They don't even say "if you are interested in free open source software" they say "open source programming." Do you think you'd even find one person interested in actually programming open source?
I don't know, isn't open source kind of a big selling point of open source software? If that's not of interest to the average person, then what's left, the free as in no cost part? Why don't we just coin a new term with the meaning "free as in no cost" and start migrating from "old" free/OSS to "new" free if that's the reality of it. Do you really want OSS to _just_ be free?
The issue with the right to bear arms is that it is meaningless until and unless one can get enough people armed well enough to exercise...
You could say the same about free speech, what's your point? It's an individual right, how is that meaningless?
This can only happen with demilitarized police *and* some sort of mechanism in place to stop them from calling for reinforcements from the National Guard. Not sure quite how we get there from here.
The times when a bunch of armed commoners can square off against military forces are over, at least unless ownership of IED-type devices and RPG's becomes common.
Oh, I didn't realize civil war never happen(ed | s). Or that armed militias with little training and improvisational warfare never present a threat to well trained, conventional forces. No evidence of THAT anywhere.
Support a community well and it will pay you back. Alienate a community and you are suddenly competing against better entrenched products.
Do you mind explaining how competing open source communities exist?
but without experience, most tech people are going to recommend BSD or Linux because it is what they have worked with.
I think both you and I know the real problem is inexperienced people making recommendations. Is supporting or competing with ignorance demonstratively better than the other? I'm still confused which side desktop friendly Solaris fits on. Don't get me wrong - user friendliness goes a LONG way, but "make it like Linux" is not impressing me. With as much resources as Sun/Oracle has, I'm hoping they'll set the bar much higher.
We said they censored, and other people cam saying "That's not censorship because it is their own website" and providing ridiculous examples like "If someone draws on your car and you remove it, is it censorship too?".
Well, it is their website. If they don't let people post AT ALL on their website, are they repressing freedom of speech? What pisses me off are the posts here debating wether what they are doing is censorship or not, then at the same time, "censorship is teh evilz!" Look at the moderation going on here. It's not possible to argue that what they are doing is OK, because a drone you like comes pointing out that it IS censorship, and drone 2 comes along with... ugh.
BTW everyone, the/. moderation system is not different because you can technically read -5 posts. It's still censorship, just like blacking out text with a magic marker is. Chew on that.
There are some real jerks on the highway, in line at the grocery store, and at your workplace. These are the same people who post GNAA trolls and goatse links.
The difference is outside of MMO's these people don't work well in teams. MMO's _encourage_ this elitist bullshit.
Copy and paste - not just text - is doable. Ditto for 3d hardware performance (I assume you were referring to hardware acceleration). For commercial MS Office support, you may want to check out Softmaker - it's an excellent office suite. I'm not a gamer, but I know that there are commercial games available for Linux as well. The GUI, well, I suppose that's what you make of it - at least you can tweak it to your heart's content.
Let me guess, you found at least two applications that can copy and paste something non-text, you have an nvdia video card, you "don't need Office", and you found at least one commercial game for Linux, so everything he said is false.
Guy, if the bar was REALLY as low as you make it out to be, Linux would be on everyone's desktop by virtue of being free, and "good enough". Clearly, "good enough" is further out of reach than you would have us believe.
No need to sound bitter when describing something you don't use.
More current Windows and Mac users have Linux experience than you think. Your whole "you don't get it" attitude is so 2000. Any self respecting IT nerd has at least toyed with Linux at this point, and sorry if you feelings get hurt if we think Windows or Macs are worth the price. Linux has been in the mainstream long enough for plenty of people to have extensively been there, done that, and you're not fooling us.
P.S. If case you still aren't convinced the whole world doesn't love Linux. There are still a lot of resentful UNIX server admins out there that appreciate the free tools and would happily shove all Linux outside the cross-platform GNU userland up your ass for you.
P.P.S. If you mod me flamebait, you "just don't get it," and you're probably a Linux shill or something.
The lower IQ threshold for new US graduates reflects the fact that the pool of US talent available to the company is smaller than the pool of Chinese talent, Bleum said.
