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Coca-Cola's Coffee Soda

Boost writes "According to a new press release Coca-Cola is about to launch a new beverage called Coca-Cola Blak that adds real coffee to the blend. Carbonated coffee?" I imagine this will be quite different than the cans of hot coffee that makes walking around in Tokyo so delicious. But hey, cans of coffee! I'm in for one at least.

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  1. Jolt Cola? by Jotii · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, this will be their counter to Jolt Cola?

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    1. Re:Jolt Cola? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, this will be their counter to Jolt Cola?

      No. This looks like something completely different. Closer to those little Starbucks frapuccinos you can buy.

      http://www2.coca-cola.com/presscenter/img/imagebra nds/downloads/lg_blak.jpg

    2. Re:Jolt Cola? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. It's their 'counter' to Jolt Cola. Took them 20 years to come up with it...

    3. Re:Jolt Cola? by staryc · · Score: 2, Informative

      Jolt Cola just has mass quantities of caffeine. Coffee beans are technically part of the fruit group, so maybe it's their new approach to a fruity drink with out slapping another sub label on Sprite?

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    4. Re:Jolt Cola? by xeoron · · Score: 1

      Bring back Slurm from the year 3000!

    5. Re:Jolt Cola? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not quite. Regular Jolt contains no coffee, just caffeine. However, there is an Espresso Jolt Cola that comes in a green can, and if you ask me, it tastes quite foul.

      Espresso Jolt

    6. Re:Jolt Cola? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HOW DARETH YOU!!!!!!!!!! It's one of my favorite drinks, but I havn't been able to find it anywhere for the past 7 months. Damn Canada.

    7. Re:Jolt Cola? by Viper168 · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but I have to agree here. Surge rocked some serious ass.

    8. Re:Jolt Cola? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jolt actually has a product called Jolt Espresso which is a mix of Jolt cola and espresso. I first came upon this product at my university convenience store a few years ago and have been a big fan of it ever since. I assume the coke product will taste similar but it will be cheaper and easier to find. I can only find Jolt Espresso in energy drink sized cans (around 10 fl. oz.) and only at a select few convenience stores.

    9. Re:Jolt Cola? by HailSatan · · Score: 0

      They have, in a sense. It's called "Vault" and it's the same formula, with more caffeine and less carbonation.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vault_(soft_drink)

  2. Mix fav beverages? by BWJones · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Appropriate post for someone named Boost I suppose.

    Seriously though, I don't know that I want to mix two of my favorite beverages. I like my Coca-Cola (diet original).....and I looooove my coffee, Kona in particular. Sure, I'll give it a go, but I am not so sure I want to mix the two.....

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    1. Re:Mix fav beverages? by 6031769 · · Score: 1

      You might be better off sticking to Jolt for the cola plus caffeine equation.

      ... or perhaps Coke are punting for a decaf version (choke!).

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    2. Re:Mix fav beverages? by WhiteFlye · · Score: 5, Funny

      Seriously though, I don't know that I want to mix two of my favorite beverages.

      I agree. While I whole-heartedly endorse any attempt to further increase the options for the consumption of copious amounts of caffeine, this creation strikes me as appetizing as Budweiser's BE. For those unacquainted with the latter it tastes much like you'd expect a drink squeezed out of the bar rag would taste.

    3. Re:Mix fav beverages? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The product is called "Diet Coke", not "Diet Coca-Cola".

      Generally, the diet versions use the "Coke" name, while the regular versions use "Coca-Cola". Of course, Coca-Cola Zero uses the full name because it's a diet that tastes like regular! In fact, The Coca-Cola company doesn't consider it part of the "Diet Coke" line, but rather part of the "Coca-Cola" line of products.

    4. Re:Mix fav beverages? by generic-man · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sadly, Pepsi Kona never made it in the marketplace.

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    5. Re:Mix fav beverages? by BWJones · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wow...... thanks? I guess you can chalk it up to my using the brand name on this Slashdot post instead of my usual reference to most cola products as "sodas". When I go to get a Coke, it is usually referenced by going for a soda.

      Although, it's nice to know that Coca-Cola marketing folks spend time on Slashdot. ;-)

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    6. Re:Mix fav beverages? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1, Informative

      If you're ever in the northern suburbs of Chicago, I recommend the Walker Bros. Pancake House (there are two that I know of, one in Highland Park and another in Wilmette.) The food is just incredible, but more importantly they serve "Hawaiian Royal Kona" blend. Best coffee I have ever tasted, bar none. Now, I'm one of those guys that likes good coffee (I even have a real Bunn restaurant coffee machine in my kitchen) but I gotta say those guys do it right.

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    7. Re:Mix fav beverages? by luder · · Score: 5, Informative

      Just a warning. If you ever come to Portugal, never ask for a Kona: you would be asking for 'cunt'. Literally.

    8. Re:Mix fav beverages? by kaens · · Score: 1

      Personally, I think that they should just add more caffeine into mountain dew.

    9. Re:Mix fav beverages? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i live on the big island, kona side... try some Blue Sky Kona... it has a wonderful mellow taste :)

    10. Re:Mix fav beverages? by cei · · Score: 5, Funny

      I was always amused that the marketing lines were "Enjoy Coca-Cola!" but only "Taste Diet Coke!" proving my theory that diet colas cannot be enjoyed...

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    11. Re:Mix fav beverages? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't work for Coca-Cola.

    12. Re:Mix fav beverages? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean like MDX?

    13. Re:Mix fav beverages? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      What's the problem with that? As long as it's organic, free-range kona....

    14. Re:Mix fav beverages? by rasqual · · Score: 1

      RW's definitely has awesome food. One must be careful not to order the large German pancake with the hope of consuming it solo. ;-)

    15. Re:Mix fav beverages? by Belseth · · Score: 1

      Got to hit Europe for coffee. Every country I've been in had better coffee than here. Even the supposed good coffee here doesn't measure up. If you're hard core France is the place. Spain was milder but good. Starbucks drives me nuts. You can order the most elaborate drink combination known to man and yet they can't manage a cappuccino to save their lives. I personally love iced cappuccino but the last place I got a properly made one was of all places a high end coffee shop at the Burbank airport. Almost worth flying in just for the coffee. Really got to get a new machine. The Krups ones just don't have enough steam for proper foam. Just hate to dump $400 to $600 for a real machine. Add a grand or more for a resturant model. Also in Europe they tend to use sterile milk which is a little more like condensed milk. It actually adds a different flavor and works better with stronger coffee.

    16. Re:Mix fav beverages? by BushCheney08 · · Score: 1

      Is that coffee, or something else that grows well on volcanic ash?

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    17. Re:Mix fav beverages? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hee hee... "soda"

      You silly yanks.

    18. Re:Mix fav beverages? by really? · · Score: 1

      Yet, surprisingly enough, for me anyway, the Starbucks in central Vienna - the one near the opera, for example - were packed with locals, while the "local" shops had only some curious turists.

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    19. Re:Mix fav beverages? by CrowScape · · Score: 4, Funny

      So it's an improvement over regular Bud then?

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    20. Re:Mix fav beverages? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I work for Pepsi's competitive reverse engi... ahem.. research department..

    21. Re:Mix fav beverages? by SilverspurG · · Score: 1

      I think it'll work out well. Captain Morgan's Parrot Bay is a deep rich flavor with resemblance to cola undertones. Coca-Cola with coffee (don't know if I'd call it "Blak" but, whatever) would be very similar without the 80 proof. :)

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    22. Re:Mix fav beverages? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or a bycicle brand ;)

    23. Re:Mix fav beverages? by cooley · · Score: 1

      Everybody here in Indiana knows it's "pop".

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    24. Re:Mix fav beverages? by schon · · Score: 1

      When I go to get a Coke, it is usually referenced by going for a soda.

      Not a bad idea, because when you do, nobody hurts, and nobody cries.
      (And nobody drowns, and nobody dies, either. :o)

      Now I have that damn song stuck in my head. Thanks a lot!

    25. Re:Mix fav beverages? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And everyone in the rest of the USA knows indiana is a shitty backwater with the exception of three good Universities: Rose-Hulman, Purdue, IU. You midwesterners can secede pls kthx.

    26. Re:Mix fav beverages? by GeekyMike · · Score: 1

      When I go to get a Coke, it is usually referenced by going for a soda.

      Here, in Alabama (and other places in the southern US) Coke replaces the word soda/pop/cola, regardless of manufacturer (Pepsi products are called Cokes). It is kinda irritating to say, "Can you bring me a Coke?" with the response along the lines of "Sure hun, what kind?". On the other hand, it is quite impressive of Coca-Cola to have such an obscene integration of the language.

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    27. Re:Mix fav beverages? by macshit · · Score: 1

      Starbucks drives me nuts. You can order the most elaborate drink combination known to man and yet they can't manage a cappuccino to save their lives.

      Yeah, amen. Starbucks cappuccino is like... I don't know, it's like "plastic cappuccino." I guess it's that they try to stuff in more foam/milk in to pump up the volume without using relatively expensive espresso. I bitterly (haha) recall the time I asked a sbux employee to simply put in less milk/foam into my cappuccino ("Less foam please." "Ok, so more milk then?" "No, less milk too, just less everything milky." "Oh, so more foam then? You want some honey-nut sprinkles?").

      Around here another big chain cafe is Segafredo (Italian chain so better pedigree I guess), and their cappuccino is vastly superior to starbucks, so it's clearly possible to do better even in the context of a big chain. With a cappuccino from Segafredo, at least you can actually identify that it's a coffee-related product! At starbucks, this is often difficult...

      [I suppose some people like the sbux stuff because Chicago's Intelligentsia cafe offers both "traditional" cappuccino and "American style" cappuccino...]

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    28. Re:Mix fav beverages? by macshit · · Score: 1

      Yet, surprisingly enough, for me anyway, the Starbucks in central Vienna - the one near the opera, for example - were packed with locals, while the "local" shops had only some curious turists.

      Starbucks does do some things right; making coffee beverages is simply not one of them.

      For instance, despite the tackiness and banality of much of their decor (especially the "graffiti art"), starbucks store designers seem to understand how to use natural light -- I've seen several cases where a starbucks has (regretably) replaced a more unique home-grown cafe, and despite the consequent drop in product quality, the change in atmosphere was quite amazing, from dim and dark to light and airy, and (dare I say it?) inviting.

      Another point that separates starbucks (and many other chains) from some traditional cafes is that they maintain a sort of "distance" between the staff and customers, which can make people feel more free to simply sit there and relax.

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    29. Re:Mix fav beverages? by Belseth · · Score: 0

      I actually talked some one at Starbucks into making a proper cappuccino a couple of times but it's about as much fun as wrestling a greased alligator. The real one that annoys me is they refuse to use steamed milk in a cappuccino. They claim the only difference between a cappuccino and latte is the foam. The quantity of milk is the other issue. I've tried to tell them it's expresso with a shot of steamed milk and foam not milk with a little coffee for color and a shot of foam. Very few of them are real coffee drinkers and they just know what corporate tells them. The Crapuccinos are another thing. Guys it's a coffee milkshake, deal with it.

    30. Re:Mix fav beverages? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In some regions of the States soda is refered to as "coke."

      For example:

      Person A:"What kind of coke would you like?"
      Person B: "Pepsi"
      Person A: without blinking, "Here you are, enjoy!"

    31. Re:Mix fav beverages? by kitzilla · · Score: 1

      And the problem there would be ... ?

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    32. Re:Mix fav beverages? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've tried to tell them it's expresso...
      And I am telling you that it's espresso, moron.

    33. Re:Mix fav beverages? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      When I go to get a Coke, it is usually referenced by going for a soda.

      Ah, y'all must be from the South...

      :)

    34. Re:Mix fav beverages? by JabberWokky · · Score: 1
      No, you just call it 'pop'. Nomenclature doesn't much matter -- it's just a regional thing (and more proof that the supposed media homogenization of the United States is a myth). I call it 'coke', my favorite of which is ginger ale, although I quite like the non diet Cherry Vanilla Dr. Pepper. I don't much care for colas. 'Soda' sounds fine to my ears, but 'pop' is what my brother calls my dad.

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    35. Re:Mix fav beverages? by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1

      Got to hit Europe for coffee.

      You don't have to go that far - some of the best coffee in the world is grown in your own backyard. Costa Rica does great coffee, but Guatemala is my favorite. It's not just that the taste is good, it's that it hasn't been homogenised. You can get coffee in two neighboring cafes and they'll taste different.

      First time I was in Antigua (Guatemala), I just about lived on the coffee from the local cafe and their pineapple and papaya pies.

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    36. Re:Mix fav beverages? by unbeatable73 · · Score: 0

      Not only would it be rude and disrespectful, you would get your ass kicked by the vendor you asked, especially if they were male.

    37. Re:Mix fav beverages? by Belseth · · Score: 1

      Yeah you hit the nail on the head. Coffee in the US is all blends of cheap beans. The very best coffee is going to be single source. Coffee is very sensitive to moisure availible so it can vary even within a plantain given soil conditions. Envious you got the good stuff. I'd love to check out local coffees in central and south america. Blue Mountain is supposed to be the best but it's expensive and hard to come by. Most of what is sold as Blue Mountain is either not the real thing or a blend.

    38. Re:Mix fav beverages? by mr_zorg · · Score: 1
      Of course, Coca-Cola Zero uses the full name because it's a diet that tastes like regular!

      I realize taste is highly subjective, but I find Coca-Cola Zero definately does not taste like regular. The Diet Coke with Splenda is much closer than Zero is...

    39. Re:Mix fav beverages? by John+Biggabooty · · Score: 0, Troll
      I work for The Coca-Cola Company, so I am really getting a kick out of most of these replies. Some of you guys are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about. But trust me.... You don't.

      I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you don't know what you are talking about.This is how bad info gets passed around. If you don't know about the topic, don't make yourself sound like you do. Cuz some slashdotters believe anything they hear.

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    40. Re:Mix fav beverages? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, Pepsi Kona, they tested that in Philly and my friend and I tried to buy up enough to convince them to keep it. I still miss it...

    41. Re:Mix fav beverages? by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1

      Envious you got the good stuff. I'd love to check out local coffees in central and south america.

      If you're US based, it's easy to get there and phenomenally cheap to stay. We hired motorbikes in Antigua and rode to Lake Atitlan. The coffee growers there spread the berries on the side of the road to dry, and often have small roasters going in stalls off to the side. There's an amazing variety of smells and flavours. The lake is pretty special too.

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    42. Re:Mix fav beverages? by Belseth · · Score: 1

      You talked me into it, I'm going. Too cool buying fresh roasted beans from road side vendors. Worth paying the duty and shipping a selection back. Shouldn't be an issue like produce. Might get a caffine jacked tarantula hiding in the bags though.

    43. Re:Mix fav beverages? by ePharaoh · · Score: 1

      Now, I don't mind mixing Beer and coffee.

    44. Re:Mix fav beverages? by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1

      You talked me into it

      Hey, I've almost talked myself into going back! Coming from Western Australia where you can drive for half a day and not see the scenery change, Guatemala was just astonishing. We rode those hired bikes up into a volcano one day (Fuego), then to an immense market (Chichicastenango) where there were thousands of vendors cooking and selling an amazing variety of food. Then the lake, of course, and Antigua has great Spanish-colonial architecture. Then there's Flores, near Tikal where the lake is slowly drowning the town...

      Oh damn. Now I have itchy feet again.

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    45. Re:Mix fav beverages? by rmart · · Score: 1

      Well, you know, "luder" is "whore" in swedish. So, uh, *cough*, etc...

    46. Re:Mix fav beverages? by really? · · Score: 1

      Now that you mention it ... you are right; it is the atmosphere. Also, very much like McDonalds, they offer consitency. One can go pretty much anywhere and get the same, albeit shitty - from my point of view - cup of coffe. I guess there must be people who like that.

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    47. Re:Mix fav beverages? by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      Now informative posts like this is what slashdot is all about!

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    48. Re:Mix fav beverages? by Atario · · Score: 1
      If you ever come to Portugal, never ask for a Kona: you would be asking for 'cunt'.
      Not even if I really want a cunt?
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    49. Re:Mix fav beverages? by bazorg · · Score: 1

      hmmm, could it be because in portuguese "cona" is "cunt" ? Would be a certain hit here, in Brazil, Angola, Mozambique, Cape Verde, Guinea Bissau,.... that's more than 300M people...

    50. Re:Mix fav beverages? by generic-man · · Score: 2, Funny

      You forgot Portugal. They speak Portuguese in Portugal, too. :)

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    51. Re:Mix fav beverages? by indianajones428 · · Score: 1

      You think that's funny? In high school our Coke machine just said "Drink! Coca Cola"

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    52. Re:Mix fav beverages? by indifferent+children · · Score: 1

      There's a lot to be said for a "you won't love it, but you won't hate it either" option. This is especially true when travelling.

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    53. Re:Mix fav beverages? by cloudmaster · · Score: 1

      That's not a theory, it's indisputable fact. Well, I suppose someone could disagree, therefore disputing it, but that doesn't matter because they'd be wrong.

    54. Re:Mix fav beverages? by Shawn+is+an+Asshole · · Score: 1

      Especially if the kona is aged to just 18 years (or whatever the AoC is)...

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    55. Re:Mix fav beverages? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the opinion you're refuting is......? Well I got one for you, if you aren't going to make an intelligent comment about the topic, don't make yourself sound like you know about the topic. Oh ya, go fuck yourself!

    56. Re:Mix fav beverages? by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 0

      ...Coca-Cola Zero uses the full name because it's a diet that tastes like regular!

      No, it doesn't. I tried a sip of one the other day. Here's a tip for all those soda recipe makers out there. If you don't want it to taste diet, don't put aspartame in it. Sucralose/Splenda is just fine. Putting in less sugar/corn syrup is fine. Hell I'd be happy if they took the old recipe, and replaced the sugar with 75% as much sucralose. Just don't don't don't put that nasty aspartame crap in it. I mean what is the point of using multiple sugar substitutes... so you can get the aftertaste of all of them? Man that stuff is nasty.

    57. Re:Mix fav beverages? by really? · · Score: 1

      Well, I guess it all depends _why_ you travel. I would certainly not want something like that, I would rather take a chance. But, that's me, someone who is often traveliing for weeks, or even months, at a time without ever making a reservation. I go places because I want to experience the "native" life, with all its good and bad points.

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    58. Re:Mix fav beverages? by SCVirus · · Score: 0

      That would explain a few things...

  3. Ä, not A by Jotii · · Score: 2, Informative

    According to the article, the name is BlÄk, not BlAk.

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    1. Re:Ä, not A by Azrael43 · · Score: 1

      Actually it's not. It's an A with a straight line above it (which I can't find the HTML character code for).

    2. Re:Ä, not A by Jotii · · Score: 1

      You're right, and the character is #256;.

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    3. Re:Ä, not A by esbjorn · · Score: 5, Funny

      In swedish, the word "bläk" means something like "yuck" in english... appropriate, maybe?

    4. Re:Ä, not A by k98sven · · Score: 4, Informative

      I guess we can add a category of umlaut after the Heavy-metal umlaut, namely the Silly marketing umlaut. E.g. Häagen-Dazs.

      I doubt they'll keep that name for the umlaut-saturated Scandinavian market though, since bläck/blæk/blekk means 'ink' in Swedish/Danish/Norwegian, and 'Blä!" is the Swedish equivalent of 'Yuck!'.

    5. Re:Ä, not A by Yusaku+Godai · · Score: 4, Interesting

      While I agree with your comment in general, in this case it's not an umlaut. The bar over a letter is called a macron.

    6. Re:Ä, not A by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it is.. kind-of. The written version of the trademark is with an umlaut, not a macron (which is the name of a bar you put over a vowel, usually to denote a long vowel sound)

      It'd still be interpreted as an umlaut by most in countries that use them though.

    7. Re:Ä, not A by k98sven · · Score: 1

      So it is! Guess I need to switch to a bigger font in my browser..

      That's still funny though, since it'd make the proununciation "blahk" and "blah" doesn't sound too good to english ears :)

    8. Re:Ä, not A by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      So it's Coca-Cola Blake?

    9. Re:Ä, not A by nastro · · Score: 1

      Well, that pretty much coincides with "blecch" in English. Same thing. The odd thing about the name is, if you've ever seen a picture of the bottle (it's linked above somewhere), there's a bar above the a in Blak. In English, this means a long A sound, and the word would be pronounced "Blake". Who knows what A&R were smoking on this one.

    10. Re:Ä, not A by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      Actually, the image on that page does show the A with a macron (straight overline) rather than an umlaut. Below the image, the name in HTML has an umalut, perhaps because the USPTO had trouble typing the macron in HTML. So do I -- the HTML code in UTF-8 for a capital A with a macron is supposedly #256; but I can't get it to show in my Slashdot posts.

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    11. Re:Ä, not A by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      Well, this wouldn't be the first time Coke had naming issues in other countries....

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    12. Re:Ä, not A by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting, that's a letter from the Swedish (and Finnish) alphabet.

      The letter "Ä" in swedish is usually pronounced like the "A" in the english word "Car", whereas the letter "A" in swedish is usually pronounced like the "A" in the english word "Black".

      So "BlÄk" would be pronounced just as the english word "black".

    13. Re:Ä, not A by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arrrghh, switch the "Ä" with the "A", it's the other way around.

    14. Re:Ä, not A by ggy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Uhm, you mean "Blä" right? "Bläk" just feels like someone is misspelling "Black" or "Bläck" (=ink). Or is my Stockholmian brain just missing words used in the rest of the country?

    15. Re:Ä, not A by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That name in Serbian sounds (and even writes) too similar to BLJAK which stands for same as YUCK in U.S.

    16. Re:Ä, not A by Elad+Alon · · Score: 1

      You mean "who knows what they were sipping", and, well, I could hazard a guess.

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    17. Re:Ä, not A by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      #256;

    18. Re:Ä, not A by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps if you cough up a snotball then you might say "Bläk bläk" in comics.

    19. Re:Ä, not A by CrazyDuke · · Score: 1

      Why not? They've already done "Cow Piss" water. (Actually, I'm not sure if it's Coke or Pepsi that owns it...)

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    20. Re:Ä, not A by porky_pig_jr · · Score: 1

      In american english, the word "blak" means "afrikan-amerikan".

    21. Re:Ä, not A by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      I think "bläk" is more of a dialect of "blä".
      It has the same meaning anyway, and although the latter is more common here, I still hear the former occasionally. :)

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    22. Re:Ä, not A by grimJester · · Score: 1

      Corrected:

      The letter "Ä" in swedish is usually pronounced like the "A" in the english word "Car", whereas the letter "Ä" in finnish is usually pronounced like the "A" in the english word "Black".

      I'm from Finland and 'bläk' is how a word pronounced like the english 'black' would be written.

