The fact the nobel prize was awarded completely destroys parent poster's claim that such things are being supressed "by the etablishment/man/corporation/aliens/etc.".
sure, firefox is big. but it doesn't approach the slowness and bloatedness of azureus. firefox may be bloated enough, but it isn't slow enough to be using a java ui;)
so many people use azureus because its featureful and has shiny buttons. they tolerate its bloatedness and slowness, sort of like people tolerate eclipse because it's a nice ide even if it's slow as molasses. or like they tolerate microsoft windows despite the viruses and malware and crashes.
however the shiny azureus gui isn't enough to make me want to use it over the perfectly functional, much more responsive, and much less resource hungry python client. i can also detach the python client into a screen session and log off;)
so java has two resource-hungry and dog slow gui applications to tout as its shining example of how it's dominating the entire software development world. color me unimpressed?
on the topic of interesting data points, australia has more lawyers per capita than any other country in the world, including america. dont know if they have the highest per capita lawsuits though.
agreed, mantis and phpmyadmin are wonderful. i use them both heavily. mantis is miles better than bugzilla -- bugzilla is relatively top-heavy and the interface is very cumbersome.
php is perfectly adequate for 99% of peoples needs. that 1% who dont have their needs fulfulled by php will use java. the postgresql people who whine about mysql market share are the same: they resolutely insist everyone needs that last 1%, even if they don't. in reality mysql is perfectly adequate for 99%.
No. It can run within a few 100k on mobile devices.
Which means nothing for web servers. Unless you recommend running J2ME on a web server?
still, a few 100k is a _lot_, many embedded devices have only a few kb.
Non-GUI java apps can run in just a few MB.
Of course, java was supposed to have completely taken over years ago (if you believed the sun hype).
java's niche keeps shrinking. first it was 'take over the world' then 'take over the desktop' then 'take over light clients' then 'take over appliances' then 'take over mobile devices'. well, it hasnt really taken over anything yet, despite over a decade of hype. it keeps getting forced into ever smaller niches. the fragmentation of java into mobile/enterprise/etc shows theyre just now coming to grips with the fundamental problems of java that they've been denying for so long.
azureus is a slow, bloated pile of doggie poo. i mean really, why should a bittorrent client take _500mb_ of ram just to idle empty? it also takes ages to start up on my opteron 1400 with 1.5gb ddr2700 dual channel, whereas all other clients start up in a fraction of a second. azureus menus are eye-wateringly slow as is the rest of the interface.
eclipse isn't any better.
not exactly glowing examples of java, unless you're saying mind-blowingly slow applications are a selling point.
hardly. it's quite mainstream now. what gets run on cartoon network might be edited, but what's on the shelves at rental stores or wal-mart is largely unedited (or at least, you can enable japanese language / sutitles on the dvds). also remember disney and miyazaki -- unedited and pristine by contract.
it wasnt so long ago that a single anime series - tenchi muyo - accounted for a large bulk of pioneer entertainment's revenue. and that revenue wasn't small, either.
heavily edited? sometimes. niche? no. maybe in 1985 but not in 2005.
unadulterated british sitcoms are nicely popular on american tv, eg PBS. they don't get run on the commercial networks but there are still plenty of fans who watch it in its untouched original format (excluding the PAL->NTSC conversion of course:) doctor who while not being a sitcom, has a decent enough audience in the US. there are many unadulterated british programs which run just fine on american tv.
there are exceptions of course, all in the family was a remake of the british series "Till Death Do Us Part". the american series sanford and son was a remake of the british "steptoe and son". these remakes were worse than the british originals? other than "its not british so it sucks", what objective reasoning can you provide?
japanese anime also seems to do just fine in the US, fans seem to prefer the original japanese dialogue with subtitles. this seems to somewhat counter your assertion that all americans want is americanized remakes.
