You raise some very good points but I think that you are looking too specifically at the OS, and not seeing the broad picture. Indeed, you are right, people want money, that is why we work. However, who is to say that commercial, even (eghad!) closed-source projects will never make it to linux? Oh, wait, they alreadyhave..
The notion of other applications -- ones that people pay for -- is what (IMHO) drives many of we "linux zealots" to say Windbloze sucks! Use Linux, it r0x0r5! Stay with me, you'll soon understand...
If we get people to migrate to linux, and by people I mean a LOT of people (like half the desktop market share) then the people that develop games, the people that develop office apps, screensavers, etc etc etc and insert your own windows-like app -- will develop these apps for linux.
That is what drives us. That is why we want the global domination. Not for status, but for the recognition that, yes, Veronica there IS another OS, and YES there ARE apps for it and most importanly, There are companies that pay hackers to develop apps for it
The kernel will forever be free, because linux is the kernel. And anything else will stay free because of the GPL, but new apps don't have to adapt to the GPL if they don't want to.
MS Suit runs back to HQ: "Hey, its not just Linux, they have something called Debian too!"
MS Suit 2: "Yeah, mine have something called Slack!"
MS Suit 3: This diseased little pac man is way worse than we thought. Quick, someone get a hold of Big Bill
Similar to the Bat-symbol, a large dollar-sign flies high in the sky, notifying Billy Boy that he needs to come out of his 1.4 Trillion dollar cave and spin some feel-good PR.
This sounds like a big scary task force of Windoze suits equipped with page after page of FUD, moving into every client they have and investigating (read: Spying) their enterprises usage. Snoop out the linux and squash it dead.
MS Suit: and this box over here, what's it running?
Joe, IT Manager: It's a debian box I built that works as a router, jabber server, and sendmail server for our engineering staff
MS Suit:(Scratches some notes in little black book of infidels) Ah, I see...
That all the marathons that are on TV didn't suck. There's only a few things on TV worth watching: the Simpsons, South Park, and Saturday Night Live.
AFAIK, there are no Jan 1st Marathons for these shows.
Seriously, who's going to watch 24 hours of Eastwood for God's sake?
Boring afternoons, hairy palms, and mice that blow
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Wow,
So apparently, this day-after-Christmas lull that has hung in the air all day here at work is also present at slashdot.org? This mouse is probably the dumbest hack I have ever seen.
Sweaty palms?
What about wiping your hands on your pants?
Face it, everyone who isn't at work (and bored out of their skull) is playing with their new (insert your xmas geek toy here) and not reading or posting to slashdot.
Taco, put the eggnog down and slowly back away from the ugly mouse hack...
that's it...slow...
All these "usage stats" are directly related to the demographic of the users. For example, there is/was a game server for TLB, an urban terror clan at darthik.com, however, I think its down now. At any rate, they had usage rates posted and more than 60% of the web surfers at darthik were linux users, another 20% or so were MAC users and the windbloze people were down around 14% with a 5 or 6% other rating. So that goes to show you that gamers and people of that mindset/agegroup/general demographic are also linux users. When you also realize that most -- if not all -- gamers are "youngsters" that tells you that in the next couple years when these gamers are going to work in industry that they will use and push the use of linux. End of story.
"The core problem with Linux is that you've got to work hard to connect USB drivers; really hard to find converters and filters to allow you to read and produce files in Microsoft Office format; and you'll struggle to find a Linux office package with anything like the quality of Office XP."
That paragraph -- the whole thing -- is total trash. First of all, you do NOT have to struggle to find a Linux office package -- EVERYONE either has Star Office or knows of Star Office. For example, SuSE 7.1 bundled it with my distro CDs, and I'm sure 20 other distros do the same. To be honest, I'm surprised this headline was accepted. Haven't we heard 2^n other articles just like this, from 2^n other idiot writers?
Linux IS a viable desktop alternative, if it wasn't I would run windows.
