Notice that it is a view of the shuttle from the perspective of someone who is looking at it from underneath.
Consider then that the right wing on the patch is actually the left wing of the shuttle.
Now, accounting for the fact that the most plausible theory at present is that a piece of foam insulation fell off the left booster, impacting the left wing of the shuttle and thereby loosening or damaging one or more of the critical ceramic tiles, please take note of the name of the astronaut on that wing.
If you die of an aneurism from this post, I humbly suggest I should get modded up +1, Benefitting Mankind.
For surely, this Earth can do without retards like yourself.
I always love the people who blame US sanctions for poverty, starvation and death.
I wish we could say the same for you.
I seem to remember reading somewhere that these countries existed thousands of years before the US
You mean when the population was a tiny fraction of what it is now? I expect that a large number of people died back then as well.
The difference is that today, such loss of life is easily preventable. It would be as if you were ill and I withheld modern medicine from you. What's the harm? If you had lived thousands of years ago, you would have died from the disease!
In Iraq's case after the war, all that was needed was to allow food and medicine into the country. The United States didn't need to provide the food or medicine, they just needed to ease up at the U.N. and let other countries deliver the aid.
It's not as if we hadn't done enough damage to Iraq already.
And it's not as if the sanctions ever stood a chance in hell of effecting regime change.
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it.
That interview took place in 1996. Like I said before, the estimate is upwards of one-and-a-half million dead... today it's probably more like two million.
That's bullshit. You don't know this. As far as I can tell, Iraq only went crazy *after* Israel attacked it without provocation.
And tell me please, why is it that Israel gets to not be a signatory to the Nonproliferation Treaty, and yet still possess a formidable nuclear arsenal? In fact, much of the material Israel used to make their nukes was stolen from the U.S.! And Israel stands in violation of more U.N. Resolutions than Iraq has now or probably ever will!
Your mind has been polluted with all the garbage the media is feeding you. Iraq was aggressed on first. That aggressor was Israel. Iraq had every bit as much right to build that reactor as any other country, including the U.S., and including Israel.
Try to learn a little bit about the things you talk about before boring us all with your ignorance, OK?
Don't listen to these fools going on about how the shuttle was too high to be shot down, or other such nonsense.
The shuttle could have easily been sabotaged. And last I checked, sabotage on this scale readily qualifies as an act of terrorism (then again, what doesn't these days?)
Israel is a very controversial topic in America these days, the propaganda we get in the media notwithstanding. Is it possible that one individual out of the hundreds if not thousands of people who had access to Columbia or her many systems and components had an opportunity to inflict a fatal blow to the craft? Of course it is.
Everybody is pointing at the piece of insulation that fell off during ascent as the cause, and I agree it looks likely, but that doesn't rule out terrorism. The booster could easily have been tampered with in some way designed to cause exactly the sort of failure we've witnessed.
I don't believe it was terrorism, and I will chafe at any such suggestion from the Bush Administration that it was in fact terrorism if and when they offer it, but it can hardly be ruled out, let alone dismissed or even mocked as we've seen so many here do.
Especially when 'god's vengeance' is so damn pathetic, when it comes down to it.
Damn straight. Estimates are as high as 1.5 million dead as the direct result of U.S.-led sanctions against Iraq after the first Gulf War. And these estimates are by now a year old, and the sanctions continue.
God's vengence would be more along the lines of wiping out one of our major cities I would think.
Although, the Israeli on the Shuttle was the one who participated in the unprovoked attack on the Iraqi nuclear facility in 1981, well before Iraq demonstrated extra-territorial ambitions in the region. Picking on the other six astronauts would be foul work, but Ramon probably deserved what he got.
And less than 2% out of the total number of launches. And?
And if there were to be an accidental exchange of nuclear weapons between Russia and the United States I suppose you would claim in response that we've enjoyed nearly 20,000 incident-free days, is that right?
Forget the Aliens. I literally soiled myself when I first heard the Predator. AvP was cutting edge for its time in the use of ambient sound, and they had one part after killing off all the aliens where you'd be alone with nothing but the hum of the surrounding machinery, when all of the sudden out of nowhere the Predator whispers in your ear, "anytime".
As for T2K, there are lessons in that game that game designers still don't understand.
If you want to use Mac OS X, use it. No one is stopping you.
Just don't expect the rest of us to stay quiet when some idiot goes on about Apple and Linux helping each other, because it simply isn't so.
And FYI, a lot of people use GCC on Windows, esp. people who do cross-platform work. Windows not providing it is irrelevant, because unlike Apple's interpretation of open source, we can get GCC anytime we want.
