> But why would anyone waste their time on AmigaOS these days? Ya, it was way cool when Apple II's roamed the earth and whatnot....but why does anyone really care about it now? Well, let ME ask - "why would anyone waste their time on" Linux? Please - Apple IIs? Amiga had Double-sided 3.5" floppies & 12-Bit colour when ATs had 5.25" floppies & Macs were B&W! ANYONE could "care about it" who wants a speedy - responsive system.
> How many people even mess with that platform? Approx. one thousand motherboards were purchased prior to AmigaOS4.0 availability; when Debian-PPC was the majority OS distro!
> Can someone help me understand why this platform is still getting development effort? Psst! I'll let YOU into a SECRET! What about a marketplace -- say, the Far East -- where the MS control-factor is unwelcome?:) .
> Serious question from someone for whom Amigas were games machines as a kid. Well since I was in my thirties, I was running applications rather than games.
> Who uses amigas nowadays? . . . Is it kick-ass for music or something? I do. Still do graphic manipulation with TVPaint, and ImageFX, along with wordprocessing etc. Up until December 2003 I accessed/. via my A2000/060 system running OS3.5! It was a "kick-ass" music machine . . . ever heard of Mods, etc? It can still be used to create (and run) a competition-winning Party-Demo!
> Is AmigaOS designed for modern hardware, . .. Yes! Firstly, the AmigaOne G4 motherboard. large pic
> . . . can you do everything with it that you can with other systems? ANYTHING that Apps & Hardware allows, or that YOU don't get to do if you've already been arrested. .
> I used to program professionally on the Amiga. I was part of the original Video Toaster team at Newtek > back in the day. For god's sake just die!! Hmmm! So, how long ago did you loose YOUR cool? (NB- Following the acquition of a NewTek DigiView Gold, I "became" a Cool friend of NewTek! The DigiView was a 21-Bit colour video grabber marketed pre-'90s that generated income to finance the development of the VideoToaster.) .
> For all intents and purposes, it isn't AmigaOS at all! ? ? ? Please explain the basis for your strange belief!
> It is as if the Linux kernel received no updates at all for ten years after 2.8 was finished... then suddenly . .. You seem to be unaware that THREE versions of the AmigaOS were released since CBM folded? I'm still using OS3.5 on my A2000!
> How the heck can they call this "AmigaOS" if it has essentially ZERO backwards-compatibility with previous AmigaOSes? How MANY times can you place YOUR foot in your mouth? Why don't you go any read the compatibility list for existing apps - I intend to migrate a SCSI Hard Drive of existing apps to facilitate installation!
> The LEAST they could have done was provide a "Classic AmigaOS layer", like what Apple did with Mac OS X to allow > it to run "Classic" (pre-X) Mac OS apps... Such as the JIT? Already been done. .
Spatial browser ... been DONE on AmigaOS!
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As it has LONG been "done" on AmigaOS . .. More recent versions allowed the Parent Windows to close by holding down the RH Amiga key!
What I hadn't found on a similar system (like the Mac) was the possibility to 'Snapshot' the position of the folders to keep them where you position them. Actually, on AmigaOS Folders are called Drawers. . . but in real life Folders and Files are often stored in Drawers. .
The wife learns on AmigaOS, Debian, & OSX.10.3
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I've been able to get my wife varying amounts of usability with 3 different systems.
Firstly while she was Honorary Secretary for a sports club, I partialy got her up-to-speed on wordprocessing and vector graphics with AmigaOS3.1 mostly.
More recently, after I got her conversant with web browsing on Debian PPC with the KDE desktop - I created her own account there.
After much trouble with the lack of graphics quality on an ancient PCI Graphics card equipped Win CE box, I talked her into acquiring a base-level eMac which she's using to web-browse, download (and edit) digital photos, and printout hardcopy photos. I want to upgrade that Mac's memory and replace the mouse with a two-button job though she likes the appearance of the standard eMac Mouse!
More recently (yesterday) I've been trying to get her to understand the difference between Googling via text-terms, and via picture-names. My wife has painted in oils for the last three years, and I'm encouraging her to become more proficient in using the web for reference & communications. .
