Tux racer requires a hardware accelerated Opengl driver to run at a decent speed. My 900 runs at about 5 seconds per frame -- until I install the drivers for my video card, then it runs fine. Unfortunately, the card in your computer likely doesn't have such drivers. There are only a handful of cards which do, including recent ATI and Nvidia cards.
Have to agree on this one. I've never had a piece of hardware which I needed to install drivers for under Linux which worked flawlessly under Windows. There WAS a few times where I installed a piece of hardware, and while linux just said "yeah. I've got that now. Press enter to continue.", Windows asked for driver disks(or, in more painful cases, didn't.)
The way *I* read it, the GPL is an agreement which only applies when one is releasing a derivitave of the original program. End users are free to use it, distribute it without changes, and basically treat it however you like, including selling it. The only major provisions to the GPL(of course, the controversial ones) only take effect after you've changed it.
On the other hand, even if I'm wrong, distributing the software with the source isn't *that* much of a hassle, and I only see crooks complaining about it('wah! I wanted to sell GCC with a few minor changes, close the source and make a bundle, but the GPL says I'll have to make those changes public!'. I cry a million tears for you. Really. How DARE they give the binary away for nothing, with no strings attached, and build provisions into the distribution license for the source which make it so you can't abuse it!).
Being selfish and greedy, being openly malicious and arrogant, stabbing your freinds in the back and treating your customers badly is very evil. Justification doesn't change the bottom line.
But that's just my opinion, I've been proven wrong in the past...
in integer performance it could keep up, but FP is what I was looking for. since 3dnow didn't really catch on(or speed anything other than Quake II on a voodo2 up significantly).
It would have been interesting to see what the chip was capable of at 4*100mhz, rather than the 6*66 I had it clocked to, but my old and crappy PC Chips motherboard didn't support that(or 400mhz, for that matter, I had to underclock it to 6*60mhz to run without crashes).
yeep...I just looked at the mods. If the address I gave you doesn't work, lets continue whatever conversation needs to take place on the sites board -- this just isn't fair to you. mods shouldn't take sides like that. It's nice to know they think I'm right, but three +1 interestings vs. a -1 troll? damn!
I do believe, after all the crack-addled antics I've seen tonight, I won't be posting much on slashdot any longer, if at all. There are better sites out there which allow a difference in opinion to run it's course.
Will the crack-addict moderators who modded this guys post to -2 flamebait please report to the front desk for an ass whumping? I don't agree with him(though in the days of the K6-2 I'd likely agree wholeheartedly -- I would have killed for a PII 366 to replace my K6-2 400 at the time!), but he's hardly flamebait!
I'm so sorry for interrupting the rivetting and intellectual conversation on blowing the shit out of CDs.
Get back to me(in another thread, I give up here, the "nuke this thread" defense is almost as hard to counter as the chewbacca defense) when your mind learns that a straight line is not always the most productive way to reach point C from point A(ie. life, like this conversation, is full of interesting detours, don't shut them out just because it strays from the path).
1)The vast majority of statements imply the usage of linux as a platform. Therefore, it is generally good form to accept the common usage.
2)Quake is a game which was released under linux. So are Quake III and UT(the former as a boxed item one could buy off the store shelf sans windows version). You'd have to get pretty narrow on your definition of "game" to subjectively say that no company has ever released a game for it. In such a case, the new, narrower definition of "game" would allow the new statement to be correct, but the sweeping generalization "no company has ever released a game for Linux" remains incorrect.
3)dosemu used to be a biatch to install, I'll admit that, but because you didn't use it, you can't subjectively or objectively say anything about it's functionality as a DOS emulator, merely that you failed to install it. Objectively, the program emulates DOS well enough to run those games, regardless of your own experiences trying to install it.
4)Narrowing the field to only mainstream software, both Opera and later versions of netscape are available. Objectively, there's nothing stopping an individual from using non-mainstream software in terms of functionallity, so in this case, it's not the linux platform which is forcing the user to use netscape 4, but their own stubbornness. Once again, narrowing the definition makes the new statement correct, but the original sweeping "users are forced to use netscape 4" statement is still false.
5)and I grimace because I mentioned that these were mere examples. This very example came up yesterday in a chat I was having regarding the user freindlyness of linux. Sometimes trying to use an OS means spending five minutes just clicking around the interface just exploring, but that's another matter.
6)Just another example. One that many people like the echo. You'd be suprised how many people(on slashdot) believe that no company would ever consider using linux as either a back-end or a desktop. This is, of course, wrong. Short of narrowing the definition(which makes that narrow definition correct, but the original statement still false), companies and governments the world over are considering Linux.