As for InterfaceBuilder and ProjectBuilder, yeah, they're included. So what? Without GCC it's so much cheese, ProjectBuilder especially.
I wasn't trying to compare Microsoft to Apple overall, only with regards to making code available to understand their API's.
And let's not be giving credit to Apple for their developer tools being free here, OK? The credit belongs to GNU. Let's at least get that straight. For that matter, when Apple was in the business of selling developer tools (MPW) it was more expensive than what Microsoft was offering at the time.
I mean, c'mon, there was a time when you had to pay Apple $300 for access to the basic API's alone! I never recall having to pay Microsoft anywhere near that.
And there is an equivalent to Visual Studio that's free... the very same GNU tools Apple is using.
But none of that is what I'm talking about. Apple has a long history of hiding/not sharing example code, and of hiding/not sharing API's. I've yet to encounter an instance where I have seen a Microsoft program do something with Windows the available documentation didn't address. Whereas with Apple we were -- at least as of a year ago -- still laboring under closed APIs for things like control panels and those dealies in the menu bar, just to name a couple of examples.
Apple's engineers have historically made a lot of loot by doing this. They keep the feature quiet, then they leave the company and release some new application that makes use of the as-yet-undocumented feature. The motivations are probably different today (after all we're talking about the only desktop OS available that still locks you into blue or gray as a theme color) but the effect is still the same.
It's their way of maintaining a technical edge, through obscurity. Even their documentation reflects this, it's the worst in the industry by far.
LOL, it's even reflected in their choosing to give us Cocoa API's in Objective-C and Java only! Why not join the rest of the human race and give us C++ API's? (and yes, it most certainly is possible, as I've had to explain here before.)
Fuck you retard. Everything I've said here is absolutely correct.
When KDE merges the changes from Apple is not the point. It was never the point.
Why didn't Apple just release the code? That's what is done with open source, yes? Just release the code.
And of course, the larger point is that Apple makes prolific use of open source while taking liberties with the licenses they are released under, while open source efforts that make even tangential reference to Apple's work merits legal action.
Yeah, you're wrong dude. The KHTML code you are looking at is the original code only, and the only modifications you have are those that make it work with Cocoa.
The changes Apple made to KHTML itself for rendering and whatnot are not available.
Read the fucking website:
The current version of WebCore is based on the KHTML library from KDE 3.0.2. Changes that are specific to WebCore are marked with #if APPLE_CHANGES.
Other changes to improve performance and web page compatibility are intended for integration into future versions of the KHTML library.
And then consider you got modded up for BEING WRONG. Not the first time either as I recall.
GNU Chess isn't a Darwin application. It's an OS X application, writting in Cocoa. So what's it doing in the Darwin section of the web site?
And why isn't it available via the search engine?
And why aren't instructions for how to obtain the source available with the application? Yes, they give you the standard GPL COPYING file within the application bundle, but that's it.
They are supposed to make the source code easy to find, are they not? I went round-and-round with Apple on this when OS X first came out, and I got no satisfaction whatsoever. This, despite the fact that I paid the big bucks to be an attendee at their first OS X WWDC.
That isn't the way it's supposed to be with GNU source.
Now, it doesn't really matter much, but back when OS X was still beta, having access to the source code for a finished application would have been enormously useful. Apple does this shit all the time, even back in bad old days of System 7. They don't share the technology. They don't give you access.
In this regard, they're actually worse than Microsoft.
Clearly it is you who do not know what you are talking about. The changes Apple has made are not open source. If they were, we would have access to them. We do not.
That is what open source means, having access. You can't say, "one day we'll make the source available, really, honest, we promise" and then still get to call yourself open source. It doesn't work that way.
The same query to Apple engineers two years back resulted in no reply whatsoever.
And you get no results if you try searching on gnu chess in the Apple Developer forum.
Excuse me for not knowing the secret password. It isn't supposed to be this way with GNU code. The instructions for how to obtain the source are supposed to be included with the binaries, are they not?
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Are you sure that the US government didn't simply give the material to Israel?
Yes.
And here I was worried that I didn't have any friends on /.
Here, let's see if we can make your head explode.
Look at the mission patch for STS-113.
Notice that it is a view of the shuttle from the perspective of someone who is looking at it from underneath.
Consider then that the right wing on the patch is actually the left wing of the shuttle.
Now, accounting for the fact that the most plausible theory at present is that a piece of foam insulation fell off the left booster, impacting the left wing of the shuttle and thereby loosening or damaging one or more of the critical ceramic tiles, please take note of the name of the astronaut on that wing.