When my newest credit card arrived it came with a form to sign to have the balance paid automatically from my bank account. It works fine. If they hate this, why do they make it so easy?
Same reason mail-in rebates exist.
Also, don't fool yourself. VISA/MC _really_ just want you to use the damned things, and while the issuing banks sure do want you to pay interest, they win either way, hence 'points' and free air miles and shit. Automatically paying your balance every month makes it easier to put trivial spending on your credit card which makes everyone but the merchants richer. Didn't you ever wonder why YOU were getting kickbacks for simply using their cards?
Dear China: Please host this to show the decadent capitalist pigs who are enslaved by the banks how their system is screwing them over.
Uh yah, please do. China doesn't have banks, laws, or lack of freedom of speech after all. Go for it dude.
Hey! The Internet is immutable, someone tell them!
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When attribution is a lost cause (and it is), international treaties are meaningless
So the summary's argument is based on the Internet as it is, and the nations forming these international treaties being powerless to change it.
If you honestly believe that, you deserve what you're going to get. Look at the histories of these nations and say with a straight face they cannot change the Internet. Don't say they wont; the very fact that other nations are involved gives them every reason to.
I doubt there is anything you could say that could change the posters idea that your education is nothing but a socialist/communist conspiracy aimed at derailing the free market and attacking the constitution. You have probably already been reported to 1800-TIPS for your wrong thoughts.
Well thank YOU for bringing conspiracy theories into this. Do you have anything to contribute on the topic of efficiency of the US higher education system? No, you're a coward.
Again about that AC activity that always supports the vendor in question, in any discussion. Man up and log in. It isn't really all that hard.
Do you know who the fuck I am?
I know, you want people who support whatever/. is throwing poo at to log in so you can read their post history, see that they have a history of supporting said vendor (which clearly means they are a shill), then you can disregard them ANYWAY.
I am clearly an IBM/Google/HP/Left/Sony/Nintendo/Right/Apple/MS/EMC/Sun/Dell/anti-slashdot shill, so disregard me, and fuck you. Throw away mod points on me, it feels great. Makes you feel like you're in control, huh morons? Hey, I can be at -infinity, and YOU STILL READ THIS. Suck it.
Yes it's the first job that gets you the second. But my experience at least is that without what I learned on the degree I wouldn't have done well enough in the first job for it to get me the second. A degree isn't just a piece of paper.
The question is did that degree help you get your second job more than the four years of on the job experience helped the other guy get his? Who will be getting the "6/8+ years of experience required... Senior/Lead blahblah" jobs first?
Maybe the four years I spent in military service instead of college gives me bias but I do believe even four years of on the job experience in the private sector is worth quite a lot. At least I don't see how four years of school can teach someone how to learn any better than four solid years of any skilled labor.
Saying that free education is not free since it's paid in taxes, is like saying you need to pay money to use roads in the USA. You can't have it both ways.
Gasoline & diesel are taxed nimrod. There isn't a use tax on higher education. Maybe if there was, the market would sort out the efficiency problems with it.
Sure it was paid by taxes. But once I had that degree it was never incumbent on me to have to earn money to pay it back
You keep digging a deeper hole.
Good for you, you got a taxpayer funded education and (apparently) it was a good investment for us. Want a cookie with that too? The taxpayer funded educations that turn out to be BAD investments are arguably a worse situation than what the GP said - people with only personal debt. I don't know, maybe you LIKE the idea of free government handouts with no strings attached?
I understand you, honestly, but I don't think the intermediate layers count much towards what "level" the language rests at, and arguably the final destination does. C is pretty dang close to describing what the hardware is doing. To the point where you could fairly easily, one line at a time, transcode it into assembly, which itself is veeeery dang close to the machine code instructions it represents. Not only that, but you can kind of go from assembly to C in a pretty straightforward way too. You can't really say the same for more complex object oriented or dynamic languages. Those have quite a few layers of abstraction from what the machine really does.