    23. Re:Ä, not A by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In german, the word "bläk" means something like "penis" in english... for those who want to believe it.

  4. Soulless marketing by Toby+The+Economist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > The lightly carbonated, mid-calorie beverage, which is designed to appeal to
    > adult consumers, is yet another example how The Coca-Cola Company reaches out to
    > new audiences and addresses new beverage occasions.

    Spew, vomit, hurl, etc.

    It's true what they say, about marketing people having sold their souls.

    1. Re:Soulless marketing by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      You're assuming they ever had one to begin with, and I don't think that assumption is necessarily valid.

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    2. Re:Soulless marketing by Toby+The+Economist · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised I was given a -1 flamebait.

      Reading the blurb, I felt psychically sick.

      I would expect everyone to feel this way and so understand that my comment was serious and about that issue.

      Well - everyone except the person who somewhere in the Coca-Cola organisation *read and approved* this blurb as being part of what the company wishes to project.

      *That* I find amazing.

    3. Re:Soulless marketing by Toby+The+Economist · · Score: 1

      Odd...

      This post is now;

          20% Interesting
          20% Flamebait
          20% Insightful

      Prevously, there was a vote for "Underrated".

      It appears to have spontaniously disappeared? ah, or perhaps the voter wrote something in the thread?

  5. How 'bout some real sugar by LJWhorfin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    all these varieties of Coke -- how about one the puts REAL sugar back in the recipe instead of high fructose corn syrup. Jolt used to be this (real sugar and twice the caffeine -- was their slogan).. now jolt is corn syrup too (as of about 5 years ago around here). Oh -- and stop sellting the 8oz glass bottles for $1 each... i can buy 2 liters for that but i prefer the glass container.

    1. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, go buy yourself a 2 liter and a funnel

    2. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by Nali · · Score: 5, Informative

      Kosher-for-Passover Coke is made with real sugar.

    3. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by jhines · · Score: 1

      Supposedly, KO does this once a year, for the high holy daysthey make kosher Coke, which requires sugar.

      AFAIK, Coke made outside the country is made with sugar, so they probably import the kosher stuff.

    4. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Almost nobody has used real sugar since the 70s, $ >= taste apparently... Buy some Dublin Dr. Pepper and you'll realize (like I did being born in 83 after the switch to corn syrup) how much better it is. Corn syrup makes any soda taste like.... SYRUP. http://www.dublindrpepper.com/

    5. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by djward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Blue Sky, Whole Foods 365 Brand, and many other sodas sold at "natural" food stores use real cane sugar as well, and they're quite good. Can't buy them from a vending machine in the office though.

    6. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by 11223 · · Score: 4, Informative
      The American sugar growers have basically bought off Congress to put huge tariffs on imported sugar, thus allowing them to keep the price of sugar artifically high in the US. Furthermore the government gives huge loans to the US sugar buyers, which they are allowed to repay in sugar for some number of cents per pound... if they can't sell it on the open market for more than that, they'll just dump it on the government. Basically it's a form of price fixing by the government.


      If we got rid of these rediculous tariffs and subsidies sugar would be cheap enough to use in soft drinks in the US.

    7. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Nope - nothing to do with the high holy days. This is for Passover, when corn syrup is not permitted.

    8. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by LJWhorfin · · Score: 1

      well - jolt did till a few year ago -- here is a bottle i have still purchased here locally (spokane wa) a few years ago: http://homepage.mac.com/ljwhorfin/graphics/jolt.jp g

    9. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by blackraven14250 · · Score: 0

      The only plant (in the US) that still does use cane sugar is the Dr. Pepper plant in Waco. It's expensive as hell, though.

    10. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by superdude72 · · Score: 1

      Around here (California) Mexican/Central American groceries sell 12 oz. glass bottles of Coca Cola made with cane sugar.

    11. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by woobieman29 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Funny you should mention this.... I am back at college after 10 years and my Macro Economics professor just used this tariff in our last class as en example of bad governmental policy. The whole thing is just assinine.

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    12. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by MightyYar · · Score: 1
      I was in Trinidad and bought a Coke - noticed it tasted better, looked at the ingredients list... sugar! So I agree with you there.

      Glass? I don't miss it - heavy and fragile.

      FWIW, you can go to one of these natural or whole foods stores and get soda with sugar in it. Personally I try to avoid such beverages - sugar or no - because they make you fat :) Flavored seltzer is my current soda replacement, and it seems to be more popular now because I can find it in many flavors for about half a buck a liter (or less).

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    13. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by Ceribia · · Score: 5, Informative

      If your looking for real sugar come buy your pop in Canada, our Coke still has it.

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    14. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by NFNNMIDATA · · Score: 1

      How much of it is anti-Castro I wonder...

    15. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

      Protectionism is good for us! Just think of the poor sugar farmer, textile manufacturer, steel worker, Java programmer...

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    16. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, the screwed up sugar tarrif is a pretty standard example in the Economics classroom (I learned about it in Micro.)

    17. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by wass · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, I just wrote up a whole rant against HFCS upthread, and included that as an example. I'm not well-versed in economics or economic history, but I do know Cuba was a huge source of cane sugar. The embargo crippled their economy, and made it that much harder to get cane sugar in the USA. What I'm not certain of is how many US farmers grow cane or beet sugar, and how expensive the farming process is vs corn farming. There is alot of processing the corn goes through to get the HFCS, though. And of course the corn farmers wield political sway, especially with the Democratic primaries in Iowa.

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    18. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's part of the reason the FDA tries to prevent stevia http://www.stevia.net/fda.htm, a naturally sweet, no-calorie herb, from being marketed in the US as a sweetener. It's a heck of a lot safer than Splenda (which, by the way, has the same health concerns as Nutrasweet got lambasted for a few years back), but the sugar sellers don't want the competition.

    19. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by djpenguin808 · · Score: 1
      Don't forget about the gigantic subsidies to large corn growers like Monsanto that help to make high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) as cheap as it is.

      Of course, no one factors in the health costs of HFCS, which causes accelerated obesity and all the corollary problems that come with obesity. The reason why HFCS is so much worse than sugar from a health stanpoint is that HFCS is approximately 60% fructose and 40% glucose, as opposed the the normal 50/50 mix you find in natural sugars which the human body is designed to handle. Putting HFCS in a human body is like putting diesel fuel into a gasoline engine...the fuel will burn, but the results will not be good.

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    20. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by moosesocks · · Score: 1

      Egh. Maybe I just had a bad batch, but the Whole Foods 365 brand cola tasted awful, and was barely carbonated.

      I've had european coke, and must say that it's without a doubt better than its american counterpart (and also a lot more expensive). The whole foods cola did not give me that same experience.

      (That said, Whole Foods is an awesome place. It's hard to argue with food that not only tastes better, but is better for you.)

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    21. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by kermitthefrog917 · · Score: 1

      Coke here in Europe is made with real sugar. You can definately taste the difference.

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    22. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by pin_gween · · Score: 1
      (real sugar and twice the caffeine -- was their slogan)

      I think the slogan was "All the sugar, and twice the caffeine"

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    23. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by kesuki · · Score: 4, Interesting

      it's not just tarrifs, brazillian cane sugar is being converted into ethanol, which the vast majority of brazillian drivers use because the cost is so much lower. Brazil wants to export ethanol to the states too, because they'd make as much or more money as they were making exporting sugar before we had rediculous tarrifs. of course big corn doesn't want cheap brazilian ethanol flooding their market. ethanol production has propped up the corn price, which is already at pretty impressive lows, and big corn states like minnesota are planning on going to E20 and more states are mandating the use of E10, so basically the only way to allow brazillian ethanol imports without a tarrif would be to require a nation wide e-10 or better roll out.. not something the corn lobby could easily push through as say a tarrif on ethanol.

      Just going to E-10 would shift billions of dollars into local agroculture and away from mid-east oil dependancy, and it's been proven that e-10 has reduced emmisions over straight up gasoline. would be nice if we had a president who would have championed alternative fuels instead of passing billions in oil industry subsidies*...

      *= if one counts the iraq war is an oil indiustry subsidy, because it basically is.

    24. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by NMerriam · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Exactly. One of the things I miss about living in NYC was that it was easy to buy Kosher Coke any time of the year. Pure cane sugar, baby!

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    25. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by runcible · · Score: 1

      Look for the yellow cap:

      http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?story Id=1832301

      Available from about a week before to a week after Passover, at least here ( NYC ).

      For areas without a large Jewish community...yer fucked.

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    26. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by displaced80 · · Score: 1

      Just picked up the bottle next to me...

      Sugar here in the UK too. Wow. Screw the War Against Terror... not even using real sugar in your own iconic drink? You guys in the USA have seriously lost your way! (Hey, just kidding!)

      Anyway, my Canadian friend... Let me get this straight: you have both 'real' Coke, *and* proper British-style chocolate (Cadbury's Dairy Milk, Kit-Kats, Roses, etc.)? And proper beer too?

      I'm rapidly deciding that Canada may well be the single greatest country on this fair planet.

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    27. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by kfg · · Score: 1

      I love the week after Passover. Macaroons, borscht and Coke with sugar, all at blow out/get this shit out of the store prices. Stock up!

      And when it comes right down to it it's really not all that hard to make your own sugar water, cola flavored (with or without coffee) or otherwise. The Web is littered with recipies.

      KFG

    28. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by Methuseus · · Score: 1

      Same goes for most any place with a "little Mexico" type area. Like another poster said, not all carry the soda with regular sugar, but most that I've seen do. It always seems to be more expensive than the same soda using HFCS though...

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    29. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by LDoggg_ · · Score: 1

      I've been drinking the diet coke with splenda lately, and its not bad. Seems a little better than the corn syrup stuff, and much better than the garbage with aspertame.

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    30. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by bigbadwlf · · Score: 1

      Ontario here - this is from the bottle I'm drinking right now:

      Carbonated water, Sugar/Glucose-Fructose, Caramel Colour, Phosphoric Acid, Natural Flavours, Caffeine.

    31. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by adam613 · · Score: 1

      Just because you don't live in an area with a large Jewish community doesn't mean you're out of luck. Coca-Cola designates certain bottling plants to bottle real-sugar Coke for Passover, and if you live in an area with one of those plants, chances are you will be able to get the good stuff for a couple of weeks during the year.

      (I used to live in a little town in Indiana where this was the case. 8 Jews, kosher bottling plant, one kid who was allergic to corn and was very happy when his family found out that they could buy Coke at a certain time of year)

    32. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      Is high fructose corn syrup not sugar? There is no single "real" sugar anyway, there are lots of different real sugars.

      Glass is nice, but not enough people really care about it to pay the extra amount, I think it's only worth the rare occasional novelty, I don't think it is worth the extra weight either.

    33. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by LJWhorfin · · Score: 1

      I have two old functioning coke machines -- a 1946 vendo that will only hold the small bottles and a 1953 cavilier that will hold any size. Most grocery stores will special order me cases of the 8oz recycable bottles (used to be 6.5oz returnables) but they cost me $12-$14 a case. I still have cases and cases of 6.5 oz and 16oz returnable bottles of coke (full and empty) from back when i lived in Northern Virginia and the distributer still washed and reused the returnable bottles.

    34. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by jferris · · Score: 1
      It is intersting you mention that, as I was talking about the same thing with my wife last night. A bit of irony is that I now drink Coke Zero - not because it is a diet soda, but because I hate the taste of corn syrup in Coke. I try to hit the Mexican markets every once in a while, because you still can find Coke with cane sugar - although with less and less frequency.

      When I lived in the Phoenix area, there was a store in Scottsdale that had nothing but imported soda. One of the countries, I want to say it was the Netherlands, sweetened their Coke with molasses. That was mighty tasty. Funny thing was that the soda was almost pitch black, even when you held it up to the light.

      I understand that corn syrup is an attractive alternative to them over sugar because of pricing. However, I would be happy to pay a little bit more for a "premium" variety that did not use corn syrup.

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    35. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by MKalus · · Score: 2, Informative

      Umm....

      Not according to the label of the bottle I have here:

      ""Sugar/Clucose-Frucose" Means it could be either. I bet it isn't sugar.

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    36. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Couldn't they just go without coke for passover? I mean it wouldn't really do them much harm. It would probably do them a lot of good.

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    37. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by putko · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but do you guys say "sh-ch" or just "sht" when you say borscht?

      If you are from the old country, it is the first.

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    38. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by njh · · Score: 1

      Of course if you want nice weather too you could look in a place called Australia ;)

    39. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by NMerriam · · Score: 1

      Oh, yeah, I do stock up around Passover when I think about it. It was just much more convenient to live in a city where I didn't have to plan ahead and could count on local groceries having the real deal 365 days a year. It was also great to have a choice of good stores open on Sundays and Christmas (but closed on Fridays, of course).

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    40. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by kfg · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but do you guys say "sh-ch" or just "sht" when you say borscht?

      I say:

      "Good sh-chit. Just like Bubby used to make."

      She got it out of a Manischewitz jar too.

      KFG

    41. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by Rich0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Is there documentation that shows that it really is safer than Splenda? A quick check of the FDA website indicates that stevia does not have sufficient toxcicity data to allow for approval for use in the US. The website you linked just advocates that it is safe and the subject of a big coverup - but has no solid data.

      In general anytime somebody wants to market a new food additive, the burden of proof is on them to show that it is safe. The fact that it is natrual means nothing - so are nicotine, taxol, and cobra venom - none of which would be suitable as food additives.

      Why would sugar sellers be able to suppress stevia, when they apparently were unable to suppress aspartame, sucralose, sacchrin, etc?

    42. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by lubricated · · Score: 1

      yeah, but all the web recipes for coke don't have caffeine. I have a bucket of caffeine just not sure how much to add.

      Also those web recipes for coke are as dumb as those cake from a mix recipes. Mix syroup with sugar and water, then stick it in a corny keg. If they had recipes for cola that involed boiling a root or something I would go for it, but they always use a realy shitty mix that ends up being way to sweet.

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    43. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by schon · · Score: 1

      Jolt used to be this (real sugar and twice the caffeine -- was their slogan)

      Actually, their slogan was "All the sugar and twice the caffiene".

    44. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by kfg · · Score: 1

      yeah, but all the web recipes for coke don't have caffeine.

      Incorrect.

      I have a bucket of caffeine just not sure how much to add.

      This'll get you started:

      Original Coke formula:

      Ingredients:

      1oz. Citrate of Caffein
      1 oz. Ext. Vanilla
      2 1/2 oz. Flavoring
      4 oz. F.E. Coco
      3 oz. Citric Acid
      1 Qt. Lime Juice
      30 lbs. Sugar
      2 1/2 gal. Water
      Caramel sufficient

      Flavoring:

      80 Oil Orange
      120 Oil Lemon

      40 Oil Nutmeg
      1 Qt. Alchohol (!)
      40 Oil Cinnamon
      20 Oil Coriander
      40 Oil Neroli

      Directions:

      Mix Caffeine Acid and Lime Juice 1 Qt.
      Boiling water add vanilla and flavoring when cool.
      Let stand for 24 hours.

      But only a fool would follow a reicipe blindly. Adjust for personal taste, dude.

      If they had recipes for cola that involed boiling a root or something I would go for it. . .

      Then you would making root beer, not cola. Cola has always been something whipped up out of stuff lying on the shelves of the grocery store and apothocary shop. Someone else boiled the "root" for you and stuck it in a jar.

      KFG

    45. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by nexcomlink · · Score: 1

      Could this be why coca cola in other countries tastes fresher/better than in the U.S?

    46. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by Ridcully · · Score: 1

      I always buy a two liter Kosher Coke when Passover rolls around.
      Why?
      In case I want to bake a ham for Easter. Makes a great marinade for the ham.

      I also like baked ham with cream cheese on a bagel.

      Yes. I am going to hell.

    47. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by lysergic.acid · · Score: 1

      protectionist economic policies make sense when you have a local economy that is still developing, but using protectionist policies for price-fixing is completely unethical. that's the hypocrisy of the U.S. government and the IMF and World Bank though. We expect 3rd world nations with newly developed local industries to drop any protectionist policies so our multinationals can steamroll right over them and take over their markets as well as buy-up/privatize all of their local resources, while at the same time the same corporations who run the IMF/World Bank lobby for protectionist policies for themselves at the consumers' expense.

    48. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Well, as Cecil Adams once said, regarding this very issue, "Coke, I'm sorry to say, hasn't been it for some time" or words to that effect. I remember as a kid how wonderful a tall, 16 oz. glass bottle of Coca Cola, ice cold, was on a hot summer afternoon. My Dad would put them in the freezer for a while so they'd be super cold. That was somewhere around 1965. Ah, the good old days: the Beatles, moon landings ... ice cold real Coca Cola.

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    49. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by kfg · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Yes. I am going to hell."

      We don't have one of those. God just kvetches at you for all eternity.

      "Borrow the chariot? Do you remember that time a billion and half years ago, Tuesday, 4:47 P.M., when you. . ., and did you ever call, every write?"

      I hate it when he gives me two ties and the first time I wear one them he looks at me, sighs, and says, in his basic tone of voice:

      "The other one you didn't like?"

      Oy! Such a noodge.

      KFG

    50. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by JanneM · · Score: 1

      Of course if you want nice weather too you could look in a place called Australia ;)

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    51. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by mpeg4codec · · Score: 1

      A few of the real hole in the wall Mexican places around where I live [in the Los Angeles area] sell bottled Mexican sodas [include Coke] with all the labels in Spanish.

      They use real sugar and it isn't a dollar a bottle.

    52. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      My mom and aunt are from the old country, but pronounce the end of it with a sht sound. Also, it's always home-made. In fact, that's the only type of borscht I've ever had. That and perogies, except for the ones at the Goldman Sachs cafeteria, which I think are at least hand made in the facility.

    53. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      Coca Cola Co., with all its might, couldn't outbid the sugar growers?

    54. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by CrazyTalk · · Score: 1

      I believe their slogan was "All the sugar and twice the caffeine". Real sugar was never mentioned in their adverstising.

    55. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by Bishop · · Score: 1

      Canadian pop uses real sugar. The label would list corn syrup if that is what it used. Also Canadian pop is Kosher (look for Pavere on the can), and HFCS is not Kosher.

      You can taste the difference. American coke tastes funny.

    56. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by LJWhorfin · · Score: 1

      thought they had the real sugar logo on their cans/ bottls... looked kinda like a square root symbol... not that there is any official cane/etc/ sugar symbol...

    57. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by urbanRealist · · Score: 1

      The really disgusting thing about the sugar tariff is the environmental impact. Most of the subsidized sugar is grown in what used to be part of the Everglades. The fertilizer runoff allows cattails, a non-native species, to grow taller than the native sawgrass. In doing so, they block out light to the sawgrass and it dies. Without sawgrass, there is no Everglades. So because of this tariff, we are loosing a unique environmental resource that can never be replaced.

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    58. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blue Sky Cola was the worst soda/softdrink I've ever tasted. The only reminiscent feature it has of cola is that it comes in the same size can.

    59. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by Chandon+Seldon · · Score: 1

      The answer to all your questions is "Money". The people trying to market stevia in the USA can't get enough money together to get it approved because they don't have patents on it (and thus won't be obscenely profitable) and the manufacturers of existing patented artifical sweeterners lobby against it because it would undercut their massive patent-supported fixed prices on artifical sweeteners. Now, it's possible that there really is some hidden health hazard in stevia, but the fact that it's legal in japan makes that seem unlikely to me.

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    60. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've tried stevia. Tastes like sweetened dirt.

    61. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by kitzilla · · Score: 1
      > Kosher-for-Passover Coke is made with real sugar.

      Yeah, but the bitter herbs floating around in it kinda suck.

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    62. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by cshark · · Score: 1

      " Nope - nothing to do with the high holy days. This is for Passover, when corn syrup is not permitted."

      Really depends on the tradition you're coming from. Jews from the eastern traditions have no issue with corn on passover. But the sugar sounds nice.

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    63. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by Daedalus-Ubergeek · · Score: 1

      Afri-Cola has 240mg of caffeine last I heard, and is made with real sugar and mineral water.

    64. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by FleaPlus · · Score: 1

      Regarding fructose, here's a story I tried submitting to slashdot which didn't get through:

      Fructose Tricks Body Into Being Hungrier

      Researchers at the University of Florida have recently discovered that fructose may be a primary cause of America's growing obesity rate. According to their research, fructose tricks the body into being hungrier than it should be. High-fructose corn syrup is often used as a sweetener in US soft drinks and foods due to corn subsidies and sugar import tariffs.

    65. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by Panaphonix · · Score: 1

      Kosher Coke can be distinguished by its purple cap, IIRC. I also hear that's the time of year when they clean out the machines. w00t.

    66. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by 11223 · · Score: 1

      Good point... I'm moving there right now!

    67. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by RevAaron · · Score: 1

      Also- Mexican Coke? It used to be made with real sugar, but in the last couple years the wording in the ingredient list has changed from "sugar" to like it is on the American code- "sugar and/or high-fructose corn syrup." Which could still mean it was sugar, but there's no way to really know. Even if it is corn syrup and not sugar, the Mexican Coke tastes better, though that could be the fact it comes in a glass bottle, and not the real sugar. But either way, it's available year 'round and it tastes better than the usual cans and bottles of Coke... They have it up here in the Mexican food sections in most of the grocery stores, half-liter bottles. And this is pretty far north: Duluth, MN. Not a town with a huge Mexican immigrant population, but I'm guessing it's large enough make stocking MexiCoke profitable.

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    68. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by RevAaron · · Score: 1


      1oz. Citrate of Caffein
      [...]
      30 lbs. Sugar
      2 1/2 gal. Water
      [...]


      Yeah, like the man says, DO NOT follow this recipe. Don't just adjust it for personal taste either, but don't do it. At all. There it something quite wrong with this recipe, and it may just be a couple typos, but as it is, you're consuming like 500 mg of caffeine in and 1.5 cups of sugar in each 8 fl.oz. serving. So yeah, that is downright insane. I would advise against chugging down 20 oz of this like you would of that regular coke, especially hard to swallow would be the sludge at the bottom of undissolved sucrose, and the slap in the face and flutter of the heart you'd notice when the 1250 mg of caffeine kicked in.

      (For reference, an 8 oz cup of coffee usually has between 50 and 150 mg of caffeine, and a 12 oz can of regular Coca-Cola has 45 mg.)

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    69. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by RevAaron · · Score: 1

      Yes. Coke in other countries tastes better because it is made with real sugar.

