people in the UK (IMHO) would actually appreciate if everything turned out to be an ellaborate lie to the viewer
I wasn't clear. I hope it is a lie to the viewer; if it is as it claims, it is an cruel act of fraud on the victims who beleive they are going into space. If it's a lie to the viewer. it's merely stupid.
You are of course labouring under the illusion that the whole thing isn't a hoax on the viewer.
Gods, I hope so. If they're really pulling this sort of "prank", I hope the producers get sued for every penny. No, scratch thatt - I hope they get sued and then criminally prosecuted for fraud.
Gee you hold a big of a grudge don't you. 1700 years ago?...
Who says I'm holding a grudge? Simply pointing out some historical facts.
The truth is that is an excuse for people to want to remove the christian element from Christmas.
The truth is that there's not a whole lot of Christian element to even the religious celebration of Christmas. (Well, unless you want to conceed that Christianity itself is largely a conglomeration of stolen ideas and practices...it could be said that there's not a lot of Christianity in modern Christianity. There's certainly not a lot of Jeshua ben Joseph.)
No one's trying to take it away, you're free to celebrate Christmas (Western or Easter Orthodox date) or Mithra-mas or Yule or Chanukah or Kwanza or Festivus or whatever. You're just not free to ram it down other people's throats; on a personal level it's rude, on a legal level it's a religious liberties violation. But if anyone tries to stop you from putting up a creche or a menorah or a Festivus pole in your house or on your own front lawn, by golly I and my fellow ACLU members will leap to your defense.
Since holiday means Holy Day.
Don't confuse word origins with word meanings. "Tragedy", for example, no longer means "goat song". Labor Day and Independence Day are holidays, but in no way holy days. Christmas can be a holiday for people for whom it is not a holy day.
What stolen holiday? When was this theft? 1000 years ago? 500?
The Christians "stole" December 25th (and many elements of the Christ myth) from the Mithra sect of ancient Rome. About the time of Constantine, 1700 years ago.
The 25th was the Winter Soltice under the calendar of the time, and Christmas has stolen many aspects of various pagan celebrations - mistletoe, the Yule log, the gift-giving tradition.
If someone dumps toxic waste on my yard and I complain would you say "why don't you clean it up?"
Is wikipedia your site? No? Then there's no comparision to your yard.
If a known murderer is left to wander around and I ask the police to arrest him would you tell me to arrest him mysself?
There's no valid comparision between someone contributing to a collaborative text that the reader has to choose to access, and someone commiting murder.
If someone claims authority (the title of encyclopedia is a strong inherent claim of authority)why is it my responsiblity to correct them?
I think you read entirely too much into the word "encyclopedia". And always question authority. Heck, question everything.
At least with the government its this big huge target we can all see and gang up against. With Wikipedia, we're staring at a bunch of easily masked IP addresses, false user ID info and the complete anonymity (for anyone determined) of the internet. I'd take the lesser of two evils and stick with the big, mean, elitist, capitalist run governments.
The worst Wikipedia can do is call you a chicken fucker, and you can very easily erase that insult.
The worst the government can do is disappear you, torture you, or kill you. If you try to "gang up" on it, odds are very good that at the very least you will be herded into a cage at gunpoint.
Pardon me if I find the notion that the government is "the lesser of two evils" in comparison with a website, an incredible conclusion.
Unless ther is some sort of colaps in mankind and all documents or the ability to read them become lost modern religions should still be around.
It's doubtful that Homo sapiens will still be here in one million years - genus Homo will either have gone extinct or our descendents will be so changed as to no longer be the same species.
But if there are humans around in 1,002,005 C.E., current religions will probably be looked on the same way we look at primitive Neanderthal shamanism.
Christianity is a continuation of jewism while the muslim religion is sort of a combination of both. All three encompass the majority of the religous base existing.
"Jewism"? Judaism is the word you want. Christianity is very distinct from Judaism and it is a major distortion to call it a "continuation". Islam (not "the muslim religion") is in no way a "combination" of Judaism and Christianity. The three paths share common history dating back to the ancient Hebrew Yaweh cult, but common history does not make one a "continuation" of the other.
Please allow me to recommend Huston Smith's book "The World's Religions".