I wasn't much of an adcritic.com fan (in fact, I don't think I ever watched a movie from there), however, what about ifilm.com? All they do is streaming movies, and lots of it. They don't have an insane amount of ads, although, they do have enough;) So I wonder how they are still "afloat?"
Bottom line: I think someone at adcritic was a little too drunk off their 1999 profits to watch the news about the collapse of all the other.com's in time to save their own 455.
What kind of printer is it? What distro? WTF?
Come to #linuxhelp on irc and someone, maybe even me, will help you.
~zr|z3r aka xZAQx aka:nosferatu: aka... ad nauseum
Couldn't help but notice that when the SuSE installation booted, it looked for a Braille display. Something I never heard of in windows, so I'd imagine that, yes, we have some accessibility apps.
We've already broken rule #2.
Been using the Penguin since January and all the installers (with the exception of Debian) are very easy. Started with RedHat 7.0 --good install, bad OS. Then I purchased (yeah, that's right I exchanged US Currency for linux) SuSE 7.1 --Great install -- WEIRD OS. Not bad (at least not real bad) but the location of libraries, etc was non-standard at best. Now I'm on RedHat 7.2. Install was excellent! The OS is good too, with the exception of the busted 2.96 GCC, but it's not a big deal to downgrade. Your Rule 1 is the new goal.
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WHY?
What's the point in using netscape 6.anything on linux? What advantages does it have over Mozilla 0.95? None that I can see, however Mozilla has E6(that's a million) more features more than Nutscrape, erm, Netscape.
They have no idea how badly XP and Xbox are going to flop. Trust me, I've spoken with several people regarding the WPA (product activiation) and people will REFUSE to pay for it. They know how sucky it is. No one will pay for it.
The shareholder's are polishing the brass on the titanic; it's all going down
Become an electrical engineer. You can still do software engineering if you want to, plus, you'll be so busy and stressed out you'll never have the time to stop and think: "Am I having fun?"
i viewed the site with ie55 on win2k. i didn't notice tha same weird rendering as you but i DID notice bad design in general. the whole thing is tables with a LOT of extra space on the right side. it is shiny and hideous.
This article is a highly-edit version of the one in wired magazine. I read the whole thing the last time I was in B&N. Let me tell you, the guy that wrote this article is an idiot. Most of the inane points he made in the full article are moot points at best. His main beef is that linux can NEVER be a desktop competitor. He cites much of his experience on lack of experience. I wish I could remember the article better, but I recommend you all read the whole thing. This guy praises the kernel and says we should stop wasting our time developing GUI's and GUI tools. Now, it's true that the kernel is perhaps the best thing we've done (or is Apache the best thing?) but Linus himself said that kde was one of the greatest accomplishments of the year. If we quit now, and we give in to bickering amongst ourselves, we will lose. I guarantee that. So stop inner-fighting and keep cranking out those GUIs, those streaming audio and video players, all those things that make windows more convenient for the average user, because face it, we all know someone who is very computer-literate, and is aware the linux is superior, but doesn't want to run it because he/she can't play game X/watch video format Q/use telephony Y to call mom and dad over the internet/can't quite get those excel sheets to embed in those imported MSword docs quite right...and the list goes ON and ON and ON. My girlfriend is one of those people. These people like linux, they enjoy linux, but without the right tools, they will continue to simply NOT use it. Let's continue to WIN the fight.
No, I realize the list is from the last month, but this digi camera idea is a new idea and the other things on the list are also new, stupid, ideas. Don't you think they should be grouped together? Silly me, thinking logical again.
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You raise some very good points but I think that you are looking too specifically at the OS, and not seeing the broad picture. Indeed, you are right, people want money, that is why we work. However, who is to say that commercial, even (eghad!) closed-source projects will never make it to linux? Oh, wait, they already have..
The notion of other applications -- ones that people pay for -- is what (IMHO) drives many of we "linux zealots" to say Windbloze sucks! Use Linux, it r0x0r5!
Stay with me, you'll soon understand...
