Nevermind the moronic idea that happiness is *only* acheived through buying a gigantic parcel of land miles from civilization. Sorry, I don't want to be trapped in my car 2 to 3 hours a day. And it wouldn't matter to me whether I was commuting in a BMW or an SUV pulling this guy's boat. I enjoy my bike ride or morning skateboard ride much more and therefore I have to live in suburbia. To each his own, right?
Exactly. My wife and I are basically planning to get out of the industry. Paying off everything we can now, knowing that the entire nation (America) will someday be a pure service economy and that we have to be prepared to live close to the belt like everyone else, regardless of talent.
Right. That's the answer, Mensa. Nevermind that I can't magically lower my cost of living to be in line with the cost of living in India. My student loans don't magically become worth less, just because I get paid less. Nor does my mortgage cost shrink, because my pay shrinks.
Anyway, you apparantly didn't read what I wrote. I said I have a job NOW. I've been fully employed at a healthy salary since 1993 (when I graduated). However, given current trends in the industry I fully expect to NOT be employed in software development in the future unless either (A) I'm lucky or (B) the cost of living gets really really low here in the US. We're talking 3rd-world nation low. Then again, that's where the suits are pushing us, so maybe we'll be a third world nation soon. Then perhaps we could compete.
Except in the future the person creating the tool will be someone in India, since they can pay them less. So, no, the software industry isn't dead, as long as you live in India. Same with manufacturing, human resources, and pretty much everything else (aside from being a worthless manager) that used to pay well here. So keep learning software development if you want, but just remember that there are many of us IN software development NOW that realize that unless this country wakes up soon we'll be saying "Want fry's with that" someday, regardless of how smart we are or how hard we work.
Or try to be marginally flexible, open-minded and intelligent and realize that SuSE underwrites a lot of the work doing on OSS, so purchasing SuSE actually contributes to OSS.
Not just that, but companies like SuSE employ some of the people that do large portions of the work that all the other distros benefit from. I buy SuSE because it's a kick-ass product. But it also makes me feel good, knowing that I'm at least giving a little something to support the development of OSS.
Many of us who use Linux see the way you're driving it and don't like it. That's your right, of course. The GPL says you can do this. But it's kind of embarrasing, because what you do is akin to the life of someone who owns a circus. You're all promotion and glitz and show and meanwhile you're abusing the animals doing the actual work (i.e. you're abusing the code and producing a bastardized distro that's an embarassing introduction to Linux). So my question is this. Do you plan on actually working someday or do you plan on spending the rest of your natural life trying to squeeze every single dollar you can out of technology you didn't help create and barely understand? If you don't plan on actually creating something of your own, can you please move on to Nanotechnology or whatever the next big thing is going to be that you'll inevitably try to leach off of?
I agree totally. I'm surprised constantly by the fact that KDE is so popular. Gnome is simple and it just works. It's so much lighter than KDE. But I guess looks are more important than functionality.
No. The "Oh Wait..." part means that the joke was actually a reference to all the jokes where we want to run Linux on something that doesn't come with Linux by default, but then he realized that it does come with linux, thus the "Oh wait".
I agree, incidentally. I was simply refuting this idea that the install was the problem. The install isn't the problem. It's the apps and the day to day operation of a Linux desktop.
I agree, regarding Free Software, incidentally. Problem is, there's alway s something a user wants that isn't out there free and of the same quality. So this day will never come. At least not as long as there is a profit motive for making software. Regarding Lindows, don't you have to pay $100 a year for that privelage? Not exactly free. Maybe the wave of the future, but if you can buy a distro that includes all the same software anyway, I don't see the bargain in this.
Why do you ask if I've instlled Windows? That's kind of a silly question, don't you think? Maybe I installed Windows because I worked at companies that used Windows. Maybe because I used Windows at one point. I've used Macintosh too. I've been a user. And a system admin. And a developer. I'm a developer primarily. Either way, I think I understand end users pretty well. Having been one on 3 different OSs in the last 5 years (jumping from Mac to Windows to Linux).
