No it can't. I can send a message and it doesn't get through and I may not get a notification about that.
Now, I understand what your saying. Your saying that thunderbird, as a email client, does its job properly. I'm saying, email is broken. If thunderbird could solve that - still using email addresses but not using the current email system to send them, then it would be great.
legitimate email is not supposed to vanish without a trace.
But it does.
The fact of the matter is that emails that many people suffer a lot of problems with emails, from my old ma to the CEOs of large companies. The current email system is flawed. Telling me that it's perfect or that it already does everything that everyone want is just frankly rubbish. The reason I find this subject so annoying is that one day there will be a better messaging system than email, but it looks like it's not going to come from the OSS community.
The system should be designed so that emails can never be silently lost. If an message doesn't get through because there's a problem with the recipients system, then I want to know about it. The fact that emails can be silently lost is a major flaw in its design.
The OSS community could come up with a better solution, but it seems that they would prefer to defend an imperfect system.
Email is like the weather, everyone complains about it, but no one does anything about it.
Too right! Just read all the other responses in this thread. It makes me depressed.
One day someone will come out with a better messaging solution and it will take off like wildfire. But if Slashdotter are representative of the OSS community then it looks like it is unlikely to come from the OSS community.
Spoken like a true nerd. You, the user are the problem. You sent an email and the person didn't receive it? D'uh! You don't understand how email works! Email is perfect, dumbass! You're the one with the problem!
I have posted this plea for better email numerous times on Slashdot and all I ever get is a bunch of responses full of excuses for the current system or reasons why it is not possible or is too difficult.
All I want is a little red dot next to a sent message if it has not been received (or if the system can't tell if it's been received). Yes, I know that there are all kinds of reasons why with the current way email works doing this is problematic. But that's the whole problem. Come on guys, why all the negativity about this subject?
I'm not blaming anyone for anything. I think the OSS community rocks. It's just this particular problem is waiting for a solution, and nobody seems to be trying to find it.
All I want is a little red dot next to emails in my sent folder that weren't received by the recipient. I don't think that's impossible. It may be difficult. It may not be to do using the current way email works.
But we'll have it one day and it would be better if it was the OSS community that provided an open way to do this.
And watch your SPAM levels increase exponentially as it's instantly confirmed that your address is valid. This is the kind of address verification that email harvesters/list sellers would kill for.
Unless of course I could approve notifications, i.e. if a message comes from an address that isn't already in my address book I can choose to accept messages from that address or not.
No it doesn't. Emails do not get through and sometimes no notification is given. I don't care why this happens, but it does. and that, quite frankly, is rubbish.
Why do you guys always rush to the defense of email. It's a crappy system.
When I phone someone, and there is a problem with their telephone or telephone system, I get an engaged tone or equivanent.
All I'm asking is if I send someone an email, and they don't receive it for whatever reason, I know about it. An engaged tone for email, if you like. And no, the email system does not do this.
Hate campaigns don't work? Well look at Microsoft's current campaign, they aren't criticizing their competitors, they are criticising you. You're a dinosaur. It's been running for quite a while so I guess they think it's effective. Unfortunately I think in the longer term it could backfire, as seen for instance in a recent cartoon in the Economist portraying MS as a dinosaur.
There is a real opportunity here that I believe the OSS community is missing, which is why I was deliberately provocative.
Image if sending emails between OSS clients like Thunderbird was actually better than using, for instance, Outlook. I could say to my contacts, hey use Thunderbird for your email and you'll know that I've received it. They might then say to their contacts the same thing, and the uptake spreads. Firefox spread because it is better than IE. Thunderbird would spread like wildfire if it could do secure, guaranteed (to arrive, or notification if not) email.
please come up with a better email! As a business user I need something that has guaranteed, secure delivery. I don't care how it is done, but that's what I need. If you don't do it, eventually somebody else will - probably Microsoft - and then you'll complain about their implementation and be playing catchup.
Of course the Chinese are going to welcome foreign investment. But they are not naive - they will welcome Microsoft's cash and make all the right noises, and at the same time they will make sure that we carry on buying more and more of their stuff, whilst they buy fairly little of ours. This rush for western companies to establish in China has been going on for many years now, but few have achieved it. I think perhaps we are the ones being naive...
Everyone should try SketchUp out. It is great - you can make a scale accurate model of your house in no time.
The only problem with it from my point of view is that it isn't really made for rendering - its output is fairly blocky visually. Which brings me to my question - has anyone successfully used SketchUp to create complex models that they've then rendered in another application? If so, how did you do it and do you have an example image on the web we can see?
