporting for NBC news.
(Oh wait... the debate isn't actually over yet? Well, this is how we *want* it to turn out so screw the "facts" of what the candidates supposedly "said", that's just racist claptrap for those ignorant Christians).
Or Rlly? So a traditional datacenter is sinking > 90% of its power into the wired network connections? Not the actual servers themselves? Not the cooling? The wired network connections? I'm not buying those power saving estimates.
The House is the body responsible for spending authorizations. If you want an increase in NASA's budget, write to your local congressman/woman first. The nice thing about the House is that with 435 members, it's theoretically possible that you might get some sort of response if there is enough constituent interest on the issue.
Except that on Slashdot it's: "If it's not Linux, it's crap!"
While Linus got lots of publicity for mouthing off at Nvidia over Optimus support, the truth is that X.org just recently released server 1.13 that has initial support for Optimus-like technologies and it would not have mattered one bit what license Nvidia used for its driver code.
The cold hard truth is: Nvidia isn't going to GPL its drivers and it couldn't do so even if it wanted to. Nvidia's developers *have* been trying to help out with adding code to the kernel for DMA-BUF that will be GPL and will help other pieces of hardware in addition to Nvidia hardware. There will probably have to be a compromise at some point on this even if the idealogical purists get their panties in a knot over it.
This is Slashdot where every grandmother who can't write her own kernel drivers is considered sub-human scum but where IT geeks who barely made it through community college consider themselves experts on patent law.
Once and for all: First to file only applies when two different parties each file a patent application that covers the same subject matter within a short time period of each other (less than one year for all effective purposes in the U.S.
First to file does *NOT* change the rules on prior art and actually makes it *harder* to overcome prior art because there is no longer an ability to swear behind the filing date of the patent.
Other countries including Europe (you know, that magical perfect continent where nothing bad ever happens because it isn't the U.S. and that we should all just try to be like?) ALREADY USE FIRST TO FILE.
I haven't read the patent in question (but then again neither has the poster with a trained eye), but just because Microsoft is doing something that has some similarity to an existing mapping technique does NOT mean that Microsoft's technique is the same!
In much the same way that engines for cars already exist, it is perfectly possible to get a patent on an improvement to an engine even though engines existing all the way back in 1846!
Now please return to the standard recycled bigotry that passes for discussion on this site these days.
i don't care about it or your fucking chemical energy drink.
Exactly, it's about damn time those anti-innovation corporate whores started selling us NUCLEAR energy drinks!
Did you just read a single word I posted above or did you just copy & paste the standard anti-Libertarian post from the dailykos?
Perhaps you'll understand better if I put it in all caps and you read very very slowly: IT IS BAD WHEN ANY POLITICIAN OF ANY POLITICAL PARTY IS GIVEN TOO MUCH POWER. PEOPLE ON SLASHDOT WHO THINK THAT GIVING UNLIMITED POWER TO OBAMA IS GREAT BECAUSE THEY FOOLISHLY THINK HE'S ON THEIR SIDE WHILE COWERING IN FEAR THAT ROMNEY COULD END UP HAVING THE EXACT SAME POWER ARE DOING IT WRONG. NEITHER OBAMA NOR ROMNEY SHOULD HAVE THAT POWER. IN A TRULY FREE COUNTRY, YOUR FREEDOM ISN'T THE PRODUCT OF WHETHER YOUR SIDE WINS AN ELECTION BECAUSE GOVERNMENT POWER IS RESTRICTED NO MATTER WHO WINS. THIS ISN'T ROCKET SCIENCE BUT IT IS OBVIOUSLY WAY OVER YOUR HEAD.
THE DAILKOS CALLED AND THEY HAVE A MESSAGE FOR YOU: PLEASE PUT ON ANOTHER "HOPE & CHANGE" STICKER AND LYNCH ANYONE WHO MIGHT NOT VOTE FOR GOD-EMPEROR OBAMA. SIGNED: YOUR "OPEN MINDED" FRIENDS AT THE DAILYKOS.
Lemme guess.. when MSNBC intentionally edits Romney videos so that he appears to say exactly the opposite of what he actually said, you agree that SMSNBC is right because that's what you wished Romney had said since it jibes your own prejudices, even though the Romney that exists in the real world has this annoying habit of not being the strawman that you wish he was....
You know that one of the first scientists to consider the Big Bang was.... a Catholic priest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre)
Do you know what the definition of a free country is?
It is *not*: Oh if I vote and all my friends vote and only the people who we want to get into government wield power then I'll have what I want because the people with guns running things are on our "side".
No: It is this: The power of government is constrained so that *even if I don't vote or even if my candidates of choice aren't in power 100% of the time it doesn't matter because their power is limited*.
When we here the usual trope from some 1%er celebrity about how he'll leave the country if Republican politician X is not publicly lynched, it just shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how government should be structured.
To put it another way: Any person who has absolutely no probem granting Obama insane amounts of power because they somehow feel he'll only screw-over their enemies but is terrified that Romney might have the same amount of power is doing it wrong. Neither one should have that amount of power to begin with whether you agree with him or not.