You talk about Christianity being a circus. A large part of that is just fighting back. Christians are under attack even hear on Slashdot.
Oh, pity the poor Christians of America, making up only 80% of the population...especially as they fight to be allowed to recognize their holdiday of "Christ Mass" (even if it is a stolen holiday).
Sorry, but this "Christians are under attack" shtick got old a long time ago. It sounds like too many Christians just aren't happy unless they're being persecuted (guess maybe that's a hazard of path built around a story of a human sacrifice).
Prequels are fine, but series should read in the order of creation. A pox on authors who would engage in revisionist histories. (That means you too, Lucas!)
I must say it reminds me a lot of Arthur C. Clarke's "The City and the Stars"....it may bring you to ask yourself more questions about immortality, eternal memories, constrained societies and whatnot. Plus, Clarke's book is required reading for any self-respecting sci-fi reader anyway:)
That sounds like an...odd...comparison to me. But yes, everyone should read that Clarke story.
If you can find it, read the original novella, Against the Fall of Night. I found that The City and the Stars didn't really add anything, and the original version was more direct and compact.
The Clark/Benford book Beyond the Fall of Night, where Benford continues Clarke's story, was IMHO disappointing.
Given this, if the sender and receiver consistently share the values they measure for the current at each step, over a public channel, they give away no information, but if there is an eavesdropper, they discover him/her immediately.
Ah. So if the sender and receiver and receiver already have a reliable method of communication, they can use that to prevent eavesdropping on this new channel.
Now, how do they get this reliable method of communication to check current measurements with each other, that is secure against a man-in-the-middle attack?
So, if you want one of those whiz-bang features like password recovery, it has to be encrypted or encoded, not hashed.
Which is why password recovery isn't a "whiz-bang" feature, and is not what you want if you want security.
You want password resetting - if you forget your password, authenticate yourself out-of-band to an administrator who
resets it to some gobbletygook value and gives you the new one. You log in with the gobbletygook value, and change your password to something you can remember this time.
Note that with resetting, even the administrator does not know your password, and therefore (on a well-desgined system) cannot impersonate you.
I think it might be to protect the song writers as they don't perform or record songs, but I agree, this is stupid.
Song writeres get royalties when amateur muscians - such as me - play their music at the local bar. Or when pros cover their songs in concert or on a recording.
Where do amateur muscians often learn the words and chords to songs? The net. Making it easier for musicians to learn songs helps songwriters.
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Many people will suggest otherwise, but they are often those who lack a formal education and background in designing secure, scalable, high-reliability software systems.
I have an M.S. in Computer Science, spent my first three years as a professional developer working on the development of a secure (TCSEC B3 targeted) operating system, then another year and a half on a firewall project based on a secure OS. I've also worked in the telecom and space sciences fields for well-known companies such as Hughes, IBM, and TRW, designing and developing secure and reliable software. These days I work for a small company, still doing my best to design and develop secure and reliable software - now in PHP.
I don't claim to be a security expert - I've met someoftheexperts and they're far beyond where I'll ever be on the topic. But I certainly don't fit your description of uneducated or inexperienced. And I find your claims wrt PHP bogus.
Taking a quick look at the http://www.hardened-php.net/advisories.15.html"> advisories for the "Hardened PHP" project you mention, I see 1) issues with applications written in PHP - not the language's fault; 2) people doing stupid things with the language (for example, leaving phpinfo() called in deployed scripts), which is not a language issue; or 3) addressing implementation bugs, which is no different than those found in other languages - except that with PHP we call something a "PHP bug" that in, for instance, C, would be a "libc bug".
If you've got specific claims, please, put them out. But all I see in this thread so far is vague allegations. Or maybe trolling.
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What happens is that a developer with such background evaluates PHP, and sees that it is completely lacking with respect to security.
In what way? Failing to check inputs before passing them on to a database or other module is an application, not a language, problem. You claim that there are "numerous security issues found in PHP" - please, describe them. I haven't found it to be any more insecure by nature than C, C++, Perl, etcetera...indeed I'd say it's easier to write reasonably secure code in PHP than in C or C++.