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pushing it? how about they stop buying it, or stop producing it themselves?
i find stuff like rammstein's "amerika" quite amusing. their song is a pointed criticism/whine/lament about the pervasiveness of "american culture", yet rammstein themselves are part of the problem -- they're playing rock music, which is perhaps the single most pervasive and identifiable aspect of american culture.
they'd be less hypocritical if they played polkas or something.
blaming the us is stylish and cool, but american culture and music was already popular in eg communist countries under tight dictatorships -- it's not like we forced it on them at gunpoint, and there wasn't exactly advertising campaigns for it either. might be better to ask yourself why american culture and products are popular despite not being forced upon people at gunpoint.
what arabic literature and shows do you think would appeal to western audiences? the only company so far that seems willing to take western audiences head-on is al jazeera.
that's just it though. ender's game was not great. it was incredibly two dimensional, shallow, and telegraphed everything light years away. osc took a fad of the times (video games) and wrote a story around it. thing is, it was already a cliche by the time he had got to it. it's way, way cliche now.
he did know his target audience though -- angsty teens. ender's game appeals strongly to teens, because it's a story about getting ultimate revenge on bullies. what angsty bullied teen doesn't love a story like that?
oh and before you accuse me of dissing ender's game "just because you don't like his politics" -- i read ender's game and concluded it was mediocre fluff about a decade before I ever discovered osc was an asshat - or anything else about him for that matter. osc's political views have zero bearing on my conclusion ender's game is doggie poo.
there are many, many SF stories which are "great". ender's game is not one of them.
all the world is a nail and postgresql is the hammer, eh?
nice black and white worldview there.
i realize it's fashionable these days to bash mysql for reason-du-jour, but it comes off like openbsd fanatics bashing linux -- it turns people away. you win few converts by calling them clueless.
but you will continue feverishly wringing your hands over how people "just don't get it". then you'll go and post more truly astounding winners on/. and drive more potential users away.
I'm not surprised if the OSS movement is dead in 20 years if this continues.
And people like slashname3 and backslashdot and mcrbids will have the dubious honor of having played a part in killing it. And all for what, a group facial of software-supremacist-bukkake from all that mental masturbation. Hope it was worth it guys. BillG has nothing to fear from OSS with people like you around, you hurt OSS more than BillG ever could.
No he isn't harmless. He hires virus authors to write programs to infect PCs so he can spam from them. He ddoses networks. He rips people off.
He might not go round clubbing people and taking their money, but he's still a big time criminal, defrauding people of millions of dollars. He's causing economic harm on massive scales, and the people being hurt are more often than not the elderly.
He's also an easy target since he publically boasts about what he does, the FBI would be considered neglectful if they didn't take him down.
"The only way to stop spam is to stop it being profitable."
This is simply not possible.
The cost of spamming is so low that you can send multiple emails to every person on the planet, and if you get even a single response, you've made a profit.
In order to eliminate spam you're going to have to eliminate stupid people. Every single one of them on the entire planet.
Hold your horses. Why was he "raided"? What law did he break? Did you break the same law last week?
Criminal trespass. Theft of service. Unlawful access to computers. Unjust enrichment. Denial of service attacks. These are just a few of the laws he broke.
I really hope you didn't break the same laws last week, but if you did then you really deserve to go to prison.
Don't even start with the licensing issue with me. Some Mysql bashers have an undeniably large reserve of excuses. First, it was the triggers, stored proc, etc. Then it was data integrity (which was solved by InnoDB). Then the license. Probably their mascot after this. They probably don't even know why they don't like it in the first place.
Yep. It's fashionable and leet to bash mysql, like it's fashionable and leet for bsd users to bash linux. And as you pointed out, it doesn't really matter what mysql can or can't do, they will come up with some bogus reason-du-jour. It gets even better when the people bashing don't even use mysql _or_ postgresql, they just read a couple articles on the web and jumped on the bashing bandwagon to make themselves feel leet.
They dont seem to understand they don't win converts by calling them idiots. Then they feverishly wring their hands wondering aloud why nobody seems to use postgresql. Then they go back on/. and call some more people idiots.
