When the Klingons gave weapons to one faction in a pre-industrial society, Kirk went ahead and gave weapons to the other faction in an effort to restore equality.
Think of open source as having your own built-in Kirk... or RMS with a phaser. Sure they're going to use it for military purposes, but then so can the other guy.
It's a proprietary format no doubt. Rhapsody does the same thing. The music is all jumbled up in one great big encrypto-file and you need a proprietary player to listen to it.
If the selection were just a little bit better, I would be happy with paying $9.95 for music this way. The sound quality is excellent, and the convenience is worth it... but of course I'm an old geezer who sits in front of his box all day. If you listen to newer stuff or are on the go then buying/pirating is probably you're best option.
Wow! Was that an apology? It takes a really big man to admit he's wrong.
Sorry I forgot to take the time to literally take you by the scruff of your neck and stick your nose in the heaping pile of dancing Israeli stories. God forbid you should actually read any of the links provided, or that you should inconvenience yourself by having to manually enter text into a Google form.
Here is a partial compilation of just some of the many stories written about these Israelis. This is the link contained in this excellent piece by antiwar.com on the Israeli-9/11 connection. If you are genuinely interested in learning just how mistaken you were you might consider doing some research on your own.
Taken together, the fact that only one Israeli died in the WTC along with the fact that an Israeli company in the vicinity of the WTC received advance warning of the attack is damning evidence that the Israeli government was at least aware of the attack beforehand.
Not Jews all over the world. Not Jews in Israel. The Israeli Government. There's a big difference. I routinely rant and rave about my government here in America, that doesn't make me anti-American though, quite the contrary.
If there was as much evidence implicating the Taliban as there is the Israelis, I would have supported the carpet-bombing of Afghanistan. It's that damning.
Is the troll going to come back and admit that he was wrong, that he wrongly accused me and others here of being anti-semitic?
Excerpt from the September 22, 2001 edition of The New York Times:
A NATION CHALLENGED: THE TALLY; Officials Say Number of Those Still Missing May Be Overstated
By ERIC LIPTON (NYT) 1217 words
It has become clear, though, that the question of foreign citizens has been the most problematic in efforts to keep the city's count accurate. Over the last several days, the city's list of the missing became inflated by what officials said were missing persons reports from consulates and embassies for countries including India and Israel.
But interviews with many consulate officials yesterday suggested that the lists of people they were collecting varied widely in their usefulness. For example, the city had somehow received reports of many Israelis feared missing at the site, and President Bush in his address to the country on Thursday night mentioned that about 130 Israelis had died in the attacks.
But today, Alon Pinkas, Israel's consul general here, said that lists of the missing included reports from people who had called in because, for instance, relatives in New York had not returned their phone calls from Israel. There were, in fact, only three Israelis who had been confirmed as dead: two on the planes and another who had been visiting the towers on business and who was identified and buried.
As for The Washington Post story about Odigo, that paper has since taken it down. Here however is the story as reported by those anti-Semites at Haaretz. And here is a Google search that lists all the hundreds if not thousands of web sites that have copied the Post story for posterity, perhaps this link is the best.
I am an anti-semite because I point out the truth? You can easily discover this for yourself by doing a Google search. I am only reporting what the AP, Reuters, The New York Times and The Washington Post have reported. Are they anti-Semites too? Oh my!
Out of your last 24 posts 6 were revied, and half of them are labled as flaim bait or trolls. The only time any ever responds to your posts is when your bashing Jews.
What the fuck does revied mean? And where do I bash Jews? You mean Israelis? Israelis are committing atrocities in Palestine, and deserve our condemnation when warranted.
Over 3,000 Jews died in 9/11.
You see, statements like this may end up causing me to sympathize with the Holocaust revisionists. Is this really how the figure of 6,000,000 dead was reached? By gross exaggeration?
Grow up, or stop wasteing our air.