If you die of an aneurism from this post, I humbly suggest I should get modded up +1, Benefitting Mankind.
For surely, this Earth can do without retards like yourself.
I always love the people who blame US sanctions for poverty, starvation and death.
I wish we could say the same for you.
I seem to remember reading somewhere that these countries existed thousands of years before the US
You mean when the population was a tiny fraction of what it is now? I expect that a large number of people died back then as well.
The difference is that today, such loss of life is easily preventable. It would be as if you were ill and I withheld modern medicine from you. What's the harm? If you had lived thousands of years ago, you would have died from the disease!
In Iraq's case after the war, all that was needed was to allow food and medicine into the country. The United States didn't need to provide the food or medicine, they just needed to ease up at the U.N. and let other countries deliver the aid.
It's not as if we hadn't done enough damage to Iraq already.
And it's not as if the sanctions ever stood a chance in hell of effecting regime change.
Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it.
That interview took place in 1996. Like I said before, the estimate is upwards of one-and-a-half million dead... today it's probably more like two million.
That's bullshit. You don't know this. As far as I can tell, Iraq only went crazy *after* Israel attacked it without provocation.
And tell me please, why is it that Israel gets to not be a signatory to the Nonproliferation Treaty, and yet still possess a formidable nuclear arsenal? In fact, much of the material Israel used to make their nukes was stolen from the U.S.! And Israel stands in violation of more U.N. Resolutions than Iraq has now or probably ever will!
Your mind has been polluted with all the garbage the media is feeding you. Iraq was aggressed on first. That aggressor was Israel. Iraq had every bit as much right to build that reactor as any other country, including the U.S., and including Israel.
Try to learn a little bit about the things you talk about before boring us all with your ignorance, OK?
A poor analogy, but not because it isn't correct.
Let's put it another way.
Let's say we resume launching shuttles and we lose the next three.
That will be 100% of the shuttle fleet relegated to history.
And then you (or the original poster) will reply, "But that's less than 5% of the missions!"
No.
Don't listen to these fools going on about how the shuttle was too high to be shot down, or other such nonsense.
The shuttle could have easily been sabotaged. And last I checked, sabotage on this scale readily qualifies as an act of terrorism (then again, what doesn't these days?)
Israel is a very controversial topic in America these days, the propaganda we get in the media notwithstanding. Is it possible that one individual out of the hundreds if not thousands of people who had access to Columbia or her many systems and components had an opportunity to inflict a fatal blow to the craft? Of course it is.
Everybody is pointing at the piece of insulation that fell off during ascent as the cause, and I agree it looks likely, but that doesn't rule out terrorism. The booster could easily have been tampered with in some way designed to cause exactly the sort of failure we've witnessed.
I don't believe it was terrorism, and I will chafe at any such suggestion from the Bush Administration that it was in fact terrorism if and when they offer it, but it can hardly be ruled out, let alone dismissed or even mocked as we've seen so many here do.
Especially when 'god's vengeance' is so damn pathetic, when it comes down to it.
Damn straight. Estimates are as high as 1.5 million dead as the direct result of U.S.-led sanctions against Iraq after the first Gulf War. And these estimates are by now a year old, and the sanctions continue.
God's vengence would be more along the lines of wiping out one of our major cities I would think.
Although, the Israeli on the Shuttle was the one who participated in the unprovoked attack on the Iraqi nuclear facility in 1981, well before Iraq demonstrated extra-territorial ambitions in the region. Picking on the other six astronauts would be foul work, but Ramon probably deserved what he got.
And less than 2% out of the total number of launches. And?
And if there were to be an accidental exchange of nuclear weapons between Russia and the United States I suppose you would claim in response that we've enjoyed nearly 20,000 incident-free days, is that right?
Isn't that like saying you made X number of dollars, when you only made Y?
Oh yeah...
I don't think AlQaeda will, because they seem to only take credit for things they actually have a hand in.
Agreed. If they were in the business of taking credit for terrorist acts, they would have claimed responsibility for 9/11.
Is that irony or what?
You're right too.
Forget the Aliens. I literally soiled myself when I first heard the Predator. AvP was cutting edge for its time in the use of ambient sound, and they had one part after killing off all the aliens where you'd be alone with nothing but the hum of the surrounding machinery, when all of the sudden out of nowhere the Predator whispers in your ear, "anytime".
As for T2K, there are lessons in that game that game designers still don't understand.
I might have to go on eBay myself.
Not Apple Jaguar, but Atari Jaguar.
That was a bitching console, but too difficult to code for.