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    70. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by RevAaron · · Score: 1

      Don't get me wrong- I'm as happy as the next guy to blame the world's ills on American Capitalism and the capitalists behind it. But the grandparent is right- where is the data that talks about how safe Stevia is? It may be that the money hasn't been put up in the US or Canada, but there has to be a country somewhere where they done some clinical research- Japan, Germany, the UK, wherever. And if I were going to advocate for Stevia, I guess I'd try to find these studies and get some real data out there instead of just blaming it on International Capitalism. *shrug* Just an idea.

      Stevia is legal in the US. So is alcohol. So are plenty of other substances that can be harmful. Your point?

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    71. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is actually another page on the site that references some of the studies and mentions concerns about its safety http://www.stevia.net/safety.htm. Obviously the site will be biased, but considering how many studies have been done (try googling stevia study), some of which are published in academic journals, and how much it's used in other parts of the world without mention of ill effects, etc, it's relatively believable. I'm not going to bet the farm on it, but I'm interested, anyhow.

    72. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by quarkscat · · Score: 1

      Bravo!

      The original Coca-Cola formula not only had real cane sugar for sweetner, but also had far more carbonation. A frosty 6 ounce glass bottle of Coca-Cola, when chugged on a hot summer day, would burn all the down and actually quench your thirst.

      The closest more recent beverage was Jolt Cola, before they switched from cane sugar to high fructose corn syrup. Since virtually all USA soft beverage producers have forsaken their customers (IMHO) by switching to high fructose corn syrup, I have stopped being their customer. I believe that they have switched far more than the sweetner they use in their formula, because their modern beverages no longer actually quench my thirst like that old 6 ounce bottle of Coke.

      The soft beverage makers have fattened their bottom line, as well as Archer Daniels Midland (ADM), who I believe furnishes most of the corn syrup. But I cannot help but wonder if the change in drink formula to corn syrup isn't also a contributing factor in today's obesity "epidemic".

    73. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by kfg · · Score: 1

      Dude, Coca-Cola is a syrup concentrate. You don't chug down 20 oz. of it, you mix a couple tablespoons into 20 oz. of something. The stuff in the cans just comes premixed for your convenience.

      Go to a diner or a movie theater or something and have them show you how Coke is made into something drinkable.

      KFG

    74. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 1

      I'm as happy as the next guy to blame the world's ills on American Capitalism and the capitalists behind it.

      Why?

      You can also give credit for the world's benefits to capitalism while you're at it.

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    75. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by Bishop · · Score: 1

      John Howard.

      And too many poisonous snakes. oh wait....

    76. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by jasonditz · · Score: 1

      Insert random joke about someone in Indiana being allergic to corn here

    77. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by DasBub · · Score: 3, Informative

      Little bit of chemistry info here...

      What we generally call "sugar" is named sucrose or dextrose. Sucrose is a disaccharide which means that it's made of two smaller monosaccharides, namely Glucose and Fructose.

      One way to reduce the cost of your softdrink or other prepared food is to use something referred to as "Invert Sugar". Here's how you do it:

      Take some real sugar, sucrose, and break the bond between the glucose and the fructose, then let them recombine. When you do this, the glucose and fructose actually bond in a different way which makes the substance 1.3 times as sweet as sucrose. It's identical to regular sugar except for that one key bond, and you've instantly cut down the amount you need to add to your product.

      So when you read a list of ingredients and it says "Glucose/Fructose", you're likely eating invert sugar.

      Incidentally, a natural source of invert sugar is honey.

    78. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by MKalus · · Score: 1

      Interesting, I didn't know that, thanks for the info.

      M.

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    79. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by MKalus · · Score: 1

      It has been quite a while since I was in the States so I couldn't really compare :)

      Though I did realize when I was living there that was I gaining quite a bit of weight due to coke.

      And I didn't know what the Pareve seal meant, thanks for the info.

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    80. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by Kiryat+Malachi · · Score: 3, Informative

      Parve is actually a very specific meaning within the general meaning of kosher. Parve foods contain no milk, no milk by-product; nor do they contain meat or animal by-products. (Fish is considered parve; poultry is not. Interestingly, while most parve foods may be consumed with meat, fish cannot.) Kosher-marked foods follow the laws of kashrut, but may contain dairy or meat.

      Traditionally, the markings are:

      K or a circled U - Kosher.
      A D by the U/K - Kosher, contains dairy.
      Pareve, parve or p or P - Parve, contains no dairy.

      Generally speaking, kosher meat isn't packaged, so I'm not aware of any generally accepted marking for a kosher meat. Thinking about it, though, there are kosher hot dogs; they must have some marking on them, but I can't for the life of me think of it.

      (A cousin is a shoichet - a kosher slaughterer/butcher.)

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    81. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by AussiePenguin · · Score: 1

      Here in the land of Aussie coke apparently does have real sugar in it. Must be the different regulations or something.

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    82. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by Refrag · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I might actually start drinking them again once in a while if they switched back to real sugar.

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    83. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by Atario · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't ordinarly make spelling-nazi posts, but I feel I need to, since here we see two people in one branch of the thread, saying "rediculous" and no one blinking an eye.

      It's ridiculous. Deserving or inspiring ridicule. Not "redicule", as there is no such thing. And, no, it can't be "diculous" again.

      Oh, and, ObOnTopic: everyone keeps touting cane sugar -- how about beet sugar?

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    84. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1
      >Funny you should mention this.... I am back at college after 10 years and my Macro Economics >professor just used this tariff in our last class as en example of bad governmental policy. The >whole thing is just assinine.

      Maybe more than even he realizes. Are you sure he covered all the reasons this policy is so stupid? In addition to bad soda, you also get tariffs that distort trade and impoverish 3rd World farmers, tariffs on ethanol produced from sugar cane, which unlike ethanol from corn, actually makes economic sense. So biofuels are kept off the market. Then you get enormous subsidies to the sugar industry in South Florida, so they can keep their irrigation projects going that drain water from the Everglades, so the taxpayers can take another hit of billions of dollars for Everglades "restoration" projects. There are probably some additional layers of stupidity that I forgot to mention, because it is hard to keep count.

    85. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by mpe · · Score: 1

      That's part of the reason the FDA tries to prevent stevia http://www.stevia.net/fda.htm, a naturally sweet, no-calorie herb, from being marketed in the US as a sweetener. It's a heck of a lot safer than Splenda (which, by the way, has the same health concerns as Nutrasweet got lambasted for a few years back), but the sugar sellers don't want the competition.

      Also it can't be patented. Unlike any new artificial sweeteners which may be invented.
      Of course the most ironic thing would be if someone were to produce a "low-calorie" sweetener which also acted as a drug to promote weight gain...

    86. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The imported Coke at the Mexican grocery store is made with real sugar.

    87. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by sckeener · · Score: 1

      You can still get Dr. Pepper with real sugar
      http://www.dublindrpepper.com/

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    88. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by RevAaron · · Score: 1

      hahaha!

      oh man.

      i suck. i know what syrup is, but mr. smarty pants didn't think of anything so fancy as "syrup."

      thanks!

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    89. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by stalky14 · · Score: 1

      Gotta love those US sugar tariffs & corn subsidies.

      When I was in NY I used to go to Canada to get the real-sugar
      Coke. One time coming back across the border the border guard
      asked me what I had in the trunk and I told him just some cases
      of Coca Cola. He pressed me, "Come on? What else have you got." I
      said "Just that" and went into my speech about how US sugar tariffs
      caused all US soda to use high fructose corn syrup, etc. He just
      got a glazed over look, sighed, and waved me through. 8^)

    90. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by mpe · · Score: 1

      The answer to all your questions is "Money". The people trying to market stevia in the USA can't get enough money together to get it approved because they don't have patents on it (and thus won't be obscenely profitable) and the manufacturers of existing patented artifical sweeterners lobby against it because it would undercut their massive patent-supported fixed prices on artifical sweeteners. Now, it's possible that there really is some hidden health hazard in stevia, but the fact that it's legal in japan makes that seem unlikely to me.

      Sounds not unlike the efforts of drug companies to make it difficult for people to import their products into the US. It's even possible that in some cases the US and Canadian versions of drugs are produced in the same factory...

    91. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      So, has anybody actually filed a marketing application for it? Obviously if no application is filed, the FDA won't approve it.

      Obviously the system tends to benefit patented compounds more than generic ones, due to the profit motive funding safety studies. However, generic drug manufacturers seem to be able to file applications for drugs without holding patents...

      The FDA is one of the strictest regulatory bodies on the planet - it is MUCH harder to put something on shelves in America than just about anywhere - at least in terms of burden of proof. Some markets, like Japan, are notoriously hard to get into, but this is usually due to processes which are designed more to get rid of external competition than to promote safety...

    92. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by mypalmike · · Score: 1

      I've had european coke, and must say that it's without a doubt better than its american counterpart (and also a lot more expensive). The whole foods cola did not give me that same experience.

      All is not lost. I'm sure Whole Foods' cola gave you the "expensive" part of the experience anyhow.

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    93. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by Black+Perl · · Score: 1

      Nah, that would be a corny joke.

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    94. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by gnovos · · Score: 1

      First you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women...

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    95. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by HTL2001 · · Score: 1

      Hmm... maybe this is why RC cola tastes better than coke/pepsi (does RC cola use real sugar?)

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    96. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by Myopic · · Score: 1

      Canadians don't know the difference between "your" and "you're"? Damn, even Americans with their crappy public education know that.

      Hey, at least you have that famously low infant mortality rate.

    97. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by DasBub · · Score: 1

      Erratum: dextrose is another name for glucose, not sucrose.

      My mistake. I assure you, I got it right on the exam :)

    98. Re:How 'bout some real sugar by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      Don't get me wrong- I'm as happy as the next guy to blame the world's ills on American Capitalism and the capitalists behind it. But the grandparent is right- where is the data that talks about how safe Stevia is? It may be that the money hasn't been put up in the US or Canada, but there has to be a country somewhere where they done some clinical research- Japan, Germany, the UK, wherever. And if I were going to advocate for Stevia, I guess I'd try to find these studies and get some real data out there instead of just blaming it on International Capitalism. *shrug* Just an idea.

      Thing is, there's apparently enough safety data for stevia to be sold as a "dietary supplement" with no particaular "dosage" listed on the bottle. It's OK to sell it as something ingestable, yet the FDA has for years barred it from sale as a "sweetener". The amount of cash and political clout necessary to get it pushed through just isn't available.

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  6. Japanese vending machine coffee by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1
    ...the cans of hot coffee that makes walking around in Tokyo so delicious.

    Mmmm....Suntory Boss. Dark Black. Oh, yeah.

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    1. Re:Japanese vending machine coffee by griffster · · Score: 1

      I think Boss saw this coming - they have a new secret weapon: "Rainbow Mountain Blend" http://www.suntory.co.jp/softdrink/boss/ :)

    2. Re:Japanese vending machine coffee by identity0 · · Score: 1

      Speaking of which, does anyone know why they don't have heated can vending machines in the states? I've only seen the coffe machines where they pour coffee into a paper cup over here, never a hot can machine.

      Are they common everywhere outside of the states, or is it just Japan?

      And yeah, they do rock, esp. their canned coffee. We only recently started getting canned coffee in the states, and it's that overblack Starbucks kind...

      And hey, cool name, just started reading True Names by coincidence :)

    3. Re:Japanese vending machine coffee by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      Just Japan I think. We don't have anything of the sort in Australia, although according to my Japanese teacher Japan is an Everything In A Vending machine country (relative to here).

      So no, I think it may just be Japan.

  7. so.. by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 5, Funny

    So they're putting coffee flavour in coke.. How.. odd coke tastes vile, why would you want to add a bitter taste to it? "oohh it's like eating coal while sucking on a lemon" comes to mind.

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    1. Re:so.. by kitzilla · · Score: 3, Funny

      If I has mod points left, you'd get them. I just spewed coal-and-lemon beverage on my screen. ;-)

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    2. Re:so.. by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Stop drinking it for a while (couple of weeks).. I changed to fruit juices and now when I taste coke it tastes vile.. nothing tastes like coke.. it's just.. blergh.. I'm currently sucking on fruit juices instead. Much nicer flavours andI'm not being drugged to enjoy them (flavour enhancers in coke and such).

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    3. Re:so.. by rasqual · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Coffee is not a "bitter" flavor, any more than "wine tastes like Thunderbird". It's a perverse generalization.

      Coffee's reputation has suffered as a consequence of shallow consumer experience and ill-advised processed coffee products marketed during the last century. And, for that matter, by the crap sold by Starbucks -- a company that can't even succeed at being pretentious (they're only capable, it seems, of duping connoisseurs of instant coffee into thinking their charcoal blends are a step up).

      It can only get worse when dubious beverages are critiqued by those holding dubious assumptions.

    4. Re:so.. by Chemical · · Score: 1

      Starbucks coffee isn't bad in and of itself. It's the way they make it at Starbucks that makes it taste like crap. Those huge commercial drip coffee machines are incapable of making good coffee. I buy Starbucks beans and make it at home (using a coffee press) and it tastes pretty damn good. Granted, it's not Jamaica Blue Mountain, but I can't justify spending $40/lb for coffee.

    5. Re:so.. by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 1

      Coffee is naturally bitter. The real coffee bean ground up and made into a drnk is extremely bitter. The instant crap isn't the issue here.. Coke tastes like coal, real coffee is bitter, hence bitter coal.

      If it's instant cookie it won't taste a HUGE deal different from coke as it is. Instant cofee is little more than a smooth coke.

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    6. Re:so.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think you don't like coke? I use it as the base liquid for ayahuasca, due to the high phosphoric acid levels. Even a sip of coke at this point summons up the taste of the vile sludge that results from boiled coke and ayahuasca. I'm not exagerating when I say that a single, plain, coke would be enough to make me start vomiting.

    7. Re:so.. by schon · · Score: 1

      Coffee is naturally bitter.

      No, *some compounds* in coffee are naturally bitter.

      According to Alton Brown, the first 1/3rd of the brew from the bean won't be bitter at all - it's when you try to draw out more flavour that it becomes bitter.

    8. Re:so.. by macshit · · Score: 1

      Coffee is naturally bitter. The real coffee bean ground up and made into a drnk is extremely bitter. The instant crap isn't the issue here.

      Bitterness is a taste that people usually like in conjunction with other tastes -- e.g., with chocolate, bitter+sweet is well liked, and with coffee, a sort of "richness" (I use the word "creamy" to describe it, but no actual cream is involved; I guess it's from the coffee oils??) or for some coffee types, acidity, combined with bitterness. People also like a more bitter brew of tea combined with lemon or milk more than they like either of the component tastes alone. In all these examples, the combination is the key.

      Now granted that if Coke did it, it's likely to be vile simply because they're a giant soft-drink manufacturer, but the concept is not inherently wrong...

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    9. Re:so.. by coolGuyZak · · Score: 1
      Those huge commercial drip coffee machines are incapable of making good coffee

      This is completely untrue. They are incredably capable of creating good coffee, but they require a vast upkeep to do so. Most employees in coffee houses are unwilling to put the time into cleaning them properly, and as a result, the coffee tastes bitter.

      The main reason why coffee tastes bitter is the bacteria that grows on the coffee pot. It rides up the steam caused by the drip process, and takes residency on the surfaces directly above and below the filter. There it is provided with all of the nutrients it needs, not to mention the humidity & temperature provided by running the coffeepot.

      The solution to this is to brew a "special pot" of cleanser solution, then wipe the whole thing down thoroughly. This process takes about 15-20 minutes to do properly. After that, you have to run the coffee pot once or twice without anything in it, and then prepare coffee as normal. (This is similar to running vinegar through your home drip coffepot, but the cleanser is more thorough.)

    10. Re:so.. by rjshields · · Score: 1
      Coffee is not a "bitter" flavor, any more than "wine tastes like Thunderbird". It's a perverse generalization.
      I bug to differ but caffeine is a very bitter substance. Oh, coffee contains caffeine. Isn't that cute?
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    11. Re:so.. by rjshields · · Score: 1

      s/bug/beg/ ;) I knew I should have used the preview button.

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    12. Re:so.. by rasqual · · Score: 1

      Your family contains females. Therefore your family is female.

      You're committing the fallacy of composition -- attributing to the whole the character of a part.

      I'm not denying that much coffee IS bitter -- but this is due to careless roasting, storage, or brewing more often than to the character of the coffee itself. It's as ridiculous to blame coffee for being bitter as it is to blame dogs for being vicious. It's also silly to blame caffeine for the bitterness in poor coffee. You'd have to park all of a cup's caffiene in a single sip to even compete with other embittering factors in a bad brew.

      The point, gentle reader, would be that coffee's reputation as a bitter beverage has been earned for it by people who roast it badly, brew it poorly, and feel obliged to consume such dreck for a mild jolt or in respect of social convention -- or because "everyone knows Starbucks is good coffee" (spit).

      As for another poster's remark: The real coffee bean ground up and made into a drnk is extremely bitter -- that's one of the most risible, demonstrably absurd statements I've ever heard concerning coffee.

    13. Re:so.. by rasqual · · Score: 1

      Then spend $5.00 a pound for far better beans than Starbucks buys, and roast them yourself. Among other things, you can dump the roast before it turns into the charcoal Starbucks serves. ;-)

      Start here http://sweetmarias.com/ and work your way outwards into a very fun world. You'll be trafficking in the world's best coffees at half the price you're paying. You supply the heat. ;-)

    14. Re:so.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect you're not clear on what bitter means because coffee is indeed bitter.

    15. Re:so.. by rasqual · · Score: 1

      :::sigh:::

      Such remarks are hard to take seriously unless we're sitting at the same table drinking the same brew so we can agree on what we're even talking about. "Yes!" "No!" "Yes!" "No!" For my part, I can't take such assertions seriously otherwise, because the factors which contribute to bitterness in coffee seem to be precisely those factors present in the sad history of its most common production and consumption -- at least in the U.S. -- in the last several decades. In other words, there's a "coincidence? I think not" quality to what people think about coffee and what they've likely been conditioned to think of it (by idiotic prevailing standards of production and consumption) -- so why heed comments from people who are likely still "in the cave?" ;-)

  8. Picture of the actual product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:Picture of the actual product by lowmagnet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Coca Cola Blake? The do realise what a bar above a vowel means, don't they?

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    2. Re:Picture of the actual product by mclipsco · · Score: 1

      Coke "Blake"? who wants to drink something named after a guy?

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    3. Re:Picture of the actual product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks much like "bläk". Which in Swedish means something like "yuk".

      I guess they'll rename it here :)

    4. Re:Picture of the actual product by EmagGeek · · Score: 1, Troll

      No, they clearly don't. Remember, their marketing people were probably educated in the US, where simple things like grammar and punctuation are not taught because doing so would take time away from having the kids watch commercials on in-class TV.

    5. Re:Picture of the actual product by daeley · · Score: 1

      Coke "Blake"? who wants to drink something named after a guy?

      Drink something named after a guy? Brilliant!

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    6. Re:Picture of the actual product by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 0, Troll

      That is one thing worth pointing out. Another is that if you drink this in your car you risk getting an open container charge--it looks like a beer.

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    7. Re:Picture of the actual product by radish · · Score: 1

      Lucky they're not selling it in the US then, huh?

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    8. Re:Picture of the actual product by jeschust · · Score: 1
  9. Been done before by Rich0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I remember trying some of this horrible brew.

    Then again, this sort of thing is pretty popular in Japan - so maybe its just taste...

    1. Re:Been done before by MKalus · · Score: 1

      I have, on occasion, actually mixed Coke / Pepsi with Coffee, not that bad in my opinion, but then tastes are differently, I also liked "Fanta Mango" in Germany when everybody else just found it vile.

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    2. Re:Been done before by kklein · · Score: 1

      Huh? Vending machine coffee is popular over here, but I can't think of a single carbonated sweet coffee beverage in the whole country... In fact, sodas are just not nearly as popular here as they are in the US, etc.

  10. Anyone try Pepsi Kona? by BTWR · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In 1996, I was in Philadephia for the summer, and it was a test city for Pepsi's own Coffee Cola: Pepsi Kona. It was actually quite good, and my friends and I liked it. It must not have tested well enough, cuz it never was fully developed. After the Crystal Pepsi fiasco a few years earlier, Pepsi decided not to market new products countrywide, and always start with a few test cities. Hopefully, this coke one will taste as decent as the Pepsi one.

    1. Re:Anyone try Pepsi Kona? by travail_jgd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      After Pepsi Blue, I'd be reluctant to try any "new" Pepsi flavors... well, without using my friends as guinea pigs.

      (OTOH, I love Diet Pepsi -- but only the Vanilla, Lime, and Cherry flavors. Go figure.)

      But I'd give a coffee flavored cola a try. IIRC Coke already uses tea as a "base" flavor, so it's not that much of a mental readjustment.

    2. Re:Anyone try Pepsi Kona? by Nessak · · Score: 1

      If they were test marketing it, they went far beyond Phily. I remember it being big in NJ and southern CT where I spent a lot of time. It seemed to be a response to the surge of popularly with the "Seattle" coffee movement. I even remember TV ads and such. I always assumed it was a national product that flopped big time. It was horrible, as I recall. Shortly after that was Clear Pepsi and/or Coke -- a version that tasted the same but without the brown dye. Also very shortly lived, as I recall.

    3. Re:Anyone try Pepsi Kona? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i was in a test area for that as well. i lived in huterdon county nj at the time. i do remember the stuff and remember that while the idea of it made me want to vomit, the stuff was actually not all that bad.

    4. Re:Anyone try Pepsi Kona? by Necromancyr · · Score: 1

      A friends father is one of the regional VP's for Pepsi (in the philly area) and we got about...12 cases of the stuff to bring to college with us when we started our freshman year.

      Yeah, it didn't go over well at all. Basically, it was good for caffeine and not much else.

    5. Re:Anyone try Pepsi Kona? by wass · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I remember the commercials for that (I was in college in Philly at the time). An old waittress at a greasy-spoon diner would ask the patron what he was in the mood for. "Coffee? Pepsi? Both?" And then she ripped off her face, revealing lounge singer Tom Jones underneath, singing "It's not unusual to be loved by you." Pretty bizarre commercial, made me want to try the product just for kicks but I never got around to it.

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    6. Re:Anyone try Pepsi Kona? by Apotekaren · · Score: 1

      Pepsi is now selling something like Pepsi Max Cappuccino here in Finland, don't know if this is Europe-wide or world-wire phenomenon? Haven't tried it yet, but I've gotten comments both for and against this product.

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    7. Re:Anyone try Pepsi Kona? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Switzerland and France recently I've seen Pepsi Max Cappuccino...
      http://www.patent.gov.uk/tm/tmj/journals/6608/dome stic/2400434.html
      http://www.pepsimax.fr/
      NOTE: Pepsi MAX is like Diet Pepsi in the US - no sugar/calories.
      I wasn't brave enough to try it.

