How much longer are the people of China going to put up with this bullshit? Sounds to me like every year China becomes more and more a total shithole to live in, with the government now literally up their asses 24/7. How can human beings put up with this shit?
What we have is 'pseudo-intelligence', at best. It's not much different than the 'learning algorithms' we had in the 90's, it's not truly an 'intelligence', it can't think, it can't actually reason, there is no mind in that box, it's just software, not self-aware, not aware of you, you're just more data, not any more significant to it than a fencepost. IF and WHEN we have real Artificial Intelligence, you'll be able to converse with it, it'll think, be more like a human mind -- if, no doubt, somewhat alien. That being said, we are not there yet, we are not anywhere NEAR that yet, and until we understand how our own minds do these things, we won't be ABLE to build something that does. That's my judgement and prediction.
Oh dear, it killed a pedestrian, how inconvenient, that'll play hell with our testing schedule!
WTF, are we China now? Human life is cheap, throw-away? Someone being KILLED can't stand in the way of progress? Fuck that. Good on you, Arizona, ACTUALLY looking out for public safety.
The problem with human drivers is not that they're human, it's that driver training and testing has been gutted over the last several decades. Enact reforms of how drivers are trained, tested, and held accountable, and these problems will go away. This may mean some people will not be allowed to drive ever again due to a consistent pattern of incompetence in spite of training and education; too bad, they can call Uber or Lyft or take a cab or the bus for all I care. But this UTTER NONSENSE some people spout about 'humans being banned (universally) from driving' is just that: UTTER COMPLETE NONSENSE -- ESPECIALLY when the machines these (you?) mouth-breathing fanbois think will 'save them' are clearly and objectively not capable of being any more competent than human drivers are RIGHT NOW.
I would disagree. I see people modded down to (-1) for no reason other than not going along with the group-think, there are trolls here like there is everywhere else, and they manage to get mod points. There's no protection against having multiple accounts here, either, all you need is a valid email address that doesn't already have an account associated with it.
You can REASON with a human being. You CANNOT REASON with these piece of crap pseudo-intelligent machines; even the programmers that created them don't know what the hell is going on under the hood. Get them off public roads!
Mod me as 'flamebait' all you want, people, IDGAF, I know damned well I'm FAR from alone in what I think about this, and no Echo Chamber is going to change that.
Is this a real story from a real person trying to protect and preserve her privacy, or is it a propaganda story made up by the Australian government to try to convince people how futile it is to try to protect and preserve their privacy anymore?
One day, here in the U.S., the average people are going to wake up and realize what's been taken from them. On that day I will laugh sardonically at them all for having been so damned dumb.
I've only ever looked at that place a couple times, and what I saw there was a mess to have to wade through, and the sort of content/conversations I was looking for were the same crap you'd find anywhere else.
This. Although you forgot "Meet with actual people, and actually interact with them". The Internet is no substitute for real social interaction with real people in real life. We're already seeing the effects of that on the generation that's growing up with it, and it's not a good thing.
That's all this is. Like other companies 'developing' this 'technology', he is protecting his companys' massive investment so he doesn't get fired. I have no doubt his shitty cars wouldn't have done any better -- NONE of them would have done any better, because it's a 'pseudo-intelligence' running them, not a real AI that can actually think, and like all other companies building this crap, they have rushed it to market to prevent investor revolt.
I want the damned things off public roads. NONE of it is even REMOTELY ready for general use, and likely never will be. We need REAL AI, not this fake pseudo-intelligence; your DOG or CAT is smarter than any of these pseudo-intelligent machines are. The systems of public roads in our civilization is designed by and for human drivers, who have an actual mind that can think and reason. If you want to build a machine mind that can even be the equivalent of a human driver (never mind 'better than' a human driver) then that machine mind needs to be a full-on Artificial Intelligence, that thinks and reasons like a human being, that can relate to human beings, understands the difference between a living being and an inanimate object, and more to the point, understands that a living human being is more intrinsically valuable than anything else, including itself. Currently, we do not have the technology to understand how and why a human brain is capable of what it's capable of; until we can understand that, we have precisely zero hope of designing machine intelligences that can match what humans posess by default; that is why the current approach to so-called 'self driving cars/driverless cars' is completely and totally wrong and a dead end.
