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One Percent of Reddit Users Cause 75 Percent of the Drama (theoutline.com)
Just 1 percent of all Reddit communities set off 74 percent of all conflicts on the site, a new research has found. The Outline: In the self-published research from Srijan Kumar, Jure Leskoec, William Hamilton, and Dan Jurafsky of Stanford University, "intercommunity conflict" is defined as "negative sentiment to comment in another community." These users wouldn't necessarily qualify as trolls or sockpuppets; they're instigators, posting links to other subreddits and encouraging other users to target, harass, and fight with users on that subreddit.
Sadly, 74% actually seems low to me. - Just say'n....
___ I don't respond to Anonymous Cowards, and I Never Mod them UP.
..causes all the drama. The rest of us just make memes about it.
Sent from my TARDIS
A few people ruin it for all of us.
If they did this for a day or two, it would be the fault of that one percent of the users. After a month or two it would be the fault of the Reddit moderators and owners for putting up with the one percent of the users. After many years, all the remaining users are now to blame for putting up with the Reddit moderators and owners who put up with the one percent of the users.
The people that did this study are probably part of that 1% group trying to point fingers at other 1% members by blaming them for the drama?
my karma will be here long after I'm gone
Reddit discovers internet trolls are a thing.
Tries to claim they're something new and different this time.
Usenet, 4chan, et al. not mad, just disappointed.
Inheritance is the sincerest form of nepotism.
I thought the creimertards on Slashdot were bad enough.
This is at least as old as the British Empire.
"Hey, let's you and him fight. (While I sit over here actually running everything.)"
Nope, no sig
Let me guess, 99% of that 1% are SRS regulars aren't they?
I hope no one paid money for this study because this is a 'water is wet' fact right here. I'd love to know what dirt they've got on Spez to get away with breaking the rules the way they do.
when all is said and done, all a man has left are his blades and his honor.
After all, the percentage of drama went down 1% between the time msmash wrote the title and the time he started writing the summary. It's probably already at zero percent drama at this point.
#DeleteFacebook
bullshit. It's self-published research. In other words, poor methodology, questionable statistics, and conclusions unsupported by even a cursory look at their data. Note that it's only referenced by the Outline, a self-described "digital media company focused on power, culture and the future." No reputable journal would even look at this nonsense.
And pointing this out makes me their 1%. According to their "paper," the above observation means I'm toxic.
Is this the trash that makes it on Slashdot these days?
There is no Comedy. Look an Daniel Tosh. Drama Queen of Comedy. I don't get how he is still on. Other than he is really, really, really cheap.
1% of the Reddit users have 90% of the comments/posts that solicit debate and controversy. The other 99% spend all their time in pseudo-intellectual masturbation and patting each other on the back in a self-congratulatory echo chamber!
large subs, with lots of readers seem to have way more trolls per capita than the small technical or special interest subs.
There is probably also another converse rule, that for the most part about 1% of users actually creates useful posts, and the rest just cut and paste memes or just reading, never posting anything. Or they're sock puppets...
As the imgur kerfluffle proved, it is trivial to abuse the system in ways that will bend everybody out of shape. It has been that way for a long time and their fixes have proven ineffective.
It's also just 1% drama-queens.
People will criticize each other, grow up.
I could not find a definition of 'conflict' in this research.
Only: "examining cases where users of one community are mobilized by negative sentiment to comment in another community."
Wow, that included normal criticism, is this thought control?
Of course it's fine for a platform like Reddit to manage disagreements between communities.
But calling it a 'conflict' is ridiculous.
Thank you, Bradley Manning, Edward Snowden and so many others, for courageously defending humanity, my freedom and more!
The same can be said for this site. Man, SOME people are SO annoying!
> Less than 1% of the population are NRA members. 15% of the U.S. population votes Republican
So gun enthusiasts and Republicans are the problem. Without them, life would be good. OK.
These users wouldn't necessarily qualify as trolls or sockpuppets; they're instigators, posting links to other subreddits and encouraging other users to target, harass, and fight with users on that subreddit.
For those of us old enough to remember what the word "troll" used to mean back in the usenet days, that sounds exactly like what we used to call a troll. Of course now the term has been adopted by the mainstream media, the meaning has changed to mean more someone that causes offence or attacks others.
I think it's time that we reintroduce an old concept, Ostracism .
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
SRS, just sayin'.
The Internet? The entire public space — off and online — is like that. In a reasonably free society, at least. And always has been...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
I think it's indisputable that a small number of people create the majority of chaos in any social circle. However, I've observed an increasing percentage of online participants that cannot ignore anything they disagree with (yes, this is a behavior with a long and glorious tradition https://xkcd.com/386/ ).
Everyone seems to be so damn serious these days and no incursion against our beliefs can remain unchallenged (exacerbated by the fact that sarcasm is easily missed when it's in written form). The 1% want drama and we give it to them. The oldest counsel is best: Don't Feed The Trolls.
