I get that too - then I show 'em the logs that show the database processor is mostly idle as it waits for their application to either request more data or finish working on what it's got!
Here's one that'll make you howl: "sorting is a presentation-tier concern"
Wouldn't call it a problem, but there just seems to be something about it that drives all the Oo fanboys up the wall - maybe it's the fact that they can't make nice UML diagrams of a query or something.
There nothing wrong with SQL and RDBMS - they've been around for years and they'll be around for years to come. I have this argument each and every day at work with people who seem to think that the solution to (hypothetical) "database bottlenecks" is to bury everything in a quarter of a million lines of EJB code and invest a king's ransom in application server licenses to run it on. Don't get me wrong: i've seen some real horrorshow coding with SQL mixed into code, but a bad coder will produce bad code in any language. Until then, SQL works. What more can you say?
Next time people ask my phonenumber I'll tell them "phone@jawtheshark.com" or if they want my cell it'll be "gsm@jawtheshak.com". Now, I'll just have to wait until the telcos comply with that scheme;-)
I predict your first calls on these will be from spammers.
What's to stop people from mis-using the stops for illegal activity such as Denial of Service, Hacking, etc?
What stops people from engaging in these activities from any of the existing free WiFi access points? I don't think that the fact that these are at highway rest stops should make much of a difference (but cue Matrix Reloaded highway chase scene anyway)
Could you make sure they blow up those satellites after the end of Euro2004? It's just that all us cultured Europeans are glued to our sets watching football till then.
Why doesn't he find a new cause? Campaign donations. I guess he gets paid just to bring this stuff up, irrespective of whether it passes or not. Just making the right noises to please his masters.
personally I'm annoyed that one particular anti-copy-protection technique used by CD manufacturers to prevent playing in CD-ROM drives also means they won't play in my stereo
Ironically, i find that you can always copy the disk anyways. So now we have copy-protected disks that won't play on your stereo (usually your car stereo) so you have to make a copy... that plays just fine.
Which would make it -1 Funny or -1 Troll or even -1 Overrated.
Your comment was certainly not "Insightful" or "Interesting". If anything it was +1 Slashbotting.
Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. I was going to argue that maybe - just maybe, mind you - the moderation was for some other aspect of my comment than the last line, but then i realized the futility of arguing with such a master of wit and discourse as yourself.
Sir, you have vanquished me - i freely admit myself beaten and withdraw from the field.;)
It's not a bug in firebird/firefox - it's something the evil corporate security apparatus did on the network side. I tried 0.8... no joy. Haven't tried since.
I tried. I had it installed from a zip file before (0.7), and then one day it just stopped working: couldn't connect any more. Wget also stopped working the same day, so i'm guessing they did something on the firewall (yes, i tried changing the user agent... no joy).
This isn't "my" work machine, it's a seperate low power cast off on an internet access LAN in the corner of the room. Just grit my teeth and bear it.
I don't know what this has to do w/the discussion Your comment was that Firefox has a number of features which aren't "necessary". My point was that they might not be necessary but rather useful/pleasant. Strictly speaking, the ability to display images isn't really necessary in a browser either.
No, I didn't compare those two. I just said that popup blocking isn't necessary for browsing. You said that "Pop-up control is a bit of a hassle but Google's toolbar stopped that stuff for me...", so obviousely you felt that it improved your browsing experience to install it. As for "I understand that a browser would be better with it but it certainly not necessary", see my point above.
IE renders all sites I have visited correctly. Two of the most common sites I have visited with Firefox did not. I was responding to your original claim of "...100% perfect rendering on ALL pages...". That's not the same as "perfect rendering on all the pages I visit".
The point is not moot. Actually, i was conceding the point of the discussion to you, since IE's market share means you won't find any (common) sites that don't render well in it. This isn't because of IE's superior rendering capabilities, but because page authors code around any deficiencies it may have. So the point is moot, ie irrelevant (from the pov of a user)
Again, not what I was talking about. You're drawing at straws. At least directly refute what I am saying. Do not bring up other things into the discussion. Well... i thought you were claiming that IE had the "BEST configuration out of the box". I was merely pointing out that IE requires some configuration in order to close common security holes such as activeX scripting exploits, etc.