    8. Re:Anyone try Pepsi Kona? by sammy+baby · · Score: 1

      I remember that ad! I was lucky enough to be at West Chester University of PA at the time, and stumbled across a stand where they were giving away 16 oz bottles of the stuff for free. Let me tell you something: you didn't miss a damn thing. It tasted like liquid ass.

      But the ad was funny. (And for the record: I think that what the customer at the diner specifically said was, "Surprise me," which led to the whole impromptu Tom Jones concert thing.)

    9. Re:Anyone try Pepsi Kona? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      About Pepsi Max ... you're right about it not containing sugar, but it still has calories, 0.3 kcal/100 ml. It's negligible, though. And it tastes good!

    10. Re:Anyone try Pepsi Kona? by BTWR · · Score: 1

      Actually Pepsi Max isn't like Diet Pepsi in the USA - it's like Pepsi One. Subtle but noticable difference.

    11. Re:Anyone try Pepsi Kona? by dfn_deux · · Score: 1

      Pepsi is already marketing a coffee flavored cola in much of Asia. I personally bought it in Cambodia, Thailand, and Vietnam (both Hanoi and HCMC) just a few weeks ago... Interesting flavor, although I'm not sure I'd buy it on any sort of regular basis. In Vietnam it was marked "Pepsi Cafe Da" and in Thailand it was "Pepsi Latte" I'm not gonna bother trying to figure out how to make Khmer letter to describe the cambodia brand though...
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    12. Re:Anyone try Pepsi Kona? by Refrag · · Score: 1

      Damn I wish they still made Crystal Pepsi. Great stuff.

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    13. Re:Anyone try Pepsi Kona? by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      I used to live in a small town with a large engineering university. It was used as a test market by many of the larger companies in the US because they could get a good handle on the male 18-27 demographic (Think 3 or more males for every female in town). For some reason none of the foods I liked ever made it into production. I must have unusual tastes. I even liked "Dr. Slice" a strange reddish soda that may or may not have been a mix of Dr. Pepper and ruby red slice. It mixed great with rum.

    14. Re:Anyone try Pepsi Kona? by bar-agent · · Score: 1

      Yeah, me too. I really don't know why it flopped!

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  11. cola by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's funny that billions of dollars are poured into the marketing of something that consists primarily of high-fructose corn syrup and carbonated water. The images portrayed in the ads have nothing at all to do with a sugar/water beverage, but for some reason people spends billions of dollars on it. Anyway, at least they're adding something "real" to the product (presumably real coffee).

  12. Vomitus Maximus by Paladin144 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Am I the only one who thinks that this sounds absolutely vomit-inducing? Excuse me for not RTFPR (reading the fucking press release), but does anybody who did know if this will in fact be served cold or hot? Either way it sounds like a recipe for some really bad mixed drinks involving rum, vodka and cleaning highly-caffenated vomit off the carpet in the morning.

    1. Re:Vomitus Maximus by Alworx · · Score: 1

      I disagree, Paladin.

      I drank an excellent chilled fizzy coffee beverage (like a soda iced coffee) in southern Italy and it was great.

      Refreshing, tasty, thirst quencing (sorry for the spelling...).

      Just use proper sugar and not some caramel or aspartame based mockup. And real coffee, not a chemical equivalent.

      And serve chilled, I mean really cold, no ice, just straight from the fridge!

      Put simply: keep it real, man :-)))

      Alex.

    2. Re:Vomitus Maximus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not sure if this is insightful or funny...

  13. Pepsi Kona? by lys · · Score: 1

    How is this new Coke going to differ from Pepsi's attempt at the same flavor five years ago?

  14. Pepsi Kona by Calimus · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's not the first time. Back in the mid 90's Pepsi did a test market on a similair product that they called Pepsi Kona - Link . I had some family that worked for them at the time and somehow I ened up with 2 six-packs of the stuff.

    The tase took a little getting used to, but the caffine kick was amazing. I was working 3rd shift at the time so the energy boost was welcomed. 2 Cans before I went to work and I was wired all night.

    I found the caffine buzz to be as good as the same ammount of Jolt but without the sugar shakes to go along with it.

    Coke might be able to pull this off, have to wait and see. It's all going to boil down to taste.

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    1. Re:Pepsi Kona by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Trying to be different, just like everyone else.

      You mean everyone else who posted the comment about Pepsi Kona, because they can't be fucked to read the other comments?

      Which fucking mods moderated three identical comments to +5?!

  15. Super-Coffee by Grandma+Death · · Score: 2, Funny

    I've always wondered what would happen if you brewed a pot of coffee with caffeinated water.

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    1. Re:Super-Coffee by LouisZepher · · Score: 1

      I'd think it'd be a tad messy. If the carbonation is lost as the water is heated in the tubing, I'd think that the churning of it would be akin to shaking an open can of soda...

    2. Re:Super-Coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He said caffeinated water, not carbonated water. Big difference.

    3. Re:Super-Coffee by aneroid · · Score: 1

      it's called Water Joe and i've heard good things about it...but only from coffee "enthusiasts". it can be made freakishly strong...especially if u try something crazy like brewing it twice. i think i'll try that if i ever get my hands on some.

    4. Re:Super-Coffee by Reverend528 · · Score: 1

      Actually, if you don't want to shell out for the caffeinated water, just brew coffee with coffee (instead of water). It makes one hell of a potent brew.

    5. Re:Super-Coffee by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Frequent trips to the bathroom.

  16. been there done that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is this any different from a Manhattan Special? Which, incidentally, is f*cking delicious. I certainly hope none of you forgot about Manhattan Special, the old school energy drink.

    1. Re:been there done that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Manhattan Special is the original coffee soda. You can't deny the flavor ;)

  17. Well by Donniedarkness · · Score: 1
    Coca Cola company has had MANY failed attempts at new soft-drinks recently (although I don't think that the lime-coke was a failure...I don't see them anymore, but people around here were buying tons of them).... maybe they'll get this one right.

    I'm going to give it a try, at least. I do have to wonder how they will blend the two tastes, though. I mean.... coke is sweet, and coffee is bitter... oh well, if they're confident enough to manufacture the stuff, I'm confident enough to try it.

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    1. Re:Well by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      Last time I looked, you could still get Diet Lime Coke in Los Angeles. I buy it sometimes, because I can't drink the regular soft drinks any more. (Type II diabetic) Most of the time, a new drink comes out in regular only, and it's a long time (if ever) before the diet type is introduced, so I was happy to see it come out only in diet. I hope they have a diet version of this new flavor, so I can try it

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    2. Re:Well by FullCircle · · Score: 1

      Maybe it was bad marketing.

      Did anyone NOT think the commercial said "Put the lime in the coconut"?

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  18. High Fructose Corn Syrup by nuxx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's too bad that the new product will probably contain high fructose corn syrup, lending the typically thick, crappy mouthfeel and taste of all American sodas to the new product.

    I really wish big American soda manufacturers would use sugar again. Sugar-based sodas taste so much better.

    1. Re:High Fructose Corn Syrup by rbochan · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but with the large majority (no, I don't have the hard #'s) of farmable land in the US owned by Fortune 500 companies and large agribusinesses and producing corn, they've got to come up with some use for it to justify the farm subsidies they're given ($171 billion over a decade)...

      ...at least until they can come up with some sort of sugar product from soy, then the subsidies will go there instead.

      Like another poster a while back mentioned about another subject, they aren't going to give up those kinds of dollars without a fight.

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    2. Re:High Fructose Corn Syrup by Planesdragon · · Score: 1

      I really wish big American soda manufacturers would use sugar again. Sugar-based sodas taste so much better.

      No, not really.

      OTOH, at least you're not bitching about the supposed health benefits of granulated sugar against HFCS...

      While on the same hand--when was the last time you sent coke a letter asking them to make real-sugar based soda year round? "Kosher Coke" apparantly has real sugar, and so you should buy as much of it as you can use before it goes bad every time you can. Eventually, Coca-cola will get the message, and sell you the higher-priced soda you crave.

    3. Re:High Fructose Corn Syrup by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      More importantly, sugar is unnaturally expensive in the USA because of import regulations on foreign (cheaper) sugars. Thus a lot of american candy companies relocating to Canada.

      Also, most people do in fact prefer the syrup-sweetened taste to that of granulated sugar. Its been studied a lot.

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    4. Re:High Fructose Corn Syrup by wass · · Score: 1, Redundant
      I emailed Coca-Cola about this very issue about a year ago, sometime after I did an experiment to avoid all HFCS products. I still ate cookies and sweets and stuff, just those brands without HFCS, and I lost 15 pounds in 2-3 months without even meaning to, and without even trying.

      But anyway, Coca-Cola's response was that individual bottling factories have the choice which sweetener to use and that I should contact them. Of course these factories choose to cut costs by using the low-price HFCS.

      And remember two reasons HFCS is so cheap is because of government subsidies of corn farmers, and the embargo against Cuba (and it's huge sugar export economy).

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    5. Re:High Fructose Corn Syrup by wass · · Score: 1
      Also, most people do in fact prefer the syrup-sweetened taste to that of granulated sugar. Its been studied a lot.

      Can you link to one of these many studies you talk about? Preferrably one not funded by corn growers or their partners.

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    6. Re:High Fructose Corn Syrup by frankmu · · Score: 1

      You could move to Hawaii. i think the Hawaiian Coke uses local cane sugar. there is a taste difference.

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    7. Re:High Fructose Corn Syrup by nuxx · · Score: 1

      Since I'm not such a big fan of the big-name sodas anyway, I've taken to drinking Mexican sodas lately. They are sweetened with sugar, aren't as sweet as domestic sodas, and tend to come in really nice flavors. For example, two of my favorites are Sidral Mundet (apple) and Senorial Sangria. Or there is always the aforementioned Kosher Coke option, which can be had around here every once in a while.

    8. Re:High Fructose Corn Syrup by Lxy · · Score: 1

      Thank God for Splenda.

      It's not quite sugar, but it's way better than HFCS. I actually grew fond of Diet Coke with Splenda, tastes better than Coca-Cola. Now if only they would listen to their customer base and bring back real Coca-Cola with sugar. Coca-Cola Classic, my ass......

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    9. Re:High Fructose Corn Syrup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I learned in biochemistry that fructose is biochemically "sweeter" than sucrose. I don't know WHY; but it technically is.

      And as you know, in the US sweet == better most of the time.

    10. Re:High Fructose Corn Syrup by Planesdragon · · Score: 1

      I still ate cookies and sweets and stuff, just those brands without HFCS, and I lost 15 pounds in 2-3 months without even meaning to, and without even trying.

      Did you actually track your caloric intake, or just avoid HFCS products? You'd be surprised how much you can lose if you just always check the ingredients that go into what you eat and discard a common ingredient -- but this is due to a reduced caloric intake, most of the time.

      But anyway, Coca-Cola's response was that individual bottling factories have the choice which sweetener to use and that I should contact them. Of course these factories choose to cut costs by using the low-price HFCS.

      So, DID you contact the individual bottling company near you? There's probably a price where you could buy no-HFCS coca-cola right from them, although you might need to order an unusually large ammount at a time.

      And remember two reasons HFCS is so cheap is because of government subsidies of corn farmers, and the embargo against Cuba (and it's huge sugar export economy).

      Don't forget that HFCS is a liquid at room temperature, which gives a cost savings all of its own on top of the corn subsidy.

    11. Re:High Fructose Corn Syrup by Planesdragon · · Score: 1

      1: oh, yes, Splenda's great, once you get accustomed to the aftertaste and work out the proportions. (The aftertaste literally vanishes with the right proportion and acclimation.)

      2: So, where's YOUR letter to Coca-cola and your local bottling plant to request (and offer to buy) real-sugar coca-cola?

      3: I'm still looking for a source of about a quart of HFCS, so I can try it at home in things I would use table sugar for--like sweeting my coffee.

    12. Re:High Fructose Corn Syrup by Planesdragon · · Score: 1

      I learned in biochemistry that fructose is biochemically "sweeter" than sucrose. I don't know WHY; but it technically is.

      Well, yes. But there's frutcose in sucrose, and HFCS-55 is designed to be as-sweet as sucrose.

      While I haven't taken biochemistry, my understanding suggests that frutcose either has a closer moleclear match to our "sweet" sense, or frutcose just has more angles at which it matches. Well, that and in a study of human beings, more folk thought that frutctose was sweeter than sucrose than vice versa.

    13. Re:High Fructose Corn Syrup by wass · · Score: 1
      Did you actually track your caloric intake, or just avoid HFCS products?

      No, as I said before I wasn't trying to diet or anything, I just wanted to cut HFCS out of my diet. I didn't even think I'd lose weight at all. After a few months, on two occasions, people asked me if I was dieting because it looked like I had lost weight. I didn't believe them, but sure enough I did lose 10-15 pounds.

      And another thing that is mentioned is that HFCS inhibits the full feeling. So if the weight loss was due to me not eating enough calories, that's still a correlation because it means my appetite was further suppressed by avoiding HFCS products.

      So, DID you contact the individual bottling company near you?

      Yup, they never got back to me. Probably don't have the PR resources that the main Coca-Cola company does, and didn't want to waste their time with me, who they probably thought was a troublemaker and not a serious customer.

      HFCS is a liquid at room temperature, which gives a cost savings all of its own on top of the corn subsidy.

      I wonder if most Americans would be willing to pay 3% more on their manufactured food products if it would have a significant chance of helping them lose weight. After all, Americans spend hundreds of dollars on exercise equipment and gym memberships already.

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    14. Re:High Fructose Corn Syrup by Planesdragon · · Score: 1

      I wonder if most Americans would be willing to pay 3% more on their manufactured food products if it would have a significant chance of helping them lose weight.

      Yes, they would. But by and large HFCS doesn't cause weight gain, and claims to the contrary aren't borne about by statistics.

      I'd be interested in a counter-claim link, if you have one. My current opinion is formed because the argument by the corn-growers is a saner one than that born about by the anti-HFCS crowd, who never really address why they think HFCS is so much worse than just plain table sugar, which is itself pretty bad.

      (Got a cup of coffee with Splenda in hand, btw.)

    15. Re:High Fructose Corn Syrup by wass · · Score: 1
      But by and large HFCS doesn't cause weight gain, and claims to the contrary aren't borne about by statistics.

      Please let me know about such a study, preferrably not funded by groups with pro-corn interests.

      My current opinion is formed because the argument by the corn-growers is a saner one than that born about by the anti-HFCS crowd,

      The anti-HFCS crowd doesn't have potential millions of billions of dollars to risk losing. Similarly the anti-HFCS crowd can't afford millions of dollars for astroturf studies. Not saying the pro-corn groups are astroturfing, but with that much money at stake I wouldn't doubt it at all.

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    16. Re:High Fructose Corn Syrup by Planesdragon · · Score: 1
      But by and large HFCS doesn't cause weight gain, and claims to the contrary aren't borne about by statistics.

      Please let me know about such a study, preferrably not funded by groups with pro-corn interests.


      Show me a "study" on the topic at all. Any one. The "HFCS is like tobacco" crowd alludes to studies, but doesn't actually cite any.

      The only really alarming thing is that HFCS-55, the kind put in soft drinks to replace sugar, has 10% more fructose than an equal sweetness of sucrose. Which could be slightly bad, given that fructose can only be digested by the liver--but unless we start living on the stuff, most of our claories aren't going to come from the sugar anyway, and we're unliketly to wind up like rats in the study Ms. Forristal alludes to..

      I'd wager that, if we actually looked at the studies that such "planetary health" advocates as Newstarget allude to, we'd find a general argument against soft drinks at all, be they sweetened with sugar or HFCS.

      FWIW, the Wikipedia article on HFCS strikes a fair blance on the topic, and concludes as follows (emphasis added):

      Some nutritionists and natural food advocates believe that consumption of high fructose corn syrup should be avoided due to its possible links with obesity and diabetes. Also cited as reasons to avoid HFCS are that it is highly refined, that it might be produced from genetically modified corn, that various molds found on corn might leave harmful byproducts in the final product, or that corn products in general should be avoided. [2], [3] Other nutritionists say that HFCS is no more or less harmful than other forms of sugar and that all sugars should be consumed sparingly. It may be the case that confusion has arisen between the effects of consuming pure fructose as compared to pure glucose, versus the effects of consuming mixtures of the two sugars from different sources.


      I'd love a chance to purview any actual study on the effects of HFCS vs. table sugar (or even honey), but since no one seems able to even provide the name or journal in which a study appeared, I'm left to presume that there simply hasn't been any with a solid conclusion one way or another.
  19. Even better: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh yeah? Well this once "popular drink explodes on contact with snow! Pretty cool eh?

  20. But what about the flavour? by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1, Informative
    Real coffee is a natural flavour that is hard to reproduce effectively on a Coke-size commercial scale and will be expensive to do right. It is very different to the current process of using water, sugar and various waste products (caffeine from decaffeination processing, C02 etc)

    Anyone who wants to see how the caffeine gets from coffee into cola should read the National Geographic article.

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    1. Re:But what about the flavour? by SPY_jmr1 · · Score: 1, Troll

      Anyone who wants to be taken seriously about talking about chemicals in soda should know the difference between "C02" and CO2...

      Why do I feel like singing "One of these things is not like the other" from Seseme Street? Sheesh...

    2. Re:But what about the flavour? by wed128 · · Score: 2, Funny

      yea, seseme is spelled wrong, duh

    3. Re:But what about the flavour? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about you link to it, dumbass?

    4. Re:But what about the flavour? by SPY_jmr1 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      You're right, I did screw that up. I could have sworn that it was with two E's.

      But either way, it was not so much a misspelling I was correcting, but an entirly incorrect statement. When any number prefixed with a 0 (zero), without a decimal place, such as 0034, 04 or 02, the zero doesn't hold any meaning, and these become 34, 4, and 2.(period)

      Now, then, the difference between C02 (C zero two) and CO2 (C Oh 2). The first one, C02, since there is a zero there without a decimal, its meaning goes away, and we're left with just C2. I don't know about you, but i'd rather have fizz then carbon allotropes.

      Don't even get me started on people who mix up CO2 and Co2, ugh...

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    5. Re:But what about the flavour? by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

      What i would like to see is an RPG of some sort require the character to say the words " Can you tell me how , can you tell me how to get to Sesame Street?" just to get on topic is this one of those "energy Drinks" or will this be the same price as normal Coca-Cola?

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    6. Re:But what about the flavour? by bsartist · · Score: 3, Informative

      When any number prefixed with a 0 (zero), without a decimal place, such as 0034, 04 or 02, the zero doesn't hold any meaning

      It does if you're a programmer. It means the number is octal (base 8), just like a "0x" prefix means hexadecimal (base 16). Not that it matters for 2, which is the same in decimal, octal, or hex...

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    7. Re:But what about the flavour? by SPY_jmr1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Gah, I knew someone would hit that point. Kudos.

      Myself, I am not a programer, and I didn't want to spout off on something that I wasn't qualified to comment on.

      That said, thanks for the extra info!

      Good thing we don't have to spell things in octal using chemical suffuxes, or i'd never get those people to learn anything, hah!

      SPY

    8. Re:But what about the flavour? by RadioTV · · Score: 1

      Let me get this straight. You think that we should forgive your misspelling, but someone makes a type-o and hits an adjacent key and you should be allowed to make a big deal of it?

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    9. Re:But what about the flavour? by uncoveror · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They are trying all kinds of crazy stuff since the loss of Saskra Root ruined the taste of Coke Classic.

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    10. Re:But what about the flavour? by The_Wilschon · · Score: 1

      Unless you're a Scheme programmer. From R5RS,

      A number may be written in binary, octal, decimal, or hexadecimal by the use of a radix prefix. The radix prefixes are `#b' (binary), `#o' (octal), `#d' (decimal), and `#x' (hexadecimal). With no radix prefix, a number is assumed to be expressed in decimal.

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    11. Re:But what about the flavour? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you really use octal in your chemistry formulas? Do you write glucose as C06H014O06? If so, you are a very, very sick person! If you write glucose in hexadecimal as C0x6H0xCO0x6, you deserve to be flogged. Multiple times. With wet noodles. But if you write it in binary, you are cool (even I have to admit that)!

      I prefer scientific notation: C6E0H1.2E1O6E0

    12. Re:But what about the flavour? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      00000000000h! That's telling him!

    13. Re:But what about the flavour? by drsquare · · Score: 1

      If coffee's a difficult flavour to produce on a commercial scale, then how do they manage it in coffee flavoured ice-cream?

    14. Re:But what about the flavour? by Jonny_eh · · Score: 1

      I call shenanigans!!!

    15. Re:But what about the flavour? by Vicsun · · Score: 1

      I doubt the validity of the article you linked. How come a google search for Saskra yields nothing but the article you linked to, as opposed to botanical sites or some such?

    16. Re:But what about the flavour? by jrockway · · Score: 1

      Or even better, how do they make the canned/bottled coffee (in Japan) that CmdrTaco loves so much?

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    17. Re:But what about the flavour? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Fact-checking is important, and it's only going to get harder the more the internet fills up with so much satire and fabricated crap. Sadly I was suspicious about the source merely because it didn't look professional -- the funny thing is professional-looking sites don't necessarily have more accurate info. In this case the hunch is correct, but who's checking major new sites' facts? In so many cases it seems like... nobody (I vaguely recall having seen some instances of incorrect news stories on cnn, bbc, reuters, all over the place).

    18. Re:But what about the flavour? by chucks86 · · Score: 1

      Or even better, coffee-flavored coffee.

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    19. Re:But what about the flavour? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gump = SPY_jmr1

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    20. Re:But what about the flavour? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention drudge: very biased.

    21. Re:But what about the flavour? by TerminalInsanity · · Score: 1

      'Seseme' is a name and therefore should be capitalized!

    22. Re:But what about the flavour? by andreyw · · Score: 1

      Personally I'm not a fan of canned japanese coffee. The stuff I tried was straight coffee with no sugar. Cold coffee with no sugar tastes pretty asstastic.

    23. Re:But what about the flavour? by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      I take it you don't like maple nut crunch flavored coffee?

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    24. Re:But what about the flavour? by jrockway · · Score: 1

      Ah, no... that's bottled Japanese coffee. I always added milk, and it was pretty tasty. Come to think of it, I think we bought a box of that stuff (like 10 liters!) for like 1000 yen, and lived off of it. Good times.

      But, uh, andreyw... I don't think you've ever been to Japan. If you had, you'd know that they sell hot, sweetened, milky coffee, in cans, at your local neighborhood vending machine. As well as tea, iced tea, etc. It's great...

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    25. Re:But what about the flavour? by andreyw · · Score: 1

      Welcome to the global economy, Jon. This means I can to the Mitsuwa in Arlington Heights and buy japanese goods. I've had hot canned tea, sweetened tea, sweetened tea with milk - canned tea insofar has been pretty good (but again, it's hard to fubar tea). I've seen no sweetened coffee insofar.

