As an aside, why do candidates think they can "get the youth vote" while simultaeously attacking the TV shows, movies, books, music, and video games the youth vote enjoys and trying to get it banned?
Well, it's tough to maintain a massive dynamic list of every known web address and quickly search it, unless you're Google and have the hardware and software to do exactly that.
That said, I tend to just use common sense. It works better than most band-aid solutions like this.
I dunno. Lots of people in this story seem to accept 50% hourly wage cuts just fine, why not just reduce the effective wages too? It's not like IT is the same market it was in 1999.
Labour unions have the industrial revolution as proof that yes, companies will screw us so hard we don't know which hole they're violating if we give them the chance.
Frankly, I think it's just capitalism. Walmart gets to incorporate and gain the power from all those stores to dictate to manufacturing what will be made and how, this is no different. Workers gain power from all the other workers to say "No, I think we'll get some decent wages, benefits, working hours, and job security. Oh, and you can't hire 4 year olds. Thanks anyway."
Know who wanted workers to work as hard as they could and take home only as much as they needed for the bare minimum of life? The communists. Fuck communism. Workers have a right to use their collective might to dictate just as much as Walmart does.
Maybe mummy and daddy paid your way through rough times and you've never had to work an honest day as the easily replacable bottom of the food chain, but I had to work hard to get where I am doing jobs most people wouldn't even consider taking.
Back in those days, it wasn't "Oh, I'll take my highly qualified ass elsewhere", it was "Shit, please don't take my future away from me, I need this job, I'll do anything!", and anything is exactly what the higher-ups would demand. Inhuman hours. Inhuman working conditions. They'd fuck me on the pay, and what am I going to do? Argue? Complain? Yeah, I'm sure the folks on the welfare line-up would be a real sympathetic ear.
Folks like you and I, folks who are so valuable and rare we can dicate our terms of employment and make virtually unlimited amounts of money anywhere in the world, we aren't the people these laws are meant for. These laws are meant for the working stiffs who maybe don't have years of experience under their belts, or some godlike education, the people who are dictated their terms of employment.
Your name indicates you're a parent. How would you feel if your kid got out of college and was making 20,000/yr salaried at one of the few jobs that'd take someone with no experience, and you saw your kid worked directly into the ground for 12-16 hours a day(Or more during crunch time, maybe there's a cot in the lab), every day, making effectively less than minimum wage for painfully ridiculous hours of labour, because the boss knows damn well he or she won't be able to get another job in his or her field very easily?
Personally, I'd demand something be done to change things. I make great overtime wages, so legislation like this wouldn't apply to me in the least, but even then, I think about some working stiff getting extorted out of the best years of his or her life, and it's immediately obvious that people should be protected from opportunistic companies that would demand something like that.
Hey, thanks for that link. It's amazing to realise just how bad people had it, how hard people had to fight for the right to unionize, and how much stuff we take for granted today only exists because of the unions setting baselines.
You say that, but the fact of the matter is that MY country has to stop YOUR country from constantly trying to redraw our borders.
That's right! There's a country that the US is having a border dispute with, and you're NOT winning! What the hell is that military of yours for, anyway? You can't invade a tiny country in the middle east, you can't prevent a bunch of desert dwelling semi-illiterate chowerheads from running planes into your tallest buildings THREE TIMES, you can't even redraw the map as you want.
What exactly are your kids paying for? Your military is like the phallic sports car of the international stage; Way more expensive than you can actually afford, looks more useful than it really is, and nobody is really convinced by the act.
The best part? My country just contracts our defense to you guys for a fraction of the cost. Keep begging to God to bless you. I'm sure he'll look past the pre-emptive war against Iraq and the one you're trying to start with Iran. What's 60,000 civilians between friends?
Why not work your 37.5 hour weeks or whatever, then tell your bosses boss something like "I'm a bit concerned that my boss isn't deadline oriented enough. We made it through last time because one of our guys was pulling back-to-back 70 hour work weeks without weekends, but he was telling me he's going to scale back to saner hours. Shouldn't our boss hire enough people to do the job on time?"