And yet you were modded insightful. Fucking amazing. The little emoticon at the end of my sentence ";)" (commonly referred to as "wink" or "winking") is often used to indicate that a given statement is "just kidding".
I guess we differ on our opinions of what is necessary. Let me put this in context: ten years ago cell phones weren't "necessary". They aren't really "necessary" today either, but i'm not going back to my land-line only existence.
I think easy configuration, BEST configuration out of the box, and 100% perfect rendering on ALL pages being most important.
1) You had to install the Google toolbar to get pop up blocking and toolbar access to Google, two features that Firefox has "out of the box" (the google toolbar also includes form management, btw). You're comparing IE + Google toolbar with Firefox, which isn't a fair comparison (Firefox has a great number of extensions, shall we start comparing those?)
2) IE doesn't have "100% perfect rendering on ALL pages" - there even used to be pages that would cause IE to crash. Having said that, more web designers will make the effort to code around IE's problems (that's what 95%-plus market share does for you), so i guess the point is moot...
3) In terms of "BEST configuration out of the box", i trust that you have at least changed your browser's default security settings? Or are you surfing from behind a firewall? I trust that you have at least applied the security patches for IE (do you Windows Update?)
All of this is quickly heading for some stupid religious "my browser can beat up your browser" flamewar, so let's just leave it at this: whether or not you use Firefox, just the fact that it's out there testing new ideas in browsing ergonomy is good for all of us (yes yes, you included) because at least the discussion is moving forwards.
Oh, and btw: my browser CAN beat up your browser;)
I recently had to switch *back* to IE after an enjoyable hiatus on Firefox, and that's when i noticed just how over the hill IE is: - no tabbed browsing - no native pop up control - no caret browsing - no form management - no "block images from..." feature... etc etc.
I know that some (many) of these things are available as extras (for example with the google toolbar) but i was migrating back because i could no longer install software on my work internet machine(including the toolbar). It was like moving back to your childhood neighborhood and suddenly realizing how rose tinted your memories really are: all of a sudden i've got umpteen windows open (some pop ups, some i had to open to not lose the thread of what i was reading), everything's covered in ads, and i have to use the mouse to do everything. Basically: surfing sucks.
Mozilla/Firefox isn't a better browser because it's open source or non-Microsoft, it's a better browser because it enhances the quality of your surfing experience.
"Do you think that the people at the airport that run the stores have any idea what the prices are every place else in the world? Or do you think they just feel they have their own little country out there and they can charge anything they want? You're hungry? Tuna sandwich is nine dollars. You don't like it; go back to your own country. I think the whole airport airline complex is a huge scam just to sell the tuna sandwiches. I think that profit is what's supporting the whole air travel industry. I mean think about it; the terminals, the airplanes, it's all just a distraction so that you don't notice the beating that you're taking on the tuna."
You neglected to post that the median income for a four person household (in 2001) was about $48,000.
I'm not trying to claim that these people are poor, i'm just countering the (widely held?) view that professional musicians are all rich.
"Now look at them yo-yo's that's the way you do it You play the guitar on the MTV That ain't workin' that's the way you do it Money for nothin' and chicks for free"
Your point was that entertainers "...are the most affluent and in some quarters, most respected of anyone in the world today" - and that's just not true. You seem to think that the people you see on MTV or the cover of Rolling Stone are somehow representative of the world of professional musicians or entertainers - they aren't. As for your claim that entertainers "...provide nothing of any real value" - well, that's a bit harsh. Even without getting into the whle discussion on the subjective nature of value, i think a world without music would be a grey and drab place.
Adjust your aim: there's a whole bunch of fat cat business executives living large off of the work of these entertainers you so easily disparage.