      If I recall correctly, some years back they had a japanese PS2 on sale for Astro-prices, before it came out in the US.

    26. Re:But what about the flavour? by jrockway · · Score: 1

      Haha, mitsuwa is not at all like Japan. The things come from Japan, but it's not a cross-section of what you can buy there -- it's what happens to be imported, not what's most popular in Tokyo.

      You can disagree with me, but you'd be wrong.

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    27. Re:But what about the flavour? by andreyw · · Score: 1

      No shit. Now go back to my post and find the sentence where I claim otherwise.

  21. I for one.. by OmgTEHMATRICKS · · Score: 2, Funny

    Welcome absolutely everyone to saying "Ew ew ew ew ew ew ew."

  22. coffee soda by bongo_X · · Score: 1

    Starbucks used to have a coffee soda called Mazagran (I think with Pepsi) many years ago but it seems like only 3 people in the world remember it. I found it once on the web somewhere. There's also smaller companies that make coffe soda already, like Borgnine's. Yes, that's Ernset Borgnine's daughter. I'm not sure if it's still around but there are some other coffee soda's out there.

    1. Re:coffee soda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's also smaller companies that make coffe soda already, like Borgnine's.

      You mean Borgnine, as in Ernest Borgnine?

      Yes, that's Ernset Borgnine's daughter.

      That's not what I asked. And who's Ernset?

    2. Re:Coffee soda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bibicaffe is good too. It's a carbonated espresso and comes in tiny 6oz bottles.

  23. Why not carbonated coffee? by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

    Here in Germany they carbonate pretty much everything else under the sun. I never thought they would carbonate apple juice, but damn, after trying my first Lift ApfelSchorle, I was hooked. That is damn good stuff, and under a euro to boot(actually cheaper than a lot of cola you buy in a store in the US)

    1. Re:Why not carbonated coffee? by Hrothgar+The+Great · · Score: 1

      When I was in Germany, my language skills being as rusty as they are, it took me a couple of tries to be able to differentiate between regular water and carbonated water in stores, since they basically look the same before you open the bottle and take a drink.

      I never got used to having a big mouthful of bubbly water on a hot summer day.

  24. Hehehe, those silly cola companies.... by ShyGuy91284 · · Score: 1

    They seem to never give up.... I've had some fairly good ones (cheery Pepsi/coke, vanilla pepsi/coke) that haven't completely died out, but I've had some rather bad (pepsi lime) and some rather terrible (Pepsi Christmas, with cinnamon and other Xmas flavors in it) beverages. I still don't understand how the christmas pepsi made it out of the lab.... It was like drinking pepsi out of a rusty plugged gutter... Wouldn't even drink it if I was desperate....

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    1. Re:Hehehe, those silly cola companies.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I liked the Christmas Pepsi. I hope they bring it back this year, actually.

    2. Re:Hehehe, those silly cola companies.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It was like drinking pepsi out of a rusty plugged gutter

      "I love coffee in a cup, little fuzzy pups, bourbon in a glass, and grass."
      "I love little country streams, sleep without dreams, Sunday school in May, and hay."
      "I love little baby ducks, old pick-up trucks, slow movin trains, and rain."

  25. oh cool by tuxette · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How many do I have to drink before I'm dead?

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    1. Re:oh cool by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      Hehe, kinda amusing, but drinking 200-400 sodas would take so long that the half-life of caffeine in your blood would be surpassed.

      In other words, you'd be in a race with your liver, and your liver would probably win as you get sick of forcing down yet another cola after doing it for 24 hours straight and only knocking out 50-100.

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  26. Coffee soda by ExRex · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Personally, I prefer my coffee soda straight. Manhattan Special baby.

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  27. Not new... by LouisZepher · · Score: 1

    This is far from new. I recall about eight or nine years ago, a product called Java Cola (which was actually quite good).

    1. Re:Not new... by proverbialcow · · Score: 1

      I bought a bottle of this back in the early-to-mid 90's and for one reason or another never got around to drinking it.

      So, I still have a bottle of Java Cola.

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  28. Kahlua and fizzy water by cyber_rigger · · Score: 1


    It's actually not bad.

    I don't know if you would want ruin it with Coke though.

    1. Re:Kahlua and fizzy water by damsa · · Score: 2, Informative

      A white russian with coke is actually pretty good. Kalua, Milk, Vodka and Coke.

    2. Re:Kahlua and fizzy water by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Funny

      A white russian with coke is actually pretty good.

      Leave my mail-order bride out of this.

  29. I remember it too... by Crash+Culligan · · Score: 1

    I don't know if it was being marketed in my area at the time, but I was at a convention in a neighboring city, and saw it in a store as I was buying up practically every other soda they had. (It was that kind of convention.)

    Unfortunately, as I was trying to severely restrict my sugar intake at the time, I never actually tasted much of it and can't remember how good or swill-like it was. The terrible, ironic tragedy is that if they'd come out with a diet version at the time, I would have jumped on it, and may even have bought up much more.

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    1. Re:I remember it too... by BTWR · · Score: 2, Informative

      i don't remember if i saw it or not back then, but according to this link, there seems to have been a Diet Pepsi Kona (look at the picture shown).

  30. Manhattan Special rocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    It's been around since 1895, and is made from high-quality espresso:
    http://www.manhattanspecial.com/homepage.html
    Next time you're in NYC you should try it out...
    1. Re:Manhattan Special rocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The first, the best and the only brand of coffee soda I'll drink. Manhattan Special. I've been drinking it for 25 years now.

    2. Re:Manhattan Special rocks by computervredebreuk · · Score: 1

      I first learned about Manhattan Specials from a New Yorker friend about 25 years ago and, luckily, a local italian deli stocks them so I can still get my occasional fix...but don't count on your average run of the mill New Yorker knowing anything about them...I travel in and out of the city a lot and have run into very few of the people I've worked with who even knew of them let alone where to get them....now if they're caffeine addicts like me, you could be in luck. Manhattan Specials are an acquired taste and steer clear of the sugar free version unless your taste buds are completely knocked out. The small bottles are just the right size but for the true junkie they now have quarts. Count on one quart keeping you up for the whole night. They're the perfect compliment to a meal of sausages stuffed with peppers and onions with a side of home fries. (The real deal...sliced thin and cooked golden brown with sweet onions, not the over the top imitation diced crap polluted with paprika that some eateries pass off as home fries!)

  31. Let me guess by dyfet · · Score: 1
    They mix in twice the caffine? And the stock in companies that make defibrillators saw a rise in this announcement while dentistry groups everywhere welcomed a coffee drink that uses teeth melting corn syrup!

    1. Re:Let me guess by saskboy · · Score: 1

      These drinks all have too much sugar and caffine in them. I have a hard time keeping my jaw off the floor when someone tells me they drink 2L of Coke or other pop a day. Not surprisingly, a large portion of these people are large human portions.

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  32. Adult cola? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "We believe we have created a new category of soft drink - an adult product in a carbonated beverage"

    The int^H^H^HCoca Cola is for porn!
  33. Well, that makes sense ... by kitzilla · · Score: 1
    ... develop a product for the mass-market using a character most English-speakers don't know how to type or pronounce.

    Brought to you, apparently, by the geniuses who marketed New Coke.

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    1. Re:Well, that makes sense ... by msuarezalvarez · · Score: 1

      Maybe they are interested in the 5.5 billion people out there in the world?

    2. Re:Well, that makes sense ... by kitzilla · · Score: 1

      They want to make 5.5 billion people puke?

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  34. And this is related to tech ... how? by almound · · Score: 1

    If /. degenerates into run-of-the-mill advertising ... it already is tech advertising ... then it ain't worth it. I've TV for run-of-the-mill advertising.

  35. adult products? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well atleast we know how they will sell it.

    "a new category of soft drink - an adult product in a carbonated beverage"

    but are batteries included?

  36. Sounds interesting by RalphSleigh · · Score: 1

    I might try this once, it sounds like its going to be one of those love/hater relationships though..

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  37. Sounds like Coffee NT by Jepler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A few years ago, some friends and I tried combining cold coffee with carbonated water from a soft-drink machine.

    Because of the taste of the stuff, we christened it "Coffee NT", which stood for "Not Tasty".

    Perhaps we were missing the secret ingredient, though. Corn syrup. Lots of corn syrup.

    1. Re:Sounds like Coffee NT by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      About a decade ago there was a small (independant?) soda company in New England producing a coffee soda. I think they had a few different flavors (hazelnut, etc.). It was mildly sweet, but not excessively, and not overly carbonated. Very good. I forget the name - does anybody remember?

      But if there's even a residue of coffee in my cup when I pour in some Cola I can't stand it, so there's something magical being done at Coke to avoid this. Then again, maybe it just tastes awful like Vanilla Coke or, what was that asufulmate sweetended Coke a few years back - ewww.

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    2. Re:Sounds like Coffee NT by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      So with corn syrup it becomes... Coffee XP?

  38. Old news by EiZei · · Score: 1

    I have been able to buy "cappucino pepsi" from the local supermarket for weeks now. It does taste like shit though.

    1. Re:Old news by jhalme · · Score: 1

      I wholeheartedly agree. The label looks strikingly similar to the usual Pepsi Max one, so I picked up a bottle of the cappucino variety at the supermarket. "What the hell, let's give it a try", I thought and put it into my shopping basket - a big mistake. At first, it doesn't taste much different than the usual Max, but the aftertaste is something truly horrible. Avoid it at all costs. Judging from the Google hits for "Pepsi Max Cappucino", it seems that this is a Finland-only product, though.

      I just wish they'd bring back the "Wild Cherry" -flavour from a few years back - that was really great, even better than Dr. Pepper (well, better than the watered-down version of it we have here anyway).

  39. The only other time I've seen that... by Will_Malverson · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here in scenic Idaho, we have a senator named Mike Crapo. His campaign signs always have a nice, tasteful line of stars over the a in his name. I'm guessing he's a bit sensitive about mispronunciations. Either Firefox or Slashdot won't show the character 257.

    1. Re:The only other time I've seen that... by Daxster · · Score: 1

      With a name like that, no wonder he doesn't want mispronounciations!

      (assuming it's "cra-POH", I guess).

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    2. Re:The only other time I've seen that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The bar over the A indicates it's long, so it would be CRAY-poh.

    3. Re:The only other time I've seen that... by takeya · · Score: 1

      That's what I was guessing.

    4. Re:The only other time I've seen that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      cray poo? bläk!

    5. Re:The only other time I've seen that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  40. No sugar? by 100MphBackslidingTur · · Score: 1

    I thought Coke had ongoing issues with black? http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45a/338.html

  41. Re:Soulless marketing... via /. by rbochan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You think the marketers are bad?
    At least they (I mean really, "boost"... just a coincidence eh?) were able to get an "article" posted to slashdot containing a solitary link to the corporate press release along with a one lin blurb about the "new" product. I hope taco got at least a new car out of the deal.

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  42. Beat the rush by kitzilla · · Score: 4, Funny
    Coca-Cola Blak is not just a flavor extension. It is a blend of unique Coke refreshment with the true essence of coffee and has a rich smooth texture and has a coffee-like froth when poured.

    Awesome ... a soft drink with crema. OMFG.

    Do I have to wait until I actually try this soft drink to throw up? Or can I beat the rush and just put a finger down my throat now?

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  43. Not yet for US consumption by CmdrPorno · · Score: 1

    TFA says that France will be the first market for the beverage, starting in 2006.

    So, the Europeans once again get all the cool stuff. They have H & M, they have Renault, Alfa Romeo, Fiat, Skoda, and other cool cars that we can't get here in th U.S...

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    1. Re:Not yet for US consumption by Chaffar · · Score: 1
      they have Renault, Alfa Romeo, Fiat, Skoda, and other cool cars that we can't get here in th U.S...

      Skoda ? Fiat ?Renault? Cool cars?

      You forgot other classic European gems such as the Dacia Logan, and my personal favorite, the latest Lada Niva!

    2. Re:Not yet for US consumption by slashdotmsiriv · · Score: 1

      You must consider your self very lucky you don't get fiat, lancia and alfa romeo. I mean these cars are as unreliable as it gets, although alfa has a performance and style edge that may make you consider it.
      On the other hand french cars including renault have prooven to be pretty reliable, cost efficient, decent performers and with very good road behavior (better than most japanese, little less good than german). I believe the american consumer should have the choice between them and I do not understand why they are not imported here. Someone has blacklisted France is my ...wild guess.
      Skoda used to be a chezh company, producing crappy LADA-like cars. Yet it is currently under the VW group, and consumers appear to be very happy in every respect with them, plus their price is very good because it is a newly marketed brand.

    3. Re:Not yet for US consumption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, are you saying that ALL European cars aren't sports and/or luxury cars? Somebody call the news!

  44. Too young to recall The Great 80's Coke Disatster? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is this new Coke ...

    I think that they'd rather that you didn't call it New Coke .

    I remember this horrible time for humanity. I personally felt as if aliens had kidnapped my best friend and replaced him with a tasteless plastic replica. It was a lesson on why you should never trust marketers (although the comeback was a hell of a coup).

    p.s.: No matter what they say Real Coke ("Classic") still does not taste as good as it did in the late 70's! (Or in the late 80's for that matter, but that's another century and another story. )

  45. Remember New Coke? by ZetSabre · · Score: 1

    Don't worry, it's just a trick so that when it fails, they can market Coca-Cola Classic as "Coca-Cola without Coffee"

  46. Re:Different THAN? by Woldry · · Score: 1

    Actually, Fowler prefers "different to".

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  47. I'm not the only one! by 50000BTU_barbecue · · Score: 1
    About 8 years ago I lived in Montreal near Warshaw's. They sold cases of Java Cola. It was the single most delicious soda I've ever had. Warshaw's has since disappeared from the Main, and I can't find Java Cola anywhere. It was a sweet, very carbonated and very coffee flavored drink, not too much caffeine.

    Whenever I mention it, I get blank stares. Like when I ask for Bitter Lemon...

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    1. Re:I'm not the only one! by LouisZepher · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, maybe it was just a northeast thing, as I lived in NY at the time. But yeah, it was sweet, and even came in other flavors. The Mocha-Cola was awesome.

  48. Tia Maria by Hieronymus+Howard · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I always add Tia Maria to my coke. It gives it a delicious coffee flavour + alchcol. What more do you need?

    (note that I only drink coke at home, not at work. My daytime caffienated beverage of choice is Irn Bru - something that you can probably only get here in the UK)

    1. Re:Tia Maria by Phantasmo · · Score: 1

      My local grocery store carries Irn-Bru. However, it is produced at Canadian factories and contains no caffeine!
      Loblaws also carries Brio and other tasty-yet-elusive sodas.

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  49. Re:, not A by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

    While I agree with your comment in general, in this case it's not an umlaut. The bar over a letter is called a macron.

    Correct! Here's the wikipedia entry for it.

    The macron creates a "long" vowel, so the correct pronounciation for the product is "blake".

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  50. Re:Soulless marketing... via /. by Viceice · · Score: 1

    meh... you give them too little credit. Not only did they do what you said they did, they did it while making it look like an "Accident" and didn't have to fork out for a car for taco...

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  51. Good + Good = Vomit by TheRon6 · · Score: 5, Funny

    A few weeks ago, while in a slightly drunken state, I came up with the great idea of mixing Yoo-hoo and gin together with a 1:1 ratio. Both are so great seperate that they must be SUPER great together! I imagine that Coca-Cola may soon face the same bitter-sweet failure I did. It seemed like such a good idea at the time...

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    1. Re:Good + Good = Vomit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gin is the most vile, nauseating, putrid liquor I have ever tasted, and that's including Jagermeister. Tastes like pine-scented floor cleaner. God!!! The memory of it makes my skin crawl.

      Vodka, now that's some good shit. Put some Yoohoo in that!

    2. Re:Good + Good = Vomit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My favorite is gin with the vinegar/white wine fluid that comes with expensive pickled gherkins.
      More gin than gherkin juice is advised, about 60% gin works for me.

    3. Re:Good + Good = Vomit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm trying to imagine the scenario where you decide its a good idea to use the liquid from a jar of gherkins in your drink........

      Damn it, i'm going to have to try this now.

      cheers

    4. Re:Good + Good = Vomit by kartracer_66 · · Score: 1

      Next time use Kahlua.

  52. Interesting... by cosmotron · · Score: 1, Funny

    So this drink will help your liver and rot your teeth at the same time. Thats a bit weird.

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  53. Hear Hear! by wass · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Definitely. American companies put way too much HFCS (High Fructose Corn Syrup) in their products, and it's nasty stuff. About two years ago I decided to avoid HFCS, but still eat sweets like I normally would. Ie, I still ate ice cream, cookies, sodas, cereal, etc, but only those brands that use cane sugar instead of HFCS. You can get good products at places like Whole Foods (pricy) or Trader Joes (similar price or even cheaper than a supermarket). [In fact, Trader Joes cereals, which don't have HFCS, are cheaper than the corresponding kinds from Kelloggs and General Mills which do have HFCS.] Anyway, the interesting result is that, without meaning to, I lost about 15 pounds while still eating all the desserts I wanted, just by avoiding HFCS!.

    One thing is that HFCS seems to do is inhibit the 'full' feeling you get after eating, so you can eat more if your food has HFCS. Great news for food companies, not good news for American health.

    It is annoying because food with real sugar just tastes much better, and is healthier. In most other countries products like Coca-Cola has cane sugar, but here in the USA all products substitute HFCS. I once emailed Coca-Cola about this a few years ago, they said it's up to local bottlers to decide which sweetener to use. And of course they cut corners and go for the cheap stuff.

    Some companies use this to their advantage because ignorant people see CORN instead of SUGAR and think the product is healthier. Ie, Kelloggs Corn Pops used to be called Sugar Pops. By making the change, parents thought Corn sounded much healthier than sugar, so they have no problem giving this cereal to their kids, when it has the same amount of calories, yet uses HFCS instead of cane or beet sugar.

    Unfortunately midwestern corn farmers have alot of political power, and politicians, aiming for approval in the early Iowa primaries, are likely to bow down to these farmers in order to get the party nomination. The corn lobby has huge power, both political and economical, and they choose to market HFCS instead of doing something productive such as growing biofuels with the corn instead.

    Another thing is that it's more expensive to import and use cane sugar than to process corn into HFCS. I am not certain of this, but I would theorize that one big factor is due to the embargo we put on Cuba after Castro came to power in 1959. Cuba was a huge source of cane sugar (their chief export), so the embargo basically crippled their economy overnight and impeded a huge source of sugar cane into the USA. So corn farmers, along with massive chemical processing to produce the HFCS, filled the void.

    Anyway, that is my rant, I hate HFCS, and it's good to see more people becoming aware of it. I really do think that just by substituting cane sugar for HFCS there will be a notable change in America's obesity problem. It probably won't cure the problem, but I think there would be definite effects.

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    1. Re:Hear Hear! by LeftOfCentre · · Score: 1

      Interesting post. I'm not quite familiar with HFCS -- in Sweden they typically use aspartam or sorbitol for the "diet" drinks, and those sweeteners contain a LOT less calories than the equivalent drinks with real sugar. I have two 1.5 litre bottles of "julmust", a popular Christmas soda here in Sweden, in front of me for comparison.

      The regular product with sugar contains 35 kcal per 100 ml, which is 35 * 1.5 / 0.1 = 525 kcal for the full bottle. That's about half of the calories of a typical lunch at a restaurant here. So that's pretty significant, especially given that restaurant lunches are typically not very healthy.

      The "light" or diet version of the same soda contains 3 kcal per 100 ml, i.e. 3 * 1.5 / 0.1 = 45 kcal. That's about half of the calories in a banana. In other words, almost negligible.

      The downside with these ingredients is a possible link to cancer (still uncertain and controversial) and I've also read that these sweeteners, like the HFCS you described, inhibits the "full" feeling.

    2. Re:Hear Hear! by wass · · Score: 1

      Yeah, we still have 'diet' products with similar synthetic sweeteners you mention. The problem is that the 'normal' or 'sugar' versions of products that used to use real sugar no longer do. It's tough to find sweet products without HFCS at a typical supermarket, as the HFCS is used by most big companies (eg Nabisco) because they save a few pennies. Interestingly, almost every country outside the USA uses real sugar, it seems to be only the USA that uses this HFCS crap.

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    3. Re:Hear Hear! by SuperRob · · Score: 1

      So why is it you gain more weight eating things with Corn Syrup than Sugar? It's because corn syrup is not only extremely hydroscopic, but that it contains a lot of glucose, which everyone should know can wreak havoc on your insulin levels.

    4. Re:Hear Hear! by wass · · Score: 1
      Actually, I think it's the other way around. Sucrose is a diglyceride of 50% fructose and 50% glucose. HFCS has higher concentrations of fructose, at least 55% maybe higher. Corn farmer unions claim that since sucrose is 50% fructose, the HFCS should have the same effect on the body since it's only 5% different. However, metabolism is a complicated chemical process and it's quite possible that the extra 5% can wreak more havoc on the system.

      The other thing is that HFCS is understood to suppress the 'full' feeling, leading people with HFCS in their diet to eat alot more.

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    5. Re:Hear Hear! by MKalus · · Score: 1

      There have been studies done where they fed pure fructose to mice and others got normal sugar. The ones on the fructose gained weight almost instantly. It seems that the sugars are so simple that the body doesn't "register" them as energy and just plain either puts them straight to use or just puts them into storage.

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    6. Re:Hear Hear! by Panaphonix · · Score: 2, Informative

      Fructose is metabolized by the liver and converted directly into fat. Glucose is used by every single one of your cells. Also in sucrose, the two molecules are bound together, which takes some energy to break up. In HFCS the two are already separate. Lastly, HFCS is the devil.

    7. Re:Hear Hear! by schon · · Score: 1

      Glucose is used by every single one of your cells.

      Not only that, but it's fuel for your brain. :o)

    8. Re:Hear Hear! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very interesting take. So have you kept the weight off?

    9. Re:Hear Hear! by wass · · Score: 1

      More or less, eg I bought new pants a size or two smaller and I'm still wearing them. However I cheat sometimes, eg at a holiday party somewhere where there's no choice but to eat the HFCS stuff. But more-or-less yeah.

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    10. Re:Hear Hear! by radish · · Score: 1

      HFCS isn't used because it's low calorie, it's not, it's used becase it's low cost. The diet versions here contain the same artifical sweetners as in Sweden, this is the non-diet versions we're talking about.

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    11. Re:Hear Hear! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing is bad in moderation. Or at least worrying about. Drink water most of the time and I doubt you have to worry what the occasional cup of coffee, wine, hard liquor, soda does to you.

