Re:He would better read the FreeBSD Handbook first
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Also, I use eepro100 cards exclusively and they're well supported by Debian's installer (otherwise I never would've had a successful net install).
Try Thinkpad R40.
I have nothing against Debian. I like the system when it's apt-get'ed to "unstable". I really need latest packages and the FreeBSD committers make a good job.
He would better read the FreeBSD Handbook first
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using the installer, I typed/bin/bash as the shell
I could edit the passwd files
It took me over an hour trying to find on Google clues
I had to create links for/dev/dvd and/dev/cdrw
I also had to edit rc.conf to enable Samba
Further remarks:
The ports system does come with preconfigured applications, this is what I really like about FreeBSD. I don't need long time to setup things.
Instead VLC (which is a really buggy thing), better use mplayer.
ext2fs has an evil license (GPL), that's why it is not default.
I am happy with my X11-speed on 5.2R, I have 2700fps using glxgears on my P3-500.
Ports is the best thing about FreeBSD. Talking differently is typical for Linux users.
I consider FreeBSD as the best desktop ever, but I don't use Gnome2 (does not mean, I don't like it), I rather use Xfce4, which looks good and is lightweight.
I actually think that you need less experience to install FreeBSD. I recently tried to install Debian, but it failed to find my Intel Ethernet Express Pro 100, because Debian is using ancient kernels. Such things and all networking (including PPPoE) works out-of-the-box on FreeBSD.
I am using FreeBSD-CURRENT at home and I am happy with it. And sometimes I'm getting sad about how crippled Mac OS X Server got, because Apple decided to make GUIs for most things, which:
Don't have all the options, you need.
Erase your manual configuration.
Let's take cyrus-imapd, e.g.
It lacks support for group-ACLs, which is essential for bigger companies, who use shared IMAP-folders.
It does not have any GUIs to set ACLs.
Secondly, I don't like the Classic environment. It is highly unstable in conjuction with Apple-events (Applescript). I am getting "Apple Event Timeouts" all the time with Adobe's Framemaker and the error messages are not very helpful.
Sometimes Classic goes up to 100% CPU usage and I have to kill it manually. It happens mostly when one application starts another application within Classic. This happens often when VISE-installer is calling himself to install a second application, which is a part of the whole package. I managed crash the Classic-engine a couple of times, while starting Mac OS 9 applications.
Maybe you have different experience, but for me it stays a disaster, because I need the G4 sometimes. One thing is sure, the upgrade from 10.2 to 10.3 brought more stability, but that's all to be happy about.
Note that I never said that Debian is bad. This is my favorite Linux distro. I just said that you don't need Linux (except perhaps as a software developer), if you already have FreeBSD installed (it has a good emulation). And I am not using the emulation part except for gaming. I would be glad if games were ported to FreeBSD directly.
Second thing is, I just wanted to mention that FreeBSD is not older than Linux.
FreeBSD stable hasn't been out for at-least 6 months! I can tell you are lying...
FreeBSD stable is a branch in the CVS tree. I'm sure it exists longer than 6 months.
Troll, why did you say you uninstalled Debian in the first place?
When I started to use FreeBSD my previous operating system was Debian. (Until they really made me angry neglecting KDE. I have been jealous that FreeBSD has always fresh packages which I cannot find on Debian. Furthermore, I wanted to try the CLI platform, aka C# compiler.) Is it clear enough?
...obviously so because Linux is always three steps^H 3x better than freeBSD...
Now look who is the troll. How do you know that Linux is faster? Have you tried FreeBSD? I can clearly show you the opposite.
This is your preference. You want an old 15+ years operating system instead of Debian Linux?
What the hell are you talking about? FreeBSD got ten years old last month.
I am using FreeBSD stable since over a year now on my Intel-PC. I noticed I have everything I need here.
The best is, my PC is a regular desktop PC. I can watch DVDs and TV, listen to Oggs, burn CDs, chat and now I am writing this comment.:)
I have uninstalled Debian. I don't need it, because FreeBSD has got the best Linux emulation in the world. I can even play regular 3D-accelerated games with top frame rates.
I don't understand why people are bitching about FreeBSD. It is easy and even trivial to use. You can install it in many different ways. Experts mostly use minimal installs or even the floppy install.
You can choose between packages or ports, whatever you wish. There are 9000 software ports and they compile without problems. A simple 'make install' in the proper directory is enough to fetch dependencies and install the package. Most of them are pre-configured in a a way which is appropriate for many users. Before and after installation you will get further hints what to do and how to use a port.
The manpages are good. You get examples and a centralized configuration file. I don't need to mention the possibilities if you want to use FreeBSD as a firewall. And the VM is top quality! Heavy load is no problem. You can still listen to your MP3 or watch an AVI while dd'ing a harddisk.
I have used framebuffer already. It is not great. It actually IS like programming low-level. And btw, don't forget about libsvga and other libs which offer a real API to graphics without X.
Except my two applications for X, I wonder how many others there are. I think this is not much. Don't forget that You cannot rely on the fact that framebuffer is compiled-in on other machines. It is still marked as experimental and people will not use it eventually.