You're all wrong, encryption is NOTHING without trust! There is no point in encrypting your communication with [UNKNOWN], because they could be anyone, and even relay your message to [UNKNOWNS]. You're not encrypting your session from A to B in this case, you're encrypting your session from A to (B) CLOUD.
most people don't care about the potential for SSL to establish a higher degree of "trust"
Uh, the more trust the better. It is not black and white. The average consumer is always going to have to trust their PC/OS manufacturer/reseller doesn't dick with the root keys, because they will not ever physically exchange keys, or care to regularly change them. The assumption is that the keys provided on the machine are good, and future delivered keys will be good, without EVER even looking at the fingerprints.
A mismatched URL isn't the end of the road, it's just an indicator that the SSL cert may have been stolen. Since you just have to assume that the certificate was issued to "Company Name" when the CA says so (that is their real job), you could do what they do and verify that "Company Name" in the certificate owns the DNS registration of the URL in question. That's as much as a CA is going to do anyway, but they want to sell that service to the site's maintainers very badly, so don't expect to have to do that very often. Just gloss right over the levels of trust and sell you a pretty green bar.
No, some of us do real work we need to be able to interface with serial stuff. You should make like the rest of the kids and get a mac.
You make it sound like PCs actually use serial ports instead of playing catcher to sun & cisco equipment a majority of the time.
Any sane person stuck at the receiving end of a serial port should wish they were using a Mac and a good out of band management card; a comfortable distance apart.
They still make SCSI tape drives, right? And new servers only have PCIe, so there will be PCIe SCSI cards at least as long as SCSI tape drives are made.Alternatively maybe there exists some SCSI-SAS adapter like the IDE-SATA adapters. Does SAS have an external version?
I think he meant SCSI proper, you're probably getting SCSI mixed up with Fibre Channel.. And yes.
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They don't even say "if you are interested in free open source software" they say "open source programming." Do you think you'd even find one person interested in actually programming open source?
I don't know, isn't open source kind of a big selling point of open source software? If that's not of interest to the average person, then what's left, the free as in no cost part? Why don't we just coin a new term with the meaning "free as in no cost" and start migrating from "old" free/OSS to "new" free if that's the reality of it. Do you really want OSS to _just_ be free?
The issue with the right to bear arms is that it is meaningless until and unless one can get enough people armed well enough to exercise...
You could say the same about free speech, what's your point? It's an individual right, how is that meaningless?
This can only happen with demilitarized police *and* some sort of mechanism in place to stop them from calling for reinforcements from the National Guard. Not sure quite how we get there from here.
The times when a bunch of armed commoners can square off against military forces are over, at least unless ownership of IED-type devices and RPG's becomes common.
Oh, I didn't realize civil war never happen(ed | s). Or that armed militias with little training and improvisational warfare never present a threat to well trained, conventional forces. No evidence of THAT anywhere.
Support a community well and it will pay you back. Alienate a community and you are suddenly competing against better entrenched products.
Do you mind explaining how competing open source communities exist?
but without experience, most tech people are going to recommend BSD or Linux because it is what they have worked with.
I think both you and I know the real problem is inexperienced people making recommendations. Is supporting or competing with ignorance demonstratively better than the other? I'm still confused which side desktop friendly Solaris fits on. Don't get me wrong - user friendliness goes a LONG way, but "make it like Linux" is not impressing me. With as much resources as Sun/Oracle has, I'm hoping they'll set the bar much higher.
We said they censored, and other people cam saying "That's not censorship because it is their own website" and providing ridiculous examples like "If someone draws on your car and you remove it, is it censorship too?".
Well, it is their website. If they don't let people post AT ALL on their website, are they repressing freedom of speech? What pisses me off are the posts here debating wether what they are doing is censorship or not, then at the same time, "censorship is teh evilz!" Look at the moderation going on here. It's not possible to argue that what they are doing is OK, because a drone you like comes pointing out that it IS censorship, and drone 2 comes along with... ugh.
BTW everyone, the /. moderation system is not different because you can technically read -5 posts. It's still censorship, just like blacking out text with a magic marker is. Chew on that.
This speaks volumes for Linux.
I can still safely say, you don't get it.
There are some real jerks on the highway, in line at the grocery store, and at your workplace. These are the same people who post GNAA trolls and goatse links.