That's absolutely true. It's not so long ago that entertainers, jesters, bards, actors, etc. were pretty low down on the social scale. Now however, entertainers (including those involved in sports), are the most affluent and in some quarters, most respected of anyone in the world today.
Median annual earnings of salaried musicians and singers were $36,290 in 2002. The middle 50 percent earned between $18,660 and $59,970. The lowest 10 percent earned less than $13,040, and the highest 10 percent earned more than $96,250. Median annual earnings were $43,060 in performing arts companies and $18,160 in religious organizations.
I just saw it last night, and i had lots of fun. The visual effects are cool and the planet does get frozen: nobody saves it at the last minute by detonating a bunch of nuclear bombs in the earth's core or anything. People did laugh quite often.. which is actually a *good* thing, and it's betrer than Independence Day (over the top sentimentality. There's some, but not enough to raise your hackles) or Godzilla (too much Matthew Broderick, not enough Big Lizard). This one was juuuuuuust right.
Friend of mine said "at least they didn't show us some french guy in Paris: wearing a beret, baquette of bread under his arm, with a cigarette dangling from his frozen lips"
The company where i work is in the process of migrating from NT/2000 to XP, and they've had to pay all these costs as well. These aren't really "extra costs", they're just costs - you pay them whenever you migrate to/from any OS or distro. The difference (and i don't know how big a difference it is) lies in the license fees which you pay for, on top of everything else.
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I get that too - then I show 'em the logs that show the database processor is mostly idle as it waits for their application to either request more data or finish working on what it's got!
Here's one that'll make you howl: "sorting is a presentation-tier concern"
What exactly is the problem with SQL?
Wouldn't call it a problem, but there just seems to be something about it that drives all the Oo fanboys up the wall - maybe it's the fact that they can't make nice UML diagrams of a query or something.
There nothing wrong with SQL and RDBMS - they've been around for years and they'll be around for years to come. I have this argument each and every day at work with people who seem to think that the solution to (hypothetical) "database bottlenecks" is to bury everything in a quarter of a million lines of EJB code and invest a king's ransom in application server licenses to run it on. Don't get me wrong: i've seen some real horrorshow coding with SQL mixed into code, but a bad coder will produce bad code in any language. Until then, SQL works. What more can you say?
Is there a -1, Karmawhore moderation option? If not, it is a massive oversight and should be corrected immediately.
There are too many ways around this to see anyone take a fall.
Shallow, quickly posted comment made only to generate positive karma before any decent posts are made.
OR.....
generic slashdot comment, good for almost any story or circumstance. Never have to wrack your brain again!
You decide! Operators are standing by.
Next time people ask my phonenumber I'll tell them "phone@jawtheshark.com" or if they want my cell it'll be "gsm@jawtheshak.com". Now, I'll just have to wait until the telcos comply with that scheme ;-)
I predict your first calls on these will be from spammers.
Yeah, thank god we live in the west where you can leave your hardware lying around in public without a care in the world...
What's to stop people from mis-using the stops for illegal activity such as Denial of Service, Hacking, etc?
What stops people from engaging in these activities from any of the existing free WiFi access points? I don't think that the fact that these are at highway rest stops should make much of a difference (but cue Matrix Reloaded highway chase scene anyway)
Are you serious? Then what use would there be for lawyers?
During the next ice age we will hunt them for food.
Could you make sure they blow up those satellites after the end of Euro2004? It's just that all us cultured Europeans are glued to our sets watching football till then.
"He took away your VCR" won't go well on the campaign trail
lol - if you thought Americans got mad when you went for their guns, wait till you see what happens when you go for their TVs.
Why doesn't he find a new cause?
Campaign donations. I guess he gets paid just to bring this stuff up, irrespective of whether it passes or not. Just making the right noises to please his masters.
personally I'm annoyed that one particular anti-copy-protection technique used by CD manufacturers to prevent playing in CD-ROM drives also means they won't play in my stereo
Ironically, i find that you can always copy the disk anyways. So now we have copy-protected disks that won't play on your stereo (usually your car stereo) so you have to make a copy... that plays just fine.
