I think the question of morality comes in on how the different countries governments, and people react. Is India opening all of it's markets to US goods? Have they dropped tarifs on US goods and services? If they are sucking out our jobs, but not putting anything back, that is immoral.
The other moral question is, what are US businesses (and the government) doing to help people in the short term? If we assume that the economy will recover, and the jobs will recover.... We still need to help people until that happens.
Is it immoral for China works to do all our cheap labor, but to artifically close the country to US products (by manipulating the monetary value)?
It's fine to have a global economy, but everyone must agree to participate at the same level, the same playing field. The US job market doesn't need to be the sacrefic to building a job market in other countries.
Heh. I have Office XP. I get an error when I load an Office 2000 xcel file. I guess Office XP is junk and I should go use Office... ummm.. help me here..
So use a MySQL type license... Free to other open source developers, big (actually small) bucks to for-profit users. And make big bucks selling support and consulting.
Don't forget, if you plan to just write software, and sell it... You will be providing support out of your own pocket, or sell support contracts (see #x on the list). I have never seen something that was write once, sit back and watch the profits roll in, retire to Mexico.
Again, assuming free as in gratis vs free as in open. Billy hates open. And the only reason he does gratis is to kill off something else, or control a market. I would have to say the way that MS is going after linux & opensource, that yes... he is fanatical about it. A zealot even.
If we never enforce anything because someone else may have done it and gotten away with it, then slowly laws will stop being enforced...
Since W was doing hard drugs in his youth, and wasn't prosecuted, then we should just abandon enforcement of drug laws...
If the Dems were doing this before, why did the Reps persue criminal investigations? They must remember watergate, and want revenge....
If someone broke into someone else's system, that they do not have direct authorization for, then (according to current feelings) it is terrorism, and the people involved should be hunted down and tried as such. Just think of all the poor kids in prison for hacking (that didn't do anything destructive....)
The more important point to consider.. Blue collar jobs could be shed because we could retry the people up in the food chain. Give them better education, and "easier" working conditions. But if we export our tech industry (or any industry) we have to ask what we are going to replace the jobs with? Do you want fries with that?
So what you are saying is that you want everything that makes life enjoyable to die... and for us to only concentrate on things that advance science or make money....
Look around the world. In maybe civilized countries people are considered young adults until 22-24... We have plenty of time to work.....
You're right. The richest country in the world should abandon everything else... We'll have street people to make 3rd world country jealous, infant mortality will go up, people will die younger, the forests will disappear, pittsburg during it's worst times will look like clean air...
This whole argument shouldn't be about outsourcing of jobs, but what the great american society is doing about it. If we continue to try to up-source american workers, while letting lessor skilled positions go off-shore, great. But if we always have to find ways to push up. Right now, there is great apothey in trying to push up for outplaced computer workers. Maybe when Silican Valley becomes a ghost town like Detroit and the steel towns will we see it as a problem.
So you sat quietly on the sidelines while AOL was getting beat up for locking 3rd party out? I bet you were in there with the M$ zealots claiming that AOL was evil, and that they should open up their network so Lord Bill could take it over....
Just because someone will pick up on this and think "Yeah, that makes sense.... Linux is bloated, let's just stay with Win XP"
You don't use all of the code that is in the Linux codebase. If nothing else there are lots of drivers you'll never user (and therefore never load because they are modules (which only get loaded when used)), there are different hardware ports in there, SMP may/may not be used by you, etc, etc.
It may be 5 million lines, but you could still have a really small compiled kernel from all of that....
But, speaking of performance... Maybe we need a movement for all of the major Open Source projects to dedicate a major/minor release JUST to do optimization and performance improvements.
You've clearly made my point. Liberal depends on how you spin it.
You also make the assumption that the increased government would be run by conservatives vs people who care about the people they work for (vs the businesses that they work for). Conservatives (and most of the main stream candiates) want Power, which is why the run for office. We really need to get in the people who want to serve.
Sounds like typical Republican/Conservative name calling. You can say the same thing two ways.... 1) Liberals what move government control, 2) Liberals believe that a progressive (active) government can make a better life for the general population... Generally the Liberal tag these days is applied in the number 1 way with a more negative connotation, vs a more positive way of thinking.
Just like saying Conservatives what to force religion in to everyone's lives and to screw the individual in favor of the business elite fatcats
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I think the question of morality comes in on how the different countries governments, and people react. Is India opening all of it's markets to US goods? Have they dropped tarifs on US goods and services? If they are sucking out our jobs, but not putting anything back, that is immoral.
The other moral question is, what are US businesses (and the government) doing to help people in the short term? If we assume that the economy will recover, and the jobs will recover.... We still need to help people until that happens.
Is it immoral for China works to do all our cheap labor, but to artifically close the country to US products (by manipulating the monetary value)?
