If you can't set it up, you're in the minority. I've seen too many people set it up within five minutes to believe otherwise.
Also, depending on the length of time you've used Red Hat, you may be biased. RH7(.3 in paticular) is great, but in terms of pure "I have no fucking idea how to do this, but I'll do it in five minutes without documentation anyway", BeOS kicks it's ass more times and in more ways than I can count.
No, the latest versions of windows won't even boot. Try it; you'll find that you get an ugly blue screen telling you that the machine can't find the bootloader.
I'm of course talking about the portability being able to put the drive from your pentium with a cirrus logic video chipset, sticking it in a P4 with completely different hardware, and BeOS starts up without any problems, or dialog boxes, or anything of the sort -- it runs as if you had installed the software on the p4 in the first place.
No it isn't. BeOS is(was) easy. Device drivers auto-detect on bootup(so you can literally remove a hard drive from one computer and place it in another and BeOS won't give two shits), so there's no need to manage anything at all. Installation requires hitting next once(or going through a Windows setup screen, depending on whether you bought it or not--it was free for download). Installing software is just a matter of unzipping it into the home directory(which for the most part, BeOS took care of for you) or using the included package manager(which meant simply clicking on a software package and hitting next). Changing the video mode is a matter of going to the preferences tab in the BeOS menu(which had everything you needed to change there in a standard way).
BeOS was a very user freindly OS, but thanks to practices such as these ones, it never got into any OEM products(though the OEMS wanted them, but Microsoft sent their lawyers around to fix that)
All you need to do is appeal to the illiterate or guilty moderators. "oh! Social commentary after praising microsoft! That means they don't like microsoft, right?"
Illiterate moderators will assume that's what the article at the top said, and will mod it up.
Guilty moderators will look at this comment, examine their own anti-microsoft bias, and mod it up because they feel guilty that the oh-so important pro-microsoft faction is being underrepresented on slashdot.
I think some troll out there probably shit himself after seeing one of the editors give credit where credit is due. What next, believing in something more important than microsoft?!
Fuck off. Volunteer work without any tangible reward is completely different from commercial labour. If you don't understand that, maybe there's something wrong with you.
I'm angry today, and I think the whole "well those volunteers should be held to the same level as supposedly well trained, highly paid professionals, despite not asking for anything in return!!!" mentality has something to do with it. These people are giving their software away for free in almost every sense of the word(one restriction:please distribute source as well. How sad for you corporate thieves!), and you have the gall to critisize their work? You have the gall to raise their responsiblity for a free piece of software to the same level as a paid professional?
I don't want to charge for my software(first of all because nobody would buy it, but more because I want to share it with the world ), and I see something awfully wrong with the whole mentallity today which pushes people in that direction. I'm not talking about capitalism, I'm talking about jackasses who think Mother theresa was bathing lepers because she wanted to be famous, the same people who are constantly nagging and complaining -- "wah! you pricks won't make your open source commercially exploitable! We wanna steal your code, you communists! You should just sell your code to us! we deserve it more than some sort of pinko 'community'! "
The day that it's legally ambiguous to add to mankind, expecting nothing in return, the day that charity is outlawed, the day I cannot help my fellow man when he is down on his knees because I should be charging him by the hour, just in case he sues me, is the day I die. A world so cold, selfish, inhumane, and callous is a hell in which I would not want to live.
The idea is brought up occasionally on Slashdot. I don't know whether it's true or not, but apparently it's difficult and slow to get the graphics card RAM back to the motherboard. It's all tuned for output to the screen.
Not that it can't happen.
It's mapped in memory just like regular memory. At least it was last time I checked...With todays tech, who the hell knows. Maybe only the card gets to see the memory...
at least you did when redhat 6.1 was around, that's how I used to do it
Ouch! Linux moves so fast that comparisons which are five versions old are almost painful. Really. Do you realize that Windows 3.1 didn't have a standard way to switch video modes either? You'd either have to get a video card which came with such a utility, or install another driver when you wanted to change the resolution.