1% of Reddit's userbase = several million users. Seems pretty disingenuous to go with percents when dealing with populations larger than most US states.
And even then, I'm not all that surprised. Lots of the angrier subs that tend to spawn the instigators tend to hold active discussions among the users, compared to the larger benign ones that mostly exist to repost porn and imgur links (then get subsequently raided by the active, angry subs).
https://www.smbc-comics.com/?i...
We all allow the few to screw things up for the rest of us.
80% of the problems are caused by 20% of the people.
Then there are the 1% ers.
Pareto Principle. Roughly 80% of the effects come from 20% of the causes. Reddit seems extreme, but it's not unusual.
Well, the Pareto principle you quote is a factor of (one in) five. This is a factor of a hundred. I'd say that's extreme, yes.
Can anyone think of something where this doesn't apply?
since you seem to define "this" as meaning "X percent of the input causes Y percent of the output," I'd say that this is always true
They are the kind of folks that like to throw matches, yell 'Fire' in a crowded room, etc. They enjoy watching the mayhem that results. Rarely do they continue with the discussion - once the fire has been set, they are more than happy to watch others fan the flames. And, unfortunately, these folks are the primary downside to anonymity.
Unlike trolls - they actually think about what they are writing, posting, etc. in an effort to obtain maximum response, damage, etc. Rather than just flame-bait, knee-jerk, responses. Rarely do they have a political agenda - just as happy to post anti-2nd amendment screed on a pro-2nd amendment site, as the opposite.
My (team, phone, band, brand, car, Ghod, etc.) is better than your (team, phone, band, brand, car, Ghod, etc.).
Not only do they disagree - they are disagreeable in their disagreement.
In short, it's the type & volume of response they are looking for. Not necessarily from a specific individual or group.
What to do with them? Same as swatters, and physical arsonists - out them for what they are... sociopaths.
Fred In IT
Link to the actual work, instead of an article commenting on it:
abstract
Community Interaction and Conflict on the Web
I could not find a definition of 'conflict' in this research.
The actual paper: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1803.036... states:
Thus: conflict is defined as cases where (crowdsourced) evaluators label a sentiment toward the source post as negative, rather than neutral or positive.
There's a Muslim extremist on one sub who runs dozens of alts which argue with themselves.
He has a number of characters- Christian, Muslim, atheist, Jewish and makes them "debate" each other.
The strategy is to make each char have such an extreme position so that he, as the Muslim mod, can stand out as the lone voice of sanity.
It's quite amusing to watch.
He's also doxxed himself and then uses that a pretext to get other users shadowbanned.
So much of research and news is rediscovering that many real world effects are Pareto/exponential distributions. Also known as variations of the 20-80 rule, 20 (can be 10, 30) percent of X cause 80 (can be 70, 90) percent of Y. The important point is that a few actors cause many effects. True in crime statistics, auto accidents, network internet traffic, income and wealth distributions, GDP (20 percent of countries produce 80 percent of GDP), customers and sales or profit, etc, etc. 1 percent of Reddit users and 74 percent of conflict is Pareto/ exponential equivalent to 20 percent of users cause 90 percent of conflict. If schools taught everyone statistics, and along with the binomial distribution the exponential/ Pareto distribution, we would see a lot fewer reports of the few causing many. Just as we do not see stories about the normal distribution of effects around the average.
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Very dangerous. They can seemingly reproduce out of the cosmic background radiation, even if you step on twelve of them, there's always one you miss.
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Only a concerted, targeted downmodding campaign has been shown effective in controlling this dangerous pest.
Experience shows that stopping such a campaign leads to C. Lepidoptera Creimerus returning within days.
Don't let it happen again!
Only 1.1% of all reddit users ever write something to start with.
Loser
the_donald. at what point do you kill cancer? immediately. unless you're reddit.
I've only ever looked at that place a couple times, and what I saw there was a mess to have to wade through, and the sort of content/conversations I was looking for were the same crap you'd find anywhere else.
First off, why the hell are you directing traffic to a bullshit aggregator when the original paper is RIGHT THERE?
Second, wtf are they talking about? Ah: "examining cases where users of one community are mobilized by negative sentiment to comment in another community." ie, "Brigading" for anyone not in the know.
Third, The paper never mentions "Drama", they're exclusively talking about this sort of conflict that comes from brigading. IE, 1% of reddit communities do the brigading thing. (Because that's what they can track. Of course they can't track all drama in Reddit, it'd just be a list of all posts)
Fourth, The paper says 1% of communities, not 1% of users. Which is, kind of a DUH statement. There are topics which are political and those who are dedicated towards shifting other people's opinions, but most aren't. Nobody in ELI5 is going to be wing-nut extremist educationalist rousing the masses to explain, en-mass, complex topics in simple terms to other communities.