A copyright protects only the distribution of the work itself, not the concepts it contains. EA, or anyone else for that matter, is prohibited by copyright law to duplicate the work and distribute it, but that doesn't stop them from reading it and creating a new work on their own.
Copyright protects the creation of "derivatve works". It's why you can't read, say, Snow Crash and then go create a videogame where players take on the role of Hiro Protagonist without Neal Stephenson's permission. You can't use Hiro, the Metaverse, et cetera without creating a derivative work, so yes, in that sense copyright can sometimes protect concepts contained in a work.
Creating a game, allegedly based on the ideas they read in the design doc, is NOT a derivative work.
Depends on what's in that document and what's in the game. Have you compared them?
It's not just that it opposes religious teaching, but that it appears to promote a selfish, self-centred (or, if they're more sophisticated, gene-centred) teaching in its place.
Contrary to "social Darwinists" who have attempted to use poor ol' Chuck as an apology for all sorts of exploitation, Darwinism has no more to do with morality than Newtonian mechanics or the Copurnican solar system.
(In fact some of the greatest advancements in reproductive success come from cooperation, from the marriage of eukaryote and mitochrondria to pack/tribe behavior in mammals, including humans.)
So did this loser ever copyright or patent the idea?
Copyright protection applies as soon as the work is set down in a fixed medium (written, recorded, drawn, whatever). If he wrote his ideas down prior to this meeting with EA, they're protected by copyright, and he may have a case that the game is a derivative work.
and it's certainly no test of someone's faith to ask them to post the Beatitudes (since anyone could look them up).
It's more useful IRL conversations, obviously.
As for your assertions regarding the origins of bibical stories, it sounds like you probably subscribe to much of what Joseph Campbell wrote/taught? Or are you more of a devotee to Barbara Thiering?
Not familiar with Thiering; a quick Googling shows her to be a (maybe the main?) advocate of a theory about a hidden story in the Dead Sea scrolls. I have encountered some elements of this idea before, they are interesting but I'm not enough of an antiquities scholar to evaluate the claims. I do think the fact that Jeshua was David's lineal descendent (discounting of course the "virgin birth" element of the myth) puts the whole story in a different light, that he wasn't some nameless nobody but a potential heir to the throne of a conquered people, no wonder people were looking to him for salvation (from the Romans, not from "sin"). But that's right there in the Gospels ("and whats-his-face begat whoever..."). It's just overlooked, not a secret teaching.
I've read only a little Campbell, enough to say that I'm in general agreement with his basic idea of the power of story and myth in human society, and that certain themes are repeated across cultures.
(Lately I've been coming at that from more of a Zen Buddhist meets cognitive science perspective, considering the Dhamapada's teaching that "All things are made by mind" next to the idea of the brain as a storytelling machine (such as Julian Jaynes' definition of consciousness as the narratization process in a mind-space), and how consciousness might be shaped by the "ur-stories" we absorb from our culture.)
Now: what does that have to do with the fact that early Christians stole story elements from older groups?
I also would say that to paint all of Christianity with the brush of Catholic beliefs is unwise.
I don't; I know Christians ranging from Quakers (some of whom are also Pagans) to AME. I merely point out that to claim that someone who spent his childhood in a one of the larger Christian denominations, was indeed an altar boy and even considered the priesthood as a boy, to claim that such a person knows nothing about Christianity is...irksome, to say the least. Seen it, been there, done that, sang the songs, prayed the prayers, thought about it, said "nope, not for me", started hacking my own Zen Pagan Taoist Atheist Discordian path up the hill.
Yeah, I really profit alot in this world for everyone that I tell the message of Christ....it's a wonderful scam and it makes all of us ordinary Christians so rich!
A lot of victims of MLM marketing schemes don't profit much in reality - it's the promise of a reward to come that draws them on.
The question isn't whether you profit, it's whether you believe you'll profit. If you believe in some sort of "life after death" where you'll reap your reward, same thing. You're the one who said the gatekeeper to paradise demanded that you "spread the word". What, admission to paradise isn't profiting?
Sure...we stole it from...uhhhh...oh yeah, the Jews!