The main points are, first, don't say it's you working the 70 hour weeks. Let the imaginary "some programmer" get the credit. If it's a good boss, he'll check it out and find it's you, and the idea "this person gives a crap about the future of this company" will be cemented in his head, which should be good marketing for future pursuits within the company. If it's a bad boss, at least you're not appearing to be trying to kiss ass and brag to get what you want. If it's a really bad boss, it won't appear like you're trying to threaten him or something. Really bad bosses only really demand respect. If they think they're getting respected, they're much easier to deal with.
At that point, you'll either get an answer that'll give you more insight into why things are being done a certain way which will help you talk to the right people to get things back on track to sanity, a cynical answer(Or a brush-off) that'll tell you it's time to move up the ladder again(discreetly), or you'll strike up a light bulb in his head. "We're depending on charity, people working for free, to get our product out the door! Our guys aren't going to last much longer! If they give out, we're going to miss our deadlines by as much as an entire development cycle! We need to hire a large enough team to get the work done right or extend our deadlines!"
Something like that. On the other hand, personally, I'd have to be compensated well into six figures gross to willingly work free overtime.
Seconded. Unions may not be the most fair feeling thing in the world when you're only making a bit more than the janitor, but you just have to look at this story to realise that because that Janitor is behind you when the time comes to ask for fair compensation, you can actually get paid overtime, instead of working for free.
I mean, I do control engineering at a union plant, and I make time and a half after 10 hours (I work four 10 hour work days per week), double time after 12 hours and if I get called in on a Sunday. How many of the geeks posting tonight don't make a penny after their 40 hours are done? How many are paid regular wages if they work Sunday, or routinely work 7 days a week?
Actually, there are lots of bad apples who know full well they won't be held accountable for their actions and thus rain hell upon unfortunate innocents.
Personally, I catch the women in my life all the time on their stereotypes. They don't even realise they're doing it; It's simply ingrained into our culture. I call it the man myth.
Basically, it's a hypersexualised, hypermasculinized, hyperstoic view of men so ingrained into our culture that men start to actually believe they've got to follow it, otherwise they're not "real men".
Hey, I'm not talking about men, who have their own twisted myths of women. If we were, you'd see I have great contempt for all people.
That's fine, except that the president, who rules the country, doesn't care about the law. That seems like a minor distinction until you realise he can make you "disappear".
And he has. Many people have been "deported" to Syria and other countries to be tortured to death under this presidency.
That's why I say it's so important that the government be held accountable to the highest standard.
Were there genocides of German soldiers and contractors after Nurenberg, or were the people in charge, the people who actually ordered illegal things be carried out, hung?
I mean, if every person who followed the Nazis was just as liable, then the Americans should've just nuked all of Germany and Japan, but they obviously didn't.
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As an aside, why do candidates think they can "get the youth vote" while simultaeously attacking the TV shows, movies, books, music, and video games the youth vote enjoys and trying to get it banned?
Well, it's tough to maintain a massive dynamic list of every known web address and quickly search it, unless you're Google and have the hardware and software to do exactly that.
That said, I tend to just use common sense. It works better than most band-aid solutions like this.
Ooh, congratulations! at one time you had an empire!
Do you still HAVE the US? No? India? No? Africa? No? Hong Kong? No? Australia? No?
Legendary fail.
You're pretty darn ignorant about what "blue collar" folks actually do.
I could point you to more than a couple "blue collar" instrument mechanics who are probably better coders than you are.
I dunno. Lots of people in this story seem to accept 50% hourly wage cuts just fine, why not just reduce the effective wages too? It's not like IT is the same market it was in 1999.
Labour unions have the industrial revolution as proof that yes, companies will screw us so hard we don't know which hole they're violating if we give them the chance.