      I repeat simple common sense - drink water most of the time. It seems nothing else is safe these days. Some weeks it comes out that red wine/coca-cola/coffee is good because of X and then the next week it's bad because of Y.

      Above all - don't drink the shit that has 'corn syrup' or 'high fruchtose corn syrup' or whatever 'syrup' in it. It'll just get you diabetes faster. This includes most sweet drinks not diet. Like Starbucks Frappacinos at the next 7-eleven.

      I'm serious about water. Up to 50 years ago, most people had water most of the time. It's good for you body and there is nothing for your kidneys/liver has to filter. Now, I know people who wouldn't look at a glass water - much less have one for days on end - instead ingesting endless gallons of soda. I hate to see their health 20 years down the road.

      It's probably going to get worse in the future as this generation are accustomed to the friendly coca-cola vending machines besides the non-working water founta in schools these days.

      Coffee is bad because it encourages you to consume more calories through milk and sugar, plus it has caffiene and the various crap that goes with it. I think caffeine is more of a addiction - I seen people who never had coffee before turn into caffeine addicts who needed a cup 'to wake up' and then one at lunch and then another at 4pm. I wouldn't care but they actually became cranky if they didn't get their fix.

      Not that I don't like a good cappacino at lunch myself. But if common sense prevailed and people didn't have an insatiable want of drinking something more 'tasty' or sugary or exotic or whatever at every turn - I doubt reports of this kind would worry anybody.

      *I'd say unsweetended green tea is okay too in mass quantities but then there will be a report out next week:)

    12. Re:Hear Hear! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      I picked up a package of Whole Grain Fig Newtons yesterday - "Want to eat right but still want some taste?" or something similar on the package. Sweetened with... you guessed it.

      Probably some mono and diglycerides in there too, for good measure, but I didn't need to read that far down the list to decide to put it back on the shelf.

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    13. Re:Hear Hear! by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 1

      I'm not the above AC but I'd be interested to hear about what were some of the more major sources of HFCS besides soda and how/where you were able to find substitutes.

      We have a few Trader Joe's around here, I wish they were closer but a great store overall. And yes, the prices are quite nice; in particular their cheeses are much less than the supermarket, and they've got a nice selection as well. I don't find the cereal to be cheaper, though; at least not when the supermarket brands go on sale so often. But it's a fair price.

    14. Re:Hear Hear! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd be suprised at what doesn't have HFCS. If it's sweet and it's in a supermarket in the US it is probably made with HFCS. Just look on the packaging on the back.

    15. Re:Hear Hear! by SamTheButcher · · Score: 1
      Other interesting information that comes from a position of science, for others that are interested in learning more about it.

      Me? I'm on this diet to help with my ulcerative colitis, and it's working very well. I lost about 20 lbs and have had to replace my whole wardrobe. But just try to get most people to give up grains and refined sugars. They'd rather stay fat and unhealthy.

    16. Re:Hear Hear! by SamTheButcher · · Score: 1

      The worst part is that, for some reason, HFCS is listed as "natural". I guess because it's made from corn or something. But they can list "natural" on a package and still be within federal guidelines. When buying food for my kids, I scan the ingredient list first for HFCS and if I see it, I put it back. My wife doesn't necessarily do that, so some stuff sneaks through. But I'm trying to do right by the health of my kids.

    17. Re:Hear Hear! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "what were some of the more major sources of HFCS besides soda"

      Yet another AC (YAAC!), here. In the USA, corn syrup is used in most candy and other sweets, some infant formulas, even many breads and snacks. It's everywhere. The only practical way to really get around it is to eat whole foods (steaks/roasts, vegetables, fruits, etc.). Of course, the credit-rich yuppie types can buy the 'natural foods' that have 'evaporated cane juice' in them.

    18. Re:Hear Hear! by wass · · Score: 2, Informative
      My girlfriend and I primarily shop at Trader Joes, and then split the other shopping at either the local supermarket or Whole Foods. The TJ's is only 15 minutes away, so it's not too inconvenient.

      I find the cereals there pretty good, at least from what I remember from supermarket cereals. They also have good juices, what we primarily get is the lemonades and limeades. Actually, most of what I drink at home now is watered-down lemonade or limeade, usually 2/3 water and 1/3 the *ade. So that helps too in reducing calories, but still getting a hint of something tasteful. After drinking this watered-down for a few weeks, the full-strength lemonades feel like drinking battery acid (not that I've done that, mind you).

      The primary things I get from TJ's to replace the HFCS items from the supermarket are cereal, juices/drinks, and cookies. Just doing those substitutions for a few months is how I lost some weight. I would also buy their ready-to-go lunches (eg the chinese, mexican, or indian foods), which are about $3, and much cheaper than buying lunch at the cafeteria at school, but not sure if that lunch would have HFCS. But that definitely helps on the budget. And yes, I was just talking yesterday about how some of their cheeses (eg Yarlsburg) is cheaper than the identical brand sold in the supermarket.

      One thing to NOTE - many of the bread items at TJ's DO have HFCS, and I was pretty shocked and somewhat let down to see this. Hopefully this doesn't signal a trend that they'll follow with other items. So make sure you read the labels. But that's another common area for HFCS - it's a 'browner' for bread items, so many things like pizza dough can have it for that nice golden-brown color.

      If the TJ's are far from you, try buying in bulk, you'll save gas money too. We go about once a week, sometimes once in two weeks, and usually buy many boxes of cereal, many bottles of juice and lemonade, etc. We find their dairy products to also be of good quality and decent price.

      But anyway, before sounding too much like a commercial for TJ's, just try to avoid HFCS as much as you can for a few months and see what happens. Before the 'diet' I would drink soda and iced tea with lunch, both with HFCS. I'd drink cranberry juice cocktail or grape juice (supermarket brands WITH HFCS) at home. I'd also nosh on cookies and other sweet snacks with HFCS, etc. Cut that crap out and replace with healthy non-HFCS alternatives and you should hopefully lose some pounds and feel better. But you don't have to go cold-turkey with sweets, just choose carefully what you're putting through your body.

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    19. Re:Hear Hear! by parvin · · Score: 1

      The main reason that cane sugar is so expensive in the US has nothing to do with the Cuba embargo, and everything to do with American sugar beet farmers who have one of the sweetest (pun intended) farm subsidy/tarrif deals. Imported cane sugar (mostly from the Carribean) is taxed heavily, which is why prices are so high. In fact, much granulated sugar in the supermarket is beet sugar, not cane sugar. The taste is different, if you pay attention. If it doesn't say "pure cane sugar" it's probably beet-derived.

    20. Re:Hear Hear! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shortening/partially-hydrogenated oil is probably more dangerous than HFCS any day.

    21. Re:Hear Hear! by mpe · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think it's the other way around. Sucrose is a diglyceride of 50% fructose and 50% glucose. HFCS has higher concentrations of fructose, at least 55% maybe higher. Corn farmer unions claim that since sucrose is 50% fructose, the HFCS should have the same effect on the body since it's only 5% different. However, metabolism is a complicated chemical process and it's quite possible that the extra 5% can wreak more havoc on the system.

      Note that a 50/50 mixture of fructose and glucose is not the same as sucrose. When dealing with organic and especially biological chemical processes what appear to be small chemical differences.

      The other thing is that HFCS is understood to suppress the 'full' feeling, leading people with HFCS in their diet to eat alot more.

      Tiny quantities of a chemical can have very dramatic effects on living organisms. Many pharamcuticals having milligrammes of active ingredients, with a lot of "filler" so you have a resonable sized pill or a potion you can measure with a teaspoon. Even though in the US the same agency regulates both food and drugs the idea that foods may contain drugs significent to weight gain/loss tends to be considered "fringe". With the status quo being to simply measure the energy released when foods are burned in high preassure oxygen, even though it's rather obvious that nothing like this happens in any living organism.

    22. Re:Hear Hear! by mpe · · Score: 1

      Fructose is metabolized by the liver and converted directly into fat.

      Because that's all a mammalian biochemical system can do with it.

      Glucose is used by every single one of your cells. Also in sucrose, the two molecules are bound together, which takes some energy to break up.

      Does the digestive system simply split sucrose into glucose and fructose? Or is it possible for the digestive system to just extract the glucose from sucrose? Any biochemists familiar with the reactions and enzymes involved...

    23. Re:Hear Hear! by cloudmaster · · Score: 1

      Any diet that suggests giving up a whole section of foods - like saying to "avoid grains" - is a bad idea. Period. If it's temporary for a medical or immediate weight loss gain, fine, but doing things like that which aren't sustainable is just bad. Also, saying that people who eat grains are unhealthy is just ignorant (not neccesarily the same thign as "stupid"). Refined sugars are one thing, but lumping all grains in there. Hmph. There are places where people live almost exclusively *on* grains or have grain as a major part of their diet (I guess there's no rice on this diet, either?), and have for centuries. These places aren't full of fat, unhealthy people...

    24. Re:Hear Hear! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm inclined to not take science advice from someone who uses "hydroscopic" - which isn't a word, AFACIT - when they probably mean hygroscopic. That's not a typo, it's not knowing the correct term...

    25. Re:Hear Hear! by SamTheButcher · · Score: 1
      Sorry...I was referring to a diet as a way of eating, not a means to lose weight. I lost weight as a byproduct of changing my eating habits. I'm assuming you read the link and didn't just go from my comments, but I'll elaborate just in case. The idea is that the intestinal flora of people with digestive disorders is out of whack, and not brought on by stress or other environmental issues. (See H. Pylori and peptic ulcers) However, the imbalance is exacerbated by long-chain sugar and starch molecules. The "diet" that I'm on consists of eating foods more along the lines of what humans evolved eating, not the grains and sugars that have been cultivated and used over what's been fairly recent in human evolution, the past 10,000 years or so. If you don't believe in evolution, then the theory will be lost on you. ;)

      That said, my personal motto is "All things in moderation, including moderation." Where you see grains used in excess, especially refined grains and sugars, you see larger instances of obesity and diabetes. North America and Europe style first world countries. That's where the "fat and unhealthy" comment came from, and more from a point that if overweight people cut back or cut out those things, they'd typically see their weight fall drastically, but they choose not to, and see their waistlines increase while their overall health decreases. Farming grains became a way for humans to move from hunter-gatherers to agriculture, since they didn't have to forage for food, as the grains were able to be stored in bulk pre-ingestion, and stored as usable energy post-digestion. The Chinese & Japanese use rice, but don't base their entire diet on it. They eat other, more natural foods along with them. But you also don't see them eating half-loaves of bread piled with condiments containing HFCS constantly either. Well, not until recently, anyway.

      Interestingly, diseases like Ulcerative Colitis and Crohn's are seen in much higher rates in "developed" countries than in third-world countries.

      Finally, I've formally consulted with three different doctors - one current and also my gastroenterologist - while being on this diet, and informally consulted a nurse friend of mine who happens to be (IMO) very wise, and not one of them has said it's a "bad idea". Especially in light of the fact that this change in eating habits has helped to lessen my symptoms more than any one other thing I've done in the 11 years I've been diagnosed with Ulcerative Colitis. I'm not sure why you say it's not sustainable. I'd be interested to hear why you think that.

    26. Re:Hear Hear! by SamTheButcher · · Score: 1
      Combine the two and LOOK OUT! :)

      I recently converted them to butter instead of margarine as well. So there.

    27. Re:Hear Hear! by cloudmaster · · Score: 1

      The "unststainable" comment was in general, not neccesarily aimed directly at this diet. For this diet in particular, basically, whenever I see something that references "toxins" I dismiss it as quackery - especially if it talks about things like a "toxic bowel" or "adjusting the intestinal flora" (H. Pylori is mainly known for causing ulcers in the stomach, not intestine, though). But hey, if it's working for you, that's great. I don't think there's a catch-all for everyone, though, and I'd quite honestly like to hear from someone who's stuck with that diet for 10-20 years. It's good that you're treating it like a lifetime choice, though. Props for that. :)

      I'm particularly taking issue with the idea of removing all starchy substances from the diet. All grains, corn, and potatoes are bad? That sounds a whole lot like a gimmick and not much like real science. Pushing "more natural" foods sounds pretty gimmicky as well. Stricknine is natural. Cyanide occurs naturally. Death is natural. Simly being "natural" doesn't make something a good idea for health. :) Science is often a good thing. Also, the places where grains are used "in excess" are also often places where people in general lead more sedentary lives, and tend to eat more fatty foods, as well as having a bazillion other factors outside of eating bread regularly. I'm inclined to believe that eating lots of fat and sitting on a couch after a hard day at work sitting in a chair might be the bigger reason for high rates of obesity, personally. :)

      As far as Dr. consultation goes, great. But were any of those Doctors also dieticians? Doctors, contrary to popular belief, aren't gods. They don't know everything. Even general practitioners only generally learn about how the systems work and interact. In general, the MD's training doesn't include much food science, if any. That's a whole separate degree path. So yeah, I'll grant points for at least asking *someone* who's apt to know *something*, and I'm not implying that they're wrong, but it still might be a good idea to run your diet by someone who's an actual dietician unaffiliated with the program in question (my grandmother was a registered dietician and my wife's an accredited clinical lab scientist, so perhaps I'm just biased against MDs). You were right about the "everything in moderation" thing, and it'd be a good thing to make sure that you're compensating for what you're losing by [almost] totally removing complex carbohydrates from the diet. My vegitarean wife, for example, needs to ensure that she's taking a B vitamin supplement and getting protein from things like beans and broccoli, due to choosing a diet without meat. I'm lazy, so I should really take a vitamin or eat some cheerios to compensate for my atrocious diet. :) Either way, the body needs a few things to make it go, so do make sure that you're getting *all* of those things.

    28. Re:Hear Hear! by SamTheButcher · · Score: 1
      I understand your bias and concerns. Like I said, it's worked better for me than anything else in 11 years. Especially the first doc I saw who gave me sulfasalazine and said "Take this and you'll be able to eat and drink whatever you want." A year later, anemic and having no iron stores, the doc I started going to (and who I credit with saving my life, actually) said "No, you can't eat or drink whatever you want" and put me on a bland diet, which helped a bit, and started me on iron shots. He said I had so little blood in my system that if I had lost it all at once I'd likely have died from the shock. But just trickling out little by little, my body adjusted. So that began my broad distrust of MD's :) But I know that there are good ones. Like the one I'm seeing now, noted that I was a little B12 deficient, which he said is common in Crohn's & colitis patients. So he gave me a shot yesterday on my way out. The diet itself has been practiced for quite some time by Elaine's daughter, who was the original impetus for Elaine's discovery and research into it. But even Elaine says that it's not for everyone, that not everyone will improve on it. There's just too much diversity in humans for it to be a catch-all. For me, personally, it's amazing how much science has seemed to have learned about these disorders/diseases in the 11 years that I've had it. Thank goodness for the Internet, though, which helps people like myself find and research things like this.

      In some way, I feel like I'm making up for all the years I spent like you, though. :) I've eaten enough fast food & drank enough beer for a couple "normal" human beings, and I'm only 35. The nice side benefit to my diet is that my family is eating more healthy, fresh foods as well. I don't ask that they adhere to my strict diet, but since we like to eat all together, they're usually eating things that are on my diet, which I feel good about. Like, I'll make a fresh chicken & tomato sauce dish with cheese, and they'll add some pasta. Or we'll have thanksgiving dinner, but I'll make them traditional stuffing and they'll have rolls and such. I'm not an SCD nazi like you might find vegan nazis, but I do think that, bottom line, it's a much healthier way to eat. Believe me, if I hadn't seen such good results so quickly (You can read about my start on the diet here, and in subsequent journals titled "M,MH&I"), I'd probably not be on the diet. And I may not be on it for the rest of my life, or at least not as strict as now. But I've got a lot more healing to do, and a lot less bleeding to do.

      I'm particularly taking issue with the idea of removing all starchy substances from the diet. All grains, corn, and potatoes are bad?

      Think about it, though. You can't just eat grains or potatoes without doing a lot of cooking and milling and such with it. At least we don't anymore. We cook meat anymore to remove bacteria, but you can eat most vegetables and fruits raw.

      That sounds a whole lot like a gimmick and not much like real science. Pushing "more natural" foods sounds pretty gimmicky as well. Stricknine is natural. Cyanide occurs naturally. Death is natural. Simly being "natural" doesn't make something a good idea for health. :)

      I completely agree. Considering the parent (wherever that parent is) comment about HFCS, which I've seen as an ingredient in foods with "natural" on the package. Something you have to process that much is not "natural". But to your comment, nobody's really pushing strychnine or cyanide as food. :)

      Science is often a good thing. Also, the places where grains are used "in excess" are also often places where people in general lead more sedentary lives, and tend to eat more fatty foods, as well as having a bazillion other factors outside of eating bread regularly. I'm inclined to believe that eating lots of fat and sitting on a couch after a hard day at wor

    29. Re:Hear Hear! by Lesson+No.+25 · · Score: 1
      This thread (between you (SamTheButcher) and cloudmaster) has been an interesting read. Thanks to you guys for posting.

      SamTheButcher, ulcerative colitis--man, that's rough. I was in the hospital for a week nearly a year and a half ago with colitis, which fortunately turned out not to be ulcerative colitis or Crohn's disease. As best I can figure, it was due to some undercooked chicken I ate several days before my symptoms got bad enough that I went to the ER. (The doctors I asked seemed to agree that that was the most likely cause. I had undercooked chicken and hamburger in one meal. Most everyone I say that to says it must have been the chicken.)

      That experience was not fun. (Well, it was kind of nice to get some time off work, but I can think of better ways to spend it.) I'm thankful it's over, however, my once ironclad stomach has not been quite the same since. I often have mild discomfort after eating. I wonder if I might have IBS or somesuch as a result of it all.

    30. Re:Hear Hear! by cloudmaster · · Score: 1

      This is precisely why my wife jams a meat thermometer into ever piece of chicken we eat - "pre cooked" or not. With beef, you can pretty well look at it and tell if it's cooked enough or not (if it's not well done, it's not cooked. Period) - but you just can't tell by looking if chicken's done or not. I'm pretty sure I've developed IBS simply from aging, but who knows. :) Ten years ago, I could eat most anything. Now, I *do* eat most anything, but I pay for it a few hours later. I don't drink, though, so I call that *my* hangover - I just spend it sitting on the throne in the evening rather than kneeling before it the next day. ;)

    31. Re:Hear Hear! by SamTheButcher · · Score: 1
      Well, cloudmaster might scoff, but I'd suggest some probiotics, like acidophilus or some such. Couldn't hurt. :)

      Our gut flora is such a delicate beast once thrown out of whack - but much like my initial blood loss, you can dish out quite a beating for quite a while. It might change so little over time that people just attribute it to aging, but I think people discount the damage we do with our diet. My father in law informed me that type 2 (sugar-induced) diabetes was practically unheard of before 1900. What changed in 1900? That's around when highly refined white sugar was introduced.

      Anyway, I'm glad you read through. I started keeping track of my diet in my journal for me, but it's helped others as well.

  54. Nice try, but by nastro · · Score: 1

    I'm holding out for the black salt licorice flavored Cola.

    It'll be called Coke Blecch.

  55. News for Nerds. Stuff that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fills a Sunday.

  56. Should be efficient by theonetruekeebler · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Carbonation has a way of making the stomach absorb things faster. This is why champaigne gives a buzz faster than wine, and why a Coke will amp you up more rapidly than orange juice, which has about the same amount of sugar. So carbonation and high caffeination should be a winning combination, buzz-wise. You can imagine, though, how hard users will crash.

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    1. Re:Should be efficient by Yankel · · Score: 1
      You can imagine, though, how hard users will crash.

      They've logged that bug and are planning to either distribute a patch or just re-code that entire part of the drink in COCA-COLA BLAK 1.0.1.
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    2. Re:Should be efficient by damsa · · Score: 1

      Champagne also usually has a higher alchohol content than wine as well.

    3. Re:Should be efficient by Durrok · · Score: 1

      Actually your stomach does very little absorbtion, it is your small intestines that actually absorb the most thing. Carbonation causes the valve to your intestines to open up faster which means the caffeine be absorbed very quickly. Sadly enough I learned this while researching why yager bombs screw me up so much (It's actually the taurine in it but that is for another post)

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    4. Re:Should be efficient by yarbo · · Score: 1

      Coke has caffeine, orange juice (at least the stuff I get at the supermarket) doesn't.

    5. Re:Should be efficient by zenneth · · Score: 1

      You can imagine, though, how hard users will crash.

      Why? Is Microsoft getting into the cola biz?

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  57. How about... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

    ... first getting this damn Aspartam or sugar replaced by Stevia, instead of letting Monsanto bring out fake studies to stay in us and european market? (In Japan you can already buy it!)

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    1. Re:How about... by BlacKat · · Score: 1

      Sadly it seems Japan is using Aspertame now instead of Stevia as well... :(

  58. around here (California), people think that... by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 1

    But look at those bottles.

    Ingredients: sugar and/or HFCS.

    I was disappointed to see this (at my local taqueria).

    I guess there's still a chance they're using sugar, but given how much cheaper HFCS is (even without tariffs), I doubt it.

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    1. Re:around here (California), people think that... by superdude72 · · Score: 1

      I bought one at a taqueria about a week ago that just listed sugar, not corn syrup. It isn't universally the case that Mexican groceries never sell the stuff with corn syrup, though.

  59. ...hmmmmm.... by NZ4410110 · · Score: 1

    /. allowing advertising by sudo posts... priceless

  60. Coded Message Perhaps? by Nehmo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    By the foot icon, I understand the parent post to be in the "funny" category, but where's the humor? And if it isn't funny, how is the article relevant to /.? I'm working on decoding the hidden message. There must be some reason our mod's, in their wisdom, included an article about Coca-Cola mixing some coffee with Coke.

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    1. Re:Coded Message Perhaps? by tumbleweedsi · · Score: 0

      Have you never been to the /.'s much pimped sister site Think Geek? On said site you can buy all sorts of caffeine related wares because the standard geek stereotype would have us believe that us geeks are unable to get a good nights sleep because we drink lots of coffee and have all night Quake/Code sessions.

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  61. I will probably have to go to Sweden for this... by rundgren · · Score: 1

    ...because here in Norway, there's a maximum of 150mg/liter of caffeine. This would probably contain a lot more than that... Or?

  62. Fake sugar is sweeter by technoextreme · · Score: 1

    Come on anyone who is a nerd knows that fake sugar is actually 100's sweeter than anything that mother nature can put out. So much so that they actually have to cut the stuff and they are harmless. One of those weird but true facts.

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  63. Make your minds up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Rant time. Get ready to push the "flamebait" button, I don't care. I'm just an AC.

