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Former Netscape Executive gives $4000 to AmiZilla
POds writes "Recently a Former Netscape Executive made a 2000 dollar donation to the Amizilla project, but for one reason or another, decided 2000 wasn't good enough and donated, yet another 2000 dollars. His only request is that he wants to see the amount get over $10,000 so is requesting others donate what they can. The Booty is now over $8400 and goes to the first developer(s) to port Mozilla to the Amiga platform."
8. Linux Coders we want you. Linux programmers are also welcome to try their hand @ porting Mozilla to Amiga. They are a talented group of coders and have given Microsoft a lot of grief. Nice Show!
Well, you just found your coderbase, AmiZilla. Anytime you offer money, bring up microsoft negatively, feed L-Users' egos, and reward them for doing what they're good at, you've got 80% of the L-Zealots behind you.
$8,400 can buy a lot of beer.
I have been pwned because my
That's $400 per potentional user!
I would love to see the Mozilla team to work towards the 1.0 version of Firebird first. Please set the priority straight.
What $10,000 could have done to advance some more meaningful Open Source project. What's next-- OpenOffice for C64?
I'll give $10,000 to all those who refuse to port anything to the Amiga, just to let those poor souls who still care move on with their lives.
Please guys, this holiday season take some time out of your schedule and knock an Amiga user unconscious, then nurse them back to health. That won't accomplish much in the long term, I agree, but it will shut them up for a couple days.
because every couple of years I read something like this:, 00.html
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,34922
the architecture of the original amiga was very innovative, more like a ps2 than a pc
I still get a kick from looking at some raytraces I did back in the old amiga days
I ran a benchmark on my quantum computer, now I can't find it anywhere!
Why stop at just the Amiga? How about the Atari ST platform? After all, STick, Cab, and Mosaic all ran on it... and, the ST had support built in for ISDN way back in 1985 in the OS...
"Right now, somewhere in this world, Scott Baio is plowing a woman he doesn't love," - Peter Griffin, *Family Guy*
Porting of MySQL to C64 begins, and an undisclosed donor has donated $5000 to the fist person to run Apache from a Tamagotchi
how long until
3. The AmiZilla Project must fully compile with running binaries on each of the following Amiga-like OS's: OS3.1, OS3.5+, MorphOS, UAE, Amithlon, DraCo. (Hint: don't hit the hardware, and stick to OS3.1: MUI, ClassAct 2, some internal gadget system, and bgui are acceptable).
I was the proud owner of a 500, 2000, and 4000(which I sold at a profit many years back). The Amiga was the hardware. It had a great API but the hardware(angus, denise, etc.) was what it was all about. If you aren't hitting the hardware, it's Amiga in name only.
I remember I had Quantum link boy was that slow for the Amiga. with a nice web browser its nice to see a old os still kicking on.
Some software money can't buy. For everything else there's Micros~1
money _is_ The Priority.
The Booty is now over $8400 and goes to the first developer(s) to port Mozilla to the Amiga platform.
I'm a BSD and Macintosh fan. And even I think the Amiga is dead.
It's not beleaguered. It's not "dying". It's dead. It's been ten years. For crissake, give up already. They were great back in the day, but so was Lionel Ritchie and skinny ties.
--saint
If you port it to the Commodore 64.
Seriously though, I love Amigas (had three of 'em up until a year ago) but the old machines are dying off partly because the batteries are cracking open and ruining the motherboards.
What's the point?
Is it just me or is $4000 not very much money
So much negative feedbacks! i wonder what you wankers would have thought a few years back when people said "linux? who needs that crap almost nobody use haha get a copy of windows" its so nice to piss down on somone else and forget where your OS of choice were just few years back! i bet AROS (www.aros.org) would be a waste of time since its not linux eh? or skyos? or any other OS thats not nix.
...in the eyes of OS zealots but at least he donates to AIDS charity and not "Internet Explorer on teh Commodore 64!!!!1111"
I just had a look at the site.. DAMN, they need a W3C compilant browser quick!!!
