Just let me get this straight. I'm wrong, because even though what I said is truthful (Just click on the link to my website), I don't mean what you're telling me I mean?
No wonder this discussion has been going so strangely. You are completely bat-shit insane.
Actually, that's never been what this discussion was about. The fact that you can't even understand what I'm talking about indicates that you're in no position to be discussing this with me.
Do you realise what you've done? You've taken a statement that I've said I don't stand behind, and used the reason I don't stand behind it to supposedly prove that I don't stand behind that statement. You win an internets.
You're still missing a fundamental point, however: In Vice City, you're in a pretend city, filled with pretend people, and it feels that way. If the video game was synonymous with the real experience, then there'd be clinics full of people who played Call of Duty or Battlefield and want to get the horrors of video game war out of their heads.
A good game designer KNOWS he's designing a game that simply LOOKS like World War II, or LOOKS like a crime filled city, that if he or she designed a game a lot like World War II or a crime filled city, it would fail miserably.
Do you know why you don't have to pay any rent in GTA? Why you don't have to work a shit job bagging groceries only to pray to god as you walk home on the darkened streets because you can't afford a car that you're not stabbed by some junkie hoping to pay for his next hit with your blood? Why it's all mobsters in black mercedes benz, and eccentric high end drug dealers in classy night clubs? Because it's just a game, and the developer knows it's just a game.
Do you know why you can jump from a third story window carrying an RPG and not have your arms torn off and your legs relocated into your spleen? Why you can take round after round of machine gun fire to the chest, pick up a med-kit, and be peachy again? Why you can't make it through a level but find out that you took a bullet to the arm, that they're going to have to amputate, and your tour of duty is over? Because the story isn't the game. The game may want you to pretend it's World War II, but it know full well this is pretend, and so does the player, and that's why the player allows the fact that the game is obviously nothing like World War II besides a few beaches and gun visuals.
It's like any game. When you were a kid, it might've been nice having the fancy toys that look like real cowboys and indians guns, but in the end, your playmate isn't really trying to kill you and everyone you care for, waging a genocidal war against your race in a bid for control of the future of the continent, and you're not trying to kill him and defame his corpse for invading and defiling your ancestral home for a hundred generations. It's just a game.
I was going to pick apart your post (Thanks for assuming I'm not a moral person. Sadly, I'm a role model and symbol of virtue who gives hope to all those who hear my story that our generations dreams can come true, but nice guess) until I reached this:
So until I start seeing a rise in popularity of mods for Manhunt that turn the enemies into blocks that are destroyed with colorful rainbows and ponies, I'm not going to put to much stock in the "Imagery doesn't matter" argument.
Who said imagery doesn't matter? I hope nobody did, because if they did, we'd have to ban paintings, and we'd have to ban all sorts of movies, and we'd have to definitely ban music. We'd certainly have to ban your post, with all the references to mass murderers.
*I* said that story isn't gameplay, that the experience the player has isn't neccessarily the experience the story implies. Anyone who has ever played a video game realises this is true. When I'm playing Doom, I'm not really feeling like I'm pusing back the hordes of horrors and the sole player in humanity's last stand against the encroaching darkness while fighting back my own fears and realising my own mortality, I'm just firing my shotgun at zombies in-game. When I'm playing Xenosaga, I'm not really fighting for my life against humans who wish to kill me, I'm levelling against mobs. When I'm playing just about ANY survival horror game, I'm not REALLY a human seeing something so terrible and frightening, something out of our nightmares, something real and dangerous, that simply raising the gun and firing would mean cutting through the greatest fear I have ever known, I'm just playing a game with zombies in it, no matter how well the game manages to startle me.
If you can't understand something that simple, you're not in any shape to be discussing this. Maybe it's something you'd have to actually design a game to understand.
1. The Canada/US language barrier IS something to joke about.
2. America is founded on capitalism. If you think you should be guaranteed a job even when someone else is willing to work harder for less, go back to Russia, pinko.
What makes you think I haven't seen this video? That's where I was watching and realised the inflation/debt issue.
The way I see it, the only real way out of this hole is to get governments to issue fiat currency without hiding behind banks to do it, as you said.
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98SP2 with 98lite installed to remove Internet Explorer was the fastest, most stable, most secure, most usable operating system you could practically use until Windows 2000 came along. 2000 was more stable and more usable, but 98SP2 was still faster and more secure. It was funny, at the time, watching people deal with worms that could crack a Windows 2000 system before you could be on the internet long enough to run Windows Update to patch the holes, while sitting back on my "insecure" Windows 98 system with the netbios stuff turned off.
