And if you do, even MS use the x86 protection mechanism and run most code in ring 3. Since the account Apache runs in would not have the priviledge to install & run arbitrary ring 0 code (as would be the case with IIS [running as Local System] installing device drivers) there are limits on what can be done.
Maybe there's an argument for an OS which has two modes which are mutually exclusive. You can use the machine (run applications etc.) or you can administer the machine (install drivers etc.). You cannot do both from the same account. Many Windows users run their day to day work under accounts with admin priviledges - or worse still, domain admin privildges. Why? Do people really need to switch from document writing to driver installation so quickly that they need be done without an additional login? Does anyone really need god-like priviledges from a regular account?
"Concerned parents" groups campaigning (and winnning) about the content of TV, video games, music lyrics and the bad old Internet. The reason? All these things are being used as "virtual parents". You can put the kid down in front of the TV for hours instead of bothering to do something educational and entertaining yourself. Whether it's because parents these days are too busy or too lazy, I don't know.
I am a parent myself but I consider it my responsibility to look out for my child. I'd rather not have to explain why the goatse man's bottom looks like that, so unsupervised net access is a no no. (Actually, the little bastard's only 18 months and has just worked out how to turn the PC off and back on again - I'm getting him a job doing MS support.)
There's no technological solution that can completely work on web - we wont get those.ru people to comply. Parents should take responsibility.
A boring little story, but I think it illustrates a point. BTW I'm in the UK.
About 20 years ago, my mum got involved with a "Peace Group" - sort of local CND (she was a child of the 60s after all). After hearing some strange noises on the phone, they all got together in the local pub and decided to organise a demonstration at the local USAF base over the phone. On the day of the demo, nobody turned up (of course) except for about 200 police with riot gear (a couple of them drove past to check it out).
I think there's a couple of points here:
- If the authorities are snooping, then you can mess them about. Try leaving the house and actually talking to people.
- Who they decide to monitor can be given a pretty broad definition. I wouldn't say that a crowd of middle-aged ex hippies waving signs saying "Excuse me, but would you mind taking your missiles away" is a serious threat to (inter)national security. Someone else thought different.
Jerry's final thought: It's 29 years since the Watergate break in occured. Has everyone forgotten that the machinery of government can, and will be, abused.
Yeah - who was it who said:
"If you put a million monkeys in front of a million typewriters, eventually they will come up with the works of Shakespeare. Thanks to the Internet, we now know this is not true."
Seriously though, how many web pages are there? There is no way they could check everywhere for everything.
I was a director of a small UK software house at the time (started with two of us, employed about 8 when I left). We went through some hard times, but always paid the staff before anything else (I almost got evicted for non-payment of rent several times).
The guy who was actually in charge was an idiot though and things soon got to creeping up and biting us. One day a factoring company (do you have these in the states?) can take a dislike to you and the first thing you hear about it is a winding up petition and freezing all your bank accounts. To get round this we had to resort to some pretty dodgy (legally) measures - like having another company with a very similar name and using the bank account for that one - to be able to pay anyone (or even trade).
I bailed out in the end because I just couldn't stand the dishonesty - telling clients that "yes of course it's a legit copy of Netware - we just forgot to bring the manuals with us" and telling employees that "it'll all be OK - you'll get paid next week". I learned a lot in 2 years of working 120 hours a week - mostly about computers, but quite a lot about how not to run a company. At least one of the companies we'd registered went down within 3 months of me leaving. The idiot probably just went on trading and starting up new ones.
As a director (or whatever) it's OK to take risks (you have to take risks to succeed) but you shouldn't mess around with other people's lives. Your employees have rent to pay, kids to feed and lives to live.
There was a good article in New Scientist 25th August. Can't send a link because you have to be a subscriber to get into the archive.
The gist of it was that at the University of Maryland, they plan to simulate how the earth's magnetic field is generated by getting a sphere 3 metres across full of molten sodium and spinning it. They then hit is with a "starter field" which should set up eddy currents and lead to a self-sustaining dynao effect.
It sounds interesting, but I'm not sure I want to be anywhere near that much molten sodium.
... if we can store any personal data, how much pr0n can their servers hold? What - can't put that much in one account? Just open up another one - we can script that...
On second thoughts, if they're thinking of folks dumping their MS Turd docs in there, they must be thinking of a lot of space.
