I know I said I'm tired of discussing this but look at this:
"What doing more than 40 push-ups in 1 minute might do for your heart health"
"Men who can do at least 40 push-ups are less at risk of heart disease, study says"
"How Many Push-Ups Can You Do? It May Be a Good Predictor of Heart Health"
"Men who can do 40 push-ups have lower risk of heart disease, study says"
"Who knew it was so simple? A new study says the number of push-ups a middle-age man can do may be a good indicator of his risk for heart..."
"Benefits of doing push-ups everyday: Push-up capacity may indicate cardiovascular disease risk in men"
Those are all headlines in today's news. The misinterpretation is already beginning. Give it a week and it'll be "Pushups cure heart disease" or somesuch shit.:-(
Oh shove it up your ass. Trotting out this "TDS" bullshit is on the same shitty low level as using the term "virtue signalling" or calling someone a "social justice warrior" just because you don't like what they have to say. You're not going to have any chance of having any sort of actual conversation with me when you spout crap like that so how about you just bugger off? You're not going to make me love that asshole no matter WHAT you say to me so just knock it the fuck off. Attempting to marginalize an ENTIRE HUGE SEGMENT of the citizenry of this country is NOT going to make points with anyone./subject
Lately too many 'scientists' make 'press releases' of 'studies' more for purposes of attracting funding sources than for informing anyone of Important Scientific Discoveries; this is Complaint #1 I have about this (and things like it).
Being the foolish person I am, I hold out the Hope that we can re-program people to actually WANT to exercise, be healthy people, and find reasons/excuses/internal motivation to do that, without anyone holding a gun to their head to make them do it. When they release half-asses 'studies' like this (for reasons explained above), it either misleads those who can't properly understand it, or it's misquoted/misinterpreted by someone else, or whatever, the end affect being people find Yet Another Reason to reinforce their innate desire to be sedentary; this is Compaint #2.
I don't have a Complaint #3 or beyond. I'm actually sick of discussing this now. But if you and whoever don't get me by now then you never will./subject
You get a Gold Star, AC, for grasping the reality of the much-hyped, so-called 'AI' they keep trotting out. Until we have the instrumentality to actually understand how a living brain functions (which we do not), we won't have any idea how 'thinking' or 'consciousness' actually works.
Spread the word. Make more people understand what you now know. Fight the hype.
If I lived in Arizona I'd first refuse utterly to comply with this if it were passed into law. Then if that failed I'd pack up and leave Arizona. My DNA is nobodys' business but mine. If passed into law somehow (doubt it) I'd recommend everyone in Arizona who is affected refuse to comply. It's too nasty of a precedent if this is actually allowed to become Arizona law.
Come on, humans, stop bringing always-on/always-connected surveillance devices into your homes. Isn't it bad enough most of you carry a mobile wireless surveillance platform with you all day every day, you have to have them in every room of your house, too? Please, humans, you're embarassing yourselves.
*shrug* I don't see it, and I, among so many others, have come to distrust anything that comes out of that sonofabitchs' mouth; and before you get all offended at that (if you get offended at that, that is): Trump notoriously and consistently doesn't listen to anyone about much of anything, 'experts', 'officials', or not. Easy enough to think it's some hare-brained idea of his own.
25mph average speed over 100 miles, solo? Ha. A top-tier Pro road racer (Tour de France level, that is) at their peak level of fitness for the year would have a hard time pulling that off as a solo rider, even on a totally flat-as-a-board course (before you say it: the peloton travels faster than any solo rider). An averagely-talented amateur might be able to average 25mph in a 10 to 25 mile time-trial (assuming they have a TT bike and stay 'aero' the whole time). I take it from your comment you're not a road racer who trains all year 'round? Sorry but you couldn't do 100 miles in 4 hours. The first full Century I did, about 10 years ago, I did in somewhere between 6 and 7 hours. A few years ago I and a couple teammates did a local Century, and we did it in between 5 and 6 hours, and that's trading off drafting each other.
"..proud of yourself."
LOL I'll be 'proud of myself' when I actually earn a spot on the podium at a road race. But that doesn't mean I don't have a strong, healthy heart, regardless of how many pushups I can't do.
Here's the problem I have with what you just said: We have the Air Force; we also have the Army Air Corps, and Marine Air. If you apply your logic to this then why do we have air services in all branches of the military instead of just letting the Air Force do it all?