That'd be fine, except there isn't enough gold in the world's reserves to account for the trillions of dollars of US currency that only exist as a few numbers in a bankbook somewhere which exist as government debt.
The really silly part is that the existence of all this money causes de facto inflation, decreasing the value of American's money.
The unbearably silly part of all this is that there are actually people AGAINST paying down the debt!
You laugh, but the US dollar really is in trouble. It's a short 4-5 cents before the Canadian dollar is above the US dollar, for the first time in 30 years. At the rate we're going(In 1992 the canadian dollar was 30 cents lower than the US dollar), our companies really will be hiring illegal American immigrants.
Actually, I love that thought. I want to hire one of you to be my maid.
"Mr. Smith, if you want to live in a country, you'd better learn how to write in our language. If I see ONE MORE "color", or "honor", or even a "gray" in my paperwork, I'm sending you back to your home country, where you can die in poverty. Do I make myself clear?"
You BASTARD! Do you realise what you've done? You've single-handedly shown me how to make all the changes to explorer I've wanted ever since I first used tabs in Mozilla.
Can you even COMPREHEND the consequences of these actions? Now I'm going to get more work done faster, and enjoy it.
You son of a bitch. I hope there's an air-conditioned room in hell for you, with lots of interesting company and things to do, and no strings attached sex with beautiful, disease free women on certain days of the week.
I run corporate volume-licensed XP (It's nice having a business owner in the family), and I've turned off all the skinning.
This means, no fisher price interface, no authentication crap. Basically, I'm left with Windows 2000 in interface, but more up to date, and with a built-in firewall.
If Vista can't be made to look like Windows 2000, or the authentication crap is mandatory, I'm opting out. I had to deal with a copy of XP Home recently (Paid for, even!), and when Microsoft decided I had to ask for permission to get it going again, I very quickly entered the market for an operating system that didn't make me ask for permission to use my own hardware and software.
Again, the story is not the game. The emotional experience the player has isn't of being a dead man walking, playing as a murderer who has murdered and will murder again and like it, because the player doesn't know what that's like. It's just the masturbatory plot line Rockstar threw in to cause controversy.
Let me make this a bit more abstract to illustrate my point. What if there was a story to Tetris? Let's say you're working for the KGB and you've got to fill mass graves as efficiently as possible so they're not discovered. That's a pretty morbid story, isn't it? But if you're playing tetris, that's not really what you're doing. You're arranging falling blocks, and in the end, that's what the player is really doing.
Same idea here. They can tell you you're a monster, but in the end, you're just killing the in-game objects who want to kill you, just like in every other game since pac-man.
Not hypocritical at all. Everybody knows Bush is a career criminal who just changes laws he's breaking(Illegal Wiretapping: Not illegal if I say "not it"!), so if he gets hit hard by the RIAA, the music industry will be lucky if they get 1800s style copyright after he's done with them.
The story isn't the game There are so many examples of this in video games it's not even funny. You're not running around murdering people, you're running around killing people who are trying to kill you. The fact that some badly written and badly acted dialog tries to make it sound like you're murdering people doesn't change the fact.
If you lose the stealth kill and the person notices you, what happens? Oh, you're shot at, or beaten. Just for being around. Yeah, that's murder, all right. Just like Presidents do it.
If supplies were a problem, why not just send off the astronauts, then fire supply canisters at a velocity faster than the vehicle carrying humans, so every month or so a new supply pod comes, and we can either leave it there or have it fire a rocket to return to earth for re-use in future missions?
It seems to me that having a logistical chain set up that way would mean you could have an indefinitely long flight, more or less.
You know, the thing people don't realise is that in Manhunt, you're not really playing a murderer as such. If you just walk around, you're going to get shot at, beaten up, and killed. At least, that's what it looked like when I saw my brother playing it a couple years ago.
Typical fox news. You can NEVER escape the gravitational field. As long as there's a distance, it will affect you. The only question is how much, since the effects will decrease with the square of distance.
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Yuck. The only thing scarier than the fact that someone said that is that someone probably believes it.
Just let me get this straight. I'm wrong, because even though what I said is truthful (Just click on the link to my website), I don't mean what you're telling me I mean?
No wonder this discussion has been going so strangely. You are completely bat-shit insane.
Actually, that's never been what this discussion was about. The fact that you can't even understand what I'm talking about indicates that you're in no position to be discussing this with me.