As Slashdotters, you'll all be aware that one of the fundamental requirements of a secure transaction is to be able to validate someone is who they say they are. How can you do that without some kind of ID card? Get this - in the UK if you go to open a bank account, they ask you for a gas bill! You can phone up your gas company, ask them to add any name you want to the bill, and then take the resulting bill into a bank and use it as proof of address! Or if you want to claim social security benefits, you just need to take in your birth certificate. But the ink washes off old birth certificates, I kid you not. And yet many people in the UK have an almost rabid passion about their right not to have an official means to identify themselves. Sorry, but I just don't get it.
I got one of the 15" ones just a few days ago. It rocks.
If you have a significant other that isn't interested in computers, get one of these and then demonstrate Frontrow with the remote to go through your photos/music/video. You might find they suddenly take an interest...
Actually I would consider this to be an issue of free speech. If I wish to discuss fashion designs the only real effective dialog to do so would be in pictures of the fashion designs I'm discussing. To prevent me from being able to post those pictures is to significantly inhibit my ability to discuss them.
But using that type of argument you can turn pretty much anything into a free speech issue. I wish to discuss X, but can't because I can't make copies of it, so it's a free speech issue.
Don't jump to conclusions about this just because this is about France! This isn't really about free speech, it's about definitions of intellectual property. Under French law, fashion designs are considered to be protected intellectual property, but not under American law.
Personally, given the current intellectual property landscape, I don't think the French case is unreasonable - no less unreasonable than much of the intellectual property law the USA is trying to force the rest of the world to agree to.
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It can.
No it can't. I can send a message and it doesn't get through and I may not get a notification about that.
Now, I understand what your saying. Your saying that thunderbird, as a email client, does its job properly. I'm saying, email is broken. If thunderbird could solve that - still using email addresses but not using the current email system to send them, then it would be great.
maybe the problem is that you are not listening
I am listening...
legitimate email is not supposed to vanish without a trace.
But it does.
The fact of the matter is that emails that many people suffer a lot of problems with emails, from my old ma to the CEOs of large companies. The current email system is flawed. Telling me that it's perfect or that it already does everything that everyone want is just frankly rubbish. The reason I find this subject so annoying is that one day there will be a better messaging system than email, but it looks like it's not going to come from the OSS community.
silent loss of a legitimate email...
The system should be designed so that emails can never be silently lost. If an message doesn't get through because there's a problem with the recipients system, then I want to know about it. The fact that emails can be silently lost is a major flaw in its design.
The OSS community could come up with a better solution, but it seems that they would prefer to defend an imperfect system.
I do wonder why you sound so bitter about it, though.
I find the attitude of the OSS community depressing about this subject. They are too close to the technology and can't see the flaws in it.
Email is like the weather, everyone complains about it, but no one does anything about it.
Too right! Just read all the other responses in this thread. It makes me depressed.
One day someone will come out with a better messaging solution and it will take off like wildfire. But if Slashdotter are representative of the OSS community then it looks like it is unlikely to come from the OSS community.
Spoken like a true nerd. You, the user are the problem. You sent an email and the person didn't receive it? D'uh! You don't understand how email works! Email is perfect, dumbass! You're the one with the problem!
Use registered post.
what kind of an answer is that?
I have posted this plea for better email numerous times on Slashdot and all I ever get is a bunch of responses full of excuses for the current system or reasons why it is not possible or is too difficult.
All I want is a little red dot next to a sent message if it has not been received (or if the system can't tell if it's been received). Yes, I know that there are all kinds of reasons why with the current way email works doing this is problematic. But that's the whole problem. Come on guys, why all the negativity about this subject?
That already exists - read receipts.
No, read receipts are not the same. That is for an individual email. I'm talking about the person it comes from, not the email.
And yes, they are extremely annoying.
Whose fault is the current situation again?
I'm not blaming anyone for anything. I think the OSS community rocks. It's just this particular problem is waiting for a solution, and nobody seems to be trying to find it.
Excuses.
All I want is a little red dot next to emails in my sent folder that weren't received by the recipient. I don't think that's impossible. It may be difficult. It may not be to do using the current way email works.
But we'll have it one day and it would be better if it was the OSS community that provided an open way to do this.
And watch your SPAM levels increase exponentially as it's instantly confirmed that your address is valid. This is the kind of address verification that email harvesters/list sellers would kill for.