If we get people to migrate to linux, and by people I mean a LOT of people (like half the desktop market share) then the people that develop games, the people that develop office apps, screensavers, etc etc etc and insert your own windows-like app -- will develop these apps for linux.
That is what drives us. That is why we want the global domination. Not for status, but for the recognition that, yes, Veronica there IS another OS, and YES there ARE apps for it and most importanly, There are companies that pay hackers to develop apps for it
The kernel will forever be free, because linux is the kernel. And anything else will stay free because of the GPL, but new apps don't have to adapt to the GPL if they don't want to.
the twitching of the dying limbs of the Napster beast. The death rattle can be heard here.
It's being parsed through a CGI?
What is this, someone's way of generatig ad traffic?
MS Suit runs back to HQ: "Hey, its not just Linux, they have something called Debian too!"
MS Suit 2: "Yeah, mine have something called Slack!"
MS Suit 3: This diseased little pac man is way worse than we thought. Quick, someone get a hold of Big Bill
Similar to the Bat-symbol, a large dollar-sign flies high in the sky, notifying Billy Boy that he needs to come out of his 1.4 Trillion dollar cave and spin some feel-good PR.
This sounds like a big scary task force of Windoze suits equipped with page after page of FUD, moving into every client they have and investigating (read: Spying) their enterprises usage. Snoop out the linux and squash it dead.
MS Suit: and this box over here, what's it running?
Joe, IT Manager: It's a debian box I built that works as a router, jabber server, and sendmail server for our engineering staff
MS Suit: (Scratches some notes in little black book of infidels) Ah, I see...
Replacing his sunglasses
We will be in touch
Snaps his little black book closed and walks out
That all the marathons that are on TV didn't suck. There's only a few things on TV worth watching: the Simpsons, South Park, and Saturday Night Live.
AFAIK, there are no Jan 1st Marathons for these shows.
Seriously, who's going to watch 24 hours of Eastwood for God's sake?
Oh, now THAT's funny. Mod parent up.
Wow,
So apparently, this day-after-Christmas lull that has hung in the air all day here at work is also present at slashdot.org? This mouse is probably the dumbest hack I have ever seen.
Sweaty palms?
What about wiping your hands on your pants?
Face it, everyone who isn't at work (and bored out of their skull) is playing with their new (insert your xmas geek toy here) and not reading or posting to slashdot.
Taco, put the eggnog down and slowly back away from the ugly mouse hack...
that's it...slow...
All these "usage stats" are directly related to the demographic of the users. For example, there is/was a game server for TLB, an urban terror clan at darthik.com, however, I think its down now. At any rate, they had usage rates posted and more than 60% of the web surfers at darthik were linux users, another 20% or so were MAC users and the windbloze people were down around 14% with a 5 or 6% other rating.
So that goes to show you that gamers and people of that mindset/agegroup/general demographic are also linux users. When you also realize that most -- if not all -- gamers are "youngsters" that tells you that in the next couple years when these gamers are going to work in industry that they will use and push the use of linux.
End of story.
This guy is just shooting off his mouth...
Take this paragraph for example:
"The core problem with Linux is that you've got to work hard to connect USB drivers; really hard to find converters and filters to allow you to read and produce files in Microsoft Office format; and you'll struggle to find a Linux office package with anything like the quality of Office XP."
That paragraph -- the whole thing -- is total trash. First of all, you do NOT have to struggle to find a Linux office package -- EVERYONE either has Star Office or knows of Star Office. For example, SuSE 7.1 bundled it with my distro CDs, and I'm sure 20 other distros do the same. To be honest, I'm surprised this headline was accepted. Haven't we heard 2^n other articles just like this, from 2^n other idiot writers?
Linux IS a viable desktop alternative, if it wasn't I would run windows.
I wasn't much of an adcritic.com fan (in fact, I don't think I ever watched a movie from there), however, what about ifilm.com? All they do is streaming movies, and lots of it. They don't have an insane amount of ads, although, they do have enough ;) So I wonder how they are still "afloat?"