By the way, I design games.
I think "DER TERK ER JERBS!" is universal.
Yes, it's in all caps because it's supposed to be yelling.
Do you realise what you've done? You've taken a statement that I've said I don't stand behind, and used the reason I don't stand behind it to supposedly prove that I don't stand behind that statement. You win an internets.
You're still missing a fundamental point, however: In Vice City, you're in a pretend city, filled with pretend people, and it feels that way. If the video game was synonymous with the real experience, then there'd be clinics full of people who played Call of Duty or Battlefield and want to get the horrors of video game war out of their heads.
A good game designer KNOWS he's designing a game that simply LOOKS like World War II, or LOOKS like a crime filled city, that if he or she designed a game a lot like World War II or a crime filled city, it would fail miserably.
Do you know why you don't have to pay any rent in GTA? Why you don't have to work a shit job bagging groceries only to pray to god as you walk home on the darkened streets because you can't afford a car that you're not stabbed by some junkie hoping to pay for his next hit with your blood? Why it's all mobsters in black mercedes benz, and eccentric high end drug dealers in classy night clubs? Because it's just a game, and the developer knows it's just a game.
Do you know why you can jump from a third story window carrying an RPG and not have your arms torn off and your legs relocated into your spleen? Why you can take round after round of machine gun fire to the chest, pick up a med-kit, and be peachy again? Why you can't make it through a level but find out that you took a bullet to the arm, that they're going to have to amputate, and your tour of duty is over? Because the story isn't the game. The game may want you to pretend it's World War II, but it know full well this is pretend, and so does the player, and that's why the player allows the fact that the game is obviously nothing like World War II besides a few beaches and gun visuals.
It's like any game. When you were a kid, it might've been nice having the fancy toys that look like real cowboys and indians guns, but in the end, your playmate isn't really trying to kill you and everyone you care for, waging a genocidal war against your race in a bid for control of the future of the continent, and you're not trying to kill him and defame his corpse for invading and defiling your ancestral home for a hundred generations. It's just a game.
I was going to pick apart your post (Thanks for assuming I'm not a moral person. Sadly, I'm a role model and symbol of virtue who gives hope to all those who hear my story that our generations dreams can come true, but nice guess) until I reached this:
So until I start seeing a rise in popularity of mods for Manhunt that turn the enemies into blocks that are destroyed with colorful rainbows and ponies, I'm not going to put to much stock in the "Imagery doesn't matter" argument.
Who said imagery doesn't matter? I hope nobody did, because if they did, we'd have to ban paintings, and we'd have to ban all sorts of movies, and we'd have to definitely ban music. We'd certainly have to ban your post, with all the references to mass murderers.
*I* said that story isn't gameplay, that the experience the player has isn't neccessarily the experience the story implies. Anyone who has ever played a video game realises this is true. When I'm playing Doom, I'm not really feeling like I'm pusing back the hordes of horrors and the sole player in humanity's last stand against the encroaching darkness while fighting back my own fears and realising my own mortality, I'm just firing my shotgun at zombies in-game. When I'm playing Xenosaga, I'm not really fighting for my life against humans who wish to kill me, I'm levelling against mobs. When I'm playing just about ANY survival horror game, I'm not REALLY a human seeing something so terrible and frightening, something out of our nightmares, something real and dangerous, that simply raising the gun and firing would mean cutting through the greatest fear I have ever known, I'm just playing a game with zombies in it, no matter how well the game manages to startle me.
If you can't understand something that simple, you're not in any shape to be discussing this. Maybe it's something you'd have to actually design a game to understand.
The company I work for exports TO the US, actually.
Isn't the Chinese Yuan a managed currency, pegged artificially to the US dollar?
1. The Canada/US language barrier IS something to joke about.
2. America is founded on capitalism. If you think you should be guaranteed a job even when someone else is willing to work harder for less, go back to Russia, pinko.
I'm a rarity in both countries. I can work in my home country, or I could easily get a job in the US. The guy who takes my job will be me.
What makes you think I haven't seen this video? That's where I was watching and realised the inflation/debt issue.
The way I see it, the only real way out of this hole is to get governments to issue fiat currency without hiding behind banks to do it, as you said.
98SP2 with 98lite installed to remove Internet Explorer was the fastest, most stable, most secure, most usable operating system you could practically use until Windows 2000 came along. 2000 was more stable and more usable, but 98SP2 was still faster and more secure. It was funny, at the time, watching people deal with worms that could crack a Windows 2000 system before you could be on the internet long enough to run Windows Update to patch the holes, while sitting back on my "insecure" Windows 98 system with the netbios stuff turned off.