..oh, and by the way: It's real fucking easy for you SDC fanbois on the internet to shrug off the death of a fellow human being that you didn't know and never would have met, try to make it out as "all her fault", and so on, and to accuse me or anyone else of 'appeal to emotion' when we point out that even one human death at the hands of these machines is UNACCEPTABLE -- but I put to you that emotion has everything to do with this, and if you had even so much as met this woman, or better yet, had been a family member, you'd be singing a different tune about this -- and that if you really are capable of just shrugging this off like it didn't matter, then YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE and deserve to be BEATEN for it.
HUMAN LIVES MATTER. That's what this so-called 'technology' is supposed to be about, right? You fanbois trot out your cherry-picked statistics about traffic deaths, convey your anecdotes about shitty drivers you've encountered, then speak in such flowery, blue-sky terms about how wonderful the world will be when no humans are allowed to drive a car anymore -- yet here we are, with one of your hero machines KILLING A HUMAN BEING.
NO MORE DEATHS AT THE HANDS OF SELF DRIVING CARS! GET THEM OFF THE ROADS!
That's nice. And if the 'service' goes out of business, or there is some sort of Rights dispute with the content creator -- or your 'service' just decides that you don't have anything anymore, even if you paid for it -- then it's gone, and there's not a damned thing you can do about it. Also, enjoy knowing that ALL of your reading, listening, and viewing habits are now logged and surveiled: they know what you're doing, when you're doing it, and for how long. How does that make you feel, Hal? Loved? Or creeped out? When you own your own media, it's yours; someone would have to come to your house and physically take it from you. When you read a book, or watch a DVD/Bluray, or listen to a CD, it's nobody's business that you're doing that, and your privacy is intact. That's why owning physical copies of things is superior: they can't take it from you (or alter it after you buy it), and you use your media in privacy, and nobody has the right to know what you're reading/hearing/viewing.
..oh, and before you go off on a rant about how you think 'privacy doesn't matter', or 'I'm not doing anything wrong so I have nothing to fear', or 'people who want privacy must have something to hide', or 'people who think their privacy is being invaded are paranoid', or anything like that? I have no respect whatsoever for people who think that way, I think they're stupid to the extreme, and are giving away something that is beyond price, for free, to people and corporations and governments who do NOT have your best interests at heart, and I have no interest in having a conversation with people like that -- so if you're one of those, don't bother responding, I don't want to talk to you.
No, Microsoft is not squeezing out the Open Source solutions, they're annexing them, vis-a-vis a Linux environment that runs under Windows. Give 'em enough rope, and they'll have everything running subordinate to Windows, and they'll push the idea that you don't need anything other than Windows -- therefore there won't be anything other than Windows. At that point Microsoft hegemony will be complete; we'd be living in a Microsoft world, where your computer is de-facto owned and operated by Microsoft, because they'll have complete control of it, and you just 'get' to use it -- if they allow you to. Believe it: the ultimate monopoly. Not like they haven't tried to create monopolies before.
The bribe from China to Ajit Pai must not have appeared in his numbered offshore account yet, otherwise he wouldn't be 'reporting' this at all.
No worries, as soon as the funds show up he'll retract the whole thing, say it was a 'false alarm'.
1. Adblocker + NoScript = No ads (can't remember the last time I ever saw one, even)
2. Did you skim too fast over the part where I said "I don't use my real name online, ever"?
..says the festering, basement dwelling, cheetoh-eating trog, commenting on my comment on Slashdot.
..meanwhile, I'm over 6 feet tall, have a bodyfat percentage around 10%, have a decent face, a decent personality, and so on. You mad, manlet? xD xD xD
Well, I can see that the new Emperor of China intends to squeeze so hard that there'll be a persistent chilling effect on any sort of creativity. Guess he thinks he'll just be able to keep stealing creativity from the West ad infinitum.
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How much longer are the people of China going to put up with this bullshit? Sounds to me like every year China becomes more and more a total shithole to live in, with the government now literally up their asses 24/7. How can human beings put up with this shit?
People do not want to live their lives with nothing but public transportation.