Unless of course I could approve notifications, i.e. if a message comes from an address that isn't already in my address book I can choose to accept messages from that address or not.
I guess that solves the first problem.
No it doesn't. Emails do not get through and sometimes no notification is given. I don't care why this happens, but it does. and that, quite frankly, is rubbish.
Why do you guys always rush to the defense of email. It's a crappy system.
When I phone someone, and there is a problem with their telephone or telephone system, I get an engaged tone or equivanent.
All I'm asking is if I send someone an email, and they don't receive it for whatever reason, I know about it. An engaged tone for email, if you like. And no, the email system does not do this.
I'm a recent Mac switcher, *love* my new iMac.
I switched a year ago and MS would have to do something wonderful to make me switch back.
These ads are funny, but Apple should be honest.
The ads are cool. Apple are just playing on people's experiences with PCs. The ads wouldn't work if there wasn't truth in them.
Hate campaigns don't work? Well look at Microsoft's current campaign, they aren't criticizing their competitors, they are criticising you. You're a dinosaur. It's been running for quite a while so I guess they think it's effective. Unfortunately I think in the longer term it could backfire, as seen for instance in a recent cartoon in the Economist portraying MS as a dinosaur.
Good day to you, troll.
I am not a troll.
There is a real opportunity here that I believe the OSS community is missing, which is why I was deliberately provocative.
Image if sending emails between OSS clients like Thunderbird was actually better than using, for instance, Outlook. I could say to my contacts, hey use Thunderbird for your email and you'll know that I've received it. They might then say to their contacts the same thing, and the uptake spreads. Firefox spread because it is better than IE. Thunderbird would spread like wildfire if it could do secure, guaranteed (to arrive, or notification if not) email.
Dear OSS community,
please come up with a better email! As a business user I need something that has guaranteed, secure delivery. I don't care how it is done, but that's what I need. If you don't do it, eventually somebody else will - probably Microsoft - and then you'll complain about their implementation and be playing catchup.
Thanks!
P.S. Yes, I know it's difficult.
Of course the Chinese are going to welcome foreign investment. But they are not naive - they will welcome Microsoft's cash and make all the right noises, and at the same time they will make sure that we carry on buying more and more of their stuff, whilst they buy fairly little of ours. This rush for western companies to establish in China has been going on for many years now, but few have achieved it. I think perhaps we are the ones being naive...
Blender is certainly less intuitive than SketchUp
You said it!
We need an Open Source modeller that is as easy to use as SketchUp. That would rock!
Everyone should try SketchUp out. It is great - you can make a scale accurate model of your house in no time.
The only problem with it from my point of view is that it isn't really made for rendering - its output is fairly blocky visually. Which brings me to my question - has anyone successfully used SketchUp to create complex models that they've then rendered in another application? If so, how did you do it and do you have an example image on the web we can see?
As Slashdotters, you'll all be aware that one of the fundamental requirements of a secure transaction is to be able to validate someone is who they say they are. How can you do that without some kind of ID card? Get this - in the UK if you go to open a bank account, they ask you for a gas bill! You can phone up your gas company, ask them to add any name you want to the bill, and then take the resulting bill into a bank and use it as proof of address! Or if you want to claim social security benefits, you just need to take in your birth certificate. But the ink washes off old birth certificates, I kid you not. And yet many people in the UK have an almost rabid passion about their right not to have an official means to identify themselves. Sorry, but I just don't get it.
I got one last week and it is completely silent. It does get a bit hot, but it is not as bad as I was anticipating.
I got one of the 15" ones just a few days ago. It rocks.
If you have a significant other that isn't interested in computers, get one of these and then demonstrate Frontrow with the remote to go through your photos/music/video. You might find they suddenly take an interest...
Actually I would consider this to be an issue of free speech. If I wish to discuss fashion designs the only real effective dialog to do so would be in pictures of the fashion designs I'm discussing. To prevent me from being able to post those pictures is to significantly inhibit my ability to discuss them.
But using that type of argument you can turn pretty much anything into a free speech issue. I wish to discuss X, but can't because I can't make copies of it, so it's a free speech issue.
Don't jump to conclusions about this just because this is about France! This isn't really about free speech, it's about definitions of intellectual property. Under French law, fashion designs are considered to be protected intellectual property, but not under American law.
Personally, given the current intellectual property landscape, I don't think the French case is unreasonable - no less unreasonable than much of the intellectual property law the USA is trying to force the rest of the world to agree to.