The 'design issue,' and it's mentioned right in the RIM response, is Apples singular decision to use an external metal antenna that comes into contact with the user.
Ahh, so it's Apple external antenna that makes the bars drop on the CrackBerry. It all makes sense now.
Looks like somebody can't accept the fact that RIM clearly made certain design decisions and it should take responsibility for these decisions rather than trying to draw Apple into a situation that relates specifically to RIM. Namely that a BlackBerry Bold 9700 drops from 5 bars to 1 bar when held in a way that attenuates the signal.
This is hardly a sign that Apple is modern, but rather they are following behind the antenna measurement industry,
D.
Because they release the picture now, which to you means they have just installed it, and haven't actually used for anything yet. Did I get your point right?
But somehow, the real life testing using automated systems and real people both observing the data didn't catch the phones "signal strength software miscalculation" problem.
Just noticed - you did RTFA article, and stole your line from it, didn't you: "Speaking of movies, one chamber we didn’t get to see was a giant one that looks exactly like Cerebo from the X-Men films."
Why don't you RTFA instead? There's a big fucking picture of a guy sitting inside a big fucking ring with article text right below "The most interesting of these rooms was one that Caballero called “Stargate.” Why? Because well, it looks like it belongs in the movie/TV series Stargate. Inside this room, there’s a giant ring that a human sits on a raised chair in the center of. "
So? HTC obviously has a problem and is denying it - and so are all you Droids. Note that Apple's video shows a very sneaky behaviour of the Android bar algorithm: the bars drop really slowly when you touch it the wrong way, but come back fast when you release it. Not as glacial as the Windows Mobile phone, but still slower than the iPhone - and it takes longer than the people hold the iPhone 4s in "death grip videos".
Where's your head at man? The link is about RIM's response to Apple's accusation. It says that they don't have the problem Apple has and that Apple should take responsibility for (but won't).
So you are telling us that Apple has made a fake video of a BlackBerry Bold 9700 droping from 5 bars to 1 bar when held in a way that attenuates the signal? To "not take responsibility"? Are you on CrackBerry?
Nearly everything about how Apple has handled this has been wrong. From their disingenuous attempt to rebrand the problem "Antennagate" to stop the media from calling it the "Death Grip",
"The most interesting of these rooms was one that Caballero called 'Stargate.' Why? Because, well, it looks like it belongs in the movie/TV series Stargate."
Stargate? More like Cerebro: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebro
So where is the ring a person is sitting in Cerebro?
Looks like somebody can't accept the fact that RIM clearly made certain design decisions and it should take responsibility for these decisions rather than trying to draw Apple into a situation that relates specifically to RIM. Namely that a BlackBerry Bold 9700 drops from 5 bars to 1 bar when held in a way that attenuates the signal.
First of all, he said nothing about 1%, he said "less than 1 out of 100 calls more" compared to thee number of dropped calls compared to the 3GS. Which also means no human would be able to tell the difference without either actually counting the drops over several hundred calls, or the number of dropped calls per 100 of the iPhone 3GS either being
0 (or at least very much under 1 per 100), so the user of an iPhone 4 would actually experience dropped calls when he didn't before, or
99 (or very close), so that the user would get absolutely no undropped calls anymore.
Because, if you haven't noticed, 1.4% is the rate for all>/I> models of all manufacturers, and there are obviously quite large differences between them - else nobody would have ever complained or praised his new phone for there being more/less dropped call under the same circumstances.
"the majority of those who trade stocks are still very emotional"
Not true. The major owners in Apple, as any major company on the stock market, are mutual funds and institutional holders with 72% of the stocks. Maybe the majority of the small time investors are emotional, I don't know, but that is a completely different thing since they can only affect the stock price so much.
You don't know about the pension fund manager (IIRC) from New York who keeps suing Apple every time the stock drops (and he sold in panic before it shot up again)?
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I believe the catholic church held a similar view when the Gutenburg press came out
Figures that the "skeptics" take part of their knowledge straight from chick.com. Ignoring the fact that Gutenberg's Bible still cost far more than a common man could afford, not only did the Catholic Church cheer for the availability of the printed Bible, they also supported Gutenberg by having him print church documents - including indulgences.
“’Climate change’ is less frightening than ’global warming.’... While global warming has catastrophic connotations attached to it, climate change suggests a more controllable and less emotional challenge” (p. 142).
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The 'design issue,' and it's mentioned right in the RIM response, is Apples singular decision to use an external metal antenna that comes into contact with the user.
Ahh, so it's Apple external antenna that makes the bars drop on the CrackBerry. It all makes sense now.
Looks like somebody can't accept the fact that RIM clearly made certain design decisions and it should take responsibility for these decisions rather than trying to draw Apple into a situation that relates specifically to RIM. Namely that a BlackBerry Bold 9700 drops from 5 bars to 1 bar when held in a way that attenuates the signal.
This is hardly a sign that Apple is modern, but rather they are following behind the antenna measurement industry,
D.
Because they release the picture now, which to you means they have just installed it, and haven't actually used for anything yet. Did I get your point right?
But somehow, the real life testing using automated systems and real people both observing the data didn't catch the phones "signal strength software miscalculation" problem.