S ome kind of FireprOn phantasy? I don't get it...
And what is it with these japanese chicks? http://www.discreetfx.com/SpontCombustion.htm??
Lionel Ritchie and skinny ties were never great.
They now need the money to pay their traffic-bill. /.ers.
Good job,
If the donator want's to sponsor porting mozilla over to the original NES, then, that's his right. If someone wants to code it, then that is their right as well.
No one's stoping you from sponsoring the main firebird's development.
Based on upvotes, Ageism is the only "-ism" Slashdotters care about and think isn't SJW
10 seconds with blender and you can accomplish the same thing i dont really think that its web site worthy.
"I'm not dead yet"
"Mr. Clark, that investment was great, we now have a working prototype. Now if you'll agree to kick in another $400 million, I believe we'll really take the industry by storm..."
I think monetary incetive is not in the mood of the "real" L-zealot/free coder.
This move is Flamebatish (?)
This opens the gates to "unfair" battle
unfair couse the economic market is dominated by...
Also, if i want money, i better work for the devil
How is our post not real? We are a serious Gay and Nigger rights organization.
The KKK called any pro-black group a "racist" group just as you are calling the GNAA a racist group. Coincidence?
Its people like you who go around burning black chruches and gun down Gay people just because you see them as a threat to your White existence.
Grow up, you racist.
Were is your fucking web site then? i thought so
And if you were a real org then you realize that gnaa stands for The Global Network of Arab Activists so if you were real then you would have looked that up and changed you name.
I've never gotten the very rationale for all the work being done on Mozilla. I can understand a good standards-compliant and full-featured browser, but on one hand, Opera does a great job if you dont care about opensource like 99% of the users, and the rest simply use the IE that come with their OSes. Mozilla as many people have admitted is over-featured, but Firebird is not seeing much action in development either.
So I think Mozilla is a bit of a developer challenge to see how many ports it can run on... but quite honestly, even most opensource users dont really use mozilla. Konquerer, and even the older netscape communicator do a reasonable job for most webpages without needing a fat CPU. I tried hard to run Mozilla on my Sun Ultra 5 with 128mb RAM and Solaris 9, but had to settle on opera for performance reasons.
So can someone who has been using Mozilla for along time explain the reason for all this work on Mozilla? Is it for some practical or business purpose like Samba, Apache, X, gaim, or is it attracting developers for other reasons?
"Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you." -Nim Chimpsky
Also port:
E :)
OpenOfice.org
GNUCash
MySQL
XFree86/GNOME/KD
Remember, Slashdot does not have a -1 disagree moderation, and no, troll, flamebait, and overrated are not substitutes.
Expense has thwarted my aquiring it.
I appreciate this fellows offer and will remember it.
I'd go on a Vegan diet but the delivery time from Vega is too long. --brownkitty
"I'm not dead yet"
My trusty bat will take care of that.
He actually just hit refresh and ended up double posting.
END OF LINE.
Wouldn't it be very advantageous for a potential undertaker of this task, to wait a bit, since the pot of gold seems to be growing.. I mean, why port it today for $8000, when you can wait a year, and do it for $20000!
We don't need a website. We have an IRC channel
the GNAA existed long before the Arabs decided to use that acronym
however, since its not trademarked, we do not take issue with the Arab's use of the GNAA acronym
Ah, no they have long existed before your stupid fucking retarded ass-holes names gnaa I looked gnaa up and they have been going strong for 15 years. I looked up your acronym its only existed for half a year. so go fuck a a dead camel. your wrong and it is racist. fucker
Incorrect, idiot.
The GNAA has been around since the 70's. We have only taken on the internet for about a year.
Please explain to me again how black people helping black people is racist. You've never quite been able to explain that.
Now thats a thought.