Wrong. I've installed every flavor of Windows from 3.1 through XP. I've administered networks of WinNT and Win2k servers and my wife uses XP on her laptop dual-booted with SuSE. And I seriously find all of these more difficult than Linux. Windows XP is pretty easy, by virtue of the fact that the install is less interactive, but they just make you set up a bunch of stuff the first time you run it, so what's the difference?
Secondly, who said anything about unattended setup scripts? If you read the headline it says "Consumer". Most consumers install Windows interactively and not with scripts. So that argument makes no sense.
On the other hand, if you're talking about companies shipping Linux distros (like a Dell or something) I'm fairly certain they can disk-image Linux. In fact, I'm fairly certain it's easier to do this with Linux.
Most of the consumer distros get this right. In fact, my experience is that SuSE, Red Hat and Mandrake are all easier to install and more logical than Windows. Plus they all come with great install documentation. The big problem has been and probably always will be compatability with the 1000s of software and games that ma and pa can buy at the local CompUSA (not to mention Wal-Mart).
I said stupid because it was stupid. Not everyone can be management. And what happens when THOSE jobs go away. What then, Mensa? Guess I'll have to learn to love greeting people at Wal-Mart. Except, how will Wal-Mart be able to stay in business if no one can actually afford to buy anything?
That's moronic. The problem isn't lack of education or motivation. The problem is that executives are using lax labor and environmental laws in foreign countries to line their pockets. When all of us work at service jobs flipping burgers, how is that going to be good for the economy again?
That's probably the stupidest thing I've ever read. If none of us can have jobs except at Jack in the Box, then what good does it do for us to have customers overseas. If all the customers AND the workers are overseas then what are going to be doing, exactly? Oh yeah, we'll be able to get jobs going to war to protect the rights of our companies to flout labor laws overseas in order to line the pockets of executives.
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Because then eventually the only place for us to work is McDonald's or Niketown or K-Mart. What a wonderous economy that will be.
Are you implying that we should all surrender since Germany uses KDE (didn't we try that before)? Sorry. I prefer Gnome. Can I keep using it or do I have to roll over France-style now?
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Nevermind the moronic idea that happiness is *only* acheived through buying a gigantic parcel of land miles from civilization. Sorry, I don't want to be trapped in my car 2 to 3 hours a day. And it wouldn't matter to me whether I was commuting in a BMW or an SUV pulling this guy's boat. I enjoy my bike ride or morning skateboard ride much more and therefore I have to live in suburbia. To each his own, right?
Exactly. My wife and I are basically planning to get out of the industry. Paying off everything we can now, knowing that the entire nation (America) will someday be a pure service economy and that we have to be prepared to live close to the belt like everyone else, regardless of talent.
Right. That's the answer, Mensa. Nevermind that I can't magically lower my cost of living to be in line with the cost of living in India. My student loans don't magically become worth less, just because I get paid less. Nor does my mortgage cost shrink, because my pay shrinks.
Anyway, you apparantly didn't read what I wrote. I said I have a job NOW. I've been fully employed at a healthy salary since 1993 (when I graduated). However, given current trends in the industry I fully expect to NOT be employed in software development in the future unless either (A) I'm lucky or (B) the cost of living gets really really low here in the US. We're talking 3rd-world nation low. Then again, that's where the suits are pushing us, so maybe we'll be a third world nation soon. Then perhaps we could compete.
Except in the future the person creating the tool will be someone in India, since they can pay them less. So, no, the software industry isn't dead, as long as you live in India. Same with manufacturing, human resources, and pretty much everything else (aside from being a worthless manager) that used to pay well here. So keep learning software development if you want, but just remember that there are many of us IN software development NOW that realize that unless this country wakes up soon we'll be saying "Want fry's with that" someday, regardless of how smart we are or how hard we work.
Or try to be marginally flexible, open-minded and intelligent and realize that SuSE underwrites a lot of the work doing on OSS, so purchasing SuSE actually contributes to OSS.
Not just that, but companies like SuSE employ some of the people that do large portions of the work that all the other distros benefit from. I buy SuSE because it's a kick-ass product. But it also makes me feel good, knowing that I'm at least giving a little something to support the development of OSS.
