We don't. We don't need all this shitty 'AI' all over the place, we need educated competent people.
These companies who have invested tens or even hundreds of millions developing these shitty 'AIs' are realizing that they're garbage, won't get over the finish line, and are now desperately moving their own goalposts trying to make their shitty AIs appear better than they really are. Meanwhile their legal counsel are telling them that the profits outweigh the potential liabilities so go ahead and just settle the wrongful death and other lawsuits as they come, or just tie them up in the courts, and continue to make money.
AG and DAG are both Trump appointees
"We didn't find any reason to indict Trump, LOL"
"We need to sift through the report to decide what can and can't be released to the public and congress"
Yeah, sure, what a shocker that is. Let the cover-up of the report begin! Oh look, a puppy! EVERYONE LOOK AT THE PUPPY!
Ball's in your court, House Democrats. Don't fumble it.
**********
Oh, and by the way: If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck.
Organized crime bosses are masters of keeping their own hands squeaky-clean, while getting their underlings to take the fall for them.
So I believe it is with Donald Trump. Get Cohen and Manafort and Flynn and whoever else is under you to do the dirty work, get their hands dirty, leaving the hands of The Boss clean.
1) Take a picture of your face
2) Print it on a color printer
3) Put it in front of your phone, start the app
4) Come back 15 minutes later
5) Go see a movie for free
I wrote that subject line as a lead-in: Like 'mercy', 'ethics' requires understanding of human beings and human-related matters.
Since the poor, weak excuse for 'AI' they keep slinging around lately cannot 'think', and therefore is entirely incapable of understanding humans, they are also incapable of being 'ethical'.
Someone will now attempt to argue that 'ethics' is just a set of rules to follow -- or perhaps I should say 'laws' -- and there are always exceptions to rules and laws where there are humans and human lives to consider. Therefore: machines should not be involved in making decisions requiring 'ethics', they are entirely unqualified to do so by their very nature.
Furthermore: all so-called 'AIs' should be supervised by humans at all times; no 'autonomy'. There always needs to be at least one human being there to allow or disallow what any of these machines does.
Self driving cars wouldn't make deaths in cars 0%, there will always be some non-zero number of deaths, but those deaths would be less than a non automated environment.
See, now, you're making bullshit assumptions based on media and industry hype, there won't be 'fewer deaths' and the deaths that do occur will be MORE HORRIFIC because the people who die will have precisely ZERO CONTROL over their fate.
Here, imagine this:
You're on a rollercoaster, strapped into your seat. A catastrophic failure occurs; you know you are going to die; time slows down for you, you have time for the terror to set in; you know you CANNOT save yourself, all you can do is sit there and scream and squirm as you are killed in a horrifying accident.
THAT is what a so-called 'self driving car' accident will be like: you'll see it coming, you'll know you can't stop it from happening, and you may as well be bound and gagged in your seat because there will be precisely ZERO you can do to stop it. Do you really want to subject yourself to that possibility? Do you want to subject your FAMILY to that possibilty?
Fuck that. I want to live. I'd rather have my fate in my own hands. At least I'm given a fighting chance to survive that way.
But fewer people will die of it, that's the point. Fewer.
If you're going to take away my ability to control a vehicle, then it has to be absolutely guaranteed to never get me killed. NO COMPROMISES.
Oh and by the way I am FAR from being alone, here. Most people when presented with it will NOT get in a car they can't actually control. You can deny that all you want but we all know better.
No. No compromises. If a machine is going to make life-or-death decisions for me, it has to UNDERSTAND me in the same way that a responsible human being 'understands' me, and the so-called 'AI' (just shitty 'learning algorithms, really, no 'cognition' at all) is not capable of doing that. Not. A. Chance.
Please, go do some deeper research into the so-called 'AI' they use for this. Talk to neuroscientists; they will tell you we haven't a clue how a human brain actually thinks. You'll find what I found: the so-called 'AI' they keep trotting out is no better fundamentally than what they had 30 years ago, it's just running on bigger faster hardware. You're nuts if you trust your LIFE to it.
I agree wholeheartedly: Facebook is a CANCER on our civilization, and needs to be ERRADICATED. So, really, should Twitter, and Instagram, and all other so-called 'social media', because they exist for one reason and one reason only: to make profit, any way they can get away with.
What I propose instead is simple: You can have your so-called 'social media' sites, but they MUST be 'subscription-only'. No ads, no selling of user data (anonymized or not!) to anyone for any reason, and all such practices become strictly forbidden by Federal law.