Does linux have any such thing or capability there now?
obviously you arent gonna get a striaght answer out of him.. he probably is one of those KKK people that attack civil rights organizations and any other type of blacks helping blacks organization.
sad really, but its the price you pay for living in a free country
You complain about gnaa polluting slashdot but guess what, YOU'RE DOING IT TOO! hypocrital idiot
...if an Amiga developer wants to port Mozilla to that platform.
No one is keeping score, you know.
-- Slashdot: When Public Access TV Says "No"
Actually, you could chain developers to their desks, force them to code only what you say, pay them starvation wagess, and still be open source if you released the product appropriately.
The freedom most open source developers enjoy to program what they wish is the freedom that comes from coding for no pay.
-- Slashdot: When Public Access TV Says "No"
If this system of bounty-posting works, I'd like to invest in getting a recent version of Mozilla ported to Mac-OS. The final build we got for Mac-OS doesn't have spam-filtering, fails to render slashdot some of the time, and has a debilitating bug where the focus is lost if you change to another app with mozilla mimimised, stopping you using the keyboard.
Mac-OS has a massive userbase of low coputer-literacy 'creative' people who bought a mac for usability and are highly resistant to retraining to OSX, but since OSX is a much nicer development environment, all the programmers were very quick to jump ship. It would certainly make my life easier if I could migrate all the designers I look after to Mozilla.
So, is there a bounty for a Mac-OS port out there, or how do I start one and get it noticed by potention developers/contributors?
A pizza of radius z and thickness a has a volume of pi z z a
My donations going to the pocket pc project... not found a good browsers for it yet! Click here to support the project
I really get sick of all these people saying "The Amiga is Dead" simply because there's no marketing machine or company behind the name. (Even if there is, and they are a poor company).
Since when did a marketing machine and financial support determine an OS's (or platform's) viability? Is Windows 98 dead now that Microsoft no longer supports or markets it? I don't think so, since so many programs you buy still work on it and countless computers still run it.
I think it's a bit silly for people hanging out in an open-source, FREE SOFTWARE themed forum, to say that a platform is dead because it's not CORPORATE.
Nevermind that there are still tens of thousands of dedicated users who operate Amigas side-by-side with other more advanced computers; who use the Amiga for what it can do because they like the way it does those things, but use the more advanced hardware for what the Amiga lacks. That independent software developers have been inventing their own solutions to internet connectivity and audio playback/editing and UNIX cross-platform compatibility for YEARS now, ABSOLUTELY FREE, and oftentimes WITHOUT the help from all the befuddling Linux/sf.net open source existing code. These people are doing it from scratch using the AmigaOS's API because it's GOOD, and EFFICIENT, and actually rather fun to program.
Isn't that incredibly respectable in the mindset of this forum? No?
So I guess I should stop now. I could go on forever. I find it incredibly painful that otherwise open-minded, inspired folks find it perfectly fine to diss a platform and make value judgments about it when THEY'VE NEVER EVEN USED IT.
I believe that Robin Williams said that "Cocaine is God's way of telling you you have too much money."
Move over cocaine: you've been eclipsed!
I never would have thought that there were this many people who still cared about the Amiga!
I'm curious though...what does it offer you that other desktop systems do not?
Laugh while you can, monkey-boy!
to build new software for new computers and new
technology and try and sell it.
What an idiot! We'll show him!
Muuahahahahaah!
will make a comeback too and teach all those
reality TV shows a lesson!
Muuuahahahhaha!
Rumor has it a certain Mr. Flinstone will pay $1 million dollars to the first person to port mozilla to "that wooden calculator with the bird inside."
The requirements are ludicrous. Firebird isn't so great even on my Pentium 3 450MHz. Even with a high-end Athlon or Pentium 4, WinUAE with JIT is not going to give you anything useful. A 300MHz PowerPC might even not be enough. Plus without virtual memory, you're hosed. The bounty would be much more feasible if they standardized on a single platform, like OS 4. Getting it to run on all the platforms listed would be a serious engineering effort, and I don't think $10K would even come close to the real costs.