I stand by my original statement. The Air Force could handle the vast majority of space-related operations. If it comes down to actual hand-to-hand combat in space then send in the Marines. We don't need another branch of the military just for that.
Since you're being so 'frank' I guess I'll return the favor: You can take your condescending attitude and stick it where the sun don't shine.
Amateur-level or not, I am an actual athlete with 10+ years experience training and competing, I know what is and what is not 'physically fit' and 'healthy', and 'studies' like this one are stupid, misleading, and I really wish they wouldn't bother releasing them to the public like this, it just mucks up the works.
It's almost impossible as-is to get people to do ANY exercise of ANY kind, and crap like this ends up interpreted as "just do pushups and your heart will be healthy".
As stated elsewhere: The problem I have with 'studies' like these is they're taken all wrong by people, are misleading, and too many people will assume that just because they can do 40 pushups then they don't have to worry about heart disease. Meanwhile they're fat and have no endurance and get diseased anyway. It's just like all the stupid diet 'studies' they do that mislead people into eating stupidly.
"That's actually not that impressive. A reasonably fit rider on a 10 speed bike should be able to pull off 25 mph.
There is 'aerobic endurance' which is your all-day intensity, then there's 'muscular endurance at anaerobic threshold', which is being able to sustain a high pace for an extended period of time (up to 60 minutes for the most fit riders), then there's 'anaerobic' intensity, like when you're sprinting -- or some average fitness person on a bike riding at 25mph for 10-15 seconds, before they start gasping for air and have to slow down.
Additionally, nobody calls them 'tenspeeds' anymore, and I don't anyone has produced a new 2x5 road bike in several decades, they're all at least 2x10 or 2x11, so you're really not convincing me you have the knowledge to really be contradicting me on this. "Personally, I can easily crank out a set of 80 pushups.."
You're right, I don't care. There's a fitness forum I frequent full of gym-rats who have big bulging muscles but can't run 5km without practically dying. I really can't keep a straight face when they call themselves 'physically fit'. Cardio-vascular health is built much easier with aerobic conditioning than any amount of upper-body strengthening. Anyone who actually wants to be considered 'physically fit' needs to do BOTH on a regular basis. That's why I scoff at this 'study', because it's using one of the most ridiculous method of predicting cardio-vascular health I could possibly imagine.
"The study also doesn't claim that push-ups are a perfect predictor, just a better one than treadmill testing.
Yeah well I disagree and I haven't heard or read anything to change my mind. "Are you trying to provide evidence that your level of scientific understanding is lacking? If so... Well done! "
Screw you, buddy.
Meanwhile there's a place online I know of where there are gym-rats galore who can't run a simple 5 kilometers without falling over and passing out, but that have huge bulging muscles. Nope, nope, nope, I don't care how big your muscles are, if you don't specifically do aerobic endurance work as well then you can't claim you're 'physically fit', and aerobic endurance work is what's best for cardio-vascular health. Trying to get cardio health by doing upper-body work is the long and not too smart way around it.
Endurance athlete (bicycle road racing) here,
How is it 'a better measure of cardiovascular health' than measuring actual endurance?
Read my other comment: https://science.slashdot.org/c...
'Correlation is not causation' is a two-way street. I can't even do 10 pushups, but I can ride a bike 100 miles in under 6 hours, no problem, but you're going to tell me I'm at higher risk of heart disease? Nonsense. I have low bodyfat percentage, high HDLs, low LDLs, high endurance, high leg strength, and lots of muscular endurance where I need it most (below the waist). Doing pushups is meaningless, overall health and fitness is everything.
That's a great idea they have, right up until some dickless wonder from the EPA shows up with a court order and shuts down the power to your/dev/null containment grid, and all the NULLs come exploding out all over New York, creating all sorts of havoc.
..and in case you didn't get it: it's a Ghostbusters reference.:-)
I found it very amusing for some reason that the first thing I thought of when I read the title of TFA was 'null.dev' -- and the first comment I see under it is about 'null.dev' as well.:-)
No, friend, there are those who actually do believe in this nonsense, and that by extension the 'Moon landings' were faked. Someone really should round these people up and treat them for their delusions(s) before they injure themselves or someone else.
Slashdot Mirror
Hear, hear.