It's well known that early Christians stole themes from Mithraism to build their myth: tweleve apostles, the "virgin birth" thing, the death and resurrection, the bread and wine, a last supper, the "Light of the World", the "savior" gimmick, and the December 25 birthday (even the visits by shepherds and Magi).
Now I've got no problem with that; we Neopagans steal from any source that doesn't run away fast enough. All writers steal; a good story is a good story, and the founders of the Jeshua cult knew their stuff.
Problem is when you steal a story and then pretend you were completely original - indeed, that your story is the only one that matters. And it does kind of make me sad for the real Jeshua ben Jospeh, who (from the glimpes that show though) seemed like a decent guy.
Tell you what, when you want to learn a little bit about Christianity let me know. Oh, you wouldn't dare ask anyone that actually is one.
Was raised Catholic, thanks, know plenty about Christianity.
If all pr0n sites were.xxx, then I could easily prevent most such material from getting to my computer.
Uh, web sites don't load themselves, you know. You have to click on links or type stuff in, you know. It doesn't just "get to your computer".
But the big problem is, as always, who gets to decide what constituted pornography? Is the Kama Sutra porn? Descriptions of Taoist sexual yoga? Viagra ads? Are anatomy texts that show genitals porn?
Pr0n is the single largest addiction in the US.
Only if you re-define "addiction" to make it a meaningless term.
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I wasn't clear. I hope it is a lie to the viewer; if it is as it claims, it is an cruel act of fraud on the victims who beleive they are going into space. If it's a lie to the viewer. it's merely stupid.
Oh, bullshit. Ignorance of physics is sad reflection of the state of science education, not something that a person deserves to be humiliated about.
Gods, I hope so. If they're really pulling this sort of "prank", I hope the producers get sued for every penny. No, scratch thatt - I hope they get sued and then criminally prosecuted for fraud.
Who says I'm holding a grudge? Simply pointing out some historical facts.
The truth is that there's not a whole lot of Christian element to even the religious celebration of Christmas. (Well, unless you want to conceed that Christianity itself is largely a conglomeration of stolen ideas and practices...it could be said that there's not a lot of Christianity in modern Christianity. There's certainly not a lot of Jeshua ben Joseph.)
No one's trying to take it away, you're free to celebrate Christmas (Western or Easter Orthodox date) or Mithra-mas or Yule or Chanukah or Kwanza or Festivus or whatever. You're just not free to ram it down other people's throats; on a personal level it's rude, on a legal level it's a religious liberties violation. But if anyone tries to stop you from putting up a creche or a menorah or a Festivus pole in your house or on your own front lawn, by golly I and my fellow ACLU members will leap to your defense.
Don't confuse word origins with word meanings. "Tragedy", for example, no longer means "goat song". Labor Day and Independence Day are holidays, but in no way holy days. Christmas can be a holiday for people for whom it is not a holy day.
The Christians "stole" December 25th (and many elements of the Christ myth) from the Mithra sect of ancient Rome. About the time of Constantine, 1700 years ago.
The 25th was the Winter Soltice under the calendar of the time, and Christmas has stolen many aspects of various pagan celebrations - mistletoe, the Yule log, the gift-giving tradition.
Is wikipedia your site? No? Then there's no comparision to your yard.
There's no valid comparision between someone contributing to a collaborative text that the reader has to choose to access, and someone commiting murder.
I think you read entirely too much into the word "encyclopedia". And always question authority. Heck, question everything.
The worst Wikipedia can do is call you a chicken fucker, and you can very easily erase that insult.
The worst the government can do is disappear you, torture you, or kill you. If you try to "gang up" on it, odds are very good that at the very least you will be herded into a cage at gunpoint.
Pardon me if I find the notion that the government is "the lesser of two evils" in comparison with a website, an incredible conclusion.
It's doubtful that Homo sapiens will still be here in one million years - genus Homo will either have gone extinct or our descendents will be so changed as to no longer be the same species.
But if there are humans around in 1,002,005 C.E., current religions will probably be looked on the same way we look at primitive Neanderthal shamanism.
"Jewism"? Judaism is the word you want. Christianity is very distinct from Judaism and it is a major distortion to call it a "continuation". Islam (not "the muslim religion") is in no way a "combination" of Judaism and Christianity. The three paths share common history dating back to the ancient Hebrew Yaweh cult, but common history does not make one a "continuation" of the other.
