I'm not saying this is retailatory... But this wouldn't be the first time Apple has gone out of it's way to punish partners for making preemptive announcements about Apples products. One may recall not too many years ago ATI making a show about Apple using their video cards just before another WWDC (maybe it was Macworld, I forget). Apple proceeded to spend the night pulling ATI's cards from their ready to ship Macs. In keynote the following morning Steve Jobs announced (surely with ATI execs in the front row) that nVidia was their premier partner for Mac video. It has been said that it was 6 monts before ATI execs could get even an executive secretary on the phone. One may recall that, but one wouldn't be right.
What actually happened:
July 2000: Some Nvidia guy announced they were OEM partners of Apple
shortly after, Nvidia said: not true, Apple said nothing
3 weeks later, ATI pre-announces features of Macs (including that some would use Radeons), 2 days before keynote of
Jobs doesn't mention ATI in the keynote - the machines still ship with ATI Rages, no Nvidias anywhere
"Sources" tell ZDNet that Apple had removed the Radeons
6 weeks later at Mac Expo Paris, Jobs announces that Radeons were now ready to ship, spending some time showing how much faster they are than the old Rage
half a year later: Jobs announces all but the lowest of the new G4s now comes with a Geforce2
To sum up, Apple neither dumped Nvidia nor ATI for pre-announcing something, instead they shipped the new chips when they were ready.
Jonathan *had* to know he might get burned for spilling the beans before Steve.
I'm not sure how Jonathan got burned. Sure as hell he didn't get burned. He made a ridiculous claim, and got a lot of press from it. Apart from that nothing much changed: ZFS is still a supported file system in Leopard, and not needed for Time Machine in any way.
You don't know how correct you are. A guy I talked to bought a quad core G5 16 months ago and now he was upset that EAs mac games would be Intel only because they used Transgaming Cider. And other applications where going Intel only aswell.
Sure his machine are PPC, but it's not outdated, and already some companies/individual developers are leaving it.
If you are a company who bought thousand of Pro macs with quad core G5s just to see Apple switch to Intel and the developer of whatever program you used left you I'm sure you would be quite upset. Yeah, that company must be really pissed that those thousand G5s can't run Madden.
In real IT and business shops, a reliable roadmap is a requirement of any product of which you plan to buy and support thousands of units. Architecture switches and products going end of life in 18 months matters a lot if you're working with a 3-year roll-out plan, especially if there are complex platform dependencies. Translation: Dell sells well to business, because they know that Dell will be able to ship them a similar, dull, overpriced machine in 3 years. Unless the death spiral continues, of course. The fact that Dell often changes components in their computers without telling anybody just proves your point.
Thanks for again reaffirming my faith in Apple Fanboi nature. I'm sure you have something fanboiish to add? No, just like you don't have to anything intelligent to add.
You said you don't get it a few comments ago. Surely that means you don't understand? So you say WMF is a "it"? Because I said "I don't get WMF". Or don't you understand? Must be, because you keep asking stupid questions showing you don't get it. Well, probably because you are WMF. He never gets it either.
Ahh, but you forgot that just 3 weeks earlier an Nvidia rep in Germany had announced that nVidia Strikes Deal With Apple. Of course they then replaced all Nvidia chips with ATIs. Also that 6 weeks later at Apple Expo Paris, the Radeons were in, with demos how great they were.
But of course the possibility that the Nvidia guy just talked about the inclusion of GeForce 2s in the following generation (Jan 2001), or that the Radeons simply were not ready yet is just too slim to get in the way of another "Jobs kills family of somebody who pre-announced something" story. Just like all those people saying how unlikely it was that ZFS would be "the" file system of Leopard (and gave reasons) were obviously wrong, and that instead Apple quickly removed all traces of ZFS from the Leopard betas.
Actually, the reason I was surprised at the HTML fuzzing DoS issues is exactly because of the first DoS you mentioned. ...
And none of these issues were shown to be remotely exploitable. Well, the surprising thing about that was actually that they knew it was in 1.5.0.5, were told it was in 2.0 RC, and still didn't fix it. What they did was say it wasn't so bad, even though they said about the same issue in 1.5.0.5 "We have seen no demonstration that these crashes could be reliably exploited, but they do show evidence of memory corruption so we presume they could be."
Anyway, less than 2 months later 2.0.1 came out and fixed 8 bugs, 5 of them critical. In a final version, not a beta. Do you want me to dig through the fixes for the beta?
Really? Back when Firefox 1.0 and IE 1.0 were written, the web wasn't a hostile environment. The problems reported here are fairly basic issues (canonicalization problems while handling protocol handlers are VERY old news). So what is your excuse for all the bugs in Firefox 2.0 Final?
Release: 2006/10/25
First DoS: 10/23
Breach of privacy: 10/25
Another DoS: 10/31
Pretty much, yeah. Open Source, you contribute back to the community by submitting bugs, etc. If you submit bugs to Apple, you're contributing back to... Apple. If it's worth it to you, go for it. Yeah, because nobody actually uses Apple products, so any improvements only benefit Apple. Or something like that.
Congratulations. You first claim that "Nothing apple does is for free", then you claim "Plenty of people (and companies, for that matter), do things without expecting (or getting) anything in return", and when someone wants to see a list of those companies, you claim victory because "Apple wouldn't be on it". And all that without any proof. Do you do this for free, or do you get paid?
Nice try, but it can simply mean he's good enough to get paid in the trade he professes to be skilled in. So does Dubya. But wait, is he a professional President or a professional politician?
releasing software with remotely exploitable bugs to the general public to the fanfare of the press (release of safari is in all major news) by a large company is surely a more irresponsible act than a bug report about the said software. Well, I guess you missed the fact that he won't report any bug to Apple. So your little judgment has absolutely zero value.
because he is a total fsckwad loser attention hound.
