Perhaps you're thinking about this wrong? Since nVidias not-top-of-the-line cards don't have the larger heatsinks, and likely don't have the different power requirements, I'm thinking that they put the extra stuff on there not because they NEED to, but because they want to increase the tolerances in the design. That's called good engineering, making it so your card isn't running at the very edge before thermal breakdown just so it'll fit in one slot(what modern computer needs every slot filled anyway? What happens to a 9800 which has no room to breathe because you decided to stick a card right there?), ensuring that there is a stable power profile that doesn't drag the motherboard to it's limit in terms of providing power and increasing stablity of the whole machine as a result, and ensuring that systems their top of the line cards will be installed into don't run into problems with cheap power supplies by requiring a power supply powerful enough to cover all contingencies.
Overclocker ethic aside, Nvidia is doing a lot of things right in terms of ensuring reliability and decreasing the chance of failure through the use of redundant power paths and increased cooling efficiency. Seems to me that such things represent good engineering. Feel free to disagree.
50 years isn't exactly a drop in the bucket. The world today is a much different place than it was then.
Do you think the US could get away with nuking a first world nations city like they did in WWII?
Do you think Germany could get away with invading a first world nation like THEY did in WWII?
Do you think Japan could get away with declaring war by bombing a military outpost attached to a city?
The truth is, if ANY of the events of WWII happened today, the countries involved would be in serious shit. Diplomatic relations and public opinion hinges on a more liberal, less nationalistic tone than it did back then, especially when first world nations are involved.
Technically, there were locks on the house, and the house was marketed to you as being secure.
'course, it's our own damn faults for believing their maketing. I mean, MS has been claiming to be more secure since Windows 98, which is totally ironic, since it seems the newer the version of windows, the easier to exploit it is.
For all the hoopla, I'd sooner trust a patched, secured(no shares, etc...) Windows 98 machine on a broadband connection than a similarly patched, secured 2k or XP machine. How many of these self-propogating worms existed before 2k introduced the complexities of the NT system?
There's more to adminning than obsessive compulsive security research. Every admin I've ever met who was out there actually earning his paycheque had ten thousand better things to do than putt around slashdot or bugtraq reading up on the latest worm.
'course, this doesn't matter, since you're being self-righteous. Don't let me get in your way. By all means, keep whining. It's not like the worlds largest software company makes enough profit to start a true security initiative, starting with innovative new designs to stop security holes before they start or anything. Nope, software is insecure, period. It's our fault that microsoft can't get it right the first time. Yup.
hmmmm.... RTFM yourself. The FM sucks assholes. All Microsoft manuals suck assholes. They look thick alright, but then you realize that it's 3 pages long(1 for the manual in your language, 1 for installation instructions, 1 for warantee information) in sixteen different languages.
Hooray! thanks to the FM I just read, I now know how to say "Microsoft gives you no rights, but we have more" in 16 different languages! THANKS AC!!!
You know, I doubt you'll get any of these softies to agree with you. They don't understand the meaning of the words "MISSION CRITICAL".
There's a very, very good reason that most process control in instrumentation (in mines, factories, chemical plants, paper mills, etc...) doesn't use windows, or even x86, but usually some horribly expensive proprietary solution -- if that computer crashes, your company can lose a million dollars an hour until it's repaired. In fact, if a TRULY critical system fails at an important juncture, hundreds of people can DIE. Sure, the user interfaces are often in windows, but if that goes down, a well-designed system will shut things down if there's ever a real problem.
So don't even argue with these guys. It's like a squad lieutenant arguing with a UT2k3 fan over field tactics.
I'm no computer scientist, but if one OS is used by 90% of the world, and gets 99% of viruses, perhaps the discerning computer user should look into alternatives, rather than spending every waking moment hammering boards over the windows(metaphorically speaking, of course)?
Not every alternative OS to Windows is made by a large group of volunteer CS students either.
I just got hit with wone of these lsass viruses a few weeks ago.
Completely patched.
My stupidity was DMZing my firewall. Stupid, STUPID.
Freinds don't let freinds open their firewalls. Not even to play video games, no matter how many processes they have deactivated.
I think the tragedy here is that most "regular power users" (ie. the folks who think that they're big shit because they can install antivirus software and change their windows desktop) probably don't realize that it's entirely possible to have a completely patched windows machine that can still get infected by a virus if you plug it right into the internet. I honestly think these things are reaching a critical mass. It'll be interesting to see exactly how that manifests.