Many will criticize this as 'anti-free speech' and 'does not allow for anonymity', but you can blame Zuckerberg and Facebook and all their ilk for things having to go in this direction. The whole concept of 'social media' has been perverted, leveraged, and annexed by people who not only don't give a fuck about the people whose data they're selling to the highest bidder, but by foreign nationals acting to influence and destabilize our country in general; that last point is reason enough to abolish the entire genre of 'social media', it's done great harm to the U.S., the UK, and who knows how many other countries.
It should be illegal for Trump to be in the White House.
You're trolling, and I understand why -- but in reality, AC, what we need is a more thorough, comprehensive screening process for Presidential candidates.
POTUS candidates should be required to turn over all (without exception) financial documents, and have the most thorough and complete background investigation possible done on them, prior to being allowed on the ballot in the first place. The current vetting procedures clearly aren't comprehensive enough.
For all intents and purposes, BGA packaged ICs are completely out of reach of the hobbyist, because you need specialized equipment to install them, and you literally get one shot at it: if even one solder bump doesn't make contact, or if even one solder bridge occurs between bumps, then you're screwed. Remember that in a production environment you need a hideously expensive Xray machine to even have a chance to QC a BGA's attachment to the PCB, and even that's not 100% reliable, you'd need something more like an MRI scan, that's 3D, to have a full picture of the BGA-to-PCB attachment. I'm with you though so many surface-mount components have more or less destroyed electronics as a hobby due to this inaccessiblity problem; it also has ruined it for repair purposes due to the expensive equipment and specialized training necessary.
I'm conflicted. On the one hand, things like this (and Arduino, and RPi, and so on) make things more accessible to the 'masses' -- but on the other hand, it seems like it's 'dumbing down electronics', taking away any requirement that you actually learn how electronics works at the component level.
I can't easily count how many people (probably teenagers, really; this is the internet, who can tell?) were spending inordinate amounts of time just getting an Arduino (or similar microcontroller-based toy) to make an LED blink, or something similar, and they would talk about how they were 'doing electronics'; contradict them, and with a straight face, not kidding with you, would claim that "if it doesn't use a microcontroller, it's not electronics", and how 'analog electronics is old fashioned and obsolete, no one uses that stuff anymore'. I kid you not. Meanwhile they'd need an Instructible and a YouTube how-to video to build a basic crystal radio, and they'd be utterly clueless as to how it works -- assuming that is you could convince them that it would even work and that you weren't trying to troll them (less than half a dozen parts and no microcontroller? How does it do anything?).
Someone else mentioned 'Lectron', from back in the 1980's; my brother had some of those, although I was never allowed to mess with them. Some might argue those were on the same level as what we're discussing here, but the fact of the matter is, those were just 'sanitized' versions of discrete components, eliminating the need for soldering or any sort of solderless breadboarding, you still had to understand electronics enough to make something work.
Yeah and people think that vaccines are bad.
False equivalency.
Did you not see what I wrote? Believe it: the so-called 'AI' they keep trotting out cannot 'think' at all and will never be up to the job, it will ALWAYS fall short, and people will die needlessly because of it. No fucking way. Never, ever, would I ride in one of those. Full-on general AI (which we are no where NEAR having yet BTW) or nothing at all. Has to be equivalent to a human mind. No compromises.
You can fucking keep it. I don't want to die in utter terror because some half-assed excuse for an AI fucked up and killed me, and I had ZERO ways to save myself. Fuck that shit, I'd rather take my chances on my own.
Mod this guy up. Until we have ACTUAL AI, not this half-assed over-hyped excuse for it, it will never truly be up to the task of operating a ground vehicle on open roads. I shudder to think how many people are going to have to die in utter terror before everyone else understands this.
He's hyping so-called 'technology' that will never really truly be up to the task, he's clearly been taken in by the hype (which has little to do with the reality of so-called half-assed 'AI' that can't even actually 'think'). How much is this know-nothing pundit being paid to shill for this shit, anyway? Does it pay well to sell out humanity like this?
I bring an antenna into this because too many of you seem to think that you have to have cable or satellite or streaming or anything you have to pay for, and ignore OTA broadcast television. Just because it's not from Netflix or Amazon or whoever doesn't mean it's not worth watching, and there's no reason you still can't have some 'streaming' service subscription if you want it, too. Antenna+TiVo=more than I have time to watch, usually. More people do this than you apparently believe.
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We don't. We don't need all this shitty 'AI' all over the place, we need educated competent people.