Yup - when the track was first out, it was picked up by a few dickhead racist groups in the UK. I wouldn't expect them to read Camus anyway (dig La Chute).
The book is superb but, even though I'm a big fan of The Cure (Disintegration rules!) I don't think they did a top job on those lyrics. I'd stick with Charlotte Sometimes... unless you'll be traumatised because you just broke up with a girl called Charlotte who let you have a go at her fish-mitten - sometimes. You could always sue the radio station.
BTW I've never heard a commercial radio station play anything (uncensored) by RATM anyway.
Compaq use pretty much this system on the DL8500 servers (8 Xeons in a 7u rack - at a price). It relies on convection to circulate whatever the fluid is.
Is anyone out there in/. land using Notes on Linux? To support 1000 users in 7 locations (one location is 4 offices with 24Gb of fiber between them so it might as well be one office), we must have about 70 NT boxes. How many of them do you think crash every day? We've just put a new ATM system in, so we could trash a lot of the replicas. It it helps, we're on 5.07.
Oh, and yes the UI for Notes does suck, but there's nothing to stop you writing your own. I haven't seen anything to beat it for groupware apps - we do all sorts of workflow things in it. And all our web stuff runs Domino - how many CERT advisories for that?
I'll be modded offtopic, but I do want to know.
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AFAIK the current five pillars of Islam (Faith, Prayer, Zakat, Fasting and Pilgramage) were originally six - the sixth being war. Depends upon how moderate a person you ask. The real nutters think that this is cool - in fact dying in battle, you go to heaven and get something like 70 virgins to have your way with (doesn't say whether they swallow).
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Erm, a small point, but if the prime suspects are Afgan, don't they consider the Internet to be "unislamic" see previous register article
Can't tell if anyone's linked this yet, but there are some interesting comments at PPrune on what level of training these nuts would have needed (sorry, frames site - no direct link).
The popular media seem to have made up their mind that it's evil technology again. Maybe some of the victims could sue M$ on this basis.
... how do you think Mr. Resposible Datacentre Manager is going feel about putting the same OS on his 24x7 mission-critical stuff as runs on Little Billy's games console? Do they really expect XP to be taken seriously at both extremes?
Does anyone know how Hailstorm fits in with the UK's Data Protection Act legislation? Does MS become the owner of the data? If so it's up to them to take "reasonable measures" to guarantee the security of the information. If they fsck up, then - IANADPL - they could be in deep shit. Similarly, the physical location is important. Sending personal data outside of the EU without permission is against the DPA - that could happen just in a server replication.
If you just boot it up, run the demos, and close it down, it will be fine. Try doing some work on it. I, personally, hate the Fisher-Price UI and as a developer, it doesn't give me anything that's not in Win2K. Media player? Fuck off. Most of these things are bought for business machines and as such XP gives no advantage over 2K at all - unless you're a RAM vendor.
PS: Rules for using MS OS's -
- The original release doesn't work
- Never use an even-numbered service pack (NT4 SPs 2,4 and 6 all trashed things in their own way)
- SP3 generally brings it up to the advertised level of functionality (might work as desktop)
- SP5 is normally the one that works (might work as server)
- Web server? Don't even think about it
At work I have to do some MS stuff and I have MSDN Universal. Basically, it's all the OS's, all the (business) apps, all the dev tools and all the patches. In other words, what you need to keep about 300 coffee cups off desks.
Having said that, <flamebait>VC++ (6.0) is actually a damn fine development environment. The optimising compiler is faster than anything bar Intel and the debugger is better than any other I've used.</flamebait> Just don't use any of the shitty libs they ship with it.
Aparently, the pr0n gets a bit slow just after pub closing time, but apart from that, it's sound.
Of course, if you live in a valley in Wales then it'll always be quicker to phone someone in Reading, get them to print out the pages and post them to you.
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Well, if people didn't think they were inept before, they sure do now.
You have to get in there first.
And if you do, even MS use the x86 protection mechanism and run most code in ring 3. Since the account Apache runs in would not have the priviledge to install & run arbitrary ring 0 code (as would be the case with IIS [running as Local System] installing device drivers) there are limits on what can be done.