It's fine to have a global economy, but everyone must agree to participate at the same level, the same playing field. The US job market doesn't need to be the sacrefic to building a job market in other countries.
I know I'm not supposed to say this... But, dude... you are a moron.
Heh. I have Office XP. I get an error when I load an Office 2000 xcel file. I guess Office XP is junk and I should go use Office... ummm.. help me here..
Not us it by your employer... You are selling it, to joe customer. Joe customer is expecting support...
So use a MySQL type license... Free to other open source developers, big (actually small) bucks to for-profit users. And make big bucks selling support and consulting.
Don't forget, if you plan to just write software, and sell it... You will be providing support out of your own pocket, or sell support contracts (see #x on the list). I have never seen something that was write once, sit back and watch the profits roll in, retire to Mexico.
Again, assuming free as in gratis vs free as in open. Billy hates open. And the only reason he does gratis is to kill off something else, or control a market. I would have to say the way that MS is going after linux & opensource, that yes... he is fanatical about it. A zealot even.
Cheap does not mean ugly moron. Even some of the most expensive "American" cars out right now are ugly as dog poop.
If we never enforce anything because someone else may have done it and gotten away with it, then slowly laws will stop being enforced...
Since W was doing hard drugs in his youth, and wasn't prosecuted, then we should just abandon enforcement of drug laws...
If the Dems were doing this before, why did the Reps persue criminal investigations? They must remember watergate, and want revenge....
If someone broke into someone else's system, that they do not have direct authorization for, then (according to current feelings) it is terrorism, and the people involved should be hunted down and tried as such. Just think of all the poor kids in prison for hacking (that didn't do anything destructive....)
The Boston Herald? The unabashed republician tabloid?
Couldn't you just put everthing on a CD and mail that to yourself?
The more important point to consider.. Blue collar jobs could be shed because we could retry the people up in the food chain. Give them better education, and "easier" working conditions. But if we export our tech industry (or any industry) we have to ask what we are going to replace the jobs with? Do you want fries with that?
So what you are saying is that you want everything that makes life enjoyable to die... and for us to only concentrate on things that advance science or make money....
Look around the world. In maybe civilized countries people are considered young adults until 22-24... We have plenty of time to work.....
I think he was summarizing dumbass...
You're right. The richest country in the world should abandon everything else... We'll have street people to make 3rd world country jealous, infant mortality will go up, people will die younger, the forests will disappear, pittsburg during it's worst times will look like clean air...
Um, I think you parented the wrong article.
Gee, the people in he UK sure do seem to be obsessed with pedophiles and adults have sex with children.... hmmm...
I always like to remember that the news has become a source of entertainment... So they run the stories that people want to see.
Sure, right after I get this .NET thing running on my HP-UX machine
This whole argument shouldn't be about outsourcing of jobs, but what the great american society is doing about it. If we continue to try to up-source american workers, while letting lessor skilled positions go off-shore, great. But if we always have to find ways to push up. Right now, there is great apothey in trying to push up for outplaced computer workers. Maybe when Silican Valley becomes a ghost town like Detroit and the steel towns will we see it as a problem.
Do any of you guys know about foreigners working in India? I dont think so.
That was the point of the article. He wanted to move to india, but they don't hire foreigners.
So you sat quietly on the sidelines while AOL was getting beat up for locking 3rd party out? I bet you were in there with the M$ zealots claiming that AOL was evil, and that they should open up their network so Lord Bill could take it over....
My favorite quote is "Hundreds of customers like and use SCO's Unix products." Note.... Hundreds
Just because someone will pick up on this and think "Yeah, that makes sense.... Linux is bloated, let's just stay with Win XP"
You don't use all of the code that is in the Linux codebase. If nothing else there are lots of drivers you'll never user (and therefore never load because they are modules (which only get loaded when used)), there are different hardware ports in there, SMP may/may not be used by you, etc, etc.
It may be 5 million lines, but you could still have a really small compiled kernel from all of that....
But, speaking of performance... Maybe we need a movement for all of the major Open Source projects to dedicate a major/minor release JUST to do optimization and performance improvements.
You've clearly made my point. Liberal depends on how you spin it.
You also make the assumption that the increased government would be run by conservatives vs people who care about the people they work for (vs the businesses that they work for). Conservatives (and most of the main stream candiates) want Power, which is why the run for office. We really need to get in the people who want to serve.
So he was against Vietnam since he did everything in his power to stay out of it.....
Sounds like typical Republican/Conservative name calling. You can say the same thing two ways.... 1) Liberals what move government control, 2) Liberals believe that a progressive (active) government can make a better life for the general population... Generally the Liberal tag these days is applied in the number 1 way with a more negative connotation, vs a more positive way of thinking.
Just like saying Conservatives what to force religion in to everyone's lives and to screw the individual in favor of the business elite fatcats