    It's always something with you guys. It's a draconianly slippery-slope covered in strawmen arguments. It's wrapped in rootkits and quantum mechanic based perpetual motion machines. Its a neural network of vaporware and uncrackable encryption. Is it global warming? Is it global cooling? Perhaps the changing magnetic fields are resuling in incredible typhoons and unstoppable avarian influenza! You've got fear. You've got uncertainty. You've got doubt. I guess you can't be blamed with all of that on your shoulders.

    You guys need to make your minds up. When a certain software giant who owns an incredible share of the market refuses to innovate, you are up in arms. When a certain music industry won't publish artists that are outside of the mainstream, you are up in arms. When a certain movie industry refuses to release anything other than a middle of the road, conservative, white cottony tshirt film, you are up in arms. You want innovation. You want the companies who have lots and lots of cash to try new things. You know they can afford to take the risk, so why don't they?

    When one of the two major softdrink producers decide to use some cash to try out new products, you guys complain. I mean, WTF mate! Do you want a stagnant market filled with boring and average items? Or do you want a market with new, sometimes risky products? You damn them if they don't take chances. You damn them if they try to change things up!

    I for one am probably not going to try this drink. Whats that? After that entire rant? The least I could do is support the very company I just got done blabbering for!

    I'm probaby not going to try this drink because it sounds nasty. Plain and simple. I, however, commend them for at least trying to do something new. FWIW, I'd rather have more choices when my money is involved, not less. Thats the beauty of being me: I like choices. If Microsoft took some risks with their software, if Sony took some risks with its distribution mechanics, or if the MPAA took some risks and published movies that aren't riding solely on a star's name in the credits, then perhaps we'd be able to see some really cool things. Or perhaps it would flop. The only truth is, we would never know unless they tried.

    Rant over. Thanks for taking the time to read this (especially if/when this gets reduced to a -1). You had to go out of your way to view posts that wern't already modded up. I salute you.

  64. Manhattan Special, anyone? by the+right+sock · · Score: 1

    The best, the original, Manhattan Special.

  65. Obligatory simpsons quote... by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    First you get the sugar, then you get the money, then you get the women...

  66. I hate Flash scroll bars by ickyellf · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Hey web designers, stop using them! Most of us have scroll wheels!

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  67. On the Bandwagon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stuff has been around for a long time. Pretty good too, especially if you particularly enjoy the two main ingredients (sugar and espresso). Guaranteed it's already at your specialty grocery store. http://www.sodapopstop.com/products/detail.cfm?lin k=82

  68. News for nerds... Duhhhh.... by technoextreme · · Score: 1
    And this is related to tech ... how?
    Remember Slashdot's slogan. News for nerds. Soda and coffe combined. The two drinks seperately are a neccesaity for nerds to survve. Combined they form the uber drink of doom that no nerd can live without.
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  69. Great by t_allardyce · · Score: 1

    Why dont they cut the marketing crap and give it to me already, I want coffee coke! give it to me NOW! damnit this is London why is France getting it first? Don't they understand how much I want coffee flavoured coke? ive been waiting years for something that gives you the buzz of a good line with the after taste of a good coffee damnit! Seriously the one new fad I actually like the sound of and they dont even want to sell it to me TAKE MY MONEY PLEASE!

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    1. Re:Great by t_allardyce · · Score: 1

      Sorry I just realised, this is just bloody coffee and coke, I can just make it myself, whats all the fuss about? - good idea tho

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  70. been there done that by wipis · · Score: 1

    As a waiter sometimes working hours that I would rather not I would get very tired so Ive experimented with coke coffee blends. Its a bit strange but I like it. Its like orange and Creme pops doesnt sound great at frist but you like it anyway. Also Ive seen stuff like this done before. There a product called manhattan soda or something like that its like carbonated coffee. Also chocolate soda and strawberry milk soda.

  71. Re:Soulless marketing... via /. by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 3, Funny

    did it while making it look like an "Accident" and didn't have to fork out for a car for taco...

    He doesn't get the car until after the dupe.

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  72. Jolt Cola - Part Two? by Selivanow · · Score: 1

    Ok, umm, deja vu? Jolt Cola ( aka. Wet Planet Beverages ) already did this.
    Too bad I can't remember what they called it, I guess I'll have to reply to
    my own post :)

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    1. Re:Jolt Cola - Part Two? by Selivanow · · Score: 1

      Ok, if I looked into it first, I would have said:

        Ok, umm, deja vu? Jolt Cola ( aka. Wet Planet Beverages ) already did this,
      they called it Jolt Espresso, and it was yummy.

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  73. Pepsi Max Cappuccino by cwis42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yesterday while shopping, I came accross a new flavor of Pepsi Max (here in France, diet Pepsi is called Pepsi Max): Cappuccino Pepsi Max.

    You can find pictures of the bottle here.

    It tastes weird, but the smell of coffee is fine. I have only drunk a couple of glasses yet, and I think I like it, but not as much as to drop my standard Pepsi Max bottle.

  74. Pepsi by ColGraff · · Score: 1

    Didn't pepsi do this about ten years ago? I'm a staunch Coke advocate, myself, but let's give credit where credit is due. :)

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    1. Re:Pepsi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it was called Pepsi Kona and was delicious! Didn't make it past the PA test market, however.

  75. Idiot moderators n/t by wass · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Redundant my ass.

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  76. bring back real "coke" in coca cola by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Favorable to popular belief, Coca-Cola did actually contain cocaine at one point which is a highly refined extract of coca leaves and was always far too expensive to use in a mass-market beverage. However, as cocaine is one of numerous alkaloids present in the coca leaf, it was nevertheless present in the drink. Today, the flavoring is still done with kola nuts and the coca leaf; however, the coca leaves used today are "spent" leaves - the leftovers of the cocaine-extraction process - however, one cannot extract cocaine out of the leaf at a molecular level; therefore, the drink still contains trace amounts of the stimulant.

  77. MOD PARENT UP !!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing in the world like Manhattan Special.
    Real brewed coffee - sugar, not evil evil high-fructose corn syrup.
    Yum - I can drink this stuff non-stop.

  78. Converting to Canadian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, that does it! Snip my dick and haul my ass to BC!

  79. Product launch mad lib by rcw-home · · Score: 4, Funny
    Step one - come up with a word for each of these things:

    • Name of your product
    • Name of the product it works with
    • Your company's name
    • Noun
    • Noun from your company's mission statement
    • Intangible noun from a magazine cover you'd see at a supermarket checkout
    • Adjective you would see on a paint can
    • Noun you would hear an audiophile use
    • Deity you don't believe in
    • Noun you would see on a box of tea
    • Past tense verb you would see on a Materials Safety Data Sheet
    • Category for your product according to your users
    • Defunct Nationality
    • Category for your product according to Marketing
    • Activity your coworkers do that annoys you
    • Three letter business acronym
    • Something your users do in the privacy of their own homes
    • Your VP's name
    • Your department's name
    • Your company name

    Step two - fill in the blanks:

    "_______ is not just a _______ extension. It is a blend of unique _______ _______ with the true essence of _______ and has a rich _______ and has a _______ _______ _______-like _______ when _______. We believe we have created a new category of _______ -- a _______ product in a _______ -- and a whole new _______ experience. This brand is ideal for any part of the _______ when people are looking for renewed energy or simply to _______", said _______, vice president, _______, _______.

    1. Re:Product launch mad lib by ClickOnThis · · Score: 2

      "Sony rootkit is not just a CD extension. It is a blend of unique Sony IP security with the true essence of cybersynergization and has a rich Bennifer and has a semi-gloss isolation Flying-Spaghetti-Monster-like freshness when substrated. We believe we have created a new category of backdoor -- a Soviet product in a litigious nightmare -- and a whole new flatulence experience. This brand is ideal for any part of the CIO when people are looking for renewed energy or simply to jerk off", said Ima Job-Hunting, vice president, Customer Compliance, Sony.

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    2. Re:Product launch mad lib by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Slashvertisments are not just a Slashdot extension. They are a blend of unique OSTG opportunities with the true essence of e-commerce and have a rich intimacy and have a matte sonorosity Ahura Mazda-like fragrance when ingested. We believe we have created a new category of leveraged revenue possibilities -- a Byzantine product in a global communications cybersphere -- and a whole new gossip experience. This brand is ideal for any part of the TPS when people are looking for renewed energy or simply to waste time", said Roland Piquepaille, vice president, Marketing, Slashdot."

  80. AIn't nothing new by Wooden+Nichols · · Score: 1

    Those in the know have been drinking coffee soda in NYC for years. Manhattan Special espresso soda has been around since 1895. Like the other item that you have to really search delis for, Cheez Waffies, it's only in a few places. But it's worth looking for. Used to be only black, but they've just come out with hazelnut, mocha, cappucino, freedom vanilla, and diet and diet decaf expresso flavors. http://www.manhattanspecial.com/products.html

  81. When.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... does it come to Canada!?!?

    I will definately be one of the first to try this stuff out in my area (small city, ~35,000 people)

    Although, Canada has a record of getting new things a year or two after USA. (eg. Cherry Coke, USA got it years before us)

    *...crosses arms and begins waiting...*

  82. Blake.... bl@k....... blech! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least its not spelled Bl@k. In that respect, thank god the dot com era is over.

    1. Re:Blake.... bl@k....... blech! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      re:"thank god the dot com era is over"

      You don't read much around here do you. Look up Web 2.0 - and then check the SJ merc news' account of the 2.05 billion the VCs dumped on new companies in the last 3 months.

      By over you must mean - Google's not worth 180 billion, not trading above 400 a share, and The SF Bay Area doesn't represent nearly 40% of all VC capital spent nationwide.

      But don't worry - reality is just where you left it. 5 years ago.

      And yes - Blake is a lame name. And notice the gridwork? Very 80s chic.

  83. Re:Different THAN? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think amphetemines in cola is the next logical step, why waste time with this shit? And bring back real sugar for it too, AND PUT IT IN FUCKING GLASS BOTTLES..

    I was one of the few who liked Christmas Pepsi, because it was ideally favored for mixing with Captain Morgan, can you say HO HO HO??

  84. It's been done by ndansmith · · Score: 1

    Stevie Ray Vaughan used to do the converse: he poured coke in his coffee every morning.

  85. You can buy it for $100 on eBay! by bort27 · · Score: 1

    ...plus $23 shipping.

    Disclaimer: No, I'm not the person selling this, and I have no idea who the person is.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item =7204345037

    bort.

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  86. Ha! by MsGeek · · Score: 1

    The Blak logo looks like the old Tab logo. Compare "a" in the Blak logo to the "a" in the Tab logo.
    http://home.epix.net/~tjwagner/tab.html

    Note that the capital "b" in Blak does not look anything like the "b" in Tab.

    My mom was addicted to Tab. When they relaunched the drink with a combination of saccharin and aspartame my mom totally disapproved of it. "You might as well be drinking Diet Coke."

    There is no accounting for taste. As for myself, I actually prefer Diet Coke with Lime. And Diet Mountain Dew, while not something I would drink all the time, is a godsend at finals time. Ultra-caffeinated. No carbs. Rock.

    Oh yeah, nothing is going to ever beat the Japanese on iced coffee beverages. UCC Coffee has ownage over anything made in the US. I'll try this but I doubt they can beat UCC.

    http://www.tcp.com/doi/doi/ufo/eva/eva-ucc1.jpg
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    1. Re:Ha! by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      It's not Blak, it's Blk (Bl&abar;k or Blāk which neither seem to come out right on preview here (Latin small letter a with macron)). At least that's how they officially spell it (Tab is actually TaB). To me that means it should be pronounced "Blake". If it were another brand, I could enjoy the liberating taste of Blk 7-UP.

      An aside, apparently the company feels Coca-Cola should not be split at the hyphen onto two lines, since they wrap it with <nobr></nobr>. Another example of our-trademarks-are-above-your-grammar-rules.

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  87. About 110 years late. by earache · · Score: 1

    http://www.manhattanspecial.com/products_pure_espr esso.html

    Since 1895 ... maybe a regional thing to NYC though.

  88. How about intra-venous? by DontCallMeIshmael · · Score: 0

    Given that it's the schedule jamming time of the year, how about intra-venous caffeine? Gotta be good for productivity, and you could hook up a pump as well. No time wasted swallowing, wouldn't matter how it tastes. Management liked the idea...

  89. Canada's Maple Coke by topgeek · · Score: 1

    Of course we can't forget Canada's delicious Maple Coke, with the thick refreshing taste of maple.

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  90. Mistake by paj1234 · · Score: 1
    According to Al and Laura Ries' "The 22 Immutable Laws of Branding" this is called a Line Extension and it is usually a mistake because it weakens the power of the original brand. They should have created a new brand, not interfered with the old one.

    A strong brand represents one thing. Ask for a Coca-Cola and you know what you're going to get. That's the power of branding. So what's this? A cold (isn't cold coffee a bit yukky?) drink that has a "coffee-like froth when poured"? If it's really a "new category of soft drink" then why on earth are they using the name of an old drink? It's confusing, it weakens the original brand and it's a bad idea.

    They might get away with it because people could ask for a "Blak" (with a funny "a"). But why are they putting in a peculiar "a"? I can't think of any American words with a weird "a". How do we pronounce it? Blik? Blaak?

    It seems to me this product will fail because of faulty marketing and it will damage the Coca-Cola Company in the long run. What a waste.

    1. Re:Mistake by belg4mit · · Score: 1

      Anything that brings Coke down a notch is a good thing in my book ;-)

      But as I've remarked elsewhere "line extensions" have been proliferating of late. Tropical Sprite Remix (Coca Cola), Holiday Spice Pepsi, Mountain Dew Midnight (PepsiCo), miscellaneous falvors of Fresca (Coca Cola)... even M&M Mars' renaming a Mars bar an Almond Snickers. I suspect their are several reasons: laziness/leveraging existing line strength (perhaps to resist the push of micro-markets?), creating corporation loyalty instead of brand loyalty. Krusty Brand potato chips anyone?

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    2. Re:Mistake by paj1234 · · Score: 1

      Yes, I have noticed that as well. Ries makes it clear they're all a bad idea. In "22 Immutable Laws", Ries singles out in particular Coors for over-extending their name (eg: Coors Mountain Spring Water, not too many beer drinkers wanted to replace their beer with water) and reserves the most scathing criticism for the Coca-Cola Company:

      "No company that understands consumers would bring out a product called New Coke. How can there be a new and presumably better Coke? What could possibly be wrong with the Real Thing?"

  91. Starbucks Had A Prototype in 1995 or so... by chevyorange · · Score: 1

    I worked for the Starbucks Coffee Company (not in R&D) and I recall a nasty drink they had in testing that was carbonated coffee. It was revolting - maybe Coke will make it happen. I wish I could recall the name they had for it.

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  92. Re:Should be efficient - More Products Soon by mrbriguy · · Score: 1

    Other carbonated drinks with big boosts are coming onto the market as well. Mountain Dews MDX is one of the first "energy-sodas," (it certainly has a friendly taste than Red Bull, with about the same kick) and more energy sodas are on the way. Beverage companies are trying to further expand their presence in the incredibly fast growing energy drink market by creating this new niche - but analysts are up in the air on how successful they will be riding the line between energy drink and regular sodas. Coke is actually planning to introduce a slew of new products, including a Von Dutch energy soda (after the arguably "popular" fashion brand) which will be produced in conjunction with Rockstar and distributed through Coca-Cola. For all of you Tab lovers, you can expect a "Tab Energy" (also made by Coke) coming soon to a grocery store near you - a diet energy soda in a pink can targeted towards young women. But the real question isn't "will any of these products be successful," it's, "is this article really news for nerds?"

  93. The new Coke I would pay money for by Bill+Hayden · · Score: 1

    I don't drink Coke or any other soft drinks because of all the corn syrup in it. I think a Coke with actual, real, honest-to-God, sugar in it would sell like crazy. Supposedly, Coke bottlers in other (i.e. non-US) countries actually do make such a product. I've even heard that there is a kosher Coke sold at Jewish holiday time that has real sugar, but I've not seen it in Florida where I live.

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  94. Suga! by tnk1 · · Score: 1

    Now that's what I call blaksploitation!

  95. Yeah, nothing new by ShimmyShimmy · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Pepsi Kona was the original idea for this. It was text marketed. The stuff tasted like absolute crap (right up there with Crystal Clear Pepsi). I liked the idea of coffee flavored cola, but I didn't know anyone that could actually drink the stuff. Let's hope Coke does a better job.

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    1. Re:Yeah, nothing new by Lectrik · · Score: 1
      The stuff tasted like absolute crap (right up there with Crystal Clear Pepsi).

      But I liked Crystal Pepsi. Then again, I realy loathe the taste of regular Pepsi.
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    2. Re:Yeah, nothing new by cloudmaster · · Score: 1

      Did they taste different? I don't recall there being a significant difference - though I'm a Coke fan and never really drank regular Pepsi. The Clear Pepsi was perpetually on sale, so I did drink it fairly often, though. :)

  96. Above link is SATIRE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    How did this get insightful? Another link from the same site: "BUSH WILL NOMINATE JUDGE WAPNER TO SUPREME COURT"

    1. Re:Above link is SATIRE by Shawn+is+an+Asshole · · Score: 4, Interesting
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    2. Re:Above link is SATIRE by Aadomm · · Score: 1

      Wow, I have a new addition to my list of favourite websites for a few days.

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  97. Been around for years by rockwood · · Score: 1

    For atleast 20 years this type of beverage has been around. When I was in my late teens I dated a spanish girl who's family first introduced me to "malta" (sp) a Goya Product. It's found in the international section of the grocery store. It's coffee flavored soda - carbonated coffee flavor beverage. This is nothign new. Personally I think it horrible - though I don't not care for coffee all that much either. To each their own. I'm sure that it will take off with a mianstream company such as Coke marketing it - seems as though they are attempting to compete with things like RedBull, Nitro2Go and others.

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  98. BibiCaffe by starling · · Score: 1

    This stuff's been around since 1941: http://www.bibicaffe.com/

    Very tasty and a nice caffeine hit too.

  99. Espresso ristretto by arthas · · Score: 1

    Why not just drink real coffee? I mean something like ristretto. Yum yum.

  100. Dental plaque? by merikari · · Score: 1

    Might as well call it Cola Plaque if it has sugar.

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    1. Re:Dental plaque? by mark_lybarger · · Score: 1

      kinda a minor point, but coke contains no sugar afair. it's 100% pure corn syrup these days. getting the fine sugar in soda these days is unheard of.

  101. Calpis!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In norwegian "Calpis" sounds more like cold-piss than anything else - I'd like to see them market that!

  102. Support OpenCola by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a firm support supporter of oper source. I only drink OpenCola and Vores Øl

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCola
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vores_%C3%98l

  103. Pop + Tea by Pesh+Hawksfire · · Score: 1

    Partly, I just want to see the Pop VS. Soda VS. Soft Drink etc. fight, but also I wanted to chime in that there's already a soda that uses green tea: Cricket Cola. They, apparently, are hiding on the intarweb and don't believe in having a company web page, so I turn you here.

  104. Pronunciation by apoplectic · · Score: 1

    Yeah, yeah...I know that we're supposed to pronouce this "Black"...but doesn't the line over the "a" in "Blak" make you think "Blake"?

  105. Re:Should be efficient - More Products Soon by theonetruekeebler · · Score: 1

    If it involves caffeine, then yes. No single chemical has had more impact on software development than caffeine.

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  106. Re:Ooooh Aaah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mods once again prove they have no sense of humor, and don't understand allegorical references and how they apply to threads.

    That movie is hilarious, and the post is spot on. All Soda's used to taste way better when they used real sugar (i.e. Dr. Pepper). The original poster was commenting on that fact, and the reply was funny and the hidden meaning from the reference (assuming you are not so dim as to have missed the reference) is that the reason they don't use sugar anymore, is because they are more in to profit than the passion of making good tasting drinks.

    Lighten up, and study literature some--you might learn to appreciate things like this more.

  107. Manhattan Special by CableModemSniper · · Score: 1

    I'd rather have a nice Manhattan Special

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  108. hot coffee mod? by cliffy2000 · · Score: 1

    might one say that coca-cola is using a hot coffee mod? don't tell jack thompson...

  109. Zero... by dep01 · · Score: 1

    When will the madness end? Though, I have to say, Coca-Cola ZERO is actually not bad tasting at all. It's the best out of all of the zero/low calorie soda choices out there as far as flavor goes, IMO. And, did you know, Pepsi ONE has almost twice the caffeine as a normal Pepsi? Normal pepsi = 34ML per can whereas Pepsi ONE has about 55.

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  110. Or Melbourne, Australia! by spoco2 · · Score: 1

    Come down here too! We have more cafes per head of population than anywhere on earth! (I think... I heard it somewhere anyway and now can't find anything to back that up!)... in any case we have a lot of choices for coffee, of every variety... and let me tell you, after working in the States for a while, I appreciate good coffee even more... man, the majority of coffee in America is truly disgusting... when Starbucks starts tasting good, you know you've got a problem! :P

    1. Re:Or Melbourne, Australia! by Belseth · · Score: 1
      Haven't swam that far yet but I did spend a fair amount of time in New Zealand and they have decent coffee as well. American coffee is like american beer, watered down swill. In France they actually water down french coffee and call it american coffee. Pretty funny and I think it's meant to be insulting. I even had some russian coffee that was better than american and it had an edge like battery acid.

      Definately plan to spend some time in Australia. I just want to be able to hang out for a few months and it's hard to find the time.

      Sad to see Starbucks spreading to lands with decent coffee. Oddly enough France has kind of tolerated MacDonalds but they are highly offended by Starbucks. They're pretty fussy about bread, wine and coffee.

    2. Re:Or Melbourne, Australia! by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      In France they actually water down french coffee and call it american coffee. Pretty funny and I think it's meant to be insulting.

      I think it's after watching a number of tourists trying to drink real coffee and quickly ordering water.
      This might be from some years ago, prior to the general public in the US being exposed to proper coffee.

      However I have to admit that most of the places I've been to in the US that served "coffee" did indeed serve watered down coffee (I took to bringing some feeze dried coffee with me after a while). So I don't really see anything wrong with the denomination.

      And regarding Starbucks, a few have opened in Paris. So I finally went to check on one. And after much pondering at the display above the counter looking for some kind of coffee based drink I could recognise (machiatto ? latte ? mocha ? what ? no coffee ??), I finally asked for a double expresso (unlisted, how much ?, urk, star$ indeed) and settled to drink that.

      Then I remembered that they were supposed to offer WiFi in a number of locations so I put my newspaper away and pulled my laptop out. There was a hotspot all right. And for a mere 10 € I could access the whole world. For a whole day. Hey, it's just 1/3rd of what I pay at home for a full month and 15Mbps. Great deal. Luckily I found another hotspot from a nearby restaurant or bar that allowed 1/2hour access free of charge.