Which would make it -1 Funny or -1 Troll or even -1 Overrated.
;)
Your comment was certainly not "Insightful" or "Interesting". If anything it was +1 Slashbotting.
Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. I was going to argue that maybe - just maybe, mind you - the moderation was for some other aspect of my comment than the last line, but then i realized the futility of arguing with such a master of wit and discourse as yourself.
Sir, you have vanquished me - i freely admit myself beaten and withdraw from the field.
It's not a bug in firebird/firefox - it's something the evil corporate security apparatus did on the network side. I tried 0.8... no joy. Haven't tried since.
I tried. I had it installed from a zip file before (0.7), and then one day it just stopped working: couldn't connect any more. Wget also stopped working the same day, so i'm guessing they did something on the firewall (yes, i tried changing the user agent... no joy).
This isn't "my" work machine, it's a seperate low power cast off on an internet access LAN in the corner of the room. Just grit my teeth and bear it.
I don't know what this has to do w/the discussion
Your comment was that Firefox has a number of features which aren't "necessary". My point was that they might not be necessary but rather useful/pleasant. Strictly speaking, the ability to display images isn't really necessary in a browser either.
No, I didn't compare those two. I just said that popup blocking isn't necessary for browsing.
You said that "Pop-up control is a bit of a hassle but Google's toolbar stopped that stuff for me...", so obviousely you felt that it improved your browsing experience to install it. As for "I understand that a browser would be better with it but it certainly not necessary", see my point above.
IE renders all sites I have visited correctly. Two of the most common sites I have visited with Firefox did not.
I was responding to your original claim of "...100% perfect rendering on ALL pages...". That's not the same as "perfect rendering on all the pages I visit".
The point is not moot.
Actually, i was conceding the point of the discussion to you, since IE's market share means you won't find any (common) sites that don't render well in it. This isn't because of IE's superior rendering capabilities, but because page authors code around any deficiencies it may have. So the point is moot, ie irrelevant (from the pov of a user)
Again, not what I was talking about. You're drawing at straws. At least directly refute what I am saying. Do not bring up other things into the discussion.
Well... i thought you were claiming that IE had the "BEST configuration out of the box". I was merely pointing out that IE requires some configuration in order to close common security holes such as activeX scripting exploits, etc.
And yet you were modded insightful. Fucking amazing.
The little emoticon at the end of my sentence ";)" (commonly referred to as "wink" or "winking") is often used to indicate that a given statement is "just kidding".
I guess we differ on our opinions of what is necessary.
;)
Let me put this in context: ten years ago cell phones weren't "necessary". They aren't really "necessary" today either, but i'm not going back to my land-line only existence.
I think easy configuration, BEST configuration out of the box, and 100% perfect rendering on ALL pages being most important.
1) You had to install the Google toolbar to get pop up blocking and toolbar access to Google, two features that Firefox has "out of the box" (the google toolbar also includes form management, btw). You're comparing IE + Google toolbar with Firefox, which isn't a fair comparison (Firefox has a great number of extensions, shall we start comparing those?)
2) IE doesn't have "100% perfect rendering on ALL pages" - there even used to be pages that would cause IE to crash. Having said that, more web designers will make the effort to code around IE's problems (that's what 95%-plus market share does for you), so i guess the point is moot...
3) In terms of "BEST configuration out of the box", i trust that you have at least changed your browser's default security settings? Or are you surfing from behind a firewall? I trust that you have at least applied the security patches for IE (do you Windows Update?)
All of this is quickly heading for some stupid religious "my browser can beat up your browser" flamewar, so let's just leave it at this: whether or not you use Firefox, just the fact that it's out there testing new ideas in browsing ergonomy is good for all of us (yes yes, you included) because at least the discussion is moving forwards.