.com's in time to save their own 455.
Bottom line: I think someone at adcritic was a little too drunk off their 1999 profits to watch the news about the collapse of all the other
Counter Strike???
You sucka ! Be a man
What kind of printer is it? What distro? WTF? :nosferatu: aka ... ad nauseum
Come to #linuxhelp on irc and someone, maybe even me, will help you.
~zr|z3r aka xZAQx aka
Couldn't help but notice that when the SuSE installation booted, it looked for a Braille display. Something I never heard of in windows, so I'd imagine that, yes, we have some accessibility apps.
We've already broken rule #2.
Been using the Penguin since January and all the installers (with the exception of Debian) are very easy. Started with RedHat 7.0 --good install, bad OS. Then I purchased (yeah, that's right I exchanged US Currency for linux) SuSE 7.1 --Great install -- WEIRD OS. Not bad (at least not real bad) but the location of libraries, etc was non-standard at best. Now I'm on RedHat 7.2. Install was excellent! The OS is good too, with the exception of the busted 2.96 GCC, but it's not a big deal to downgrade. Your Rule 1 is the new goal.
WHY?
What's the point in using netscape 6.anything on linux? What advantages does it have over Mozilla 0.95? None that I can see, however Mozilla has E6(that's a million) more features more than Nutscrape, erm, Netscape.
Silly boy. the dragon breathes fire
Windows might be the most sold software but the amount of windows users who paid for the software is around 30%, I'd wager.
(If not lower!)
They have no idea how badly XP and Xbox are going to flop. Trust me, I've spoken with several people regarding the WPA (product activiation) and people will REFUSE to pay for it. They know how sucky it is. No one will pay for it.
The shareholder's are polishing the brass on the titanic; it's all going down
Become an electrical engineer. You can still do software engineering if you want to, plus, you'll be so busy and stressed out you'll never have the time to stop and think: "Am I having fun?"
i viewed the site with ie55 on win2k. i didn't notice tha same weird rendering as you but i DID notice bad design in general. the whole thing is tables with a LOT of extra space on the right side. it is shiny and hideous.
what a bunch of assholes...
Slashdot rejected your story because it is old news.
;)
I saw this commercial a month ago, and during sunday NFL of all places!
So sorry, don't post offtopic you troll
BTW, it is a very good commercial.
...and my karma sinks slowly into oblivion...
yeah I used to be a subscriber of wired til i realized it was like 89% advertisements and the rest was related to "business." Ugh...sickening...
This article is a highly-edit version of the one in wired magazine. I read the whole thing the last time I was in B&N. Let me tell you, the guy that wrote this article is an idiot. Most of the inane points he made in the full article are moot points at best. His main beef is that linux can NEVER be a desktop competitor. He cites much of his experience on lack of experience. I wish I could remember the article better, but I recommend you all read the whole thing. This guy praises the kernel and says we should stop wasting our time developing GUI's and GUI tools. Now, it's true that the kernel is perhaps the best thing we've done (or is Apache the best thing?) but Linus himself said that kde was one of the greatest accomplishments of the year. If we quit now, and we give in to bickering amongst ourselves, we will lose. I guarantee that. So stop inner-fighting and keep cranking out those GUIs, those streaming audio and video players, all those things that make windows more convenient for the average user, because face it, we all know someone who is very computer-literate, and is aware the linux is superior, but doesn't want to run it because he/she can't play game X/watch video format Q/use telephony Y to call mom and dad over the internet/can't quite get those excel sheets to embed in those imported MSword docs quite right...and the list goes ON and ON and ON. My girlfriend is one of those people. These people like linux, they enjoy linux, but without the right tools, they will continue to simply NOT use it. Let's continue to WIN the fight.
OMG...I was replied to by the Taco!
No, I realize the list is from the last month, but this digi camera idea is a new idea and the other things on the list are also new, stupid, ideas. Don't you think they should be grouped together? Silly me, thinking logical again.