The difference is outside of MMO's these people don't work well in teams. MMO's _encourage_ this elitist bullshit.
Copy and paste - not just text - is doable. Ditto for 3d hardware performance (I assume you were referring to hardware acceleration). For commercial MS Office support, you may want to check out Softmaker - it's an excellent office suite. I'm not a gamer, but I know that there are commercial games available for Linux as well. The GUI, well, I suppose that's what you make of it - at least you can tweak it to your heart's content.
Let me guess, you found at least two applications that can copy and paste something non-text, you have an nvdia video card, you "don't need Office", and you found at least one commercial game for Linux, so everything he said is false.
Guy, if the bar was REALLY as low as you make it out to be, Linux would be on everyone's desktop by virtue of being free, and "good enough". Clearly, "good enough" is further out of reach than you would have us believe.
No need to sound bitter when describing something you don't use.
More current Windows and Mac users have Linux experience than you think. Your whole "you don't get it" attitude is so 2000. Any self respecting IT nerd has at least toyed with Linux at this point, and sorry if you feelings get hurt if we think Windows or Macs are worth the price. Linux has been in the mainstream long enough for plenty of people to have extensively been there, done that, and you're not fooling us.
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If case you still aren't convinced the whole world doesn't love Linux. There are still a lot of resentful UNIX server admins out there that appreciate the free tools and would happily shove all Linux outside the cross-platform GNU userland up your ass for you.
P.P.S.
If you mod me flamebait, you "just don't get it," and you're probably a Linux shill or something.
The lower IQ threshold for new US graduates reflects the fact that the pool of US talent available to the company is smaller than the pool of Chinese talent, Bleum said.
... in Shanghai. Is this surprising?
When my newest credit card arrived it came with a form to sign to have the balance paid automatically from my bank account. It works fine. If they hate this, why do they make it so easy?
Same reason mail-in rebates exist.
Also, don't fool yourself. VISA/MC _really_ just want you to use the damned things, and while the issuing banks sure do want you to pay interest, they win either way, hence 'points' and free air miles and shit. Automatically paying your balance every month makes it easier to put trivial spending on your credit card which makes everyone but the merchants richer. Didn't you ever wonder why YOU were getting kickbacks for simply using their cards?
Have the Chinese host it.
Dear China: Please host this to show the decadent capitalist pigs who are enslaved by the banks how their system is screwing them over.
Uh yah, please do. China doesn't have banks, laws, or lack of freedom of speech after all. Go for it dude.
When attribution is a lost cause (and it is), international treaties are meaningless
So the summary's argument is based on the Internet as it is, and the nations forming these international treaties being powerless to change it.
If you honestly believe that, you deserve what you're going to get. Look at the histories of these nations and say with a straight face they cannot change the Internet. Don't say they wont; the very fact that other nations are involved gives them every reason to.
Voila! An actual, meaningful assessment of what the phone bars mean in real numbers from a calibrated instrument.
But but.. what would /. be without mindless speculation? Take your schmience elsewhere!
What the difference between a Mac fanboy and a bicycle?
Slap a chain on a bicycle and it doesn't blog endlessly about how being chained up is an improvement.
Know how I know you're gay? You read Mac fanboy blogs.
I doubt there is anything you could say that could change the posters idea that your education is nothing but a socialist/communist conspiracy aimed at derailing the free market and attacking the constitution. You have probably already been reported to 1800-TIPS for your wrong thoughts.
Well thank YOU for bringing conspiracy theories into this. Do you have anything to contribute on the topic of efficiency of the US higher education system? No, you're a coward.
Again about that AC activity that always supports the vendor in question, in any discussion.
Man up and log in. It isn't really all that hard.
Do you know who the fuck I am?
I know, you want people who support whatever /. is throwing poo at to log in so you can read their post history, see that they have a history of supporting said vendor (which clearly means they are a shill), then you can disregard them ANYWAY.
I am clearly an IBM/Google/HP/Left/Sony/Nintendo/Right/Apple/MS/EMC/Sun/Dell/anti-slashdot shill, so disregard me, and fuck you. Throw away mod points on me, it feels great. Makes you feel like you're in control, huh morons? Hey, I can be at -infinity, and YOU STILL READ THIS. Suck it.