What we have is 'pseudo-intelligence', at best. It's not much different than the 'learning algorithms' we had in the 90's, it's not truly an 'intelligence', it can't think, it can't actually reason, there is no mind in that box, it's just software, not self-aware, not aware of you, you're just more data, not any more significant to it than a fencepost. IF and WHEN we have real Artificial Intelligence, you'll be able to converse with it, it'll think, be more like a human mind -- if, no doubt, somewhat alien. That being said, we are not there yet, we are not anywhere NEAR that yet, and until we understand how our own minds do these things, we won't be ABLE to build something that does. That's my judgement and prediction.
Thank you for injecting some actual common sense and decency into this conversation.
Oh dear, it killed a pedestrian, how inconvenient, that'll play hell with our testing schedule!
WTF, are we China now? Human life is cheap, throw-away? Someone being KILLED can't stand in the way of progress? Fuck that. Good on you, Arizona, ACTUALLY looking out for public safety.
The problem with human drivers is not that they're human, it's that driver training and testing has been gutted over the last several decades. Enact reforms of how drivers are trained, tested, and held accountable, and these problems will go away. This may mean some people will not be allowed to drive ever again due to a consistent pattern of incompetence in spite of training and education; too bad, they can call Uber or Lyft or take a cab or the bus for all I care. But this UTTER NONSENSE some people spout about 'humans being banned (universally) from driving' is just that: UTTER COMPLETE NONSENSE -- ESPECIALLY when the machines these (you?) mouth-breathing fanbois think will 'save them' are clearly and objectively not capable of being any more competent than human drivers are RIGHT NOW.
GET THESE MACHINES OFF PUBLIC ROADS!
I would disagree. I see people modded down to (-1) for no reason other than not going along with the group-think, there are trolls here like there is everywhere else, and they manage to get mod points. There's no protection against having multiple accounts here, either, all you need is a valid email address that doesn't already have an account associated with it.
it's all a giant circle jerk with any difference of opinion being down voted into Oblivion
Kind of like this place? Or the Internet in general? :-/
You can REASON with a human being. You CANNOT REASON with these piece of crap pseudo-intelligent machines; even the programmers that created them don't know what the hell is going on under the hood. Get them off public roads!
Mod me as 'flamebait' all you want, people, IDGAF, I know damned well I'm FAR from alone in what I think about this, and no Echo Chamber is going to change that.
1. Encrypt your content so only the people with the key(s) can access it.
2. Don't put explicit terms in the filename.
Is this a real story from a real person trying to protect and preserve her privacy, or is it a propaganda story made up by the Australian government to try to convince people how futile it is to try to protect and preserve their privacy anymore?
One day, here in the U.S., the average people are going to wake up and realize what's been taken from them. On that day I will laugh sardonically at them all for having been so damned dumb.
I always thought the "three body problem" was how to ensure the other two don't get jealous of each other and ruin everything.
I've only ever looked at that place a couple times, and what I saw there was a mess to have to wade through, and the sort of content/conversations I was looking for were the same crap you'd find anywhere else.
This. Although you forgot "Meet with actual people, and actually interact with them". The Internet is no substitute for real social interaction with real people in real life. We're already seeing the effects of that on the generation that's growing up with it, and it's not a good thing.
That's all this is. Like other companies 'developing' this 'technology', he is protecting his companys' massive investment so he doesn't get fired. I have no doubt his shitty cars wouldn't have done any better -- NONE of them would have done any better, because it's a 'pseudo-intelligence' running them, not a real AI that can actually think, and like all other companies building this crap, they have rushed it to market to prevent investor revolt.
..oh, and by the way: It's real fucking easy for you SDC fanbois on the internet to shrug off the death of a fellow human being that you didn't know and never would have met, try to make it out as "all her fault", and so on, and to accuse me or anyone else of 'appeal to emotion' when we point out that even one human death at the hands of these machines is UNACCEPTABLE -- but I put to you that emotion has everything to do with this, and if you had even so much as met this woman, or better yet, had been a family member, you'd be singing a different tune about this -- and that if you really are capable of just shrugging this off like it didn't matter, then YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE and deserve to be BEATEN for it.