Oh, and btw: my browser CAN beat up your browser
I recently had to switch *back* to IE after an enjoyable hiatus on Firefox, and that's when i noticed just how over the hill IE is: ... etc etc.
- no tabbed browsing
- no native pop up control
- no caret browsing
- no form management
- no "block images from..." feature
I know that some (many) of these things are available as extras (for example with the google toolbar) but i was migrating back because i could no longer install software on my work internet machine(including the toolbar). It was like moving back to your childhood neighborhood and suddenly realizing how rose tinted your memories really are: all of a sudden i've got umpteen windows open (some pop ups, some i had to open to not lose the thread of what i was reading), everything's covered in ads, and i have to use the mouse to do everything. Basically: surfing sucks.
Mozilla/Firefox isn't a better browser because it's open source or non-Microsoft, it's a better browser because it enhances the quality of your surfing experience.
Are there any restrictions on what kind of radios you can use on the grounds on an airport?
Ummmm..... probably? I don't think you'd want the bagel guy clearing 747's for takeoff.
Obligatory Seinfeld reference:
"Do you think that the people at the airport that run the stores have any idea
what the prices are every place else in the world? Or do you think they just
feel they have their own little country out there and they can charge anything
they want? You're hungry? Tuna sandwich is nine dollars. You don't like it;
go back to your own country. I think the whole airport airline complex is a
huge scam just to sell the tuna sandwiches. I think that profit is what's
supporting the whole air travel industry. I mean think about it; the terminals,
the airplanes, it's all just a distraction so that you don't notice the beating
that you're taking on the tuna."
You neglected to post that the median income for a four person household (in 2001) was about $48,000.
I'm not trying to claim that these people are poor, i'm just countering the (widely held?) view that professional musicians are all rich.
"Now look at them yo-yo's that's the way you do it
You play the guitar on the MTV
That ain't workin' that's the way you do it
Money for nothin' and chicks for free"
Your point was that entertainers "...are the most affluent and in some quarters, most respected of anyone in the world today" - and that's just not true. You seem to think that the people you see on MTV or the cover of Rolling Stone are somehow representative of the world of professional musicians or entertainers - they aren't. As for your claim that entertainers "...provide nothing of any real value" - well, that's a bit harsh. Even without getting into the whle discussion on the subjective nature of value, i think a world without music would be a grey and drab place.
Adjust your aim: there's a whole bunch of fat cat business executives living large off of the work of these entertainers you so easily disparage.
That's absolutely true. It's not so long ago that entertainers, jesters, bards, actors, etc. were pretty low down on the social scale. Now however, entertainers (including those involved in sports), are the most affluent and in some quarters, most respected of anyone in the world today.
Median annual earnings of salaried musicians and singers were $36,290 in 2002. The middle 50 percent earned between $18,660 and $59,970. The lowest 10 percent earned less than $13,040, and the highest 10 percent earned more than $96,250. Median annual earnings were $43,060 in performing arts companies and $18,160 in religious organizations.
Source: Occupational Outlook Handbook, U.S. Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics
I just saw it last night, and i had lots of fun. The visual effects are cool and the planet does get frozen: nobody saves it at the last minute by detonating a bunch of nuclear bombs in the earth's core or anything. People did laugh quite often.. which is actually a *good* thing, and it's betrer than Independence Day (over the top sentimentality. There's some, but not enough to raise your hackles) or Godzilla (too much Matthew Broderick, not enough Big Lizard). This one was juuuuuuust right.
Friend of mine said "at least they didn't show us some french guy in Paris: wearing a beret, baquette of bread under his arm, with a cigarette dangling from his frozen lips"
The company where i work is in the process of migrating from NT/2000 to XP, and they've had to pay all these costs as well. These aren't really "extra costs", they're just costs - you pay them whenever you migrate to/from any OS or distro. The difference (and i don't know how big a difference it is) lies in the license fees which you pay for, on top of everything else.