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We recently replaced an ancient Win-Me box with a OS-X eMac. Along with this non-Mac PPC Debian system, that ensures that the DSL connected pair of systems are (collectively) more secure.
I've been using home computers since 1982, and ISP connection since 2000 -- Amiga 68K, A1 PPC, and the recently added eMac; all of these have more security because emails, & web pages, cannot install downloads without USER okay! .
Transportation problems between cities could well be solved by building GIANT revolving cities (that revolving restaurant concept just expanded) that almost touch each other! At the junctions between two revolving cities, a swinging half-drawbridge mates with its opposite on the other city long enough for one hundred people to step across.
To double between-city commuter numbers, you just add another storey to the swinging drawbridges. (The drawbridges swing sideways to compensate for differences as the city perimeter arcs closer, and then arcs away.
By edge-hopping from city to city you could travel as far as the adjacent GIANT revolving cities extend. To travel outwards from the LAST city in a chain, a hang glider or parawing offers a chance to exploit centrifugal force. Subways extending outwards under the cities offer less stressful egress, and the way back in, at the edge where the R-Cities end!
(Wait for the song- "At the edge where the R-Cities end.") .
Well, the smart ones come back down backwards- so their claws can grip . .. while the dumb ones come back down frontwards- and go, "Me-ow-ow-ow-OWW! Thud!"
So you have to look for catface-impressions around trees, eh? .
Since America is leading the world in the growth in human obesity- suitable air-cell padded oversuits with gyro-pointed waistline airthrusters may allow rotund Americans to travel point-to-point by just rolling along?:)
I've long supported THIS very concept: About: the Caspian Sea Monster Much development remains with LARGER Sizes, Leading Tandem Monoplane configurations, and Sidewall Hovercraft Surface manoevering;- aspects being possibilities in solving various problems.
Enclosed Fan Propulsion can solve high-power noise problems, and be used to augment swift-climb requirements! .
The shape of ordinary cars deems them quite unsuitable to be used in an aerial configuration. I believe that a convertable Road/Air vehicle stands a better chance if the Road Configuration (shape) is more like the Pulse/Litestar design: Litestar Pulse THESE are already efficient at fighting drag, and the canopy renders all-round vision. The motor could be de-clutched from the road-gearbox to re-connect to a folding (or attachable) propellor/fan drive.
Computer-controlled air navigation could adaquately solve any air safety concerns, along with designated airlanes! .
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. . and the real trouble there, is you can't hide the mouse at all! With wireless mice there's no tell-tale mouse-cord hanging from the cat's mouth!! .
> The flood stories, present all across the world, could be (at least partly) actual oral traditions > describing the end of the last ice age, the melting of the glaciers.-{SNIP}- But the > omnipresence of these myths all across the world hints to an event covering the whole world - the > ice age. Or - to be more specific . . I've read of the breakup and melting of the Great Larentide Ice Shelf of Northern Canada which caused world-wide caustrophic rises in the sea level. Drowning the minor continent between Malaya and Borneo, while surging inland up the Persian Gulf.
. . . and I have discovered a method of fitting TWO Sportscars inside a Carport (or garage) built for one!
First, you drive one inside where you lower the hood and remove (or fold) the windscreen.
Then, you position two wheel ramps behind that car, . . line up the second car some 60 metres back and rev the motor up to 5,500RPM before you depress the clutch! .
> Think back to 1995... pretty much every digital camera was made by Kodak.
Yet if we go FURTHER BACK to 1986-1989 we find Canon's "RC-701" was the world's first commercial magnetic recording still camera; and that Canon's "RC-250 (Q-PIC)" ("ION" in Europe), released in September 1989, was the FIRST consumer-priced DSC. .
My feeling is that we must look to Japan when examining the Earliest History of the Digital Still Video Camera. I had recalled the Canon Ion from the late '80s.
"History and background of digital cameras 1. The first step was to improve the transmission from moon to earth antenna, researchers at NASA developed the methods that convert analog signals into digital information. 2. The second step was when Sony first demonstrated an electronic still camera using CCD in 1984. The name of the first digital still camera was 'Mavica.' This small toy uses 1.4 MB floppy diskette, and one-diskette stores twenty-five pictures."