Maybe there's an argument for an OS which has two modes which are mutually exclusive. You can use the machine (run applications etc.) or you can administer the machine (install drivers etc.). You cannot do both from the same account. Many Windows users run their day to day work under accounts with admin priviledges - or worse still, domain admin privildges. Why? Do people really need to switch from document writing to driver installation so quickly that they need be done without an additional login? Does anyone really need god-like priviledges from a regular account?
Of course, I may be talking rubbish.
"Concerned parents" groups campaigning (and winnning) about the content of TV, video games, music lyrics and the bad old Internet. The reason? All these things are being used as "virtual parents". You can put the kid down in front of the TV for hours instead of bothering to do something educational and entertaining yourself. Whether it's because parents these days are too busy or too lazy, I don't know.
.ru people to comply. Parents should take responsibility.
I am a parent myself but I consider it my responsibility to look out for my child. I'd rather not have to explain why the goatse man's bottom looks like that, so unsupervised net access is a no no. (Actually, the little bastard's only 18 months and has just worked out how to turn the PC off and back on again - I'm getting him a job doing MS support.)
There's no technological solution that can completely work on web - we wont get those
PS I am not claiming to be perfect either.
A boring little story, but I think it illustrates a point. BTW I'm in the UK.
About 20 years ago, my mum got involved with a "Peace Group" - sort of local CND (she was a child of the 60s after all). After hearing some strange noises on the phone, they all got together in the local pub and decided to organise a demonstration at the local USAF base over the phone. On the day of the demo, nobody turned up (of course) except for about 200 police with riot gear (a couple of them drove past to check it out).
I think there's a couple of points here:
- If the authorities are snooping, then you can mess them about. Try leaving the house and actually talking to people.
- Who they decide to monitor can be given a pretty broad definition. I wouldn't say that a crowd of middle-aged ex hippies waving signs saying "Excuse me, but would you mind taking your missiles away" is a serious threat to (inter)national security. Someone else thought different.
Jerry's final thought: It's 29 years since the Watergate break in occured. Has everyone forgotten that the machinery of government can, and will be, abused.
Dunno if I'm late or stupid posting this (corporate social responsibility my arse/ass) but it caused a hell of a stink in the UK at the time.
Yes UK universities do need the money, but at what price? I'm having nothing to do with it - I smoke B&H.
Yeah - who was it who said:
"If you put a million monkeys in front of a million typewriters, eventually they will come up with the works of Shakespeare. Thanks to the Internet, we now know this is not true."
Seriously though, how many web pages are there? There is no way they could check everywhere for everything.
If nobody else has already linked this article. It's scarey that info gets leaked to big corps who could use it for anything.
I was a director of a small UK software house at the time (started with two of us, employed about 8 when I left). We went through some hard times, but always paid the staff before anything else (I almost got evicted for non-payment of rent several times).
The guy who was actually in charge was an idiot though and things soon got to creeping up and biting us. One day a factoring company (do you have these in the states?) can take a dislike to you and the first thing you hear about it is a winding up petition and freezing all your bank accounts. To get round this we had to resort to some pretty dodgy (legally) measures - like having another company with a very similar name and using the bank account for that one - to be able to pay anyone (or even trade).
I bailed out in the end because I just couldn't stand the dishonesty - telling clients that "yes of course it's a legit copy of Netware - we just forgot to bring the manuals with us" and telling employees that "it'll all be OK - you'll get paid next week". I learned a lot in 2 years of working 120 hours a week - mostly about computers, but quite a lot about how not to run a company. At least one of the companies we'd registered went down within 3 months of me leaving. The idiot probably just went on trading and starting up new ones.
As a director (or whatever) it's OK to take risks (you have to take risks to succeed) but you shouldn't mess around with other people's lives. Your employees have rent to pay, kids to feed and lives to live.
There was a good article in New Scientist 25th August. Can't send a link because you have to be a subscriber to get into the archive.
The gist of it was that at the University of Maryland, they plan to simulate how the earth's magnetic field is generated by getting a sphere 3 metres across full of molten sodium and spinning it. They then hit is with a "starter field" which should set up eddy currents and lead to a self-sustaining dynao effect.
It sounds interesting, but I'm not sure I want to be anywhere near that much molten sodium.
... if we can store any personal data, how much pr0n can their servers hold? What - can't put that much in one account? Just open up another one - we can script that...
On second thoughts, if they're thinking of folks dumping their MS Turd docs in there, they must be thinking of a lot of space.