These companies who have invested tens or even hundreds of millions developing these shitty 'AIs' are realizing that they're garbage, won't get over the finish line, and are now desperately moving their own goalposts trying to make their shitty AIs appear better than they really are. Meanwhile their legal counsel are telling them that the profits outweigh the potential liabilities so go ahead and just settle the wrongful death and other lawsuits as they come, or just tie them up in the courts, and continue to make money.
AG and DAG are both Trump appointees
"We didn't find any reason to indict Trump, LOL"
"We need to sift through the report to decide what can and can't be released to the public and congress"
Yeah, sure, what a shocker that is. Let the cover-up of the report begin! Oh look, a puppy! EVERYONE LOOK AT THE PUPPY!
Ball's in your court, House Democrats. Don't fumble it.
**********
Oh, and by the way: If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck.
Organized crime bosses are masters of keeping their own hands squeaky-clean, while getting their underlings to take the fall for them.
So I believe it is with Donald Trump. Get Cohen and Manafort and Flynn and whoever else is under you to do the dirty work, get their hands dirty, leaving the hands of The Boss clean.
Social media needs to be erradicated, it's a cancer on our entire civilization at this point.
1) Take a picture of your face
2) Print it on a color printer
3) Put it in front of your phone, start the app
4) Come back 15 minutes later
5) Go see a movie for free
I wrote that subject line as a lead-in:
Like 'mercy', 'ethics' requires understanding of human beings and human-related matters.
Since the poor, weak excuse for 'AI' they keep slinging around lately cannot 'think', and therefore is entirely incapable of understanding humans, they are also incapable of being 'ethical'.
Someone will now attempt to argue that 'ethics' is just a set of rules to follow -- or perhaps I should say 'laws' -- and there are always exceptions to rules and laws where there are humans and human lives to consider. Therefore: machines should not be involved in making decisions requiring 'ethics', they are entirely unqualified to do so by their very nature.
Furthermore: all so-called 'AIs' should be supervised by humans at all times; no 'autonomy'. There always needs to be at least one human being there to allow or disallow what any of these machines does.
See, now, you're making bullshit assumptions based on media and industry hype, there won't be 'fewer deaths' and the deaths that do occur will be MORE HORRIFIC because the people who die will have precisely ZERO CONTROL over their fate.
Here, imagine this:
You're on a rollercoaster, strapped into your seat. A catastrophic failure occurs; you know you are going to die; time slows down for you, you have time for the terror to set in; you know you CANNOT save yourself, all you can do is sit there and scream and squirm as you are killed in a horrifying accident.
THAT is what a so-called 'self driving car' accident will be like: you'll see it coming, you'll know you can't stop it from happening, and you may as well be bound and gagged in your seat because there will be precisely ZERO you can do to stop it. Do you really want to subject yourself to that possibility? Do you want to subject your FAMILY to that possibilty?
Fuck that. I want to live. I'd rather have my fate in my own hands. At least I'm given a fighting chance to survive that way.
But fewer people will die of it, that's the point. Fewer.
If you're going to take away my ability to control a vehicle, then it has to be absolutely guaranteed to never get me killed. NO COMPROMISES.
Oh and by the way I am FAR from being alone, here. Most people when presented with it will NOT get in a car they can't actually control. You can deny that all you want but we all know better.
Stop thinking what you see in movies and TV is anything more than fantasy, okay?
No. No compromises. If a machine is going to make life-or-death decisions for me, it has to UNDERSTAND me in the same way that a responsible human being 'understands' me, and the so-called 'AI' (just shitty 'learning algorithms, really, no 'cognition' at all) is not capable of doing that. Not. A. Chance.
Please, go do some deeper research into the so-called 'AI' they use for this. Talk to neuroscientists; they will tell you we haven't a clue how a human brain actually thinks. You'll find what I found: the so-called 'AI' they keep trotting out is no better fundamentally than what they had 30 years ago, it's just running on bigger faster hardware. You're nuts if you trust your LIFE to it.
I agree wholeheartedly: Facebook is a CANCER on our civilization, and needs to be ERRADICATED. So, really, should Twitter, and Instagram, and all other so-called 'social media', because they exist for one reason and one reason only: to make profit, any way they can get away with.
What I propose instead is simple: You can have your so-called 'social media' sites, but they MUST be 'subscription-only'. No ads, no selling of user data (anonymized or not!) to anyone for any reason, and all such practices become strictly forbidden by Federal law.
Many will criticize this as 'anti-free speech' and 'does not allow for anonymity', but you can blame Zuckerberg and Facebook and all their ilk for things having to go in this direction. The whole concept of 'social media' has been perverted, leveraged, and annexed by people who not only don't give a fuck about the people whose data they're selling to the highest bidder, but by foreign nationals acting to influence and destabilize our country in general; that last point is reason enough to abolish the entire genre of 'social media', it's done great harm to the U.S., the UK, and who knows how many other countries.