I want the damned things off public roads. NONE of it is even REMOTELY ready for general use, and likely never will be. We need REAL AI, not this fake pseudo-intelligence; your DOG or CAT is smarter than any of these pseudo-intelligent machines are. The systems of public roads in our civilization is designed by and for human drivers, who have an actual mind that can think and reason. If you want to build a machine mind that can even be the equivalent of a human driver (never mind 'better than' a human driver) then that machine mind needs to be a full-on Artificial Intelligence, that thinks and reasons like a human being, that can relate to human beings, understands the difference between a living being and an inanimate object, and more to the point, understands that a living human being is more intrinsically valuable than anything else, including itself. Currently, we do not have the technology to understand how and why a human brain is capable of what it's capable of; until we can understand that, we have precisely zero hope of designing machine intelligences that can match what humans posess by default; that is why the current approach to so-called 'self driving cars/driverless cars' is completely and totally wrong and a dead end.
HUMAN LIVES MATTER. That's what this so-called 'technology' is supposed to be about, right? You fanbois trot out your cherry-picked statistics about traffic deaths, convey your anecdotes about shitty drivers you've encountered, then speak in such flowery, blue-sky terms about how wonderful the world will be when no humans are allowed to drive a car anymore -- yet here we are, with one of your hero machines KILLING A HUMAN BEING.
NO MORE DEATHS AT THE HANDS OF SELF DRIVING CARS! GET THEM OFF THE ROADS!
Matter converted to energy and re-converted and re-assembled at the other end as matter. It's all you, end to end.
*sigh* No, it is NOT 'social media', you however are an idiot.
That's nice. And if the 'service' goes out of business, or there is some sort of Rights dispute with the content creator -- or your 'service' just decides that you don't have anything anymore, even if you paid for it -- then it's gone, and there's not a damned thing you can do about it. Also, enjoy knowing that ALL of your reading, listening, and viewing habits are now logged and surveiled: they know what you're doing, when you're doing it, and for how long. How does that make you feel, Hal? Loved? Or creeped out? When you own your own media, it's yours; someone would have to come to your house and physically take it from you. When you read a book, or watch a DVD/Bluray, or listen to a CD, it's nobody's business that you're doing that, and your privacy is intact. That's why owning physical copies of things is superior: they can't take it from you (or alter it after you buy it), and you use your media in privacy, and nobody has the right to know what you're reading/hearing/viewing.
..oh, and before you go off on a rant about how you think 'privacy doesn't matter', or 'I'm not doing anything wrong so I have nothing to fear', or 'people who want privacy must have something to hide', or 'people who think their privacy is being invaded are paranoid', or anything like that? I have no respect whatsoever for people who think that way, I think they're stupid to the extreme, and are giving away something that is beyond price, for free, to people and corporations and governments who do NOT have your best interests at heart, and I have no interest in having a conversation with people like that -- so if you're one of those, don't bother responding, I don't want to talk to you.
No, Microsoft is not squeezing out the Open Source solutions, they're annexing them, vis-a-vis a Linux environment that runs under Windows. Give 'em enough rope, and they'll have everything running subordinate to Windows, and they'll push the idea that you don't need anything other than Windows -- therefore there won't be anything other than Windows. At that point Microsoft hegemony will be complete; we'd be living in a Microsoft world, where your computer is de-facto owned and operated by Microsoft, because they'll have complete control of it, and you just 'get' to use it -- if they allow you to. Believe it: the ultimate monopoly. Not like they haven't tried to create monopolies before.
The bribe from China to Ajit Pai must not have appeared in his numbered offshore account yet, otherwise he wouldn't be 'reporting' this at all.
No worries, as soon as the funds show up he'll retract the whole thing, say it was a 'false alarm'.
1. Adblocker + NoScript = No ads (can't remember the last time I ever saw one, even)
2. Did you skim too fast over the part where I said "I don't use my real name online, ever"?
Troll harder, you're boring me.
None of which means shit when they don't know who I really am. Troll harder..
..says the festering, basement dwelling, cheetoh-eating trog, commenting on my comment on Slashdot.
..meanwhile, I'm over 6 feet tall, have a bodyfat percentage around 10%, have a decent face, a decent personality, and so on. You mad, manlet? xD xD xD
Well, I can see that the new Emperor of China intends to squeeze so hard that there'll be a persistent chilling effect on any sort of creativity. Guess he thinks he'll just be able to keep stealing creativity from the West ad infinitum.