I'm sorry, but certain facts that have been stated here were being dismissed as anti-semitic. This is simply not true. The Odigo story, the one Israeli casualty at the WTC, the cheering Israelis, these are all stories sourced from the mainstream media. Indeed, two of the most critical stories come from The New York Times and The Washington Post.
Are you calling them anti-semitic too? Why not?
If there is anyone who has a problem with hate, quite clearly, it is you.
All of these allegations were made elsewhere, and are entirely reputable.
The story about the Israeli company Odigo receiving an instant message warning of the attack hours in advance comes from The Washington Post.
The story about there being only one Israeli casualty in the WTC comes from The New York Times. And that casualty was a man who was just visiting, i.e., he was supposed to be there.
The story about the Israelis celebrating the fall of the towers was an AP and Reuters story and was reported everywhere.
I guess you're going to tell us now that the AP, Reuters, The New York Times and The Washington Post are all anti-Semites now, is that right?
Fucking hilarious! I wonder if you realize that it is people like *you* who are Israel's worst enemy.
The story about the Israeli company Odigo receiving an instant message warning of the attack hours in advance comes from The Washington Post.
The story about there being only one Israeli casualty in the WTC comes from The New York Times. And that casualty was a man who was just visiting, i.e., he was supposed to be there.
The story about the Israelis celebrating the fall of the towers was an AP and Reuters story and was reported everywhere.
Nice try though. Lies have worked so well for Israelis for all these many years, I might have resorted to them myself.
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I'm not trying to paint Hussein as a good guy here. The way I see it, most world leaders are despicable thugs... not all, but most.
That said, the sanctions are what is doing the harm. Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright outright confirms it in that quote I give here earlier. Aid organizations around the world maintain that the sanctions are their principle barrior to delivering assistance to the Iraqi people. These are organization that can't easily defy the United States, as that would hobble efforts of theirs ongoing elsewhere.
Do not confuse the Iraqi people with Saddam Hussein. The situation is perhap more elegantly thought of in terms of a madman taking hostages. While waiting the madman out, do we give him pizza to give the hostages, or do we starve them?
These are innocent people who are suffering and dying here. It's not their fault Saddam is a lunatic. If anybody is to blame for his ascendency it is us, after all, he was our guy there in the '80s.
The U.S. was always free to not give aid to Iraqis, but using its muscle in the U.N. to deny everybody else the same opportunity was unconscionable.
You've basically acknowledged that everything I've said is true in this message!
That Apple might someday release an SDK has never been questioned. I do however expect it to be a subset of what is provided in Safari. This is clearly the case given the way they are handling WebCore *right now*. There is absolutely no reason for not releasing their improvements to KHTML right now other than using open source for their gain while limiting our gain from the same code.
Remember the context of this thread. Does Linux help Apple and vice versa? This is an excellent example of why the latter is most certainly not the case.
There are millions of people dying in countries that don't have sanctions because the food is not getting to them.
Ergo, according to your logic, it is OK to kill or to otherwise cause the death of another individual, or 10 or 20 or 1.5 million, is that right?
I can kill you, and I would be absolved and why? Because death happens? Because that is a fact of life? Is this really your argument here?
No. It doesn't work that way. I'm sorry, I realize that it is very hard these days to both possess a mind and a heart and have compassion for your fellow man while being an American and supporting all these atrocities we are committed around the world, but that is the fact of the matter, and no amount of moral masturbation or network news propaganda is going to change that.
You would do well to consider what the endgame is here. Do you really think the killing will stop when it's your turn to die?
The two OmniWeb links are irrelevant. They only talk about OmniWeb perhaps using WebCore in the future.
The Apple link isn't particularly new here. It points to the page containing the link I posted here earlier. From that web page we have this:
The current version of WebCore is based on the KHTML library from KDE 3.0.2. Changes that are specific to WebCore are marked with #if APPLE_CHANGES. Other changes to improve performance and web page compatibility are intended for integration into future versions of the KHTML library.
From Apple's own mouth, OK? Apple -- not some funky blog or neer-do-well competitor -- is saying exactly what I've been saying since this whole thread began.