Frankly, I think it's just capitalism. Walmart gets to incorporate and gain the power from all those stores to dictate to manufacturing what will be made and how, this is no different. Workers gain power from all the other workers to say "No, I think we'll get some decent wages, benefits, working hours, and job security. Oh, and you can't hire 4 year olds. Thanks anyway."
Know who wanted workers to work as hard as they could and take home only as much as they needed for the bare minimum of life? The communists. Fuck communism. Workers have a right to use their collective might to dictate just as much as Walmart does.
Maybe mummy and daddy paid your way through rough times and you've never had to work an honest day as the easily replacable bottom of the food chain, but I had to work hard to get where I am doing jobs most people wouldn't even consider taking.
Back in those days, it wasn't "Oh, I'll take my highly qualified ass elsewhere", it was "Shit, please don't take my future away from me, I need this job, I'll do anything!", and anything is exactly what the higher-ups would demand. Inhuman hours. Inhuman working conditions. They'd fuck me on the pay, and what am I going to do? Argue? Complain? Yeah, I'm sure the folks on the welfare line-up would be a real sympathetic ear.
Folks like you and I, folks who are so valuable and rare we can dicate our terms of employment and make virtually unlimited amounts of money anywhere in the world, we aren't the people these laws are meant for. These laws are meant for the working stiffs who maybe don't have years of experience under their belts, or some godlike education, the people who are dictated their terms of employment.
Your name indicates you're a parent. How would you feel if your kid got out of college and was making 20,000/yr salaried at one of the few jobs that'd take someone with no experience, and you saw your kid worked directly into the ground for 12-16 hours a day(Or more during crunch time, maybe there's a cot in the lab), every day, making effectively less than minimum wage for painfully ridiculous hours of labour, because the boss knows damn well he or she won't be able to get another job in his or her field very easily?
Personally, I'd demand something be done to change things. I make great overtime wages, so legislation like this wouldn't apply to me in the least, but even then, I think about some working stiff getting extorted out of the best years of his or her life, and it's immediately obvious that people should be protected from opportunistic companies that would demand something like that.
Hey, thanks for that link. It's amazing to realise just how bad people had it, how hard people had to fight for the right to unionize, and how much stuff we take for granted today only exists because of the unions setting baselines.
Makes me proud to be a member of a union.
You say that, but the fact of the matter is that MY country has to stop YOUR country from constantly trying to redraw our borders.
That's right! There's a country that the US is having a border dispute with, and you're NOT winning! What the hell is that military of yours for, anyway? You can't invade a tiny country in the middle east, you can't prevent a bunch of desert dwelling semi-illiterate chowerheads from running planes into your tallest buildings THREE TIMES, you can't even redraw the map as you want.
What exactly are your kids paying for? Your military is like the phallic sports car of the international stage; Way more expensive than you can actually afford, looks more useful than it really is, and nobody is really convinced by the act.
The best part? My country just contracts our defense to you guys for a fraction of the cost. Keep begging to God to bless you. I'm sure he'll look past the pre-emptive war against Iraq and the one you're trying to start with Iran. What's 60,000 civilians between friends?
If your economy is so strong, why is the Canadian Dollar (AKA the Northern Peso) stronger than the US Dollar?
Why not work your 37.5 hour weeks or whatever, then tell your bosses boss something like "I'm a bit concerned that my boss isn't deadline oriented enough. We made it through last time because one of our guys was pulling back-to-back 70 hour work weeks without weekends, but he was telling me he's going to scale back to saner hours. Shouldn't our boss hire enough people to do the job on time?"
The main points are, first, don't say it's you working the 70 hour weeks. Let the imaginary "some programmer" get the credit. If it's a good boss, he'll check it out and find it's you, and the idea "this person gives a crap about the future of this company" will be cemented in his head, which should be good marketing for future pursuits within the company. If it's a bad boss, at least you're not appearing to be trying to kiss ass and brag to get what you want. If it's a really bad boss, it won't appear like you're trying to threaten him or something. Really bad bosses only really demand respect. If they think they're getting respected, they're much easier to deal with.