FIRST INTERNET MENTION OF ELECTRONIC CAMERAS - 1984. "In July, 1984, Canon conducted a trial of the RC-701 and an analog transmitter at the Los Angeles Olympics. The Copal CV-1 electronic camera prototype - 1984. HITACHI STILL VIDEO CAMERA PROTOTYPE - 1984. PANASONIC PROTOTYPE ELECTRONIC CAMERA - 1984. FUJI ES-1 - 1985. STill video camera. KONICA SVC-20 - 1985. Prototype still video camera. CANON RC-701 STILL VIDEO CAMERA - 1986. Canon was the first to market a still video camera, the professional model RC-701. Canon's "RC-701" was the world's first commercial magnetic recording still camera."
SV Cameras Accessible to the General User "In order to provide an affordable SV camera for general users, Canon set the price target that would not exceed 100,000 yen. The target was met by the release of the "RC-250 (Q-PIC)" in September 1989, whose price was 99,800 yen. The "RC-250 (Q-PIC)" had a built-in playback function. Connecting the camera to a television set with a video terminal, the user could easily view the pictures that had been taken. The camera with both "shooting" and "viewing" functions received much attention widely. The "RC-250" was a particular hit on the European market under the name of "ION."
. . and you could TYPE the C-64 Basic commands in full, or just the Tokenized (Shorter) version!
Creating a disk full of Enter-to-run Directory List Prog Names (after entering 'STOP" so it wouldn't try to RUN the Dir-List) was magic! Cursor back to ANY line and hit 'RUN'.
And, wasn't GEOS the simple-to-use-for-Newbies cut-down GUI? .
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> But why would anyone waste their time on AmigaOS these days? Ya, it was way cool when Apple II's roamed the earth and whatnot....but why does anyone really care about it now?
:)
Well, let ME ask - "why would anyone waste their time on" Linux? Please - Apple IIs? Amiga had Double-sided 3.5" floppies & 12-Bit colour when ATs had 5.25" floppies & Macs were B&W!
ANYONE could "care about it" who wants a speedy - responsive system.
> How many people even mess with that platform?
Approx. one thousand motherboards were purchased prior to AmigaOS4.0 availability; when Debian-PPC was the majority OS distro!
> Can someone help me understand why this platform is still getting development effort?
Psst! I'll let YOU into a SECRET! What about a marketplace -- say, the Far East -- where the MS control-factor is unwelcome?
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> Serious question from someone for whom Amigas were games machines as a kid.
/. via my A2000/060 system running OS3.5!
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Well since I was in my thirties, I was running applications rather than games.
> Who uses amigas nowadays? . . . Is it kick-ass for music or something?
I do. Still do graphic manipulation with TVPaint, and ImageFX, along with wordprocessing etc. Up until December 2003 I accessed
It was a "kick-ass" music machine . . . ever heard of Mods, etc? It can still be used to create (and run) a competition-winning Party-Demo!
> Is AmigaOS designed for modern hardware, . .
Yes! Firstly, the AmigaOne G4 motherboard.
large pic
> . . . can you do everything with it that you can with other systems?
ANYTHING that Apps & Hardware allows, or that YOU don't get to do if you've already been arrested.
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> I used to program professionally on the Amiga. I was part of the original Video Toaster team at Newtek
> back in the day. For god's sake just die!!
Hmmm! So, how long ago did you loose YOUR cool?
(NB- Following the acquition of a NewTek DigiView Gold, I "became" a Cool friend of NewTek! The DigiView was a 21-Bit colour video grabber marketed pre-'90s that generated income to finance the development of the VideoToaster.)
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> For all intents and purposes, it isn't AmigaOS at all!
.
? ? ? Please explain the basis for your strange belief!
> It is as if the Linux kernel received no updates at all for ten years after 2.8 was finished... then suddenly . .
You seem to be unaware that THREE versions of the AmigaOS were released since CBM folded? I'm still using OS3.5 on my A2000!
> How the heck can they call this "AmigaOS" if it has essentially ZERO backwards-compatibility with previous AmigaOSes?
How MANY times can you place YOUR foot in your mouth? Why don't you go any read the compatibility list for existing apps - I intend to migrate a SCSI Hard Drive of existing apps to facilitate installation!