You could be doing SO much more with that much machine -- I mean....It's a PENTIUM 90!! Don't you realize how much power you have right there? It's insanity!
Fit a large scale VGA RPG with a real storyline, Pixel*Pixel scrolling(without hardware assistance), thousands of tiles(with animations), a battle system with ten to one-hundred spells and indepedant graphics for each into 3k, or even 50k.
Trust me, give a modern QB'er an old VIC-20 or C64, and the specs to do something with it, and you'll be suprised at what pops up, in terms of what such computers are capable of. In QB, however, you've got one of the slowest compilers out there with a standard library to match, and 450k of RAM to try to match dedicated hardware units like the Super Nintendo(generally speaking, SNES quality is the goal of QB developers. While 3d, end even high quality 3d graphics are possible today, the amount of work to get such a project completed is far to great for the one or two person development teams of QB to consider)
To be honest though, I think I'm wasting my breath. QB games have been developed that are absolutely on par with the "really *good* games being developed for real hardware using real languages", but I have a feeling you'd probably be the type to take the absolute cutting edge, million dollars to develop 3d game and try to compare it to a "0 dollars budget, developed on a dead language on a 486" indie game.
I'll be right here, enjoying myself immensely regardless.
In spite of how much people like to disagree with the sentiment, video games are an art form, and as such will sometimes have political messages in them. Myself, I always tend to put little shots in at current issues in my games, more because I live here and now, and not in the future or medival times where such games take place, so in creating content, I often draw from the real world.
I DO, however, find blatant they way some like to make their games totally pieces of propoganda, like the anti-MS games that litter the net, somewhat distasteful.
The difference, I think, is in the focus. If a game can manage to represent the values of it's creator without becoming a pure manifestation of those values with little else behind it, then it is nothing more than the nature of the art.
As for politics usually expressed in video games, I find that you're almost always on the very liberal, counterculture side of things. You're always either fighting, or cleaning up the mess from some corporate experiment, or government gone mad, or police forces or something. The number of games where "go out and kill the bad guys" means catching criminals seems to always be the minority.
Naw, you just need to work on the presentation. Saying a phrase from another site isn't going to magically become funny no matter how much you'd like it to unless you somehow back it up.:)
Observe:
"STUPID FAT PERSON! YOU JUMP ON TRAMPOLINE CAUSE TIDAL WAVES! YOU KILL MY WHOLE FAMILY!"
Not funny, is it?
Well it's hilarious in the right context. Juvinille, but hilarious.
Eventually even old kodgers like me have to face facts and move on. Windows' DOS compatiblity gets worse with every revision, and I shouldn't spend as much time as I have trying to keep the jrpg runtime engine from imploding under the weight of the VM, so it's all being ported to a modern language in pmode with nice cross-platform lib...
VBDOS is more QB than VB, in a good way. There are libraries for object oriented RAD GUI design included, but it's infinitely more useful when you remember you have hardware access and other real-mode niceties available to you.
but I'm positive, based on the advancements in the language and platform, that PDS was before vbdos. I've used both extremely recently, and vbdos is definitely the more advanced of the two.
If a computer programmer COULDN'T fix a modern automobile, I'd be quite suprised. The level of precision is an order of magnitude lower in an internal combustion engine+transmission than any given part of a computer. Since the programmer would have to be able to quickly pick up new concepts to stay employed, the internals of a vehicle should be a piece of cake.
On the other hand, I'm not a computer programmer professionally, so maybe it's not that way....
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Perhaps you're thinking about this wrong? Since nVidias not-top-of-the-line cards don't have the larger heatsinks, and likely don't have the different power requirements, I'm thinking that they put the extra stuff on there not because they NEED to, but because they want to increase the tolerances in the design. That's called good engineering, making it so your card isn't running at the very edge before thermal breakdown just so it'll fit in one slot(what modern computer needs every slot filled anyway? What happens to a 9800 which has no room to breathe because you decided to stick a card right there?), ensuring that there is a stable power profile that doesn't drag the motherboard to it's limit in terms of providing power and increasing stablity of the whole machine as a result, and ensuring that systems their top of the line cards will be installed into don't run into problems with cheap power supplies by requiring a power supply powerful enough to cover all contingencies.
Overclocker ethic aside, Nvidia is doing a lot of things right in terms of ensuring reliability and decreasing the chance of failure through the use of redundant power paths and increased cooling efficiency. Seems to me that such things represent good engineering. Feel free to disagree.