At that point, you'll either get an answer that'll give you more insight into why things are being done a certain way which will help you talk to the right people to get things back on track to sanity, a cynical answer(Or a brush-off) that'll tell you it's time to move up the ladder again(discreetly), or you'll strike up a light bulb in his head. "We're depending on charity, people working for free, to get our product out the door! Our guys aren't going to last much longer! If they give out, we're going to miss our deadlines by as much as an entire development cycle! We need to hire a large enough team to get the work done right or extend our deadlines!"
Something like that. On the other hand, personally, I'd have to be compensated well into six figures gross to willingly work free overtime.
Seconded. Unions may not be the most fair feeling thing in the world when you're only making a bit more than the janitor, but you just have to look at this story to realise that because that Janitor is behind you when the time comes to ask for fair compensation, you can actually get paid overtime, instead of working for free.
I mean, I do control engineering at a union plant, and I make time and a half after 10 hours (I work four 10 hour work days per week), double time after 12 hours and if I get called in on a Sunday. How many of the geeks posting tonight don't make a penny after their 40 hours are done? How many are paid regular wages if they work Sunday, or routinely work 7 days a week?
Man, I wish our Janitors well.
Actually, there are lots of bad apples who know full well they won't be held accountable for their actions and thus rain hell upon unfortunate innocents.
In this case, someone has already won the lottery; Humanity exists. The chance that someone would have won the lottery is 100%, then.
You know, because we exist.
Arguements that start with "We shouldn't exist" always bore me.
What do we look like? Those monacle wearing, mongoid worshipping, tabloid devouring failed colonialists with bad teeth, the limeys?
We'd ask again, and be proud for doing it.
(And mods without irony sensors can byte me)
Would that mean overwriting some other poor schlub's consciousness? What'd he ever do to you?
Would that ALSO mean that there are universes where everyone who has ever existed is still alive?
Neither of those sounds pleasant.
You know, it wouldn't be cooked up in a backyard shed with fuck knows what mixed in for effect if it was legal and regulated by the FDA.
There also wouldn't be massive gangs who finance themselves soley by creating, transporting, and distributing these drugs.
That's what I'd expect to hear from a retarded YANK.
I'm happy to live in a country where we don't ask god to bless us like snivelling minions, we TELL god to keep our land glorious and free.
There's no race of "German Jew" either, but Hitler seemed to have a genocide on his hands.
I'll give you though, I used the word genocide because it was easier than typing something ugly like 'mass murder'.
Really? REALLY?
Personally, I catch the women in my life all the time on their stereotypes. They don't even realise they're doing it; It's simply ingrained into our culture. I call it the man myth.
Basically, it's a hypersexualised, hypermasculinized, hyperstoic view of men so ingrained into our culture that men start to actually believe they've got to follow it, otherwise they're not "real men".
Hey, I'm not talking about men, who have their own twisted myths of women. If we were, you'd see I have great contempt for all people.
That's fine, except that the president, who rules the country, doesn't care about the law. That seems like a minor distinction until you realise he can make you "disappear".
And he has. Many people have been "deported" to Syria and other countries to be tortured to death under this presidency.
That's why I say it's so important that the government be held accountable to the highest standard.
I'd like to hear what you think I think genocide means. I think it means the murder of an entire race.
Were there genocides of German soldiers and contractors after Nurenberg, or were the people in charge, the people who actually ordered illegal things be carried out, hung?
I mean, if every person who followed the Nazis was just as liable, then the Americans should've just nuked all of Germany and Japan, but they obviously didn't.
Have you ever BEEN 16? You'll get ridiculed because it's Tuesday.
[quote]Average salary means half are below and half are above.[/quote]
No it doesn't.
Consider the following set of numbers.
1 1 1 1 10
The average number of this set of numbers is 2.8. Obviously, half are NOT above, half are NOT below.