> The LEAST they could have done was provide a "Classic AmigaOS layer", like what Apple did with Mac OS X to allow
> it to run "Classic" (pre-X) Mac OS apps...
Such as the JIT? Already been done.
.
As it has LONG been "done" on AmigaOS . . .
More recent versions allowed the Parent Windows to close by holding down the RH Amiga key!
What I hadn't found on a similar system (like the Mac) was the possibility to 'Snapshot' the position of the folders to keep them where you position them. Actually, on AmigaOS Folders are called Drawers. . . but in real life Folders and Files are often stored in Drawers.
.
I've been able to get my wife varying amounts of usability with 3 different systems.
Firstly while she was Honorary Secretary for a sports club, I partialy got her up-to-speed on wordprocessing and vector graphics with AmigaOS3.1 mostly.
More recently, after I got her conversant with web browsing on Debian PPC with the KDE desktop - I created her own account there.
After much trouble with the lack of graphics quality on an ancient PCI Graphics card equipped Win CE box, I talked her into acquiring a base-level eMac which she's using to web-browse, download (and edit) digital photos, and printout hardcopy photos. I want to upgrade that Mac's memory and replace the mouse with a two-button job though she likes the appearance of the standard eMac Mouse!
More recently (yesterday) I've been trying to get her to understand the difference between Googling via text-terms, and via picture-names. My wife has painted in oils for the last three years, and I'm encouraging her to become more proficient in using the web for reference & communications.
.
We recently replaced an ancient Win-Me box with a OS-X eMac. Along with this non-Mac PPC Debian system, that ensures that the DSL connected pair of systems are (collectively) more secure.
I've been using home computers since 1982, and ISP connection since 2000 -- Amiga 68K, A1 PPC, and the recently added eMac; all of these have more security because emails, & web pages, cannot install downloads without USER okay!
.
Transportation problems between cities could well be solved by building GIANT revolving cities (that revolving restaurant concept just expanded) that almost touch each other! At the junctions between two revolving cities, a swinging half-drawbridge mates with its opposite on the other city long enough for one hundred people to step across.
To double between-city commuter numbers, you just add another storey to the swinging drawbridges. (The drawbridges swing sideways to compensate for differences as the city perimeter arcs closer, and then arcs away.
By edge-hopping from city to city you could travel as far as the adjacent GIANT revolving cities extend. To travel outwards from the LAST city in a chain, a hang glider or parawing offers a chance to exploit centrifugal force. Subways extending outwards under the cities offer less stressful egress, and the way back in, at the edge where the R-Cities end!
(Wait for the song- "At the edge where the R-Cities end.")
.
Well, the smart ones come back down backwards- so their claws can grip . . .
while the dumb ones come back down frontwards- and go, "Me-ow-ow-ow-OWW! Thud!"
So you have to look for catface-impressions around trees, eh?
.
Since America is leading the world in the growth in human obesity- suitable air-cell padded oversuits with gyro-pointed waistline airthrusters may allow rotund Americans to travel point-to-point by just rolling along? :)
Its Tumbleweed Time, folks! (wink!)
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But didn't the Russians have Tsar-Gates (for ground transportation) before the October Revolution shut that down forever?
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I've long supported THIS very concept:
About: the Caspian Sea Monster
Much development remains with LARGER Sizes, Leading Tandem Monoplane configurations, and Sidewall Hovercraft Surface manoevering;- aspects being possibilities in solving various problems.
Enclosed Fan Propulsion can solve high-power noise problems, and be used to augment swift-climb requirements!
.
The shape of ordinary cars deems them quite unsuitable to be used in an aerial configuration.
I believe that a convertable Road/Air vehicle stands a better chance if the Road Configuration (shape) is more like the Pulse/Litestar design:
Litestar Pulse
THESE are already efficient at fighting drag, and the canopy renders all-round vision. The motor could be de-clutched from the road-gearbox to re-connect to a folding (or attachable) propellor/fan drive.
Computer-controlled air navigation could adaquately solve any air safety concerns, along with designated airlanes!
.
. . and the real trouble there, is you can't hide the mouse at all! With wireless mice there's no tell-tale mouse-cord hanging from the cat's mouth!!
.
> bundling computers with purchases of Windows!