This is why you don't link to a bullshit opinion pieces re-interpreting a paper. Does slashdot even have editors anymore?
We have our share of those particular users here as well. I mean, tech.slashdot.org is pretty okay and I like it here. But those Apple fanboys, shiiieieeeeet do they get under my skin. Those pasty-white hipster monkey felchers ought to be taught a lesson.
Okay everybody with mod points, go to apple.slashdot.org and BURN IT TO THE GROUND!
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I guess that means their system of voting/moderation/reputation needs to be reworked.
creimer sock puppet post to build up his karma!
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and mod down his submissions as well. The great thing is that you don't even need mod points to mod down a submission, just click on the "minus" icon!
Yes, believe it or not, creimer owns all the above sock puppet accounts. It is a mystery why Slashdot management tolerates it!
creimer wrote:
I don't bother with mod points. I'm doing something much more sinister. It took ten story submissions ? I'll have to double check the number ? to move cdreimer's karma from neutral to excellent without ever being exposed to the capricious mods. Mmmmmwwwwahahahahahahaha!
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Danger, Will Robinson, Danger! Creimy is posting more than 2 posts a day. Hurry! mod down otherwise /. will go to hell again!
Note: you can mod down even if already at -1 to lower karma and to prevent lost /. users to accidentally mod up.
creimer wrote:
All you need to do is find a website with a permissive TOS, say, Slashdot, create a Python script to scrape your own comments, sprinkle Amazon affiliate links in various posts, and then re-post past links whenever possible. Won't be long before you start making "coffee money" each month.
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C.D. Reimer is a renowned Slashdot collaborator, as he puts it himself; "Because of the quality of my posts and my article submissions, I'm a highly rated commentator and moderator."
But does anybody ever wondered what "C.D." stands for? Well, it stands for Creimy Dumpty of course!
Creimy Dumpty sat on the wall,
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All the king's horses
And all the king's men
Couldn't put Creimy Dumpty
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With "Vice President Pence Vowing US Astronauts Will Return To the Moon", we are sure they will need miracle workers up there, here is what it would look like. Note that Creimy takes care of bringing a lot of food to the moon as depicted below:
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Before the sex change:
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Creimy's "enterprise-level" chair, he ta
Can I just say, I told you so? We just had this discussion when the article came up about the CEO of Reddit scripting his own site to change posts. People accused specific pages on Reddit of being full of trolls. I disagreed and said that its very few people who cause trouble. All the CEO had to do was ban these people and it would have actually addressed the problem.
Life would probably be better without Republicans.
Fewer guns seems unlikely to help much. Look at the UK. Guns are illegal as all hell and there are still appalling levels of crime and violence. Far fewer killings than in the US, but the rest of the crime rates are just not good enough to brag about.
Actually I take it back, it's not even far fewer killings, only far fewer firearm killings.
It's probably that one dude who made 50,000 pro-islam edits on wikipedia. I forgot his name, but he was notorious for abusing the site. I also think he's active on the slower boards on 4chan, pretending to be a nazi arguing with a jew. First he spews anti-semitic theories that are basically insane, and then he comes back as the jew saying white people have low iqs and are savages and crap, basically making both sides look like nasty idiots.
I thought there was more than 1% women on the internet by now.
They're right to fight for their rights for aquality/piss off everyone
considering 99% are lurkers
Contrarians? Thinkers? Debaters? Those willing to ask questions and challenge the status quo.
Heck perhaps none of these things, perhaps they simply have a difference of opinion?
Look up Nicholas Taleb and his "Minority Rule". Drinks are made Kosher cause non-Kosher people don't care.
The vocal minority/squeaky wheel gets the action.
A minority peddles propaganda (government agents, corporate media) the people agree we should bomb other nations!
Nothing ever starts with a majority suddenly going "Yeah, let's go to space!"
It starts with a small group with a demand/message to spread. They use the means they have to increase the buy-in.
It used to be a nice site until Obama did his AMA and filled the site with shills from US govt and ShareBlue. Vast majority of users are trash who migrated after digg collapsed; they brought along with them other waste from Facebook, Youtube, Twitter, and other shitty social media sites. reddit is a huge mess now.
People aren't reading or understanding the article. It's not individuals causing the issues per se, meaning a lone user goes into a sub and winds it up, it's specific communities/subreddits that are the source of the drama. Subreddits are a collection of like minded individuals. They often police their ranks and remove users and delete comments that don't meet the status quote creating an echo chamber. This creates communities where trolling is the norm, and they troll other neutral, popular subreddits.
Actually I take it back, it's not even far fewer killings, only far fewer firearm killings.
Source please....
I could only find data for 2014, were the US had 4.4 homicides per 100k and the UK had 0.9 per 100k (https://knoema.com/atlas/topics/Crime-Statistics/Homicides/Homicide-rate)
So..based on that, you are not just wrong, but extremely wrong.
We used to just call them trouble makers.