There seem to be a lot of responses along the lines of "(sigh) Why oh why are resources being wasted on this? Can't they work on the mainstream platform instead? Imagine what that money could do..." This completely misses the point. The donor behind this obviously sees some need or desire to see Moz on the Amiga, and is willing to put his money where his mouth is. If you don't agree, fine. If you want to see mainline Mozilla development continue, then donate to the Mozilla Foundation. Otherwise don't complain about a perceived injustice to something provided to you for free.
It's like complaining about how muscular dystrophy is such a worthless cause and all those losers who donated to MD research could have made a bigger impact if they'd contributed to AIDS research instead.
Considering how many *useful* open source projects could use some funding, this is a really silly waste..
Now, if somebody would collect money to sponsor the completion of full SVG support in Mozilla, THAT is something I'd be more than willing to donate to. And it would help more than a tiny handful of people.
but it's nothing to pine over.
Like the PS2, the multi-chip architecture was neccessary in order for the machine to be close to usable for the things people wanted to do with it.
Some of that ideology still lives today, what with the everything-but-the-kitchen sink northbridges used by modern PCs and machintoshes. They shrunk it down to one chip, but the purpose is the same: take care of all the I/O in one place, and interrupt the CPU when it can use busmaster DMA to ferry it somewhere else.
If they were to produce an Amiga today, in order for the design to break price-points, they'd basically need to use of the existing chip vendor's recommended system boards. (i.e. IBM or Motorola). What they come up with will basically be a Macintosh.
Maybe that's why no one is releasing an updated Amiga. Everytime they get some engineers to come up with a system architecture, Steve Jobs reveals something almost exactly the same at MacWorld.
Fuck Beta. Fuck Dice
Where's my TRS-80 port, you insensitive clods?
#DeleteChrome
at this point, the only architectures that are cheap enough to mass produce that perform well are: CPU+MMU, RAM channel, interconnect to northbridge or crossbar, single/multiple PCI (infiniband?) busses, AGP, with some built-in chips on the non-extendable PCI bus that graduates the offering levels (+SCSI, +dual GB LAN, +S-ATA, etc.)
That's it. Doing anything else is expensive and dooms you right out the gate.
The only people that can afford to do that on a large scale is Sun. But they choose more complex architectures solely to provide scalability with multiple CPUs. But even they stick to standard extension technologies (Fiber Channel, PCI, etc.)
So the "idea" of the Amiga as a personal workstation is not relevant today.
The only other option would be to initially treat it as a game console, but then Sony and Nintendo would slaughter them.
Reality is harsh mistress.
Fuck Beta. Fuck Dice
I'd take a shot at writing a 100,000 lines of code; if only I knew where I stored my ROM Kernal Manuals.
Yes, Virginia, I own the last fully-operable AK4000T PPC/68K, 128M/2GB Amiga in all of Richmond.
...I'll say it again.
I used to code quite a bit on the Amiga. I would love to get back into the show and donate my time and my help (if I could be any help at all) to a worthwhile opened source Amiga project.
I'll get started the moment they ACTUALLY deliver that new and exciting entry into personal computers that they've been promising for years.
Oh, and sneak peaks at "Maybe Almost Sort of Available Hardware that only runs Linux at the moment" doesn't count.
"Everything you know is wrong. (And stupid.)"
Moderation Totals: Wrong=2, Stupid=3, Total=5.
Agreed. I picked up the Amiga: User Interface Style Guide (1) and I know were I can get the Hardware Reference Manual for about $7.00
(1) I'm the GUI guy at work.
I am trying to imagine Mozilla on my Amiga3000-030/25... NOT.
I've got two browsers running on my Amiga, some graphical semicomercial (Aweb? Ibrowse? Dont really care...) one which licence I got by outbuying some old boxes and lynx.
And only lynx runs at usable speeds. Can you imagine that the graphical amount of slashdot.org overwhelms my not-so-bad-miggy by a long shot? It easily takes five minutes to display a normal list of comments.