7) I think you'd be suprised at the number of companies which are releasing drivers. Many winmodems have drivers for Linux now for instance.(oddly enough, my rockwell modem works far better under Linux than under Windows, as does my Geforce 4)
8) the subjectivity of the language doesn't mean that vast overgeneralizations are correct when they are narrowed later.
for instance:(these are just examples, because I don't want to dig up the article)
Linux doesn't have any graphical interface.
No company has ever released a game for Linux.
Not one piece of Windows software runs well enough under WINE to consider using day-to-day.(rather subjective -- until you see that some programs run identically to their windows counterparts, such as Quake II, which makes this flat-out wrong.)
Linux users are forced to use Netscape 4 if they want to surf the internet.
Linux has no way of changing the IP address of an interface without resorting to the command prompt.
No company would ever consider deploying Linux.
No hardware company would ever release drivers for Linux.
If I recall, he did make points such as the above(not the exact ones, mind you). There's nothing subjective about saying "$X doesn't exist under linux", or "linux doesn't have $Y", when it does exist. Saying "I don't like $Z" is a completely different matter...
Most nuclear scientists before radiation was truly understood shortened their lives significantly, but their experience wasn't negated because of it. With his extraordinary understanding of chemistry and his basic understanding of nuclear physics, he could done some real good in a professional research environment.
Yeah, and look at the linux users in the looney bin -- I shit you not, every one of them is CRAZY! Look at linux users in the taliban -- I shit you not, every one of them is EVIL! LINUX USERS ARE ALL CRAZY AND/OR EVIL!
Seriously, slashdot is NOT the best place to get a real good sampling of linux users, just as my examples above aren't either. In fact, a sampling of any group using the cesspool of saying what you think we call the internet would be a bad idea. I'd be willing to wager money that most slashdotters when not slashdotting are perfectly normal individuals. Some geeky, some normal, some even cool(yeah, probably the trolls:P).
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thousands of dollars can be saved by implementing a free solution in licences alone, in some cases, ON A SINGLE MACHINE. These costs are recurring -- upgrades can either be free, or they can be expensive. That is real, tangible money which can now be used for something more productive...like advertising on grave stones.
I'm not going to get into costs of maintinence, because those costs aren't as direct, obvious, and tangible.
Can't argue with that, I only rarely find a game which works well with my gamepad -- except for emulators, which probably don't count(but playing all my PSX games at 1600x1200 with 4Xs AA is just nice.:) )
I find that quite odd considering that it takes about 1/4 of the price of a console to get a really high-end gamepad, the likes of which won't be seen on a console any time soon.
The fact that the extensibility of the PC is so often ignored irritates me to some degree. Plugging a quality gamepad is not hard, and in some cases with USB pads, you don't even need to set anything up(except for calibrating). Personally, I'd much rather spend the 50 bucks for a quality gamepad, and hook my PC up to my TV, than spend 500 dollars for a console(plus several hundred dollars to replace the games I already own).
That's a pretty big assumption. Personally, I "upgraded" from a very stable 98lite install to Windows ME(unfortunately, NVidias TV-in driver hates 98, so barring a triple boot to RH7.3/98lite/ME, I'm stuck with it, unless I want to waste all that hardware), and in a bare install(right from scratch, since I deleted 98 before installing ME), things such as shutting down correctly would cause a lockup upon the next bootup. If Windows ME is allowed to have flaws like that, and it's users therefore "don't know how to make it work", then there is obviously a double standard concerning linux, considering the fact that I've *never* had to worry about X locking up over something as trivial as running "halt".
On the other hand, I've also had some problems in the past with Windows deciding to fubar a driver installation. given the choice between installing my rockwell winmodem under Windows or Linux, running a single RPM and being on the internet without another reboot is far preferable to MS plug and Play.
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Tux racer requires a hardware accelerated Opengl driver to run at a decent speed. My 900 runs at about 5 seconds per frame -- until I install the drivers for my video card, then it runs fine. Unfortunately, the card in your computer likely doesn't have such drivers. There are only a handful of cards which do, including recent ATI and Nvidia cards.
Have to agree on this one. I've never had a piece of hardware which I needed to install drivers for under Linux which worked flawlessly under Windows. There WAS a few times where I installed a piece of hardware, and while linux just said "yeah. I've got that now. Press enter to continue.", Windows asked for driver disks(or, in more painful cases, didn't.)