I wondered who'd be the first to launch an ad hominem attack - and look, right in the first comment.
Thanks for reaffirming my faith in Apple Fanboi nature. It figures that one asshole would defend another asshole when the issue talked about is being an asshole.
But I thought that resolution independance was the big deal at WWDC. I mean the advertisements promoting it and all of those workshops going on this week... But nothing mentioned at the keynote.
Did I miss something? That it won't sell Leopard - not without new hardware. Well, the Mac Book Pro 17" with the hi-res option is already there...
Or, should I say, Bush has shown his contempt for intelligence once again, and will yet again when he doesn't fire anyone for this serious secrecy breach. Instead he will pay some very special company a billion to make sure this never happens again.
Well 5 years late if you are talking the Commodore 64. We had a Commodore PET I first learned BASIC on back in 1980.
Who's talking about the C64? Oh, yeah, you were.
We had Apple IIs at school and I used them constantly. I was so familiar with them that I could truly appreciate the improvements the Commodore 64 brought over Apple's design, especially as I enjoyed programming graphics and sound. Yeah, because poking around without proper documentation was sooo much fun. Pun intended.
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What actually happened:
- July 2000: Some Nvidia guy announced they were OEM partners of Apple
- shortly after, Nvidia said: not true, Apple said nothing
- 3 weeks later, ATI pre-announces features of Macs (including that some would use Radeons), 2 days before keynote of
- Jobs doesn't mention ATI in the keynote - the machines still ship with ATI Rages, no Nvidias anywhere
- "Sources" tell ZDNet that Apple had removed the Radeons
- 6 weeks later at Mac Expo Paris, Jobs announces that Radeons were now ready to ship, spending some time showing how much faster they are than the old Rage
- half a year later: Jobs announces all but the lowest of the new G4s now comes with a Geforce2
To sum up, Apple neither dumped Nvidia nor ATI for pre-announcing something, instead they shipped the new chips when they were ready.I'm not sure how Jonathan got burned. Sure as hell he didn't get burned. He made a ridiculous claim, and got a lot of press from it. Apart from that nothing much changed: ZFS is still a supported file system in Leopard, and not needed for Time Machine in any way.
I think Jobs kinda knows what he's doing. We're the ones posting on Slashdot.
Where do you think all those pro-Apple AC posts are coming from?
Microsoft's MBU. And the Zune department.Sure his machine are PPC, but it's not outdated, and already some companies/individual developers are leaving it.
If you are a company who bought thousand of Pro macs with quad core G5s just to see Apple switch to Intel and the developer of whatever program you used left you I'm sure you would be quite upset. Yeah, that company must be really pissed that those thousand G5s can't run Madden.
Translation: Dell sells well to business, because they know that Dell will be able to ship them a similar, dull, overpriced machine in 3 years. Unless the death spiral continues, of course. The fact that Dell often changes components in their computers without telling anybody just proves your point.
Why join in on the conversation? So you admit you can't understand what I am saying, WMF. What else is new.
But of course the possibility that the Nvidia guy just talked about the inclusion of GeForce 2s in the following generation (Jan 2001), or that the Radeons simply were not ready yet is just too slim to get in the way of another "Jobs kills family of somebody who pre-announced something" story. Just like all those people saying how unlikely it was that ZFS would be "the" file system of Leopard (and gave reasons) were obviously wrong, and that instead Apple quickly removed all traces of ZFS from the Leopard betas.
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And none of these issues were shown to be remotely exploitable.
Well, the surprising thing about that was actually that they knew it was in 1.5.0.5, were told it was in 2.0 RC, and still didn't fix it. What they did was say it wasn't so bad, even though they said about the same issue in 1.5.0.5 "We have seen no demonstration that these crashes could be reliably exploited, but they do show evidence of memory corruption so we presume they could be."
Anyway, less than 2 months later 2.0.1 came out and fixed 8 bugs, 5 of them critical. In a final version, not a beta. Do you want me to dig through the fixes for the beta?
Funny how you didn't address my point at all.
Release: 2006/10/25
First DoS: 10/23
Breach of privacy: 10/25
Another DoS: 10/31
Congratulations. You first claim that "Nothing apple does is for free", then you claim "Plenty of people (and companies, for that matter), do things without expecting (or getting) anything in return", and when someone wants to see a list of those companies, you claim victory because "Apple wouldn't be on it". And all that without any proof. Do you do this for free, or do you get paid?
So does Dubya. But wait, is he a professional President or a professional politician?
So Maynor is part of the "opensource community" now? Or are you saying it's Apple's fault to use OS? Are you saying that opesource sucks?
I wondered who'd be the first to launch an ad hominem attack - and look, right in the first comment.
Thanks for reaffirming my faith in Apple Fanboi nature. It figures that one asshole would defend another asshole when the issue talked about is being an asshole.
Did I miss something? That it won't sell Leopard - not without new hardware. Well, the Mac Book Pro 17" with the hi-res option is already there
Or, should I say, Bush has shown his contempt for intelligence once again, and will yet again when he doesn't fire anyone for this serious secrecy breach. Instead he will pay some very special company a billion to make sure this never happens again.
http://www.idrewthis.org/d/20070425.html
Obviously the only one not understanding the conversation is you, WMF.
Yes, it's a watermark. It's just not a robust or stealthy one. And it can be removed without damaging the file - no wait, then it isn't a watermark.
Who's talking about the C64? Oh, yeah, you were.
We had Apple IIs at school and I used them constantly. I was so familiar with them that I could truly appreciate the improvements the Commodore 64 brought over Apple's design, especially as I enjoyed programming graphics and sound. Yeah, because poking around without proper documentation was sooo much fun. Pun intended.