Read Apple's words on this matter. Don't believe me, believe Apple.
Your argument is with Apple. It isn't with me, because all I've ever said here is what Apple itself says.
Do you get it yet?
So no, your original link was wrong. Your posting here in this thread was wrong. You are wrong. You're not just contradicting me, you're contradicting Apple./. could be an amazing experience if only we could get some of you people to actually read the content here.
I see here that your ignorance over this began some time ago. If what you stated here was correct, then I would have no issues at all with what Apple has done.
That is, if Apple released to the community an MSHTML-like component that could be reused by any Cocoa developer and that featured the very same HTML functionality found in Safari, then that would be truly giving back to the community.
This is not what they are doing however. What they've done is return only the original KHTML code wrapped up in a Cocoa API. The improvements they've made are not available to the Mac community, they get folded back into KHTML itself.
So now, a Mac developer who would wish to utilize the new and improved KHTML in Cocoa will have to merge the the SAFARI_MERGE branch back into WebCore. Something that is sure to be a great big hairy hassle.
Think about it. Why didn't Apple simply release the new and improved KHTML code in WebCore?
Because they want to control the browsing experience on Mac OS X. It is the antithesis of what open source is about. They are afraid of independent developers offering browsers that are superior to their own, or perhaps that merely feature functionality they would rather not see us have, so they hobble us by denying us the benefit of their work on KHTML.
They reap the advantages of open source, while denying us the same opportunity.
Stop being a Mac zealot for a single instant in your life and actually think it through. If it is as you say, why didn't they just release their KHTML improvement in WebCore?
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SCO lets loose with one of the silent-but-deadly variety, and everybody is still in the room?
Just statically link the library and be done with it!
It's a photograph, right? It's a photograph of a trash can that somebody else manufactured .
Can you patent pictures of stuff other people made?
Can't the guy who made the trash can being photographed sue for, um, prior art?
What about the guy who invented trash cans to begin with!? Where's his fat bucket of cash?
That said, it's a great metaphor for the USPTO.
that would be ironic, wouldn't it?
I mean, after all, an appeal is nothing more than a copy, isn't that right?
So long as my opponents are rendered as a red spot on the floor, I'm happy.
When the Klingons gave weapons to one faction in a pre-industrial society, Kirk went ahead and gave weapons to the other faction in an effort to restore equality.
Think of open source as having your own built-in Kirk... or RMS with a phaser. Sure they're going to use it for military purposes, but then so can the other guy.
And if there are bugs, so much the better.
It's a proprietary format no doubt. Rhapsody does the same thing. The music is all jumbled up in one great big encrypto-file and you need a proprietary player to listen to it.
If the selection were just a little bit better, I would be happy with paying $9.95 for music this way. The sound quality is excellent, and the convenience is worth it... but of course I'm an old geezer who sits in front of his box all day. If you listen to newer stuff or are on the go then buying/pirating is probably you're best option.
...in hell comes from.
It just won't be the same. No way.
That's what I do with information I don't want anybody else to see.
I'm arguing with an insane man.
Wow! Was that an apology? It takes a really big man to admit he's wrong.
Sorry I forgot to take the time to literally take you by the scruff of your neck and stick your nose in the heaping pile of dancing Israeli stories. God forbid you should actually read any of the links provided, or that you should inconvenience yourself by having to manually enter text into a Google form.
Here is a partial compilation of just some of the many stories written about these Israelis. This is the link contained in this excellent piece by antiwar.com on the Israeli-9/11 connection. If you are genuinely interested in learning just how mistaken you were you might consider doing some research on your own.
Apology accepted.
Ooops, I forgot the link to the Google search. Must be another conspiracy on the part of us anti-semites.
Here, for the galactically stupid, is a link to a Google search listing websites that have copied the original Washington Post story.