The way *I* read it, the GPL is an agreement which only applies when one is releasing a derivitave of the original program. End users are free to use it, distribute it without changes, and basically treat it however you like, including selling it. The only major provisions to the GPL(of course, the controversial ones) only take effect after you've changed it.
On the other hand, even if I'm wrong, distributing the software with the source isn't *that* much of a hassle, and I only see crooks complaining about it('wah! I wanted to sell GCC with a few minor changes, close the source and make a bundle, but the GPL says I'll have to make those changes public!'. I cry a million tears for you. Really. How DARE they give the binary away for nothing, with no strings attached, and build provisions into the distribution license for the source which make it so you can't abuse it!).
We covered the X-Box, didn't we?
Being selfish and greedy, being openly malicious and arrogant, stabbing your freinds in the back and treating your customers badly is very evil. Justification doesn't change the bottom line.
But that's just my opinion, I've been proven wrong in the past...
Real programmers don't comment!
//I don't know what this does...
//man was I stoned when I wrote that...
//I guess I shouldn't code when I'm smoking crack anymore... :)
It was hard to write, It should be hard to read!
so use comments to make it harder to read. Try to break the readers spirit.
b += (a -= b);
a -= (b -= a);
char *c;
c =(a + b) - (a == b);//I don't know what this does, but my program started working after I did it...
*c = a && b;
Reality bites. Deal with it.
Why deal with it, when all we need are a few dozen tanks, and we can have another revolution?
Ilitrate peepol ov tha werld ewniet!
Something seems very wrong about that. Great ideas don't need to come from educated minds.
Do you know what I'd do to an engineer who presented the plans for a pacepaker which is controlled over the internet?
I'd fire the bitch, then I'd inject some air into his veins to see how *he* likes heart attacks.
Maybe that's why I'm not in management?
in integer performance it could keep up, but FP is what I was looking for. since 3dnow didn't really catch on(or speed anything other than Quake II on a voodo2 up significantly).
It would have been interesting to see what the chip was capable of at 4*100mhz, rather than the 6*66 I had it clocked to, but my old and crappy PC Chips motherboard didn't support that(or 400mhz, for that matter, I had to underclock it to 6*60mhz to run without crashes).
yeep...I just looked at the mods. If the address I gave you doesn't work, lets continue whatever conversation needs to take place on the sites board -- this just isn't fair to you. mods shouldn't take sides like that. It's nice to know they think I'm right, but three +1 interestings vs. a -1 troll? damn!
I do believe, after all the crack-addled antics I've seen tonight, I won't be posting much on slashdot any longer, if at all. There are better sites out there which allow a difference in opinion to run it's course.
okay now, mod that message right back down. What part of "pseudo-intellectual" didn't you understand?
I'd swear sometimes that there are no actual moderators, and that a random number generator takes care of mods...
Will the crack-addict moderators who modded this guys post to -2 flamebait please report to the front desk for an ass whumping? I don't agree with him(though in the days of the K6-2 I'd likely agree wholeheartedly -- I would have killed for a PII 366 to replace my K6-2 400 at the time!), but he's hardly flamebait!
If I had mod points, I'd right this wrong myself.
Yargh! Sorry, can't help you.
But that has piqued my curiosity...I'll have to read up on that.
I'm so sorry for interrupting the rivetting and intellectual conversation on blowing the shit out of CDs.
Get back to me(in another thread, I give up here, the "nuke this thread" defense is almost as hard to counter as the chewbacca defense) when your mind learns that a straight line is not always the most productive way to reach point C from point A(ie. life, like this conversation, is full of interesting detours, don't shut them out just because it strays from the path).
Being a pseudo-intellectual is fun!
yeah...uh, still need a hand? :)
1)The vast majority of statements imply the usage of linux as a platform. Therefore, it is generally good form to accept the common usage.
2)Quake is a game which was released under linux. So are Quake III and UT(the former as a boxed item one could buy off the store shelf sans windows version). You'd have to get pretty narrow on your definition of "game" to subjectively say that no company has ever released a game for it. In such a case, the new, narrower definition of "game" would allow the new statement to be correct, but the sweeping generalization "no company has ever released a game for Linux" remains incorrect.
3)dosemu used to be a biatch to install, I'll admit that, but because you didn't use it, you can't subjectively or objectively say anything about it's functionality as a DOS emulator, merely that you failed to install it. Objectively, the program emulates DOS well enough to run those games, regardless of your own experiences trying to install it.
4)Narrowing the field to only mainstream software, both Opera and later versions of netscape are available. Objectively, there's nothing stopping an individual from using non-mainstream software in terms of functionallity, so in this case, it's not the linux platform which is forcing the user to use netscape 4, but their own stubbornness. Once again, narrowing the definition makes the new statement correct, but the original sweeping "users are forced to use netscape 4" statement is still false.