Yup - when the track was first out, it was picked up by a few dickhead racist groups in the UK. I wouldn't expect them to read Camus anyway (dig La Chute).
... unless you'll be traumatised because you just broke up with a girl called Charlotte who let you have a go at her fish-mitten - sometimes. You could always sue the radio station.
The book is superb but, even though I'm a big fan of The Cure (Disintegration rules!) I don't think they did a top job on those lyrics. I'd stick with Charlotte Sometimes
BTW I've never heard a commercial radio station play anything (uncensored) by RATM anyway.
Compaq use pretty much this system on the DL8500 servers (8 Xeons in a 7u rack - at a price). It relies on convection to circulate whatever the fluid is.
"The fact that they're passing legislation to add mandatory backdoors is a pretty big clue that they probably can't break some crypto already."
Maybe that's just what they want people to think.Is anyone out there in /. land using Notes on Linux? To support 1000 users in 7 locations (one location is 4 offices with 24Gb of fiber between them so it might as well be one office), we must have about 70 NT boxes. How many of them do you think crash every day? We've just put a new ATM system in, so we could trash a lot of the replicas. It it helps, we're on 5.07.
Oh, and yes the UI for Notes does suck, but there's nothing to stop you writing your own. I haven't seen anything to beat it for groupware apps - we do all sorts of workflow things in it. And all our web stuff runs Domino - how many CERT advisories for that?
I'll be modded offtopic, but I do want to know.
AFAIK the current five pillars of Islam (Faith, Prayer, Zakat, Fasting and Pilgramage) were originally six - the sixth being war. Depends upon how moderate a person you ask. The real nutters think that this is cool - in fact dying in battle, you go to heaven and get something like 70 virgins to have your way with (doesn't say whether they swallow).
Erm, a small point, but if the prime suspects are Afgan, don't they consider the Internet to be "unislamic" see previous register article
Can't tell if anyone's linked this yet, but there are some interesting comments at PPrune on what level of training these nuts would have needed (sorry, frames site - no direct link).
The popular media seem to have made up their mind that it's evil technology again. Maybe some of the victims could sue M$ on this basis.
... how do you think Mr. Resposible Datacentre Manager is going feel about putting the same OS on his 24x7 mission-critical stuff as runs on Little Billy's games console? Do they really expect XP to be taken seriously at both extremes?
But then I have the bible in eBook format.
Does anyone know how Hailstorm fits in with the UK's Data Protection Act legislation? Does MS become the owner of the data? If so it's up to them to take "reasonable measures" to guarantee the security of the information. If they fsck up, then - IANADPL - they could be in deep shit. Similarly, the physical location is important. Sending personal data outside of the EU without permission is against the DPA - that could happen just in a server replication.
Any DPA experts out there?
Is there similar legislation stateside?
If you just boot it up, run the demos, and close it down, it will be fine. Try doing some work on it. I, personally, hate the Fisher-Price UI and as a developer, it doesn't give me anything that's not in Win2K. Media player? Fuck off. Most of these things are bought for business machines and as such XP gives no advantage over 2K at all - unless you're a RAM vendor.
PS: Rules for using MS OS's -
- The original release doesn't work
- Never use an even-numbered service pack (NT4 SPs 2,4 and 6 all trashed things in their own way)
- SP3 generally brings it up to the advertised level of functionality (might work as desktop)
- SP5 is normally the one that works (might work as server)
- Web server? Don't even think about it
At work I have to do some MS stuff and I have MSDN Universal. Basically, it's all the OS's, all the (business) apps, all the dev tools and all the patches. In other words, what you need to keep about 300 coffee cups off desks.
Having said that, <flamebait>VC++ (6.0) is actually a damn fine development environment. The optimising compiler is faster than anything bar Intel and the debugger is better than any other I've used.</flamebait> Just don't use any of the shitty libs they ship with it.
Science accepts heretics a lot better than religion. This is good.
Otherwise we would still have alchemy, phlogiston, Newtonian gravity, creationism and COBOL (oh - sorry about the last two).
His theories may have been largely bollocks, but at least it makes people think.
If you can afford to live there, surely you can afford your own T1?
Signed - impoverished of Epsom.
Both ways.
Aparently, the pr0n gets a bit slow just after pub closing time, but apart from that, it's sound.
Of course, if you live in a valley in Wales then it'll always be quicker to phone someone in Reading, get them to print out the pages and post them to you.