Taken together, the fact that only one Israeli died in the WTC along with the fact that an Israeli company in the vicinity of the WTC received advance warning of the attack is damning evidence that the Israeli government was at least aware of the attack beforehand.
Not Jews all over the world. Not Jews in Israel. The Israeli Government. There's a big difference. I routinely rant and rave about my government here in America, that doesn't make me anti-American though, quite the contrary.
If there was as much evidence implicating the Taliban as there is the Israelis, I would have supported the carpet-bombing of Afghanistan. It's that damning.
Is the troll going to come back and admit that he was wrong, that he wrongly accused me and others here of being anti-semitic?
I doubt it.
A NATION CHALLENGED: THE TALLY; Officials Say Number of Those Still Missing May Be Overstated
By ERIC LIPTON (NYT) 1217 words
As for The Washington Post story about Odigo, that paper has since taken it down. Here however is the story as reported by those anti-Semites at Haaretz. And here is a Google search that lists all the hundreds if not thousands of web sites that have copied the Post story for posterity, perhaps this link is the best.
Does that shut the troll up?
An anti-semetic hatred filled one at that.
I am an anti-semite because I point out the truth? You can easily discover this for yourself by doing a Google search. I am only reporting what the AP, Reuters, The New York Times and The Washington Post have reported. Are they anti-Semites too? Oh my!
Out of your last 24 posts 6 were revied, and half of them are labled as flaim bait or trolls. The only time any ever responds to your posts is when your bashing Jews.
What the fuck does revied mean? And where do I bash Jews? You mean Israelis? Israelis are committing atrocities in Palestine, and deserve our condemnation when warranted.
Over 3,000 Jews died in 9/11.
You see, statements like this may end up causing me to sympathize with the Holocaust revisionists. Is this really how the figure of 6,000,000 dead was reached? By gross exaggeration?
Grow up, or stop wasteing our air.
I'm sorry, but certain facts that have been stated here were being dismissed as anti-semitic. This is simply not true. The Odigo story, the one Israeli casualty at the WTC, the cheering Israelis, these are all stories sourced from the mainstream media. Indeed, two of the most critical stories come from The New York Times and The Washington Post.
Are you calling them anti-semitic too? Why not?
If there is anyone who has a problem with hate, quite clearly, it is you.
All of these allegations were made elsewhere, and are entirely reputable.
The story about the Israeli company Odigo receiving an instant message warning of the attack hours in advance comes from The Washington Post.
The story about there being only one Israeli casualty in the WTC comes from The New York Times. And that casualty was a man who was just visiting, i.e., he was supposed to be there.
The story about the Israelis celebrating the fall of the towers was an AP and Reuters story and was reported everywhere.
I guess you're going to tell us now that the AP, Reuters, The New York Times and The Washington Post are all anti-Semites now, is that right?
Fucking hilarious! I wonder if you realize that it is people like *you* who are Israel's worst enemy.
The story about the Israeli company Odigo receiving an instant message warning of the attack hours in advance comes from The Washington Post.
The story about there being only one Israeli casualty in the WTC comes from The New York Times. And that casualty was a man who was just visiting, i.e., he was supposed to be there.
The story about the Israelis celebrating the fall of the towers was an AP and Reuters story and was reported everywhere.
Nice try though. Lies have worked so well for Israelis for all these many years, I might have resorted to them myself.
No?
So what good is it?
I bet he feels silly over having left all those peroxide drums laying around when writing DOOM.
I'm not trying to paint Hussein as a good guy here. The way I see it, most world leaders are despicable thugs... not all, but most.
That said, the sanctions are what is doing the harm. Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright outright confirms it in that quote I give here earlier. Aid organizations around the world maintain that the sanctions are their principle barrior to delivering assistance to the Iraqi people. These are organization that can't easily defy the United States, as that would hobble efforts of theirs ongoing elsewhere.
Do not confuse the Iraqi people with Saddam Hussein. The situation is perhap more elegantly thought of in terms of a madman taking hostages. While waiting the madman out, do we give him pizza to give the hostages, or do we starve them?