That'd be fine, except there isn't enough gold in the world's reserves to account for the trillions of dollars of US currency that only exist as a few numbers in a bankbook somewhere which exist as government debt.
The really silly part is that the existence of all this money causes de facto inflation, decreasing the value of American's money.
The unbearably silly part of all this is that there are actually people AGAINST paying down the debt!
It's all very silly.
You laugh, but the US dollar really is in trouble. It's a short 4-5 cents before the Canadian dollar is above the US dollar, for the first time in 30 years. At the rate we're going(In 1992 the canadian dollar was 30 cents lower than the US dollar), our companies really will be hiring illegal American immigrants.
Actually, I love that thought. I want to hire one of you to be my maid.
"Mr. Smith, if you want to live in a country, you'd better learn how to write in our language. If I see ONE MORE "color", or "honor", or even a "gray" in my paperwork, I'm sending you back to your home country, where you can die in poverty. Do I make myself clear?"
You BASTARD! Do you realise what you've done? You've single-handedly shown me how to make all the changes to explorer I've wanted ever since I first used tabs in Mozilla.
Can you even COMPREHEND the consequences of these actions? Now I'm going to get more work done faster, and enjoy it.
You son of a bitch. I hope there's an air-conditioned room in hell for you, with lots of interesting company and things to do, and no strings attached sex with beautiful, disease free women on certain days of the week.
I run corporate volume-licensed XP (It's nice having a business owner in the family), and I've turned off all the skinning.
This means, no fisher price interface, no authentication crap. Basically, I'm left with Windows 2000 in interface, but more up to date, and with a built-in firewall.
If Vista can't be made to look like Windows 2000, or the authentication crap is mandatory, I'm opting out. I had to deal with a copy of XP Home recently (Paid for, even!), and when Microsoft decided I had to ask for permission to get it going again, I very quickly entered the market for an operating system that didn't make me ask for permission to use my own hardware and software.
I love how the guy who posted this story disappeared into the back of a black suburban with tinted windows.
OH SHI--
I love how reality is flamebait.
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Again, the story is not the game. The emotional experience the player has isn't of being a dead man walking, playing as a murderer who has murdered and will murder again and like it, because the player doesn't know what that's like. It's just the masturbatory plot line Rockstar threw in to cause controversy.
Let me make this a bit more abstract to illustrate my point. What if there was a story to Tetris? Let's say you're working for the KGB and you've got to fill mass graves as efficiently as possible so they're not discovered. That's a pretty morbid story, isn't it? But if you're playing tetris, that's not really what you're doing. You're arranging falling blocks, and in the end, that's what the player is really doing.
Same idea here. They can tell you you're a monster, but in the end, you're just killing the in-game objects who want to kill you, just like in every other game since pac-man.
Not hypocritical at all. Everybody knows Bush is a career criminal who just changes laws he's breaking(Illegal Wiretapping: Not illegal if I say "not it"!), so if he gets hit hard by the RIAA, the music industry will be lucky if they get 1800s style copyright after he's done with them.
The story isn't the game There are so many examples of this in video games it's not even funny. You're not running around murdering people, you're running around killing people who are trying to kill you. The fact that some badly written and badly acted dialog tries to make it sound like you're murdering people doesn't change the fact.
If you lose the stealth kill and the person notices you, what happens? Oh, you're shot at, or beaten. Just for being around. Yeah, that's murder, all right. Just like Presidents do it.
If supplies were a problem, why not just send off the astronauts, then fire supply canisters at a velocity faster than the vehicle carrying humans, so every month or so a new supply pod comes, and we can either leave it there or have it fire a rocket to return to earth for re-use in future missions?
It seems to me that having a logistical chain set up that way would mean you could have an indefinitely long flight, more or less.
You know, the thing people don't realise is that in Manhunt, you're not really playing a murderer as such. If you just walk around, you're going to get shot at, beaten up, and killed. At least, that's what it looked like when I saw my brother playing it a couple years ago.
Typical fox news. You can NEVER escape the gravitational field. As long as there's a distance, it will affect you. The only question is how much, since the effects will decrease with the square of distance.
Minimum wage is minimum wage. If you think less than $500 is bad, you should see minimum wage for waiters in the USA.
If you're going to cock everything up, make sure it's not cocked up too badly.