The latest versions of RedHat are a marvel to behold IMHO, because they are slowly moving away from the command prompt completely. They're not removing the utilities, but they are making it harder to use, because many people assume that after they learn something on the command-line, that's the only way to do it.
That's why I've been moving to using it more and more at home -- it works, and it keeps working better and better.
Yes, DOS is very stable by itself(who has ever seen a C prompt stop responding for no reason?), because there is so fraggin' little to it! Basically, it gives the coders disk access, XMS and EMS, and jumps out of the programmers way.
That's the reason I like programming for DOS, incidently,:)
hacking does't fall under consumer law. It falls under criminal law.
To put it in a way that makes sense to the impressionable out there, these execs are seeking immunity from acts of cyber-crime on regular individuals(like you...you never used napster or kazaa though, right?).
to put in a way the rest of us can comprehend, this amalgamation of corporations is seeking the legal permission to the equivilant of vigilante justice. Unfortunately, while this is generally illegal(especially when this form of 'justice' takes the form of an especially illegal act itself) for the common man, it's a-okay for a huge, irresponsible, amoral corporation to have, because they have the money to bribe the oh-so-bribable US polititans. The results of this law passing would be far reaching, possibly setting precident down a long road where corporations begin to gain more and more rights to seek vigilante justice, first on-line, but someday, perhaps in the real world.
While I disagreed with the imprisonment of dimitry, because it was due to a law which did not make sense, was immoral, and was obviously bought, the thought of imprisoning criminals who happen to be rich enough to get an exemption appeals to me.
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As usual the raving paranoids run rampant here...
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you...
people say "I seriously doubt MS would do this" for a lot of things. I call these people ignorant. Microsoft would, can, and does, and they demonstrataby done so in the past. In this case, MS has in the past hired people to sit in chatrooms and say bad things about the competition.
MS is a company with extremely loose morals, and has proven many times how little they can be trusted(think OS/2. "Oh yeah, We at Microsoft support OS/2 one-hundred percent, and plan to phase out windows, since OS/2 is such a better platform").
Granted, it's been about a year since km has been updated(though it's slowly making it towards a new release based on moz 1.0 from moz.95), that's because they actually test and debug their release software. This means that there are virtually no crash bugs in km(the only one I've found is set off by pressing my fourth mouse button, and only when the logitech mouse drivers are installed), and random surfing isn't enough to set them off (ie. running with 50 pages open at once isn't enough to kill it).
If a fast, memory efficient, but slightly out of date version of mozilla(with a skinnable and customizable interface) is what you're looking for, take a look.
I used to have a savage4, but I never got the 3d to work under Linux. I think the only 3d driver I found was commercial(ie. you pay for it, might as well just get an nvidia if you're going to dish out some cash). There were rumors of an open source driver in development, but I never got an address, and my source (s3planet.demon.co.uk) died a terrible death(of dead links and eventual closure).
about winmodems, it really depends who makes it. With rockwell/connexant winmodems, all you need to do is install the RPM. You can be up and running on the internet without a reboot.
I never got the PCTEL one to work though, but I blame that on PCTEL, considering the number of companies which showed some degree of actual COMPETENCE with their bloody driver installations!
Source only? What does this look like? Linux circa 1995?
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If you can't set it up, you're in the minority. I've seen too many people set it up within five minutes to believe otherwise.
Also, depending on the length of time you've used Red Hat, you may be biased. RH7(.3 in paticular) is great, but in terms of pure "I have no fucking idea how to do this, but I'll do it in five minutes without documentation anyway", BeOS kicks it's ass more times and in more ways than I can count.
then WTF was I using?
I don't think I'd have any problem on a 286. Just as long as I'm paid for compile time...
Use the win98 cd. It's a fully functional Windows 98 bootdisk.
Learned that one from a foiled Windows 2000 installation on a system with no floppies(I designed it that way).
I think there's some contradiction in there -- does it burn up in the atmosphere, or does it flutter to the ground like an opened newspaper?
