WTF is a "mooreite"? The easiest way to discredit someone seems to be to label them, these days. The poster explicitly said he agreed with some of Michael Moore's statements and disagreed with some of them.
It's too simple to just discount someone the way you did.
Dammit, I look at the world and when I see people dividing themselves into camps of "left" and "right" I just go numb with sorrow. It's so dumb, why not focus on every issue specifically. We're human, not package deals.
Michael Moore is bringing an interesting message to the mainstream - that's not to say that he doesn't lose (perhaps too many) things in the translation.
What if I were to just call people I disagreed with "randroids" or "ESR"-ites or McCarthyists or communists or republicans?
An argument can be dismissed, sure - but even a blind chicken finds the corn occasionally. Or however that idiom goes in English.
X still has no inherent support for AA fonts, which is definitely something that should be addressed at that level and not at some higher level.
May I ask why? I think it does fine at an ever-so-slightly higher level and I think the X-based architecture is looking better and better every day, with things like Cairo going on, so I'm curious of your opinion.
Quartz is a very interesting architecture and I do wish it was free, but we've got some good shit going on as well.
But darlings, we're competing amongst ourselves. Cooperation is the solution. It's kind of a bummer that Bruce went this route since I have a hunch that the projects would've merged within a couple of years. And they got to, I mean really.
Using the same session managers, settling on a file manager, a configuration system, and so on.
Both QT and GTK could still be available as options for developers, if they were made compatible.
Is the KDE Control Center easy enough to use to be a normal interface? I find both pretty hard to grokk, but I manage. Hard for me to be objective in the matter...
Yeah, I definitely agree, this is a big part of the problem, and I've thought so for a long time. I install KDE every now and then, but remove it after a couple of hours. I install Gnome every now and then, and keep it for a couple of days at least. And even when I'm not running Gnome, I'm running Sodipodi, The Gimp and other GTK-apps.
I guess people are so in love with a light-weight, message passing microkernel that they keep using it even though it's basically a proprietary platform. Takes all kinds...
Don't know how it is in the GNOME camp, but KDE mostly uses auto-layout, so apps don't really specify how many pixels from the edge buttons are.
Most modern GUI toolkits I've seen work like that. It was a truly bad example, and I'm sorry. (Someone told me that the original Mac HIG specified that and I thought that that was something the toolkit should take care of, so I couldn't drop that from my brain and it snuck in as an example, more like a simile than an actual example.)
HIGs, though great, are much less valuable than usability testing by people of all kinds.
I never said it was right from the start, I just said I hoped they'd done it right from the start.
It seems like they at least had the forethought to separate the various interfaces so he could change the backend.
I don't speak for Havoc, he has done a lot of quirky stuff and mistakes over the years, but I'm still a fan. Some of his stuff has changed the way I look at free software for the better.
You are correct - one of my friends stayed for the longest time from Gnome 2 because of the reversed layout.
Though I meant in a more mundane sense like "how many pixels from the edge", that kind of stuff.
Not that that should be specified in pixels, literally, but eh. I don't know. It's not a mundane issue, you win. I'm just so saddened because the two camps can't get along.
Yeah, I like GConf from a UI point of view, but how is it implemented "under the hood"? I heard MS are moving away from having the registry as one big clunky file and I just hope the gnome folk have had the forethought to do it right from the start.
Some random opinion on GNOME vs KDE that I really ought to shut up about since noone's listening but hey, it's saturday morning:
GNOME 1.x sucked, 2.x is hmm, better, but has a long way to go
I'm aesthetically displeased with KDE all versions. This is a personal quirk of mine but it's strange.
The usability progress in Gnome is interesting and it makes me curious.
I honestly find zsh+ the gnu fileutils a lot easier to use and figure out than Konqueror.
Nautilus is still slooow.
KDE seems haunted by bad luck - everyone with a name (contrary to the polled masses, maybe) picks Gnome over them.
I never liked the TigerT-icon-fashion of gnome fame, even though I like some of his other art. (Though I hate rubbish "crystal" KDE icons where the folders just look like square blobs instead of folders. Eazel had some good shit going in the art division, and KDE's Slicker looks ok.)
The war between them is harmful and I wish they could merge. Like seriously merge. Like having qt use gtk. Like choosing gconf. And kwin. Or whatever. I have no preferences, I just think that they're both horribly incomplete when compared to each other. We have plenty of competition from non-free shit already. Time to drink each other's peace-kool-aid.
Like using the same widget tool kit and share subsets of each other's HIG. No need to share philosophy (like the number of options) yet, but things like button placement and other mundane non-hot buttons.
#1 is void because the contracts between Wal-Mart and Wal-Mart employees are engaged voluntarily
Huh. I see it more like the employees are victims of a con game, if they're even in a situation in their life where they can be considered having a reasonable choice other than being exploited by wal-mart. What the hell does "voluntarily" mean in a situation like that? Is it even meaningful? I love freedom, I really do - and the current situation for wal-mart employees is a problem IMVHO, and I don't see much "freedom" in their lives. Capitalism may well be great (I'm not a fan) but I wish that even its proponents would recognize the misery perpetrated in its name.