I know I said I'm tired of discussing this but look at this: :-(
"What doing more than 40 push-ups in 1 minute might do for your heart health"
"Men who can do at least 40 push-ups are less at risk of heart disease, study says"
"How Many Push-Ups Can You Do? It May Be a Good Predictor of Heart Health"
"Men who can do 40 push-ups have lower risk of heart disease, study says"
"Who knew it was so simple? A new study says the number of push-ups a middle-age man can do may be a good indicator of his risk for heart..."
"Benefits of doing push-ups everyday: Push-up capacity may indicate cardiovascular disease risk in men"
Those are all headlines in today's news. The misinterpretation is already beginning. Give it a week and it'll be "Pushups cure heart disease" or somesuch shit.
Oh shove it up your ass. Trotting out this "TDS" bullshit is on the same shitty low level as using the term "virtue signalling" or calling someone a "social justice warrior" just because you don't like what they have to say. You're not going to have any chance of having any sort of actual conversation with me when you spout crap like that so how about you just bugger off? You're not going to make me love that asshole no matter WHAT you say to me so just knock it the fuck off. Attempting to marginalize an ENTIRE HUGE SEGMENT of the citizenry of this country is NOT going to make points with anyone. /subject
Lately too many 'scientists' make 'press releases' of 'studies' more for purposes of attracting funding sources than for informing anyone of Important Scientific Discoveries; this is Complaint #1 I have about this (and things like it).
/subject
Being the foolish person I am, I hold out the Hope that we can re-program people to actually WANT to exercise, be healthy people, and find reasons/excuses/internal motivation to do that, without anyone holding a gun to their head to make them do it. When they release half-asses 'studies' like this (for reasons explained above), it either misleads those who can't properly understand it, or it's misquoted/misinterpreted by someone else, or whatever, the end affect being people find Yet Another Reason to reinforce their innate desire to be sedentary; this is Compaint #2.
I don't have a Complaint #3 or beyond. I'm actually sick of discussing this now. But if you and whoever don't get me by now then you never will.
You get a Gold Star, AC, for grasping the reality of the much-hyped, so-called 'AI' they keep trotting out. Until we have the instrumentality to actually understand how a living brain functions (which we do not), we won't have any idea how 'thinking' or 'consciousness' actually works.
Spread the word. Make more people understand what you now know. Fight the hype.
If I lived in Arizona I'd first refuse utterly to comply with this if it were passed into law. Then if that failed I'd pack up and leave Arizona. My DNA is nobodys' business but mine. If passed into law somehow (doubt it) I'd recommend everyone in Arizona who is affected refuse to comply. It's too nasty of a precedent if this is actually allowed to become Arizona law.
Come on, humans, stop bringing always-on/always-connected surveillance devices into your homes. Isn't it bad enough most of you carry a mobile wireless surveillance platform with you all day every day, you have to have them in every room of your house, too? Please, humans, you're embarassing yourselves.
*shrug* I don't see it, and I, among so many others, have come to distrust anything that comes out of that sonofabitchs' mouth; and before you get all offended at that (if you get offended at that, that is): Trump notoriously and consistently doesn't listen to anyone about much of anything, 'experts', 'officials', or not. Easy enough to think it's some hare-brained idea of his own.
25mph average speed over 100 miles, solo? Ha. A top-tier Pro road racer (Tour de France level, that is) at their peak level of fitness for the year would have a hard time pulling that off as a solo rider, even on a totally flat-as-a-board course (before you say it: the peloton travels faster than any solo rider). An averagely-talented amateur might be able to average 25mph in a 10 to 25 mile time-trial (assuming they have a TT bike and stay 'aero' the whole time). I take it from your comment you're not a road racer who trains all year 'round? Sorry but you couldn't do 100 miles in 4 hours. The first full Century I did, about 10 years ago, I did in somewhere between 6 and 7 hours. A few years ago I and a couple teammates did a local Century, and we did it in between 5 and 6 hours, and that's trading off drafting each other.
"..proud of yourself."
LOL I'll be 'proud of myself' when I actually earn a spot on the podium at a road race. But that doesn't mean I don't have a strong, healthy heart, regardless of how many pushups I can't do.
Here's the problem I have with what you just said: We have the Air Force; we also have the Army Air Corps, and Marine Air. If you apply your logic to this then why do we have air services in all branches of the military instead of just letting the Air Force do it all?
I stand by my original statement. The Air Force could handle the vast majority of space-related operations. If it comes down to actual hand-to-hand combat in space then send in the Marines. We don't need another branch of the military just for that.