Mozilla should easily tenfold the overhead. I wont even think about using it on MY amiga.
The mainproblems will be porting of modern compilers, the libs and a better memorymanagment - or how to you expect mozilla running on a 16MB-System with no swapspace? So its basically about updating the whole operatingsystem, not only porting some software.
I guess the best way would be using m68k-linux...
"Life is short and in most cases it ends with death." Sir Sinclair
"If anyone does this though, I suspect it'll be a hard-core Amiga zealot whose primary motivation is not the money."
Hmmm...Open Source is being done for money then? Interesting, I have to make a call to Washington State then.
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Allright fellow amigans!!! Moderate Matt2000 into OBLIVION!!!!! MUAhahahahahahahahahahaah cough
I thought that project was "mothballed indefinitely", because the developer was screwed by the AmigaOS XL guys?
You seem to be confusing the Teron motherboards sold at a 60% higher price under a licensed trademark with "new Amigas". I know, don't be embarrassed, it's an easy mistake, especially if one would take anything said by Eyetech at face value.
As it happens, there will be no more Amigas. AmigaOS 4.0 and beyond will run on off the shelf, non-Amiga-specific 3rd party hardware like those Terons.
For a platform that's been "dead" for ten years, the available hardware is stranglely up to date...
Because, then, someone less greedy, will be finished with his port, and have allready claimed the price.
FYI:
My Amigas still run and one of them still has my old BBS *online* with three telnet nodes on an ethernet card. 68060 CPU, 66mhz, 64mb RAM and 3D 64bit graphics card..
The response time is faster then my 1.5gb RAM, XP1600+ running Windows 2000.
That Amiga is at least 10 years old..
Dead? Not by a long shot!
Seriously, if you do not know what you're talking about - shut up. I will not bash your alternative machines just because I use other platforms..
"You seem to be confusing the Teron motherboards sold at a 60% higher price under a licensed trademark with "new Amigas". I know, don't be embarrassed, it's an easy mistake, especially if one would take anything said by Eyetech at face value.
As it happens, there will be no more Amigas. AmigaOS 4.0 and beyond will run on off the shelf, non-Amiga-specific 3rd party hardware like those Terons.
I don't agree. My PC has not a single IBM-produced part in it, have very little in common with the Original IBM PC, and don't run a typical "PC OS". I still consider it a PC.
Even though the AmigaONE hardware is not "Amiga-Specific", and not produced by Amiga itself, it's still produced with AmigaOS in mind, and would therefore classify as Amiga-hardware the same way as the box at my feet, with non-IBM hardware, running a non-MS OS, would classify as a PC.
There are very few websites I regularly visit which I can't access with my Amiga browsers AWeb, IBrowse or Voyager. The main browser I use is IBrowse 1.22, which probably had its last revision in '98. (It since has been updated to 2.xx, but I haven't upgraded because 1.22 works great for me).
This is mainly due to my web browsing patterns, though. I tend not to go to the mega-sites that require CSS and Flash (and even JS). Instead, I tend to go to more technically oriented websites and message boards and the like, which work just fine due to their simple design.
Slashdot works great in all the browsers too.
A lot of Amiga fans are under the misguided impression that a Mozilla or Firebird port will bring a Java Virtual Machine and Flash to the computer. It won't, of course. Work was started and aborted on two different JVMs over the years, and a half-baked port of Kaffe exists. As far as Flash, of course nothing but basic spline rasterization could be possible without bogging down the 75mhz '060 in the fastest 68k-based Amiga. On PPC-equipped machines, more is possible, but even a 233mhz 603 will get choppy on sites like homestar runner.
I look at the BeOS port of Mozilla as a sign that an Amiga port is possible, but they had serious kernel issues they had to get around (and did so with the help of sidelined Be engineers -- the closest thing we have to help like that on the Amiga side are people like Olaf Barthel and other AmigaOS geniuses). I imagine that if a more modern OS like BeOS had limitations, so will AmigaOS; Be had a problem with maximum library size allowed in memory, and some sort of segmentation scheme had to be introduced to allow Mozilla's huge library collection to be available in RAM.