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WTF is a "mooreite"? The easiest way to discredit someone seems to be to label them, these days. The poster explicitly said he agreed with some of Michael Moore's statements and disagreed with some of them.
It's too simple to just discount someone the way you did.
Dammit, I look at the world and when I see people dividing themselves into camps of "left" and "right" I just go numb with sorrow. It's so dumb, why not focus on every issue specifically. We're human, not package deals.
Michael Moore is bringing an interesting message to the mainstream - that's not to say that he doesn't lose (perhaps too many) things in the translation.
What if I were to just call people I disagreed with "randroids" or "ESR"-ites or McCarthyists or communists or republicans?
An argument can be dismissed, sure - but even a blind chicken finds the corn occasionally. Or however that idiom goes in English.
Really? I just don't see any advantage except that it looks cool.
May I ask why? I think it does fine at an ever-so-slightly higher level and I think the X-based architecture is looking better and better every day, with things like Cairo going on, so I'm curious of your opinion.
Quartz is a very interesting architecture and I do wish it was free, but we've got some good shit going on as well.
Backlit keyboards are useless, distracting trinkets, they're yet another thing that can break, and I make a point of avoiding computers with them.
No, I use Debian.
Yeah, I guess you're right.
It's just that it sparked some flames again.
But darlings, we're competing amongst ourselves.
Cooperation is the solution.
It's kind of a bummer that Bruce went this route since I have a hunch that the projects would've merged within a couple of years.
And they got to, I mean really.
Using the same session managers, settling on a file manager, a configuration system, and so on.
Both QT and GTK could still be available as options for developers, if they were made compatible.
On competition.
Neither konq nor moz starts on my old computer, and both do on my new one, so I might as well use Moz since I like it the best.
Is the KDE Control Center easy enough to use to be a normal interface? I find both pretty hard to grokk, but I manage. Hard for me to be objective in the matter...
Trix are for kids.
Commercialism breeds lies, perhaps? Or just competition.
I still which the two camps could just merge.
Yeah, I definitely agree, this is a big part of the problem, and I've thought so for a long time.
I install KDE every now and then, but remove it after a couple of hours.
I install Gnome every now and then, and keep it for a couple of days at least. And even when I'm not running Gnome, I'm running Sodipodi, The Gimp and other GTK-apps.
I guess people are so in love with a light-weight, message passing microkernel that they keep using it even though it's basically a proprietary platform. Takes all kinds...
I guess you're right.
Just goes to show that now matter how unbiased I try to be, I'll forget about stuff that happens in the KDE world.
To me, and this is looking/talking subjectively, the gnome world seems to be a world of rock stars like Havoc, Nat and others.
Maybe KDE looks that way for a KDE-head?
I actually use neither at the moment. Both desktops are annoyingly bad. Though I use a lot of apps from the gnome/gtk world.
What does that mean? In what sense?
Most modern GUI toolkits I've seen work like that. It was a truly bad example, and I'm sorry. (Someone told me that the original Mac HIG specified that and I thought that that was something the toolkit should take care of, so I couldn't drop that from my brain and it snuck in as an example, more like a simile than an actual example.)
HIGs, though great, are much less valuable than usability testing by people of all kinds.
I never said it was right from the start, I just said I hoped they'd done it right from the start.
It seems like they at least had the forethought to separate the various interfaces so he could change the backend.
I don't speak for Havoc, he has done a lot of quirky stuff and mistakes over the years, but I'm still a fan. Some of his stuff has changed the way I look at free software for the better.
You are correct - one of my friends stayed for the longest time from Gnome 2 because of the reversed layout.
Though I meant in a more mundane sense like "how many pixels from the edge", that kind of stuff.
Not that that should be specified in pixels, literally, but eh. I don't know. It's not a mundane issue, you win. I'm just so saddened because the two camps can't get along.
You can be a socialist in the orwell sense and still mock "socialists" like the Chinese and Soviet governments. C.f. Animal Farm, 1984.
I don't even use the word socialist anymore, it's so diluted.
Some random opinion on GNOME vs KDE that I really ought to shut up about since noone's listening but hey, it's saturday morning:
Why don't you just make it a proper -link?
Huh. I see it more like the employees are victims of a con game, if they're even in a situation in their life where they can be considered having a reasonable choice other than being exploited by wal-mart. What the hell does "voluntarily" mean in a situation like that? Is it even meaningful? I love freedom, I really do - and the current situation for wal-mart employees is a problem IMVHO, and I don't see much "freedom" in their lives. Capitalism may well be great (I'm not a fan) but I wish that even its proponents would recognize the misery perpetrated in its name.
And I notice you don't comment on issue #2.
The parent didn't say KDE was crashy.
Stable has many meanings.