Since you're being so 'frank' I guess I'll return the favor: You can take your condescending attitude and stick it where the sun don't shine.
Amateur-level or not, I am an actual athlete with 10+ years experience training and competing, I know what is and what is not 'physically fit' and 'healthy', and 'studies' like this one are stupid, misleading, and I really wish they wouldn't bother releasing them to the public like this, it just mucks up the works.
It's almost impossible as-is to get people to do ANY exercise of ANY kind, and crap like this ends up interpreted as "just do pushups and your heart will be healthy".
As stated elsewhere: The problem I have with 'studies' like these is they're taken all wrong by people, are misleading, and too many people will assume that just because they can do 40 pushups then they don't have to worry about heart disease. Meanwhile they're fat and have no endurance and get diseased anyway. It's just like all the stupid diet 'studies' they do that mislead people into eating stupidly.
>low-quality bait
You have to go back: http://boards.4chan.org/b/
Correct. Difference between 'aerobic endurance' and 'anaerobic endurance'.
"That's actually not that impressive. A reasonably fit rider on a 10 speed bike should be able to pull off 25 mph.
There is 'aerobic endurance' which is your all-day intensity, then there's 'muscular endurance at anaerobic threshold', which is being able to sustain a high pace for an extended period of time (up to 60 minutes for the most fit riders), then there's 'anaerobic' intensity, like when you're sprinting -- or some average fitness person on a bike riding at 25mph for 10-15 seconds, before they start gasping for air and have to slow down.
Additionally, nobody calls them 'tenspeeds' anymore, and I don't anyone has produced a new 2x5 road bike in several decades, they're all at least 2x10 or 2x11, so you're really not convincing me you have the knowledge to really be contradicting me on this.
"Personally, I can easily crank out a set of 80 pushups.."
You're right, I don't care. There's a fitness forum I frequent full of gym-rats who have big bulging muscles but can't run 5km without practically dying. I really can't keep a straight face when they call themselves 'physically fit'. Cardio-vascular health is built much easier with aerobic conditioning than any amount of upper-body strengthening. Anyone who actually wants to be considered 'physically fit' needs to do BOTH on a regular basis. That's why I scoff at this 'study', because it's using one of the most ridiculous method of predicting cardio-vascular health I could possibly imagine.
"The study also doesn't claim that push-ups are a perfect predictor, just a better one than treadmill testing.
Yeah well I disagree and I haven't heard or read anything to change my mind.
"Are you trying to provide evidence that your level of scientific understanding is lacking? If so... Well done! "
Screw you, buddy.
Meanwhile there's a place online I know of where there are gym-rats galore who can't run a simple 5 kilometers without falling over and passing out, but that have huge bulging muscles. Nope, nope, nope, I don't care how big your muscles are, if you don't specifically do aerobic endurance work as well then you can't claim you're 'physically fit', and aerobic endurance work is what's best for cardio-vascular health. Trying to get cardio health by doing upper-body work is the long and not too smart way around it.
Between the Air Force and the Marines this could be covered, we don't need a special separate branch of our military to do this.
Walking or running is pretty trivial.
Says the AC who likely doesn't do any of the above.
Endurance athlete (bicycle road racing) here,
How is it 'a better measure of cardiovascular health' than measuring actual endurance?
Read my other comment: https://science.slashdot.org/c...
'Correlation is not causation' is a two-way street. I can't even do 10 pushups, but I can ride a bike 100 miles in under 6 hours, no problem, but you're going to tell me I'm at higher risk of heart disease? Nonsense. I have low bodyfat percentage, high HDLs, low LDLs, high endurance, high leg strength, and lots of muscular endurance where I need it most (below the waist). Doing pushups is meaningless, overall health and fitness is everything.
Personally I've always wanted no_one@nowhere.org, but they won't sell email service to anyone. :-(
That's a great idea they have, right up until some dickless wonder from the EPA shows up with a court order and shuts down the power to your /dev/null containment grid, and all the NULLs come exploding out all over New York, creating all sorts of havoc.
..and in case you didn't get it: it's a Ghostbusters reference. :-)
I found it very amusing for some reason that the first thing I thought of when I read the title of TFA was 'null.dev' -- and the first comment I see under it is about 'null.dev' as well. :-)
No, friend, there are those who actually do believe in this nonsense, and that by extension the 'Moon landings' were faked. Someone really should round these people up and treat them for their delusions(s) before they injure themselves or someone else.