5)and I grimace because I mentioned that these were mere examples. This very example came up yesterday in a chat I was having regarding the user freindlyness of linux. Sometimes trying to use an OS means spending five minutes just clicking around the interface just exploring, but that's another matter.
6)Just another example. One that many people like the echo. You'd be suprised how many people(on slashdot) believe that no company would ever consider using linux as either a back-end or a desktop. This is, of course, wrong. Short of narrowing the definition(which makes that narrow definition correct, but the original statement still false), companies and governments the world over are considering Linux.
7) I think you'd be suprised at the number of companies which are releasing drivers. Many winmodems have drivers for Linux now for instance.(oddly enough, my rockwell modem works far better under Linux than under Windows, as does my Geforce 4)
8) the subjectivity of the language doesn't mean that vast overgeneralizations are correct when they are narrowed later.
It is possible for a point to be wrong, flat out.
for instance:(these are just examples, because I don't want to dig up the article)
Linux doesn't have any graphical interface.
No company has ever released a game for Linux.
Not one piece of Windows software runs well enough under WINE to consider using day-to-day.(rather subjective -- until you see that some programs run identically to their windows counterparts, such as Quake II, which makes this flat-out wrong.)
Linux users are forced to use Netscape 4 if they want to surf the internet.
Linux has no way of changing the IP address of an interface without resorting to the command prompt.
No company would ever consider deploying Linux.
No hardware company would ever release drivers for Linux.
If I recall, he did make points such as the above(not the exact ones, mind you). There's nothing subjective about saying "$X doesn't exist under linux", or "linux doesn't have $Y", when it does exist. Saying "I don't like $Z" is a completely different matter...
Most nuclear scientists before radiation was truly understood shortened their lives significantly, but their experience wasn't negated because of it. With his extraordinary understanding of chemistry and his basic understanding of nuclear physics, he could done some real good in a professional research environment.
Yeah, and look at the linux users in the looney bin -- I shit you not, every one of them is CRAZY! Look at linux users in the taliban -- I shit you not, every one of them is EVIL! LINUX USERS ARE ALL CRAZY AND/OR EVIL!
:P).
Seriously, slashdot is NOT the best place to get a real good sampling of linux users, just as my examples above aren't either. In fact, a sampling of any group using the cesspool of saying what you think we call the internet would be a bad idea. I'd be willing to wager money that most slashdotters when not slashdotting are perfectly normal individuals. Some geeky, some normal, some even cool(yeah, probably the trolls
thousands of dollars can be saved by implementing a free solution in licences alone, in some cases, ON A SINGLE MACHINE. These costs are recurring -- upgrades can either be free, or they can be expensive. That is real, tangible money which can now be used for something more productive...like advertising on grave stones.
I'm not going to get into costs of maintinence, because those costs aren't as direct, obvious, and tangible.
Can't argue with that, I only rarely find a game which works well with my gamepad -- except for emulators, which probably don't count(but playing all my PSX games at 1600x1200 with 4Xs AA is just nice. :) )
telling the OS to erase the filesystem is a little different from locking it up with a legitimate command which malfunctions.
I find that quite odd considering that it takes about 1/4 of the price of a console to get a really high-end gamepad, the likes of which won't be seen on a console any time soon.
The fact that the extensibility of the PC is so often ignored irritates me to some degree. Plugging a quality gamepad is not hard, and in some cases with USB pads, you don't even need to set anything up(except for calibrating). Personally, I'd much rather spend the 50 bucks for a quality gamepad, and hook my PC up to my TV, than spend 500 dollars for a console(plus several hundred dollars to replace the games I already own).
That's a pretty big assumption. Personally, I "upgraded" from a very stable 98lite install to Windows ME(unfortunately, NVidias TV-in driver hates 98, so barring a triple boot to RH7.3/98lite/ME, I'm stuck with it, unless I want to waste all that hardware), and in a bare install(right from scratch, since I deleted 98 before installing ME), things such as shutting down correctly would cause a lockup upon the next bootup. If Windows ME is allowed to have flaws like that, and it's users therefore "don't know how to make it work", then there is obviously a double standard concerning linux, considering the fact that I've *never* had to worry about X locking up over something as trivial as running "halt".
On the other hand, I've also had some problems in the past with Windows deciding to fubar a driver installation. given the choice between installing my rockwell winmodem under Windows or Linux, running a single RPM and being on the internet without another reboot is far preferable to MS plug and Play.