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The fact the nobel prize was awarded completely destroys parent poster's claim that such things are being supressed "by the etablishment/man/corporation/aliens/etc.".
sure, firefox is big. but it doesn't approach the slowness and bloatedness of azureus. firefox may be bloated enough, but it isn't slow enough to be using a java ui ;)
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so many people use azureus because its featureful and has shiny buttons. they tolerate its bloatedness and slowness, sort of like people tolerate eclipse because it's a nice ide even if it's slow as molasses. or like they tolerate microsoft windows despite the viruses and malware and crashes.
however the shiny azureus gui isn't enough to make me want to use it over the perfectly functional, much more responsive, and much less resource hungry python client. i can also detach the python client into a screen session and log off
so java has two resource-hungry and dog slow gui applications to tout as its shining example of how it's dominating the entire software development world. color me unimpressed?
azureus takes that much on w2k also. shrug.
my boxen are fine. no other applications eat resources like java gui apps.
i'm not the only one who noticed this though. google and you'll find a lot of complaints about azureus being a monstrous memory pig and deadly slow.
on the topic of interesting data points, australia has more lawyers per capita than any other country in the world, including america. dont know if they have the highest per capita lawsuits though.
agreed, mantis and phpmyadmin are wonderful. i use them both heavily. mantis is miles better than bugzilla -- bugzilla is relatively top-heavy and the interface is very cumbersome.
php is perfectly adequate for 99% of peoples needs. that 1% who dont have their needs fulfulled by php will use java. the postgresql people who whine about mysql market share are the same: they resolutely insist everyone needs that last 1%, even if they don't. in reality mysql is perfectly adequate for 99%.
No. It can run within a few 100k on mobile devices.
Which means nothing for web servers. Unless you recommend running J2ME on a web server?
still, a few 100k is a _lot_, many embedded devices have only a few kb.
Non-GUI java apps can run in just a few MB.
Of course, java was supposed to have completely taken over years ago (if you believed the sun hype).
java's niche keeps shrinking. first it was 'take over the world' then 'take over the desktop' then 'take over light clients' then 'take over appliances' then 'take over mobile devices'. well, it hasnt really taken over anything yet, despite over a decade of hype. it keeps getting forced into ever smaller niches. the fragmentation of java into mobile/enterprise/etc shows theyre just now coming to grips with the fundamental problems of java that they've been denying for so long.
azureus is a slow, bloated pile of doggie poo. i mean really, why should a bittorrent client take _500mb_ of ram just to idle empty? it also takes ages to start up on my opteron 1400 with 1.5gb ddr2700 dual channel, whereas all other clients start up in a fraction of a second. azureus menus are eye-wateringly slow as is the rest of the interface.
eclipse isn't any better.
not exactly glowing examples of java, unless you're saying mind-blowingly slow applications are a selling point.
hardly. it's quite mainstream now. what gets run on cartoon network might be edited, but what's on the shelves at rental stores or wal-mart is largely unedited (or at least, you can enable japanese language / sutitles on the dvds). also remember disney and miyazaki -- unedited and pristine by contract.
it wasnt so long ago that a single anime series - tenchi muyo - accounted for a large bulk of pioneer entertainment's revenue. and that revenue wasn't small, either.
heavily edited? sometimes. niche? no. maybe in 1985 but not in 2005.
unadulterated british sitcoms are nicely popular on american tv, eg PBS. they don't get run on the commercial networks but there are still plenty of fans who watch it in its untouched original format (excluding the PAL->NTSC conversion of course :) doctor who while not being a sitcom, has a decent enough audience in the US. there are many unadulterated british programs which run just fine on american tv.
there are exceptions of course, all in the family was a remake of the british series "Till Death Do Us Part". the american series sanford and son was a remake of the british "steptoe and son". these remakes were worse than the british originals? other than "its not british so it sucks", what objective reasoning can you provide?
japanese anime also seems to do just fine in the US, fans seem to prefer the original japanese dialogue with subtitles. this seems to somewhat counter your assertion that all americans want is americanized remakes.
pushing it? how about they stop buying it, or stop producing it themselves?
i find stuff like rammstein's "amerika" quite amusing. their song is a pointed criticism/whine/lament about the pervasiveness of "american culture", yet rammstein themselves are part of the problem -- they're playing rock music, which is perhaps the single most pervasive and identifiable aspect of american culture.
they'd be less hypocritical if they played polkas or something.
blaming the us is stylish and cool, but american culture and music was already popular in eg communist countries under tight dictatorships -- it's not like we forced it on them at gunpoint, and there wasn't exactly advertising campaigns for it either. might be better to ask yourself why american culture and products are popular despite not being forced upon people at gunpoint.
what arabic literature and shows do you think would appeal to western audiences? the only company so far that seems willing to take western audiences head-on is al jazeera.
and this is a bad thing? i see it as a perfect way to destroy the RIAA and MPAA.
well yeah, and britney spears is a top seller and won a grammy too. doesn't mean I'd define her as an excellent artist -- just popular.