My Amiga is fast, but it's only got 32 megs of RAM, and this is fine for day-to-day use with native Amiga software. With most things loaded, I'm left with about 18 megs free. This is hardly enough to get NSPR and some GUI toolkit running, let alone an entire Mozilla experience.
Sorry, I'm getting off your topic. But yeah, for the old Amiga to get re-introduced and marketed toward mainstream, the lack of a wonderful browser would be a killer. But for everyday use by Amiga fans such as myself, the browsers all work fine, and they're fast. We know our limitations.
Honestly, Voyager (under AmigaOS and MorphOS) isn't a bad browser, and has decent support for CSS, though it's unstable. IBrowse (1.22) is stable and fast, but doesn't support CSS or JavaScript *at all*. AWeb supports JavaScript and is now open-source, and even lets me get on HotMail (which Safari on OS X.2 can't do anymore, and neither can Mozilla/Camino). So I think we've got a grand browser problem in general, and I'm used to not getting the whole web when I'm on anything except the sh*tty Explorer. (Interestingly, AWeb used to be AMosaic, based on the Mosaic source code, just as we all know earlier versions of IE was).
Well comeon comparing Amiga to C64 isn;t fair, one runs at 1.18MHz while the other has up to a 280MHz PPC cpu; AmigaOnes have 800MHz PPC cpus, they are the planned (well hardware's been released with Debian) new Amiga, to run AmigaOS4 with. Amigas just get blown away by AMD 64s and even Pentium 3s for real number crunching, but they're in nowhere near as deplorable a state as Ataris and C64s. ... Sides comparing 020/030 speeds with 060s even is unfair (060 is several times faster at same clockspeed)
I could seem to confirm that Mozilla doesn't run on Amiga NetBSD?
A blog I run for the wealth
> And if you were a real org then you realize that gnaa stands for The Global Network of Arab Activists so if you were real then you would have looked that up and changed you name.
Sand niggers are still niggers too, you know. They can be gay too, just not in the presence of Allah (unless they have balls of steel like Hussein).
LOL! That rules!
"Resellers will also soon have..."
"We will be selling Pegasos II boards..."
"Pre-order"
It don't look real available to me. It looks like "maybe almost sort of available hardware that only runs Linux at the moment".
Gee Matt2000; did an Amiga user steal your girlfriend and turn your heart to vinegar?
or . . . are you a strange being without any blood coursing through your veins?
(posted from an AmigaOneXE-G4)
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(David Bowman, EVA near HUGE Monolithic Win-PC in orbit around Jupiter) "My God - its full of Malware!"
I guess people are so in love with a light-weight, message passing microkernel that they keep using it even though it's basically a proprietary platform. Takes all kinds...
The world starts and ends with linux. Nothing else matters, because everything else sucks.
Think how many abandoned-at-version-0.1 sourceforge projects could be started with that money! I *so need* a wider choice of mail clients written in python. Or perhaps another window manager? You can never have too many of them. Write it in perl with 250 module dependencies!
Or maybe the money should go towards copying something Microsoft have already written. Okay, so everything they do sucks, but we need it all on Linux anyway. Not that we'd use it anyway, because we're all so l33t that we only use zsh, perl and screen.
w00t!
...out of his anus like most.
That post by Amix is much more informative than the one about Xircom par port Ethernet. There are no Amiga drivers for the Xircom par port ethernet boxes, I wish there were! Windows is the death of a thousand cuts and requires trememdous hardware specs. Amiga really multitasks and does it in barely anything, especially by todays standards. I would like to see Mozilla ported to the Amiga OS for quite a few reasons. That's my opinion in a nutshell.
I'll just go get one at ComputerWorld and then head on to Egghead for the Lotus 1-2-3, dBase III, and MultiMate software.