These are innocent people who are suffering and dying here. It's not their fault Saddam is a lunatic. If anybody is to blame for his ascendency it is us, after all, he was our guy there in the '80s.
The U.S. was always free to not give aid to Iraqis, but using its muscle in the U.N. to deny everybody else the same opportunity was unconscionable.
And really, what did we hope to gain?
You're calling me dumb?
You've basically acknowledged that everything I've said is true in this message!
That Apple might someday release an SDK has never been questioned. I do however expect it to be a subset of what is provided in Safari. This is clearly the case given the way they are handling WebCore *right now*. There is absolutely no reason for not releasing their improvements to KHTML right now other than using open source for their gain while limiting our gain from the same code.
Remember the context of this thread. Does Linux help Apple and vice versa? This is an excellent example of why the latter is most certainly not the case.
There are millions of people dying in countries that don't have sanctions because the food is not getting to them.
Ergo, according to your logic, it is OK to kill or to otherwise cause the death of another individual, or 10 or 20 or 1.5 million, is that right?
I can kill you, and I would be absolved and why? Because death happens? Because that is a fact of life? Is this really your argument here?
No. It doesn't work that way. I'm sorry, I realize that it is very hard these days to both possess a mind and a heart and have compassion for your fellow man while being an American and supporting all these atrocities we are committed around the world, but that is the fact of the matter, and no amount of moral masturbation or network news propaganda is going to change that.
You would do well to consider what the endgame is here. Do you really think the killing will stop when it's your turn to die?
The Dave Hyatt blog link is bad.
/. could be an amazing experience if only we could get some of you people to actually read the content here.
The two OmniWeb links are irrelevant. They only talk about OmniWeb perhaps using WebCore in the future.
The Apple link isn't particularly new here. It points to the page containing the link I posted here earlier. From that web page we have this:
The current version of WebCore is based on the KHTML library from KDE 3.0.2. Changes that are specific to WebCore are marked with #if APPLE_CHANGES. Other changes to improve performance and web page compatibility are intended for integration into future versions of the KHTML library.
From Apple's own mouth, OK? Apple -- not some funky blog or neer-do-well competitor -- is saying exactly what I've been saying since this whole thread began.
Read Apple's words on this matter. Don't believe me, believe Apple.
Your argument is with Apple. It isn't with me, because all I've ever said here is what Apple itself says.
Do you get it yet?
So no, your original link was wrong. Your posting here in this thread was wrong. You are wrong. You're not just contradicting me, you're contradicting Apple.
Welcome to my foes list, asshole.
Ooooh, I might have to delete my account now.
How many Iraqi lives equal an Israeli in that pea-brained bigoted mind of yours? Do I hear 10? Do I hear 100?
You just don't get it.
I see here that your ignorance over this began some time ago. If what you stated here was correct, then I would have no issues at all with what Apple has done.
That is, if Apple released to the community an MSHTML-like component that could be reused by any Cocoa developer and that featured the very same HTML functionality found in Safari, then that would be truly giving back to the community.
This is not what they are doing however. What they've done is return only the original KHTML code wrapped up in a Cocoa API. The improvements they've made are not available to the Mac community, they get folded back into KHTML itself.
So now, a Mac developer who would wish to utilize the new and improved KHTML in Cocoa will have to merge the the SAFARI_MERGE branch back into WebCore. Something that is sure to be a great big hairy hassle.
Think about it. Why didn't Apple simply release the new and improved KHTML code in WebCore?
Because they want to control the browsing experience on Mac OS X. It is the antithesis of what open source is about. They are afraid of independent developers offering browsers that are superior to their own, or perhaps that merely feature functionality they would rather not see us have, so they hobble us by denying us the benefit of their work on KHTML.
They reap the advantages of open source, while denying us the same opportunity.
Stop being a Mac zealot for a single instant in your life and actually think it through. If it is as you say, why didn't they just release their KHTML improvement in WebCore?