Please allow me to recommend Huston Smith's book "The World's Religions".
Oh, pity the poor Christians of America, making up only 80% of the population...especially as they fight to be allowed to recognize their holdiday of "Christ Mass" (even if it is a stolen holiday).
Sorry, but this "Christians are under attack" shtick got old a long time ago. It sounds like too many Christians just aren't happy unless they're being persecuted (guess maybe that's a hazard of path built around a story of a human sacrifice).
No. The Lion... was written in 1950. The Magician's Nephew was not written until 1955.
Prequels are fine, but series should read in the order of creation. A pox on authors who would engage in revisionist histories. (That means you too, Lucas!)
Mmmm....Suntory Boss. Dark Black. Oh, yeah.
That sounds like an...odd...comparison to me. But yes, everyone should read that Clarke story.
If you can find it, read the original novella, Against the Fall of Night. I found that The City and the Stars didn't really add anything, and the original version was more direct and compact.
The Clark/Benford book Beyond the Fall of Night, where Benford continues Clarke's story, was IMHO disappointing.
Ah. So if the sender and receiver and receiver already have a reliable method of communication, they can use that to prevent eavesdropping on this new channel.
Now, how do they get this reliable method of communication to check current measurements with each other, that is secure against a man-in-the-middle attack?
Which is why password recovery isn't a "whiz-bang" feature, and is not what you want if you want security.
You want password resetting - if you forget your password, authenticate yourself out-of-band to an administrator who resets it to some gobbletygook value and gives you the new one. You log in with the gobbletygook value, and change your password to something you can remember this time.
Note that with resetting, even the administrator does not know your password, and therefore (on a well-desgined system) cannot impersonate you.
Song writeres get royalties when amateur muscians - such as me - play their music at the local bar. Or when pros cover their songs in concert or on a recording.
Where do amateur muscians often learn the words and chords to songs? The net. Making it easier for musicians to learn songs helps songwriters.
Musicians have been fighting the publishing industry over this for over seven years. It's protectionism for buggy-whip manufacturers, no benefit for artists or creators at all.
I have an M.S. in Computer Science, spent my first three years as a professional developer working on the development of a secure (TCSEC B3 targeted) operating system, then another year and a half on a firewall project based on a secure OS. I've also worked in the telecom and space sciences fields for well-known companies such as Hughes, IBM, and TRW, designing and developing secure and reliable software. These days I work for a small company, still doing my best to design and develop secure and reliable software - now in PHP.
I don't claim to be a security expert - I've met some of the experts and they're far beyond where I'll ever be on the topic. But I certainly don't fit your description of uneducated or inexperienced. And I find your claims wrt PHP bogus.
Taking a quick look at the http://www.hardened-php.net/advisories.15.html"> advisories for the "Hardened PHP" project you mention, I see 1) issues with applications written in PHP - not the language's fault; 2) people doing stupid things with the language (for example, leaving phpinfo() called in deployed scripts), which is not a language issue; or 3) addressing implementation bugs, which is no different than those found in other languages - except that with PHP we call something a "PHP bug" that in, for instance, C, would be a "libc bug".
If you've got specific claims, please, put them out. But all I see in this thread so far is vague allegations. Or maybe trolling.
In what way? Failing to check inputs before passing them on to a database or other module is an application, not a language, problem. You claim that there are "numerous security issues found in PHP" - please, describe them. I haven't found it to be any more insecure by nature than C, C++, Perl, etcetera...indeed I'd say it's easier to write reasonably secure code in PHP than in C or C++.
Copyright protects the creation of "derivatve works". It's why you can't read, say, Snow Crash and then go create a videogame where players take on the role of Hiro Protagonist without Neal Stephenson's permission. You can't use Hiro, the Metaverse, et cetera without creating a derivative work, so yes, in that sense copyright can sometimes protect concepts contained in a work.
Depends on what's in that document and what's in the game. Have you compared them?
Patents protect inventions, not "ideas". NDAs are contracts, and have nothing to do with patents or copyrights.
Contrary to "social Darwinists" who have attempted to use poor ol' Chuck as an apology for all sorts of exploitation, Darwinism has no more to do with morality than Newtonian mechanics or the Copurnican solar system.