Linux-emulation is included in FreeBSD, so why do You need to argue about that?
Is OSS free? The BSD-kernel does not have any GPLed code except for some drivers which come from Linux (e.g. ext2fs). There is sound support in FreeBSD and in my opinion, it works nicely.
What do You mean by "proper video display"? Video output is done by applications and not by the kernel directly.
If you ARE NOT an expert, don't touch the "Custom installation"! People often cannot admit that they are newbies when configuring a system. Please choose "Standard" or at least read the FreeBSD Handbook. You NEED the FreeBSD Handbook, because it's a great document.
Use simple installation (default) and the installation is very easy. The installer mostly suggest correct settings and you don't need to do much except pressing.
The installation of 5.0-RC2 is almost equal to 4.7-stable. In my opinion the installation phase is not meant to have a complete system after it finishes. It is only for having a basic environment for adapting everything. Almost everyone will want to recompile the kernel and install further software from the ports collection.
If you know Gentoo, you should know that FreeBSD is also build from sources.
Check the FreeBSD Handbook section 21 about how to keeping the system up-to-date (e.g. cvsup). The "make world"-approach works fine and resolves all troubles by merging your existing configuration files with new configuration files (mergemaster). Many people write their own scripts to control the compilation/merging process.
Your reliable sources are not so reliable, it seems. FreeBSD is not dead and never was, because it has much which other Unixes/Linuxes don't offer.
I hope you know that Mac OS-X is based on a modified FreeBSD kernel. I like FreeBSD and I am using it as a desktop system. I don't need Linux, because it's emulated here ("emulation" means "emulation which works", not like Wine or stuff like that)
Of course it is nice to have open source. But what matters most is that companies produce drivers by themselves, too.
I am not buying any piece of hardware which does not run on my system. This is the first criteria. (The second one is this "Optimized for Windows XP" logo. If I see this one, I am not buying it. Period. But that's my opinion.)
mplayer? This is _exactly_ the application which I am excited about on FreeBSD! I can watch DVDs at 1600x1200x32 full-speed using a P3-500MHz. What do I need more? Oh, I forgot... it was also possible with the standard (nv) drivers.
Humm, well I give up. For me it works perfectly here. I had many crashes with XFree-4 with my ancient Matrox Mystique, but I haven't seen any crash so far (with my Geforce4 Ti4200).
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Try Thinkpad R40.
I have nothing against Debian. I like the system when it's apt-get'ed to "unstable". I really need latest packages and the FreeBSD committers make a good job.
You can find it here: FreeBSD HandBook
Instead of doing this:
using the installer, I typed /bin/bash as the shell
I could edit the passwd files
It took me over an hour trying to find on Google clues
I had to create links for /dev/dvd and /dev/cdrw
I also had to edit rc.conf to enable Samba
Further remarks:
The ports system does come with preconfigured applications, this is what I really like about FreeBSD. I don't need long time to setup things.
Instead VLC (which is a really buggy thing), better use mplayer.
ext2fs has an evil license (GPL), that's why it is not default.
I am happy with my X11-speed on 5.2R, I have 2700fps using glxgears on my P3-500.
Ports is the best thing about FreeBSD. Talking differently is typical for Linux users.
I consider FreeBSD as the best desktop ever, but I don't use Gnome2 (does not mean, I don't like it), I rather use Xfce4, which looks good and is lightweight.
I actually think that you need less experience to install FreeBSD. I recently tried to install Debian, but it failed to find my Intel Ethernet Express Pro 100, because Debian is using ancient kernels. Such things and all networking (including PPPoE) works out-of-the-box on FreeBSD.
I am using FreeBSD-CURRENT at home and I am happy with it. And sometimes I'm getting sad about how crippled Mac OS X Server got, because Apple decided to make GUIs for most things, which:
Let's take cyrus-imapd, e.g.
Secondly, I don't like the Classic environment. It is highly unstable in conjuction with Apple-events (Applescript). I am getting "Apple Event Timeouts" all the time with Adobe's Framemaker and the error messages are not very helpful.
Sometimes Classic goes up to 100% CPU usage and I have to kill it manually. It happens mostly when one application starts another application within Classic. This happens often when VISE-installer is calling himself to install a second application, which is a part of the whole package. I managed crash the Classic-engine a couple of times, while starting Mac OS 9 applications.
Maybe you have different experience, but for me it stays a disaster, because I need the G4 sometimes. One thing is sure, the upgrade from 10.2 to 10.3 brought more stability, but that's all to be happy about.
I know, there is Linux-emulation and it works fine, but I really prefer native games.
Anyone has information, if there is support from game developers? I don't want back to Linux.
Second thing is, I just wanted to mention that FreeBSD is not older than Linux.
FreeBSD stable hasn't been out for at-least 6 months! I can tell you are lying...
FreeBSD stable is a branch in the CVS tree. I'm sure it exists longer than 6 months.
Troll, why did you say you uninstalled Debian in the first place?
When I started to use FreeBSD my previous operating system was Debian. (Until they really made me angry neglecting KDE. I have been jealous that FreeBSD has always fresh packages which I cannot find on Debian. Furthermore, I wanted to try the CLI platform, aka C# compiler.) Is it clear enough?