You need to be able to boot to boot into safe mode. It stops at the bootloader with an ugly screen.
I'm talking about W2k and WXP here though. 9X tends to be better about this(not as good as BeOS though).
All the drives are set up in a standard way; it looks like it ignores the drive if it's on a different IDE controller(ie. Sis, Intel, AMD...).
It's been a pain in the ass for our Windows rollout, because we need a seperate ghost image for each type of motherboard.
No, the latest versions of windows won't even boot. Try it; you'll find that you get an ugly blue screen telling you that the machine can't find the bootloader.
I'm of course talking about the portability being able to put the drive from your pentium with a cirrus logic video chipset, sticking it in a P4 with completely different hardware, and BeOS starts up without any problems, or dialog boxes, or anything of the sort -- it runs as if you had installed the software on the p4 in the first place.
No it isn't. BeOS is(was) easy. Device drivers auto-detect on bootup(so you can literally remove a hard drive from one computer and place it in another and BeOS won't give two shits), so there's no need to manage anything at all. Installation requires hitting next once(or going through a Windows setup screen, depending on whether you bought it or not--it was free for download). Installing software is just a matter of unzipping it into the home directory(which for the most part, BeOS took care of for you) or using the included package manager(which meant simply clicking on a software package and hitting next). Changing the video mode is a matter of going to the preferences tab in the BeOS menu(which had everything you needed to change there in a standard way).
BeOS was a very user freindly OS, but thanks to practices such as these ones, it never got into any OEM products(though the OEMS wanted them, but Microsoft sent their lawyers around to fix that)
In Practice, it seems you are mistaken. BeOS used several GNU utilities (such as BASH), but they were not forced to GPL BeOS.
All you need to do is appeal to the illiterate or guilty moderators. "oh! Social commentary after praising microsoft! That means they don't like microsoft, right?"
Illiterate moderators will assume that's what the article at the top said, and will mod it up.
Guilty moderators will look at this comment, examine their own anti-microsoft bias, and mod it up because they feel guilty that the oh-so important pro-microsoft faction is being underrepresented on slashdot.
Microsoft deserves kudos for this.
I think some troll out there probably shit himself after seeing one of the editors give credit where credit is due. What next, believing in something more important than microsoft?!
Quit complaining. The lot of you deserve to be locked up for criminal conspiracy.
Fuck off. Volunteer work without any tangible reward is completely different from commercial labour. If you don't understand that, maybe there's something wrong with you.
I'm angry today, and I think the whole "well those volunteers should be held to the same level as supposedly well trained, highly paid professionals, despite not asking for anything in return!!!" mentality has something to do with it. These people are giving their software away for free in almost every sense of the word(one restriction:please distribute source as well. How sad for you corporate thieves!), and you have the gall to critisize their work? You have the gall to raise their responsiblity for a free piece of software to the same level as a paid professional?
Kiss my ass. All of you.
WHY?!
I don't want to charge for my software(first of all because nobody would buy it, but more because I want to share it with the world ), and I see something awfully wrong with the whole mentallity today which pushes people in that direction. I'm not talking about capitalism, I'm talking about jackasses who think Mother theresa was bathing lepers because she wanted to be famous, the same people who are constantly nagging and complaining -- "wah! you pricks won't make your open source commercially exploitable! We wanna steal your code, you communists! You should just sell your code to us! we deserve it more than some sort of pinko 'community'! "
The day that it's legally ambiguous to add to mankind, expecting nothing in return, the day that charity is outlawed, the day I cannot help my fellow man when he is down on his knees because I should be charging him by the hour, just in case he sues me, is the day I die. A world so cold, selfish, inhumane, and callous is a hell in which I would not want to live.
is there some crazy moderator out there who hates you?
The idea is brought up occasionally on Slashdot. I don't know whether it's true or not, but apparently it's difficult and slow to get the graphics card RAM back to the motherboard. It's all tuned for output to the screen.
Not that it can't happen.