(In fact some of the greatest advancements in reproductive success come from cooperation, from the marriage of eukaryote and mitochrondria to pack/tribe behavior in mammals, including humans.)
Copyright protection applies as soon as the work is set down in a fixed medium (written, recorded, drawn, whatever). If he wrote his ideas down prior to this meeting with EA, they're protected by copyright, and he may have a case that the game is a derivative work.
I don't see how patent would apply here.
It's more useful IRL conversations, obviously.
Not familiar with Thiering; a quick Googling shows her to be a (maybe the main?) advocate of a theory about a hidden story in the Dead Sea scrolls. I have encountered some elements of this idea before, they are interesting but I'm not enough of an antiquities scholar to evaluate the claims. I do think the fact that Jeshua was David's lineal descendent (discounting of course the "virgin birth" element of the myth) puts the whole story in a different light, that he wasn't some nameless nobody but a potential heir to the throne of a conquered people, no wonder people were looking to him for salvation (from the Romans, not from "sin"). But that's right there in the Gospels ("and whats-his-face begat whoever..."). It's just overlooked, not a secret teaching.
I've read only a little Campbell, enough to say that I'm in general agreement with his basic idea of the power of story and myth in human society, and that certain themes are repeated across cultures.
(Lately I've been coming at that from more of a Zen Buddhist meets cognitive science perspective, considering the Dhamapada's teaching that "All things are made by mind" next to the idea of the brain as a storytelling machine (such as Julian Jaynes' definition of consciousness as the narratization process in a mind-space), and how consciousness might be shaped by the "ur-stories" we absorb from our culture.)
Now: what does that have to do with the fact that early Christians stole story elements from older groups?
I don't; I know Christians ranging from Quakers (some of whom are also Pagans) to AME. I merely point out that to claim that someone who spent his childhood in a one of the larger Christian denominations, was indeed an altar boy and even considered the priesthood as a boy, to claim that such a person knows nothing about Christianity is...irksome, to say the least. Seen it, been there, done that, sang the songs, prayed the prayers, thought about it, said "nope, not for me", started hacking my own Zen Pagan Taoist Atheist Discordian path up the hill.
A lot of victims of MLM marketing schemes don't profit much in reality - it's the promise of a reward to come that draws them on.
The question isn't whether you profit, it's whether you believe you'll profit. If you believe in some sort of "life after death" where you'll reap your reward, same thing. You're the one who said the gatekeeper to paradise demanded that you "spread the word". What, admission to paradise isn't profiting?
It's well known that early Christians stole themes from Mithraism to build their myth: tweleve apostles, the "virgin birth" thing, the death and resurrection, the bread and wine, a last supper, the "Light of the World", the "savior" gimmick, and the December 25 birthday (even the visits by shepherds and Magi).
Now I've got no problem with that; we Neopagans steal from any source that doesn't run away fast enough. All writers steal; a good story is a good story, and the founders of the Jeshua cult knew their stuff.
Problem is when you steal a story and then pretend you were completely original - indeed, that your story is the only one that matters. And it does kind of make me sad for the real Jeshua ben Jospeh, who (from the glimpes that show though) seemed like a decent guy.
Was raised Catholic, thanks, know plenty about Christianity.
BTW, I have a new rule. Whenever someone makes a big deal out of their Christianity, I challenge them to recite, from memory, the Beatitudes - the heart of Jeshua ben Jospeh's teaching. Can you? Just asking. (I do vaguely recall something in there about the meek being blessed...certainly Christianity would have a better rep if more who claim the label listened to that advice.)
Of course it is. There is no "execpt for depictions of sexual acts" clause in Amendment I.
Miller v California has about as much sound legal reasoning to it as Dred Scott v. Sandford.
Uh, web sites don't load themselves, you know. You have to click on links or type stuff in, you know. It doesn't just "get to your computer".
But the big problem is, as always, who gets to decide what constituted pornography? Is the Kama Sutra porn? Descriptions of Taoist sexual yoga? Viagra ads? Are anatomy texts that show genitals porn?
Only if you re-define "addiction" to make it a meaningless term.