Many of us who use Linux see the way you're driving it and don't like it. That's your right, of course. The GPL says you can do this. But it's kind of embarrasing, because what you do is akin to the life of someone who owns a circus. You're all promotion and glitz and show and meanwhile you're abusing the animals doing the actual work (i.e. you're abusing the code and producing a bastardized distro that's an embarassing introduction to Linux). So my question is this. Do you plan on actually working someday or do you plan on spending the rest of your natural life trying to squeeze every single dollar you can out of technology you didn't help create and barely understand? If you don't plan on actually creating something of your own, can you please move on to Nanotechnology or whatever the next big thing is going to be that you'll inevitably try to leach off of?
"Hey sucka, I pity the fool that mess with IBM."
Mod this up!!! Lucifer's Hammer would make a wonderful movie. Especially in this day and age that we live in.
I agree totally. I'm surprised constantly by the fact that KDE is so popular. Gnome is simple and it just works. It's so much lighter than KDE. But I guess looks are more important than functionality.
No. The "Oh Wait..." part means that the joke was actually a reference to all the jokes where we want to run Linux on something that doesn't come with Linux by default, but then he realized that it does come with linux, thus the "Oh wait".
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Actually, that's a good question, since Lindows is barely worthy of being called a Linux distro.
Not to mention a clever tip of the hat to Back to the Future.
I agree, incidentally. I was simply refuting this idea that the install was the problem. The install isn't the problem. It's the apps and the day to day operation of a Linux desktop.
I agree, regarding Free Software, incidentally. Problem is, there's alway s something a user wants that isn't out there free and of the same quality. So this day will never come. At least not as long as there is a profit motive for making software. Regarding Lindows, don't you have to pay $100 a year for that privelage? Not exactly free. Maybe the wave of the future, but if you can buy a distro that includes all the same software anyway, I don't see the bargain in this.
Why do you ask if I've instlled Windows? That's kind of a silly question, don't you think? Maybe I installed Windows because I worked at companies that used Windows. Maybe because I used Windows at one point. I've used Macintosh too. I've been a user. And a system admin. And a developer. I'm a developer primarily. Either way, I think I understand end users pretty well. Having been one on 3 different OSs in the last 5 years (jumping from Mac to Windows to Linux).
With regards to NTFS this is true. Especially (as you said) with XP proliferating.
Secondly, who said anything about unattended setup scripts? If you read the headline it says "Consumer". Most consumers install Windows interactively and not with scripts. So that argument makes no sense.
On the other hand, if you're talking about companies shipping Linux distros (like a Dell or something) I'm fairly certain they can disk-image Linux. In fact, I'm fairly certain it's easier to do this with Linux.
Most of the consumer distros get this right. In fact, my experience is that SuSE, Red Hat and Mandrake are all easier to install and more logical than Windows. Plus they all come with great install documentation. The big problem has been and probably always will be compatability with the 1000s of software and games that ma and pa can buy at the local CompUSA (not to mention Wal-Mart).
I said stupid because it was stupid. Not everyone can be management. And what happens when THOSE jobs go away. What then, Mensa? Guess I'll have to learn to love greeting people at Wal-Mart. Except, how will Wal-Mart be able to stay in business if no one can actually afford to buy anything?
I was joking. Sorry I forgot the sarcasm tag.
That's moronic. The problem isn't lack of education or motivation. The problem is that executives are using lax labor and environmental laws in foreign countries to line their pockets. When all of us work at service jobs flipping burgers, how is that going to be good for the economy again?
That's probably the stupidest thing I've ever read. If none of us can have jobs except at Jack in the Box, then what good does it do for us to have customers overseas. If all the customers AND the workers are overseas then what are going to be doing, exactly? Oh yeah, we'll be able to get jobs going to war to protect the rights of our companies to flout labor laws overseas in order to line the pockets of executives.
Because then eventually the only place for us to work is McDonald's or Niketown or K-Mart. What a wonderous economy that will be.
Are you implying that we should all surrender since Germany uses KDE (didn't we try that before)? Sorry. I prefer Gnome. Can I keep using it or do I have to roll over France-style now?