That said, it had Tempest 2000, for which the Jaguar version was simply breathtaking in places.
Aliens vs. Predator was excellent too.
If you want to use Mac OS X, use it. No one is stopping you.
Just don't expect the rest of us to stay quiet when some idiot goes on about Apple and Linux helping each other, because it simply isn't so.
And FYI, a lot of people use GCC on Windows, esp. people who do cross-platform work. Windows not providing it is irrelevant, because unlike Apple's interpretation of open source, we can get GCC anytime we want.
As for InterfaceBuilder and ProjectBuilder, yeah, they're included. So what? Without GCC it's so much cheese, ProjectBuilder especially.
Twirling on many Fists,
You're not addressing anything I've said here.
Guess you couldn't respond to my last reply to you.
Oh, that's right, because you were completely full of shit.
I wasn't trying to compare Microsoft to Apple overall, only with regards to making code available to understand their API's.
And let's not be giving credit to Apple for their developer tools being free here, OK? The credit belongs to GNU. Let's at least get that straight. For that matter, when Apple was in the business of selling developer tools (MPW) it was more expensive than what Microsoft was offering at the time.
I mean, c'mon, there was a time when you had to pay Apple $300 for access to the basic API's alone! I never recall having to pay Microsoft anywhere near that.
And there is an equivalent to Visual Studio that's free... the very same GNU tools Apple is using.
But none of that is what I'm talking about. Apple has a long history of hiding/not sharing example code, and of hiding/not sharing API's. I've yet to encounter an instance where I have seen a Microsoft program do something with Windows the available documentation didn't address. Whereas with Apple we were -- at least as of a year ago -- still laboring under closed APIs for things like control panels and those dealies in the menu bar, just to name a couple of examples.
Apple's engineers have historically made a lot of loot by doing this. They keep the feature quiet, then they leave the company and release some new application that makes use of the as-yet-undocumented feature. The motivations are probably different today (after all we're talking about the only desktop OS available that still locks you into blue or gray as a theme color) but the effect is still the same.
It's their way of maintaining a technical edge, through obscurity. Even their documentation reflects this, it's the worst in the industry by far.
LOL, it's even reflected in their choosing to give us Cocoa API's in Objective-C and Java only! Why not join the rest of the human race and give us C++ API's? (and yes, it most certainly is possible, as I've had to explain here before.)
Fuck you retard. Everything I've said here is absolutely correct.
When KDE merges the changes from Apple is not the point. It was never the point.
Why didn't Apple just release the code? That's what is done with open source, yes? Just release the code.
And of course, the larger point is that Apple makes prolific use of open source while taking liberties with the licenses they are released under, while open source efforts that make even tangential reference to Apple's work merits legal action.
I think that sucks.
The changes Apple made to KHTML itself for rendering and whatnot are not available.
Read the fucking website:
And then consider you got modded up for BEING WRONG. Not the first time either as I recall.
A few things...
GNU Chess isn't a Darwin application. It's an OS X application, writting in Cocoa. So what's it doing in the Darwin section of the web site?
And why isn't it available via the search engine?
And why aren't instructions for how to obtain the source available with the application? Yes, they give you the standard GPL COPYING file within the application bundle, but that's it.
They are supposed to make the source code easy to find, are they not? I went round-and-round with Apple on this when OS X first came out, and I got no satisfaction whatsoever. This, despite the fact that I paid the big bucks to be an attendee at their first OS X WWDC.
That isn't the way it's supposed to be with GNU source.
Now, it doesn't really matter much, but back when OS X was still beta, having access to the source code for a finished application would have been enormously useful. Apple does this shit all the time, even back in bad old days of System 7. They don't share the technology. They don't give you access.
In this regard, they're actually worse than Microsoft.
Clearly it is you who do not know what you are talking about. The changes Apple has made are not open source. If they were, we would have access to them. We do not.
That is what open source means, having access. You can't say, "one day we'll make the source available, really, honest, we promise" and then still get to call yourself open source. It doesn't work that way.
Every single time when I post about Apple, I got modded down.
Almost every other time I post, I get modded up.
Like I could give a shit either way.
Alright then.
The same query to Apple engineers two years back resulted in no reply whatsoever.
And you get no results if you try searching on gnu chess in the Apple Developer forum.
Excuse me for not knowing the secret password. It isn't supposed to be this way with GNU code. The instructions for how to obtain the source are supposed to be included with the binaries, are they not?
As pointed out elsewhere in this thread, this is simply wrong.
The part they released is worthless, unless you are going to use KHTML under Cocoa.
Read the web page. It actually is very clear on this point.