Yes it's the first job that gets you the second. But my experience at least is that without what I learned on the degree I wouldn't have done well enough in the first job for it to get me the second. A degree isn't just a piece of paper.
The question is did that degree help you get your second job more than the four years of on the job experience helped the other guy get his? Who will be getting the "6/8+ years of experience required ... Senior/Lead blahblah" jobs first?
Maybe the four years I spent in military service instead of college gives me bias but I do believe even four years of on the job experience in the private sector is worth quite a lot. At least I don't see how four years of school can teach someone how to learn any better than four solid years of any skilled labor.
Saying that free education is not free since it's paid in taxes, is like saying you need to pay money to use roads in the USA. You can't have it both ways.
Gasoline & diesel are taxed nimrod. There isn't a use tax on higher education. Maybe if there was, the market would sort out the efficiency problems with it.
Sure it was paid by taxes. But once I had that degree it was never incumbent on me to have to earn money to pay it back
You keep digging a deeper hole.
Good for you, you got a taxpayer funded education and (apparently) it was a good investment for us. Want a cookie with that too?
The taxpayer funded educations that turn out to be BAD investments are arguably a worse situation than what the GP said - people with only personal debt. I don't know, maybe you LIKE the idea of free government handouts with no strings attached?
I understand you, honestly, but I don't think the intermediate layers count much towards what "level" the language rests at, and arguably the final destination does.
C is pretty dang close to describing what the hardware is doing. To the point where you could fairly easily, one line at a time, transcode it into assembly, which itself is veeeery dang close to the machine code instructions it represents. Not only that, but you can kind of go from assembly to C in a pretty straightforward way too. You can't really say the same for more complex object oriented or dynamic languages. Those have quite a few layers of abstraction from what the machine really does.
You're all wrong, encryption is NOTHING without trust! There is no point in encrypting your communication with [UNKNOWN], because they could be anyone, and even relay your message to [UNKNOWNS].
You're not encrypting your session from A to B in this case, you're encrypting your session from A to (B) CLOUD.
most people don't care about the potential for SSL to establish a higher degree of "trust"
Uh, the more trust the better. It is not black and white. The average consumer is always going to have to trust their PC/OS manufacturer/reseller doesn't dick with the root keys, because they will not ever physically exchange keys, or care to regularly change them. The assumption is that the keys provided on the machine are good, and future delivered keys will be good, without EVER even looking at the fingerprints.
A mismatched URL isn't the end of the road, it's just an indicator that the SSL cert may have been stolen. Since you just have to assume that the certificate was issued to "Company Name" when the CA says so (that is their real job), you could do what they do and verify that "Company Name" in the certificate owns the DNS registration of the URL in question. That's as much as a CA is going to do anyway, but they want to sell that service to the site's maintainers very badly, so don't expect to have to do that very often. Just gloss right over the levels of trust and sell you a pretty green bar.
iPhone apps are compiled using LLVM, which provides its own virtual machine, not unlike the JVM and CLR. Does that make C a high level language?
That is just so wrong, it hurts to read it.
No, some of us do real work we need to be able to interface with serial stuff. You should make like the rest of the kids and get a mac.
You make it sound like PCs actually use serial ports instead of playing catcher to sun & cisco equipment a majority of the time.
Any sane person stuck at the receiving end of a serial port should wish they were using a Mac and a good out of band management card; a comfortable distance apart.
They still make SCSI tape drives, right? And new servers only have PCIe, so there will be PCIe SCSI cards at least as long as SCSI tape drives are made.Alternatively maybe there exists some SCSI-SAS adapter like the IDE-SATA adapters. Does SAS have an external version?
I think he meant SCSI proper, you're probably getting SCSI mixed up with Fibre Channel.. And yes.
We live in an age where the old PC mantra of "one user, one machine" isn't true anymore.
How is that OLD? Are there even a significant number of people on /. yet who didn't grow up at best - sharing a PC with other family members?