:P
i give as much creedence to ender's game on the list there as I do for britney spears.
it was lucent.
that's just it though. ender's game was not great. it was incredibly two dimensional, shallow, and telegraphed everything light years away. osc took a fad of the times (video games) and wrote a story around it. thing is, it was already a cliche by the time he had got to it. it's way, way cliche now.
he did know his target audience though -- angsty teens. ender's game appeals strongly to teens, because it's a story about getting ultimate revenge on bullies. what angsty bullied teen doesn't love a story like that?
oh and before you accuse me of dissing ender's game "just because you don't like his politics" -- i read ender's game and concluded it was mediocre fluff about a decade before I ever discovered osc was an asshat - or anything else about him for that matter. osc's political views have zero bearing on my conclusion ender's game is doggie poo.
there are many, many SF stories which are "great". ender's game is not one of them.
"million zombie pc army". your bandwidth, servers, and electricity are all free via your infected victims. just ask ralsky, he's the master.
Let's just forget about the whole thing and start with an open mind instead.
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You'll be about as successful convincing postgresql fanatics to fairly evaluate mysql, as you would be to convert militant islamists to judaism.
Forget it. Ain't gonna happen, especially not on
all the world is a nail and postgresql is the hammer, eh?
/. and drive more potential users away.
nice black and white worldview there.
i realize it's fashionable these days to bash mysql for reason-du-jour, but it comes off like openbsd fanatics bashing linux -- it turns people away. you win few converts by calling them clueless.
but you will continue feverishly wringing your hands over how people "just don't get it". then you'll go and post more truly astounding winners on
I'm not surprised if the OSS movement is dead in 20 years if this continues.
And people like slashname3 and backslashdot and mcrbids will have the dubious honor of having played a part in killing it. And all for what, a group facial of software-supremacist-bukkake from all that mental masturbation. Hope it was worth it guys. BillG has nothing to fear from OSS with people like you around, you hurt OSS more than BillG ever could.
No he isn't harmless. He hires virus authors to write programs to infect PCs so he can spam from them. He ddoses networks. He rips people off.
He might not go round clubbing people and taking their money, but he's still a big time criminal, defrauding people of millions of dollars. He's causing economic harm on massive scales, and the people being hurt are more often than not the elderly.
He's also an easy target since he publically boasts about what he does, the FBI would be considered neglectful if they didn't take him down.
"The only way to stop spam is to stop it being profitable."
This is simply not possible.
The cost of spamming is so low that you can send multiple emails to every person on the planet, and if you get even a single response, you've made a profit.
In order to eliminate spam you're going to have to eliminate stupid people. Every single one of them on the entire planet.
Ain't gonna happen.
Hold your horses. Why was he "raided"? What law did he break? Did you break the same law last week?
Criminal trespass. Theft of service. Unlawful access to computers. Unjust enrichment. Denial of service attacks. These are just a few of the laws he broke.
I really hope you didn't break the same laws last week, but if you did then you really deserve to go to prison.
Don't even start with the licensing issue with me. Some Mysql bashers have an undeniably large reserve of excuses. First, it was the triggers, stored proc, etc. Then it was data integrity (which was solved by InnoDB). Then the license. Probably their mascot after this. They probably don't even know why they don't like it in the first place.
/. and call some more people idiots.
Yep. It's fashionable and leet to bash mysql, like it's fashionable and leet for bsd users to bash linux. And as you pointed out, it doesn't really matter what mysql can or can't do, they will come up with some bogus reason-du-jour. It gets even better when the people bashing don't even use mysql _or_ postgresql, they just read a couple articles on the web and jumped on the bashing bandwagon to make themselves feel leet.
They dont seem to understand they don't win converts by calling them idiots. Then they feverishly wring their hands wondering aloud why nobody seems to use postgresql. Then they go back on
you are a perfect example of what's wrong with the postgresql community.