Which bring us back to the fact that Engadget didn't see it on 2 out of 3 iPhone 4s either "P.P.S. Since some of you are asking, our review unit showed none of these issues.">
Just noticed - you did RTFA article, and stole your line from it, didn't you: "Speaking of movies, one chamber we didn’t get to see was a giant one that looks exactly like Cerebo from the X-Men films."
Compare the following
Why don't you RTFA instead? There's a big fucking picture of a guy sitting inside a big fucking ring with article text right below "The most interesting of these rooms was one that Caballero called “Stargate.” Why? Because well, it looks like it belongs in the movie/TV series Stargate. Inside this room, there’s a giant ring that a human sits on a raised chair in the center of. "
Do I need to draw a fucking ASCII picture?
http://gizmodo.com/5589962/htc-disputes-apple-cellphone-demo-with-deathgrip-video-of-its-own
So? HTC obviously has a problem and is denying it - and so are all you Droids. Note that Apple's video shows a very sneaky behaviour of the Android bar algorithm: the bars drop really slowly when you touch it the wrong way, but come back fast when you release it. Not as glacial as the Windows Mobile phone, but still slower than the iPhone - and it takes longer than the people hold the iPhone 4s in "death grip videos".
As someone who has the blackberry bold 9700, I have no idea what you're talking about.
You hold it the right way. Hold it the wrong way, and you will see the problem.
Where's your head at man? The link is about RIM's response to Apple's accusation. It says that they don't have the problem Apple has and that Apple should take responsibility for (but won't).
So you are telling us that Apple has made a fake video of a BlackBerry Bold 9700 droping from 5 bars to 1 bar when held in a way that attenuates the signal? To "not take responsibility"? Are you on CrackBerry?
Any company doing serious RF development will either have their own and rent time in a dedicated testing facility.
Search google for "anechoic chamber" and you'll find hundreds of photos of such facilities.
Search the Slashdot comments on any iPhone 4 story, and you will find lots of claims that Apple didn't test.
The thing is, OTA testing takes a long time and is actually a lot of money.
Apple has a fucking lot of money right now.
But they don't have any more time than anyone else.
Nearly everything about how Apple has handled this has been wrong. From their disingenuous attempt to rebrand the problem "Antennagate" to stop the media from calling it the "Death Grip",
Oh yeah? http://www.google.com/search?q=Antennagate&hl=en&safe=off&rls=en&prmd=nlv&sa=X&ei=witDTKDRHYyOjAexpIlV&ved=0CA8QpwU&source=lnt&tbs=nws%3A1%2Ccdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A6%2F1%2F2010%2Ccd_max%3A7%2F15%2F2010
"The most interesting of these rooms was one that Caballero called 'Stargate.' Why? Because, well, it looks like it belongs in the movie/TV series Stargate." Stargate? More like Cerebro: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebro
So where is the ring a person is sitting in Cerebro?
Looks like somebody can't accept the fact that RIM clearly made certain design decisions and it should take responsibility for these decisions rather than trying to draw Apple into a situation that relates specifically to RIM. Namely that a BlackBerry Bold 9700 drops from 5 bars to 1 bar when held in a way that attenuates the signal.
Because, if you haven't noticed, 1.4% is the rate for all>/I> models of all manufacturers, and there are obviously quite large differences between them - else nobody would have ever complained or praised his new phone for there being more/less dropped call under the same circumstances.
What they didn't like was the bible being translated into any other languages that the common man could read. Point still stands.
The common man couldn't read - period. The common skeptic can't either.
"the majority of those who trade stocks are still very emotional"
Not true. The major owners in Apple, as any major company on the stock market, are mutual funds and institutional holders with 72% of the stocks. Maybe the majority of the small time investors are emotional, I don't know, but that is a completely different thing since they can only affect the stock price so much.
You don't know about the pension fund manager (IIRC) from New York who keeps suing Apple every time the stock drops (and he sold in panic before it shot up again)?
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Not when Dell or HP or Lenovo does it.
I believe the catholic church held a similar view when the Gutenburg press came out
Figures that the "skeptics" take part of their knowledge straight from chick.com. Ignoring the fact that Gutenberg's Bible still cost far more than a common man could afford, not only did the Catholic Church cheer for the availability of the printed Bible, they also supported Gutenberg by having him print church documents - including indulgences.
Sure. They also know that their products aren't licensed for anything except personal use.
Is this so? (spoiler: no it isn't)
And there's almost two billion chinese trying to make hardware that doesn't infringe pattens so they can sell obscenely cheaper here in the west.
Yeah, just like they don't produce any MP3 hardware without paying any fees. Honestly.
The one thing that the Android market lacks is filters.
So where are the porn apps on the Android Market? No, not the porn app store for Android - the Android market that lacks filters.
That is why it is called CLIMATE CHANGE
not global warming......dumby
No, its called that because
“’Climate change’ is less frightening than ’global warming.’ ... While global warming has catastrophic connotations attached to it, climate change suggests a more controllable and less emotional challenge” (p. 142).
Luntz Memo on the Environment (2002) "The phrase "global warming" appeared frequently in President Bush's speeches in 2001, but decreased to almost nothing during 2002, when the memo was produced."
Below sea level... not under water.
That's a minor mistake compared to quoting the wrong number. His claims are still absolutely flawless.