It's mapped in memory just like regular memory. At least it was last time I checked...With todays tech, who the hell knows. Maybe only the card gets to see the memory...
at least you did when redhat 6.1 was around, that's how I used to do it
Ouch! Linux moves so fast that comparisons which are five versions old are almost painful. Really. Do you realize that Windows 3.1 didn't have a standard way to switch video modes either? You'd either have to get a video card which came with such a utility, or install another driver when you wanted to change the resolution.
The latest versions of RedHat are a marvel to behold IMHO, because they are slowly moving away from the command prompt completely. They're not removing the utilities, but they are making it harder to use, because many people assume that after they learn something on the command-line, that's the only way to do it.
That's why I've been moving to using it more and more at home -- it works, and it keeps working better and better.
Yes, DOS is very stable by itself(who has ever seen a C prompt stop responding for no reason?), because there is so fraggin' little to it! Basically, it gives the coders disk access, XMS and EMS, and jumps out of the programmers way.
:)
:P
That's the reason I like programming for DOS, incidently,
mmmmmmmmmm....real-mode...
hacking does't fall under consumer law. It falls under criminal law.
To put it in a way that makes sense to the impressionable out there, these execs are seeking immunity from acts of cyber-crime on regular individuals(like you...you never used napster or kazaa though, right?).
to put in a way the rest of us can comprehend, this amalgamation of corporations is seeking the legal permission to the equivilant of vigilante justice. Unfortunately, while this is generally illegal(especially when this form of 'justice' takes the form of an especially illegal act itself) for the common man, it's a-okay for a huge, irresponsible, amoral corporation to have, because they have the money to bribe the oh-so-bribable US polititans. The results of this law passing would be far reaching, possibly setting precident down a long road where corporations begin to gain more and more rights to seek vigilante justice, first on-line, but someday, perhaps in the real world.
While I disagreed with the imprisonment of dimitry, because it was due to a law which did not make sense, was immoral, and was obviously bought, the thought of imprisoning criminals who happen to be rich enough to get an exemption appeals to me.
As usual the raving paranoids run rampant here...
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you...
people say "I seriously doubt MS would do this" for a lot of things. I call these people ignorant. Microsoft would, can, and does, and they demonstrataby done so in the past. In this case, MS has in the past hired people to sit in chatrooms and say bad things about the competition.
MS is a company with extremely loose morals, and has proven many times how little they can be trusted(think OS/2. "Oh yeah, We at Microsoft support OS/2 one-hundred percent, and plan to phase out windows, since OS/2 is such a better platform").
And remember, unlike a cute, friendly penguin, a Jaguar can kill a Longhorn. Crunchy! ;)
Are you so sure?
THE PENGUINS!!! EVERYWHERE!!! ARGH!!!
c-c-rash...crash? What is crash? You smash CD against rock?
.95), that's because they actually test and debug their release software. This means that there are virtually no crash bugs in km(the only one I've found is set off by pressing my fourth mouse button, and only when the logitech mouse drivers are installed), and random surfing isn't enough to set them off (ie. running with 50 pages open at once isn't enough to kill it).
Granted, it's been about a year since km has been updated(though it's slowly making it towards a new release based on moz 1.0 from moz
If a fast, memory efficient, but slightly out of date version of mozilla(with a skinnable and customizable interface) is what you're looking for, take a look.
I used to have a savage4, but I never got the 3d to work under Linux. I think the only 3d driver I found was commercial(ie. you pay for it, might as well just get an nvidia if you're going to dish out some cash). There were rumors of an open source driver in development, but I never got an address, and my source (s3planet.demon.co.uk) died a terrible death(of dead links and eventual closure).
the link to the commercial drivers
You can also download a demo above, but I'm not sure how long it lasts or what problems with it could be.
about winmodems, it really depends who makes it. With rockwell/connexant winmodems, all you need to do is install the RPM. You can be up and running on the internet without a reboot.
I never got the PCTEL one to work though, but I blame that on PCTEL, considering the number of companies which showed some degree of actual COMPETENCE with their bloody driver installations!
Source only? What does this look like? Linux circa 1995?