An ATI fan trying to call Nvidia for driver tampering? Way to show just how ignorant you are.
Perhaps you should learn a bit of history before you get all self-righteous. Naw. history is for losers.
I'm going to go play Quark III.
Eight, ten, and twelve years ago also called, saying you can have theirs.
Once bitten, twice shy. How does that apply to over a decade of history, you ask?
Not all of us just started caring about this stuff yesterday, you know.
Only if he's using C. Most other languages don't use ==
:)
if (poster.slashdotUser == TRUE)
setPoster(poster, !codinganyway);
which makes the arguement moot anyway.
If the power of the GBA compared to the GB is any indication, not that powerful at all. :P
Because windows is insecure, fool!!
(heh...I don't run a firewall on my OS/2, QNX or BeOS boxes either. Go figure.)
Did?
50 years isn't exactly a drop in the bucket. The world today is a much different place than it was then.
Do you think the US could get away with nuking a first world nations city like they did in WWII?
Do you think Germany could get away with invading a first world nation like THEY did in WWII?
Do you think Japan could get away with declaring war by bombing a military outpost attached to a city?
The truth is, if ANY of the events of WWII happened today, the countries involved would be in serious shit. Diplomatic relations and public opinion hinges on a more liberal, less nationalistic tone than it did back then, especially when first world nations are involved.
Just keep telling yourself that. I mean, there's so much that you can do with 2k/XP network-wise than you can do with 95/98! :P
Technically, there were locks on the house, and the house was marketed to you as being secure.
'course, it's our own damn faults for believing their maketing. I mean, MS has been claiming to be more secure since Windows 98, which is totally ironic, since it seems the newer the version of windows, the easier to exploit it is.
For all the hoopla, I'd sooner trust a patched, secured(no shares, etc...) Windows 98 machine on a broadband connection than a similarly patched, secured 2k or XP machine. How many of these self-propogating worms existed before 2k introduced the complexities of the NT system?
There's more to adminning than obsessive compulsive security research. Every admin I've ever met who was out there actually earning his paycheque had ten thousand better things to do than putt around slashdot or bugtraq reading up on the latest worm.
'course, this doesn't matter, since you're being self-righteous. Don't let me get in your way. By all means, keep whining. It's not like the worlds largest software company makes enough profit to start a true security initiative, starting with innovative new designs to stop security holes before they start or anything. Nope, software is insecure, period. It's our fault that microsoft can't get it right the first time. Yup.
hmmmm.... RTFM yourself. The FM sucks assholes. All Microsoft manuals suck assholes. They look thick alright, but then you realize that it's 3 pages long(1 for the manual in your language, 1 for installation instructions, 1 for warantee information) in sixteen different languages.
Hooray! thanks to the FM I just read, I now know how to say "Microsoft gives you no rights, but we have more" in 16 different languages! THANKS AC!!!
You know, I doubt you'll get any of these softies to agree with you. They don't understand the meaning of the words "MISSION CRITICAL".
There's a very, very good reason that most process control in instrumentation (in mines, factories, chemical plants, paper mills, etc...) doesn't use windows, or even x86, but usually some horribly expensive proprietary solution -- if that computer crashes, your company can lose a million dollars an hour until it's repaired. In fact, if a TRULY critical system fails at an important juncture, hundreds of people can DIE. Sure, the user interfaces are often in windows, but if that goes down, a well-designed system will shut things down if there's ever a real problem.
So don't even argue with these guys. It's like a squad lieutenant arguing with a UT2k3 fan over field tactics.
I'm no computer scientist, but if one OS is used by 90% of the world, and gets 99% of viruses, perhaps the discerning computer user should look into alternatives, rather than spending every waking moment hammering boards over the windows(metaphorically speaking, of course)?
Not every alternative OS to Windows is made by a large group of volunteer CS students either.
It'd be news to me.
I routinely keep doing stuff while updates are installing. Sure, I'm not supposed to, but I'm not supposed to do a lot of things.
I just got hit with wone of these lsass viruses a few weeks ago.
Completely patched.
My stupidity was DMZing my firewall. Stupid, STUPID.
Freinds don't let freinds open their firewalls. Not even to play video games, no matter how many processes they have deactivated.