It should be illegal for Trump to be in the White House.
You're trolling, and I understand why -- but in reality, AC, what we need is a more thorough, comprehensive screening process for Presidential candidates.
POTUS candidates should be required to turn over all (without exception) financial documents, and have the most thorough and complete background investigation possible done on them, prior to being allowed on the ballot in the first place. The current vetting procedures clearly aren't comprehensive enough.
For all intents and purposes, BGA packaged ICs are completely out of reach of the hobbyist, because you need specialized equipment to install them, and you literally get one shot at it: if even one solder bump doesn't make contact, or if even one solder bridge occurs between bumps, then you're screwed. Remember that in a production environment you need a hideously expensive Xray machine to even have a chance to QC a BGA's attachment to the PCB, and even that's not 100% reliable, you'd need something more like an MRI scan, that's 3D, to have a full picture of the BGA-to-PCB attachment. I'm with you though so many surface-mount components have more or less destroyed electronics as a hobby due to this inaccessiblity problem; it also has ruined it for repair purposes due to the expensive equipment and specialized training necessary.
I'm conflicted. On the one hand, things like this (and Arduino, and RPi, and so on) make things more accessible to the 'masses' -- but on the other hand, it seems like it's 'dumbing down electronics', taking away any requirement that you actually learn how electronics works at the component level.
I can't easily count how many people (probably teenagers, really; this is the internet, who can tell?) were spending inordinate amounts of time just getting an Arduino (or similar microcontroller-based toy) to make an LED blink, or something similar, and they would talk about how they were 'doing electronics'; contradict them, and with a straight face, not kidding with you, would claim that "if it doesn't use a microcontroller, it's not electronics", and how 'analog electronics is old fashioned and obsolete, no one uses that stuff anymore'. I kid you not. Meanwhile they'd need an Instructible and a YouTube how-to video to build a basic crystal radio, and they'd be utterly clueless as to how it works -- assuming that is you could convince them that it would even work and that you weren't trying to troll them (less than half a dozen parts and no microcontroller? How does it do anything?).
Someone else mentioned 'Lectron', from back in the 1980's; my brother had some of those, although I was never allowed to mess with them. Some might argue those were on the same level as what we're discussing here, but the fact of the matter is, those were just 'sanitized' versions of discrete components, eliminating the need for soldering or any sort of solderless breadboarding, you still had to understand electronics enough to make something work.
Yeah and people think that vaccines are bad.
False equivalency.
Did you not see what I wrote? Believe it: the so-called 'AI' they keep trotting out cannot 'think' at all and will never be up to the job, it will ALWAYS fall short, and people will die needlessly because of it. No fucking way. Never, ever, would I ride in one of those. Full-on general AI (which we are no where NEAR having yet BTW) or nothing at all. Has to be equivalent to a human mind. No compromises.
It's actually very simple.
You never, NEVER, EVER force people to use SDCs. EVER.
You can fucking keep it. I don't want to die in utter terror because some half-assed excuse for an AI fucked up and killed me, and I had ZERO ways to save myself. Fuck that shit, I'd rather take my chances on my own.
Nice strawman. I'm a registered Democrat living in California, you moron. SDCs are all hype and nonsense.
I meant sarcasm aimed at big business.
And what's to stop this from getting into the water table? End up coming out of your taps? Nothing. This is madness.
Mod this guy up. Until we have ACTUAL AI, not this half-assed over-hyped excuse for it, it will never truly be up to the task of operating a ground vehicle on open roads. I shudder to think how many people are going to have to die in utter terror before everyone else understands this.
Pry my manual transmission pickup truck from my cold, dead fingers. Never give up, never surrender.
He's hyping so-called 'technology' that will never really truly be up to the task, he's clearly been taken in by the hype (which has little to do with the reality of so-called half-assed 'AI' that can't even actually 'think'). How much is this know-nothing pundit being paid to shill for this shit, anyway? Does it pay well to sell out humanity like this?
I bring an antenna into this because too many of you seem to think that you have to have cable or satellite or streaming or anything you have to pay for, and ignore OTA broadcast television. Just because it's not from Netflix or Amazon or whoever doesn't mean it's not worth watching, and there's no reason you still can't have some 'streaming' service subscription if you want it, too. Antenna+TiVo=more than I have time to watch, usually. More people do this than you apparently believe.
Shut up.
You forgot the tag at the end, for the benefit of the sarcasm-blind.