Now look who is the troll. How do you know that Linux is faster? Have you tried FreeBSD? I can clearly show you the opposite.
This is your preference. You want an old 15+ years operating system instead of Debian Linux?
What the hell are you talking about? FreeBSD got ten years old last month.
I am using FreeBSD stable since over a year now on my Intel-PC. I noticed I have everything I need here.
:)
The best is, my PC is a regular desktop PC. I can watch DVDs and TV, listen to Oggs, burn CDs, chat and now I am writing this comment.
I have uninstalled Debian. I don't need it, because FreeBSD has got the best Linux emulation in the world. I can even play regular 3D-accelerated games with top frame rates.
I don't understand why people are bitching about FreeBSD. It is easy and even trivial to use. You can install it in many different ways. Experts mostly use minimal installs or even the floppy install.
You can choose between packages or ports, whatever you wish. There are 9000 software ports and they compile without problems. A simple 'make install' in the proper directory is enough to fetch dependencies and install the package. Most of them are pre-configured in a a way which is appropriate for many users. Before and after installation you will get further hints what to do and how to use a port.
The manpages are good. You get examples and a centralized configuration file. I don't need to mention the possibilities if you want to use FreeBSD as a firewall. And the VM is top quality! Heavy load is no problem. You can still listen to your MP3 or watch an AVI while dd'ing a harddisk.
FreeBSD is my favorite OS.
Yeah, that's true.
Blizzard has forced them to close. The whole project disappeared from blizzard.org and from sf.net.
Blizzard haters, subscribe below:
My applications for linux fb, of course not X!
I have used framebuffer already. It is not great. It actually IS like programming low-level. And btw, don't forget about libsvga and other libs which offer a real API to graphics without X.
Except my two applications for X, I wonder how many others there are. I think this is not much. Don't forget that You cannot rely on the fact that framebuffer is compiled-in on other machines. It is still marked as experimental and people will not use it eventually.
Linux-emulation is included in FreeBSD, so why do You need to argue about that?
Is OSS free? The BSD-kernel does not have any GPLed code except for some drivers which come from Linux (e.g. ext2fs). There is sound support in FreeBSD and in my opinion, it works nicely.
What do You mean by "proper video display"? Video output is done by applications and not by the kernel directly.
Most of the people there are saying "no!". Aren't you supposed to be democratic about this thing, too?
Europeans will be the first ones!
Does solaris or HP/UX have nvidia drivers and UT2003?
FreeBSD has got nVidia drivers and is running Linux games fine.
So what?
And the export restrictions by USA? Don't they affect the GPL in exactly the same way?
Oh man, my girl-friend will never see a love letter from me anymore, because I just say:
"I love You, I love You, I love You
If you ARE NOT an expert, don't touch the "Custom installation"! People often cannot admit that they are newbies when configuring a system. Please choose "Standard" or at least read the FreeBSD Handbook. You NEED the FreeBSD Handbook, because it's a great document.
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Use simple installation (default) and the installation is very easy. The installer mostly suggest correct settings and you don't need to do much except pressing
The installation of 5.0-RC2 is almost equal to 4.7-stable. In my opinion the installation phase is not meant to have a complete system after it finishes. It is only for having a basic environment for adapting everything. Almost everyone will want to recompile the kernel and install further software from the ports collection.
If you know Gentoo, you should know that FreeBSD is also build from sources.
Check the FreeBSD Handbook section 21 about how to keeping the system up-to-date (e.g. cvsup). The "make world"-approach works fine and resolves all troubles by merging your existing configuration files with new configuration files (mergemaster).
Many people write their own scripts to control the compilation/merging process.
Your reliable sources are not so reliable, it seems. FreeBSD is not dead and never was, because it has much which other Unixes/Linuxes don't offer.
I hope you know that Mac OS-X is based on a modified FreeBSD kernel. I like FreeBSD and I am using it as a desktop system. I don't need Linux, because it's emulated here ("emulation" means "emulation which works", not like Wine or stuff like that)
Debian is dead. It's not moving at all.
We are getting one release in 2 years.
FreeBSD has released 4.7 on October 10th, so they are moving very fast, in my opinion.
Yay! Finally! FreeBSD rules!
No. That's sound _input_. What You need is to grab the output by emulating /dev/dsp and pretending to be a real sound device.
I wonder how long it takes until someone gets the idea of grabbing the sound and storing it again without any restrictions.
Of course it is nice to have open source. But what matters most is that companies produce drivers by themselves, too.
I am not buying any piece of hardware which does not run on my system. This is the first criteria. (The second one is this "Optimized for Windows XP" logo. If I see this one, I am not buying it. Period. But that's my opinion.)
What do You mean by THAT?
mplayer? This is _exactly_ the application which I am excited about on FreeBSD! I can watch DVDs at 1600x1200x32 full-speed using a P3-500MHz. What do I need more? Oh, I forgot... it was also possible with the standard (nv) drivers.
Humm, well I give up. For me it works perfectly here. I had many crashes with XFree-4 with my ancient Matrox Mystique, but I haven't seen any crash so far (with my Geforce4 Ti4200).