I think the tragedy here is that most "regular power users" (ie. the folks who think that they're big shit because they can install antivirus software and change their windows desktop) probably don't realize that it's entirely possible to have a completely patched windows machine that can still get infected by a virus if you plug it right into the internet. I honestly think these things are reaching a critical mass. It'll be interesting to see exactly how that manifests.
You sure are!!
You could be doing SO much more with that much machine -- I mean....It's a PENTIUM 90!! Don't you realize how much power you have right there? It's insanity!
OK then, become president.
Don't worry, I'm watching.
We have to face facts: The kid with the fire ring was the most powerful.
Behold:
"I'm an evil head of a coropor--"
*bursts into flames*
or
"HAHAHA! I'm going to kill these baby seals to ma--"
*bursts into flames*
or even better,
"MWAHAHAHA! I'm going to destroy the rain fore--"
*bursts into flames*
Really, the others were just redundant. If you've got fire, and a love of killing people while they finish their dialog, the show is pretty short.
Fit a large scale VGA RPG with a real storyline, Pixel*Pixel scrolling(without hardware assistance), thousands of tiles(with animations), a battle system with ten to one-hundred spells and indepedant graphics for each into 3k, or even 50k.
Trust me, give a modern QB'er an old VIC-20 or C64, and the specs to do something with it, and you'll be suprised at what pops up, in terms of what such computers are capable of. In QB, however, you've got one of the slowest compilers out there with a standard library to match, and 450k of RAM to try to match dedicated hardware units like the Super Nintendo(generally speaking, SNES quality is the goal of QB developers. While 3d, end even high quality 3d graphics are possible today, the amount of work to get such a project completed is far to great for the one or two person development teams of QB to consider)
To be honest though, I think I'm wasting my breath. QB games have been developed that are absolutely on par with the "really *good* games being developed for real hardware using real languages", but I have a feeling you'd probably be the type to take the absolute cutting edge, million dollars to develop 3d game and try to compare it to a "0 dollars budget, developed on a dead language on a 486" indie game.
I'll be right here, enjoying myself immensely regardless.
In spite of how much people like to disagree with the sentiment, video games are an art form, and as such will sometimes have political messages in them. Myself, I always tend to put little shots in at current issues in my games, more because I live here and now, and not in the future or medival times where such games take place, so in creating content, I often draw from the real world.
I DO, however, find blatant they way some like to make their games totally pieces of propoganda, like the anti-MS games that litter the net, somewhat distasteful.
The difference, I think, is in the focus. If a game can manage to represent the values of it's creator without becoming a pure manifestation of those values with little else behind it, then it is nothing more than the nature of the art.
As for politics usually expressed in video games, I find that you're almost always on the very liberal, counterculture side of things. You're always either fighting, or cleaning up the mess from some corporate experiment, or government gone mad, or police forces or something. The number of games where "go out and kill the bad guys" means catching criminals seems to always be the minority.
Just my $0.2CDN
Naw, you just need to work on the presentation. Saying a phrase from another site isn't going to magically become funny no matter how much you'd like it to unless you somehow back it up. :)
Observe:
"STUPID FAT PERSON! YOU JUMP ON TRAMPOLINE CAUSE TIDAL WAVES! YOU KILL MY WHOLE FAMILY!"
Not funny, is it?
Well it's hilarious in the right context. Juvinille, but hilarious.
Eventually even old kodgers like me have to face facts and move on. Windows' DOS compatiblity gets worse with every revision, and I shouldn't spend as much time as I have trying to keep the jrpg runtime engine from imploding under the weight of the VM, so it's all being ported to a modern language in pmode with nice cross-platform lib...
VBDOS is more QB than VB, in a good way. There are libraries for object oriented RAD GUI design included, but it's infinitely more useful when you remember you have hardware access and other real-mode niceties available to you.
AH! We're both monsters!!!
but I'm positive, based on the advancements in the language and platform, that PDS was before vbdos. I've used both extremely recently, and vbdos is definitely the more advanced of the two.
If a computer programmer COULDN'T fix a modern automobile, I'd be quite suprised. The level of precision is an order of magnitude lower in an internal combustion engine+transmission than any given part of a computer. Since the programmer would have to be able to quickly pick up new concepts to stay employed, the internals of a vehicle should be a piece of cake.
On the other hand, I'm not a computer programmer professionally, so maybe it's not that way....
While ex VAX coders were involved, I'm pretty sure the base of Windows NT is actually OS/2. Windows 2000 can even still run OS/2 console programs!