:(
Now THAT is funny!
But will we laugh when it DOES happen?
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> The flood stories, present all across the world, could be (at least partly) actual oral traditions
> describing the end of the last ice age, the melting of the glaciers.-{SNIP}- But the
> omnipresence of these myths all across the world hints to an event covering the whole world - the
> ice age.
Or - to be more specific . . I've read of the breakup and melting of the Great Larentide Ice Shelf of Northern Canada which caused world-wide caustrophic rises in the sea level. Drowning the minor continent between Malaya and Borneo, while surging inland up the Persian Gulf.
So? I've never heard of YOU!
Actually it might be better if Wintel systems either die; or are disconnected from the net! :)
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> Ok, I'll bite, name one feature that you miss today from AmigaOS.
How about-
-Shuting down by flicking the On/Off switch to Off?
-Easy to set-up services in a system that is free from the PC Worms/Trojans/Virus hazzards?
-Being able to install apps (etc) where YOU want?
-Being able to install services which work WITH the system, and which the parent OS doesn't try to make you use what it wants you to use instead?
There! I've named FOUR advantages.
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> This planet is called Sedna... What happened to Vulcan??
Nothing as yet! They send out an occasional Scout ship to our solar system, on the lookout for any signs of the use of Warp Technology.
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No, actually, its Mongo: ...upon pain of death!"
"All creatures of Mongo will make merry...
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. . . and I have discovered a method of fitting TWO Sportscars inside a Carport (or garage) built for one!
First, you drive one inside where you lower the hood and remove (or fold) the windscreen.
Then, you position two wheel ramps behind that car, . . line up the second car some 60 metres back and rev the motor up to 5,500RPM before you depress the clutch!
.
> Think back to 1995 ... pretty much every digital camera was made by Kodak.
Yet if we go FURTHER BACK to 1986-1989 we find Canon's "RC-701" was the world's first commercial magnetic recording still camera; and that Canon's "RC-250 (Q-PIC)" ("ION" in Europe), released in September 1989, was the FIRST consumer-priced DSC.
.
My feeling is that we must look to Japan when examining the Earliest History of the Digital Still Video Camera. I had recalled the Canon Ion from the late '80s.
"History and background of digital cameras
1. The first step was to improve the transmission from moon to earth antenna, researchers at NASA developed the methods that convert analog signals into digital information.
2. The second step was when Sony first demonstrated an electronic still camera using CCD in 1984. The name of the first digital still camera was 'Mavica.' This small toy uses 1.4 MB floppy diskette, and one-diskette stores twenty-five pictures."
FIRST INTERNET MENTION OF ELECTRONIC CAMERAS - 1984.
"In July, 1984, Canon conducted a trial of the RC-701 and an analog transmitter at the Los Angeles Olympics.
The Copal CV-1 electronic camera prototype - 1984.
HITACHI STILL VIDEO CAMERA PROTOTYPE - 1984.
PANASONIC PROTOTYPE ELECTRONIC CAMERA - 1984.
FUJI ES-1 - 1985. STill video camera.
KONICA SVC-20 - 1985. Prototype still video camera.
CANON RC-701 STILL VIDEO CAMERA - 1986. Canon was the first to market a still video camera, the professional model RC-701.
Canon's "RC-701" was the world's first commercial magnetic recording still camera."
SV Cameras Accessible to the General User
"In order to provide an affordable SV camera for general users, Canon set the price target that would not exceed 100,000 yen. The target was met by the release of the "RC-250 (Q-PIC)" in September 1989, whose price was 99,800 yen. The "RC-250 (Q-PIC)" had a built-in playback function. Connecting the camera to a television set with a video terminal, the user could easily view the pictures that had been taken. The camera with both "shooting" and "viewing" functions received much attention widely. The "RC-250" was a particular hit on the European market under the name of "ION."
. . and you could TYPE the C-64 Basic commands in full, or just the Tokenized (Shorter) version!
Creating a disk full of Enter-to-run Directory List Prog Names (after entering 'STOP" so it wouldn't try to RUN the Dir-List) was magic! Cursor back to ANY line and hit 'RUN'.
And, wasn't GEOS the simple-to-use-for-Newbies cut-down GUI?
.