      I think I'll stick to normal cafés from now on...

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    3. Re:Or Melbourne, Australia! by Narcissus · · Score: 1

      I've heard the same sorts of statistics.

      In fact, I did hear that per capita, we were one of the highest coffee drinking countries in the world and that was why McDonalds started opening McCafes in Australia before they opened anywhere else.

      Well, that's what I heard, anyway...

  111. Kona coffee by jrwillis · · Score: 1

    Yeah Trudy's here in Austin serves up Kona coffee. Good stuff. Mmmm... Migas.....

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  112. BlÄk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BlÄk to the sea! BlÄk to the sky! BLÄK!!!
    Where are we going to sleep tonight mother? In our father's grave?

  113. word by breadcat · · Score: 1

    That sounds like a tasty idea. Regular coke sucks, but cherry and vanilla coke ruled. I'm sure coffee coke will do fine (unless it's gross as shit).

  114. Where is it? by ylikone · · Score: 1

    I live in Ontario and I've NEVER heard of maple coke before! Where can I get some?!

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  115. coffee+cola by apocalysque · · Score: 0

    at one time, i inadvertantly filled a cup that i was using for coffee with iced soda, and the taste was suprisingly good. there was just enough coffee left in the cup to give it a really good flavor. i suggest at least giving this beverage a try if you ever get the chance.

    1. Re:coffee+cola by HikingStick · · Score: 1

      I'm really looking forward to this product (hopefully in a diet version). I often fill my morning coffee mug with cold cola, and I love the combined taste. I think they'll have a winner here!

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  116. Jolt was been there done that.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jolt already did this it was a green can the size of a RedBull and it was called Jolt Expresso, and it was coffee (or perhaps expresso) mixed with cola, one hell of a buzz, but it tasted like crap.

  117. /. grammar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I imagine this will be quite different than the cans of hot coffee

    Different than?!

    No, really, where'd you go to school?

  118. The way the BLAK is shown... by evilninjax · · Score: 1
    with the BAR over the A, isn't it pronoucned "BLake" ?!

    -goro-

  119. Not Blak by rockwood · · Score: 1

    Their website press release states it is called ZU, not Blak Press Relase HERE

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  120. I've tried it, it's good! by spikesahead · · Score: 1

    I've actually TRIED Coke mixed with Coffee before, and I have to say it's actually pretty good! There was only a half a cup of coffee left in the pot at work and plenty of coke lying around, so I filled up the rest of my coffee cup with coke fully expecting it to taste like four kinds of ass. To my surprise it was actually quite tasty, the coke balanced out the bitter coffee in a very interesting way! I think I'll do it again tonight!

  121. As a european I am boggled by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1
    At first I though this while HFCS stuff was just americans using weird words again in their determination to screw the english language but no. What after all is the problem with just using sugar from sugarbeets? The stuff is hardly expensive. In fact if what is being said here is true it forms the same role in europe as it corn does in the US. A hugely subsidised product that companies like coca cola can have virtually for free. EU sugar is even being dumped to 3rd world countries, ruining their local economy, just to get rid of the surplus.

    Guess we at least lucked out in the taste department. Also shows that farmers should all be rounded up and shot. EU, US and Japan, farmers are a tiny minority yet seem to control national politics. Weird.

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    1. Re:As a european I am boggled by wass · · Score: 1
      What after all is the problem with just using sugar from sugarbeets?

      As noted elsewhere, including your post, the subsidies and political power the corn farmers have.

      Also shows that farmers should all be rounded up and shot.

      No, they just cannot grow fat on government subsidies, and expect to keep producing a product because it's the status quo. I think we've tried the HFCS thing, it's failing, stop the subsidy of HFCS.

      Additionally, corn might be a good candidate for biofuel, so if the farmers are absolutely dependent on their subsidies, switch over to corn-based fuels. That way the farmers still get their money, but feel better about contributing to a more worthwhile cause than the obesity of USA. Of course now the oil companies will have something to say about this switch.

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    2. Re:As a european I am boggled by metaclous · · Score: 0

      It's not the corn farmers. The farmers are losing money year over year. Most of them are now over 60. It's the huge agribusiness corporations like Archers Daniel Midland that are to blame.

    3. Re:As a european I am boggled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Also shows that farmers should all be rounded up and shot.
      The Bolsheviks tried that in Russia. Bad idea.
    4. Re:As a european I am boggled by cloudmaster · · Score: 1

      Corn farmers aren't getting rich, or even close to it. The price for a bushel of corn is about the same as it was in the 60's (though yields are a little improved, and technologies are generally better). The people getting rich are the corn *processors* - groups like ADM, etc. So, as is typically the case, the corporations get to make the laws and the profits, and the people get crapped on.

      BTW, I think that the presence of HFCS in almost everything would indicate that it's not really failing. It's evil, but not failing. :)

  122. Well as somebody who tries anything once by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1
    I can tell you that some of the stuff they drink in japan is just vile. Not ordinary vile, I mean making people throw vile. I got no taste buds and can stomache just about anything but other people sometimes make the mistake of wanting a taste if I drink some weird can I found in the local tiny china town (more street corner but lets not get technical).

    Especially if the drink contains milk it can severely upset dutch stomachs as it is extremely long lasting milk you get in cheap containers that most people just can't drink. "Fresh" milk vs the kind that you can keep outside the fridge for months (mostly because no bugger will drink it).

    Of course I can't read the japanese or chinese ingredients so it is always a discovery. As for coffee in a can. Well it just confirms that japanese are weird.

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    1. Re:Well as somebody who tries anything once by macshit · · Score: 1

      As for coffee in a can. Well it just confirms that japanese are weird.

      My GF is Korean, and when I first met her, she had no concept of coffee as anything other than a sweet milky canned drink you got from a vending machine to warm up in winter. She was completely disgusted by the (real) coffee I drank.

      Of course now she has to drink two pots, black, and smoke a cigar, before she can properly start her day... [Ok, kidding about the cigar]

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  123. Well can you explain how they heat the cans? by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

    I "heat" them by putting them in boiling water for a time but that is just at home. How the hell do you heat a can in a vending machine? For obvious reasons you can't microwave it and getting it warm by induction takes a long time wich would mean the cans are constantly hot wich doesn't sound like it does much for the taste. Ever tried coffee that has been in a hot pot over the weekend? It will wake you up.

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    1. Re:Well can you explain how they heat the cans? by kklein · · Score: 1

      They heat by induction. The cans are sealed and probably treated with god-knows-what so it doesn't get that nasty burnt coffee taste. It also doesn't get that "Mmm! I'm drinkin' coffee!" taste either, but it does in a pinch! It's better than what you get out of one of those nasty instant coffee machines that puts the "coffee" into little cups that have some kind of card-based game on the bottom that distract you while you're looking at them and then a mercury robot from the future pokes you in the head with his mercury daggar-finger and you kinda twitch with your eyes rolled back into your head until he pulls it out and steals your identity. You know the machines I'm talking about.

  124. Canned Coffee? by elynnia · · Score: 1

    Hiya,
    Slightly offtopic, but - why is it that in 'Western' countries, coffee-in-a-can is virtually nonexistant? I'm a great fan of that - and the Hot & Cold vending machines they had in Japan - and don't see why it wouldn't be popular in Australia/UK/USA etc.
    elynnia

  125. Real Dr Pepper in Dublin, TX by Urusai · · Score: 1

    If you're in Dublin, TX, they make Dr Pepper with sugar there. I can't believe people can drink those corn syrup drinks, they are nasty. So nasty, that I drink diet, or just add sugar to my tea (being in the South and all, iced tea is de rigeur).

    I consider the great high fructose corn syrup debacle proof that capitalism is broken--or maybe just that American consumers are merely a bunch of indiscriminate yahoos. The latter argument is too easily proven (NASCAR and American "pilsner" beers, case closed).

    1. Re:Real Dr Pepper in Dublin, TX by NMerriam · · Score: 1

      I actually just found out about the Dublin Dr Pepper from this thread, and I'm ecstatic. i recently moved back to Texas, so I'm already planning a road trip up there to pick up a few cases. Dr Pepper beats Coke any day of the week, I don't know how they kept this secret from me for so long!

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    2. Re:Real Dr Pepper in Dublin, TX by HoboMaster · · Score: 1

      It's sold in Dallas too, at a couple of places. I think all Central Markets in Dallas sell it, as well as the occasional Tom Thumb.

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    3. Re:Real Dr Pepper in Dublin, TX by RevAaron · · Score: 1

      I don't know. I don't think I could ever live in Texas. But that Dr Pepper plant is a gift from whatever god(s) may or may not exist, and frankly, is reason enough for Texas to exist. I had a friend who lived down there and on a couple of occasions as a thanks for something sent up a box with 6 bottles- glass bottles- of the real-sugar'd pop from Texas. The Orange Crush is to die for and the Dr Pepper is great too.

      Alas!

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    4. Re:Real Dr Pepper in Dublin, TX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can also buy it from Pop the Soda Shop. Just search for Dublin Dr. Pepper.

    5. Re:Real Dr Pepper in Dublin, TX by disappear · · Score: 1

      Well, remember that corn syrup is cheaper than sugar only because of subsidies to corn growers, and because of tariffs on imported cane sugar, to protect the local sugar industry. Without those barriers, we'd likely have real sugar in our sodas.

      (That said, if Americans gave a damn about how their sugar-water tasted, the soda companies would pony up the couple of extra cents to give us real sugar... but obviously it doesn't give them any sort of competitive advantage to do so.)

  126. Old news.... by evilneko · · Score: 1

    I saw Coca-Cola Blech on MSNBC like a week ago. Guess /. isn't too quick on the uptake with meatspace things that don't involve any cyberspace issues at all.

    btw, Countdown with Keith Olberman is the best news show, period.

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  127. If you want a cold coffee... by chemindefer · · Score: 1

    ...try a Manhattan Special, if they still make it. Good stuff!

  128. Since neither clucose or frocose exist, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think think you mean glucose/fructose.

  129. Very Ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The ironic thing about this is, is that Coca-Cola was originally marketed to convert people with coffee addiction.

  130. What the crap! by Inoshiro · · Score: 1

    A White Russian with cola?

    Oh, you mean a Vodka paralyzer?

    It's not like this was a new drink invented yesterday!

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  131. Code Blue!! by nullhero · · Score: 1

    Reminds me of a Coffee Drink I used to get in Pacific Breach, CA. It was a coffee shop (I think it's still there) they used to have. Take a 16 oz. glass put in two shots of espresso, ice, and the rest Coke/Pepsi. It was called a Cold Blue. It would definitely wake you up and keep you up. Only 1 drink was enough. I had had two at least once and lets say I had a horrible case of the shakes!!

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  132. Been here, done that by chrysrobyn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In college, I ended up doing a little drink mixing (non-alcoholic drinks only to my current chagrin). Let me save you some trouble.

    Coffee + soda (Coke or Mountain Dew). Terrible idea. Kill it now.

    Juice + soda (Coke or Mountain Dew). With small amounts of juice, can be very good. I actually repeated grape Kool-Aid + Mountain Dew several times (different from Pitch Black, but that gets you started). Stay away from limes and lemons. Maraschino cherry juice in Mountain Dew predicted Code Red accurately.

    Chocolate syrup + black coffee. There's a reason they usually put loads of cream in coffe when adding chocolate.

    Chocolate syrup + soda. Terrible idea. The syrup doesn't mix well, and when it does, the flavors in your mouth are horrid.

    In short, there's a reason sodas have been made with fruit juices (imitation and real) for 100 years, and not coffee or other substances.

    Also, Oreos (at least the generic equivalent where you get 4x the cookies for half the price) go very well with Mountain Dew, possibly better than the historical milk.

  133. and aussie renta poms pay themselves out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i've heard poms come over to australia and call hot water with a little milk and sugar (no tea) ... wait for it.. english tea.. harharhar

  134. Re:Soulless marketing... via /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i'll bet the marketing mavens at CocaCola are thrilled right now...

    as well as some folks at an ad agency in Miami who (to their credit) seemingly can do anything.

    soulless or otherwise, you would be amazed.

  135. Coca-Cola kills its workers by br00tus · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Coca-Cola has been killing its workers in Colombia. They even had one killed right inside the plant while he was working. Apparently they don't like that the workers are trying to organize a union. There is a global boycott of Coca-Cola products going on right now, which I participate in, I haven't had any Coca-Cola products for several years. The web site for the boycot is Killer Coke.

    I doubt that most of the white, western professionals who read Slashdot will care much about this, some probably will like Coke more than ever considering the kind of talk so many listen to on talk radio and Fox News, but a few will, and I am posting this to inform those few. Working class people tend to be more sympathetic to these things.

    1. Re:Coca-Cola kills its workers by mnmn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So why should I ban the products those poor workers depend on for a living?

      Thats like the ban on products of child labour. LET THEM BE PROSTITUTES INSTEAD!

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    2. Re:Coca-Cola kills its workers by narcc · · Score: 1

      [All jokes about Coke and Columbia aside] This is just the kind of thing that happens when companies outsource good American (e.g. U.S.) jobs. Demand that your next bottle of pop (soda, whatever) is bottled in the Good Ol' U.S. of A. by a red-blooded American.

      Buying American products means good jobs for the folks here at home. Don't support Communism with your made in China Wal-Mart products. The reds are out to get us through retail outlets! Buy American! Support Freedom!

    3. Re:Coca-Cola kills its workers by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ha funny. a "Coke" plant in Columbia. Maybe someone got confused and started killing people at the wrong kind of "coke plant."

      Maybe "working class" people are more sympathetic because they are more ignorant and willing to believe this B.S. without any proof? Working class people also go to church more than white collar folks. Also an area where proof is not needed.

      Please, show me some documented PROOF of these events happening, that they were carried out by Coca-Cola employees for company reasons, etc. Anything. I read through the website you listed and saw nothing but propaganda.

      Your cause will usually be greeted more receptively if it isn't promoted singularly by anti-capitalist, left-wing whackos.

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    4. Re:Coca-Cola kills its workers by NCraig · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nice headline. You do know that Colombia's government is virulently anti-union?

      It seems rather insipid to single out Coca-Cola based on its brand recognition. The mining and textile industries have also had workers die at the hands of paramilitary groups. This should come as no surprise: Colombia is one of the most violent countries in the world. You may legitimately argue that American companies should not operate there due to the insidious "official" government and the activities of rebel organizations like FARC and ELN. However, if American companies pull out of Colombia, a lot of money goes with them. Poverty has a way of exacerbating violence.

      Perhaps your "movement" will be taken seriously when it ceases resorting to hyperbole. The sad thing is that the real problem of uncontrollable violence in Colombia is being reduced to a crime perpetrated by a beverage company.

      But here's hoping not drinking Coca-Cola makes you feel superior to those dastardly talk radio folks!

    5. Re:Coca-Cola kills its workers by TheCrayfish · · Score: 2, Informative

      In the interest of balanced reporting... if you're going to read the opinions of the "Killer Coke" people, you should, in fairness, read the other side of the story before you form any opinions of your own.

      See: www.cokefacts.org and, in particular, this page about Coke in Colombia.

    6. Re:Coca-Cola kills its workers by Quila · · Score: 1

      This is just the kind of thing that happens when companies outsource good American (e.g. U.S.) jobs.

      Usually in cases like this, what's produced is for local or regional consumption. Exporting very heavy Coke would probably make it too expensive. Odds are they probably already export the syrup from here, and just have a bottling plant there.

  136. buy imported Coke here by philbert2.71828 · · Score: 1

    Maybe you're talking about Coke from Holland available at this store in Scottsdale, AZ?

  137. Believe it or not, not that much caffeine in Coke. by DroopyStonx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    People are commenting about "ungodly amounts of caffeine," but believe it or not, Coke doesn't contain all that much: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/caffeine/caffeine_ info1.shtml

    In terms of caffeine content, a cup of coffee is equivalent to 3 or 4 cokes.

    Two cups of coffee really isn't all that much, so... this drink should be just fine in the caffeine department.

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  138. screw the sugar by mapmaker · · Score: 1

    I want them to put the coca back!

  139. Japanese canned coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    >I imagine this will be quite different than the cans of hot coffee that makes walking around in Tokyo so delicious. But hey, cans of coffee! I'm in for one at least.
    You've got to be kidding... The canned coffee sold in vending machines in Japan is the worst of the worst. The sugared stuff is basically diabetes in a can, and the black stuff tastes like battery acid.

    1. Re:Japanese canned coffee by gujo-odori · · Score: 2, Informative

      OK, most of it taste rather nasty hot (especially UCC), but some are good cold, with Gergia being better than msot and Georgia's Mountain Blend being actually quite tasty. Years ago at a coffee machine in the countryside of Kagoshima-Ken, near a bridge where I was fishing, I had a Dydo flavor called Almond Cappucino (IIRC; was definitely almond something, but this a long time ago); thereafter, I checked every Dydo machine I encountered all over the country, but never again saw it anywhere. That was also my last time in Kagoshima, so perhaps it's a local flavor. If so, it must be very local, because I never saw it in Fukuoka(-shi), which I later traveled to several times.

      OK, so this must be at least borderline OT, but I hope someone will at least find it interesting. Too bad there's not a +1 Natsukashii mod :)

  140. Coffee People - Portland - the Good old days by joe_n_bloe · · Score: 1

    Coffee People used to sell this lightly carbonated coffee soda. This was back a number of years ago before the Gloria Jean's / Coffee Plantation / whatever thing. It was pretty sweet and pretty strong, and GOOD. It had a head like a dark porter. It was based on their high-caffeine coffee blend.

    I'm sure someone here will remember it and fill in the details. I used to bring a six back from Hillsborough whenever I visited Randal.

  141. Sound like a good idea but.. by mebob · · Score: 1

    I it's not new and I doubt it will taste better than this stuff from these guys. http://www.manhattanspecial.com/products_pure_espr esso.html

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  142. Cocaccino? by Velocir · · Score: 1, Interesting

    How many of you have ever tried Cocaccinos? As far as I know, one of my older brothers came up with it independently, but there must be others out there. You mix about half a glass of coke with a small amount (half a teaspoon or less) of instant coffee. It froths up like hell, and then tastes like coffee - mixed with coke! Or vice versa, depending on how much coffee you put in. First-time makers tend to put in too much coffee.

  143. already been done (not the pepsi version) by hohokus · · Score: 2, Informative

    in new york (or brooklyn in particular) we have "manhattan special"; the label calls it "espresso coffee soda". it's actually pretty good.

    http://www.manhattanspecial.com/products_pure_espr esso.html

  144. More shelf space in every market! by aquarian · · Score: 1

    That's what it's all about. Brilliant!

  145. Had it in a test market by geoffrobinson · · Score: 1

    Not very good. My roommate thought it deserved a danger post-it note.

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  146. Sounds like BibiCaffe wannabe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I saw this press release and it sure sounds like Coca-Cola is trying to one-up a favorite of mine, BibiCaffe (http://bibicaffe.com/). I'll certainly try it once it's available. Bibi is a bit sweet for regular consumption, but it sure hits the spot and combines well with milk or alchohol... =)

  147. Walking and drinking in Japan by tm1rules · · Score: 3, Informative
    ...quite different than the cans of hot coffee that makes walking around in Tokyo so delicious.

    When did you go to Tokyo?

    "It used to be that you wouldn't dream of drinking while walking down the street [in Japan]. " - http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5 ?fl20040320cz.htm

    "Walking and eating [in Japan] is taboo, though you will see local people doing it from time to time, especially in tourist destinations. Still, expect to be glared at or clucked at if you eat (or drink) while perambulating. Ice cream might be an exception, but everything else, including canned drinks should be consumed while standing next to the place where you bought them or sitting on a nearby park bench." - http://www.mediatinker.com/hellotokyo/survival.htm l

  148. News from my doctor by Venim · · Score: 0

    I'll be having kidney failure earlier than expected...

  149. Real coffee by VincenzoRomano · · Score: 1

    I bet that in the near future (it really depends on how strong the CocaCola Company is) someone will find out that mixing coffee with, say, carbon bioxide would lead to some mistyerious and tragic disease, just like decaffeinated coffee.
    What about a cup of the plain old coffee, made with real coffee powder and boiling water?
    What about the plain old stuff in reasonable amounts?

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  150. déjà vu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone remember Coke Clear? Flop?

  151. Syrup by ganley · · Score: 1

    Anyone else reminded of Maxx Barry's novel _Syrup_? (Recommended.)

  152. Publicity by MiliusXP · · Score: 1

    Nice publicity,
    I hope Coca-Cola will give back some money for this publicity

  153. wha... by solomonrex · · Score: 1

    How are all these topics not 'OFF-TOPIC'? Just because they're slashdot liberals?

    1. Re:wha... by cloudmaster · · Score: 1

      Yes. It's the liberals ruining both the country and Slashdot. Or conservatives. Or some other political group that's your favorite political group's arch enemy (fuckin' libertarians letting off-topic posts into Slashdot!). It couldn't be that people just don't give a damn about Coke and coffee, and feel that the space is better used to discuss anything and everything else with even the most tenuous relationship to the original topic.

  154. This is not an orignal idea by TheMadcapZ · · Score: 1

    I liked it when it was called Pepsi Kona. It was out in test markets like Philadelphia back in 1996-1997. They felt there was no market for it even though many people I knew enjoyed it. Maybe Coke's product will be just as good, I would drink it again.

  155. Hopefully More Coffee Than Coke by AggressiveOptimist · · Score: 1

    I remember a few years ago that there was a coffee soda on the supermarket shelves which got the taste factor right but maybe needed help in the marketing department.

    It wasn't a cola blend at all but literally a coffee soda. And the part that nobody believes when I mention this is the branding: Ernest Borgnine coffee sode! It had a picture of Ernest Borgnine and a retro-style label.

    Also reminds me of the Carlsberg beer cola that was served canned in Europe.

  156. Budwine! by buckthorn · · Score: 1
    All I know is that I miss Budwine.

    "Budwine! Makes you glad you're thirsty." Or as a friend of mine put it, "One is pleased to thirst in its presence."

    One of my favorite college memories was driving from Athens, GA to Augusta, GA to buy cases (and cases) of Budwine directly from Southern Beverage Packers.

    Anyway. the whole purpose of this particular post is to miss Budwine. Again.

  157. Dublin Dr. Pepper by Banishedwun · · Score: 1

    In Texas, anyway, there is still one Dr. Pepper bottling plant that uses real sugar, the plant in Dublin. You can get it here in Austin at any of the Rudy's BBQ restaurants and select other locations. Check the bottle (Dublin still uses glass as well). It'll have the bottled in Dublin, Tx and "pure cane sugar" in the ingredients. They also have one of the largest glass recycling systems, buying back their own bottles and washing through a thorough sterilization process before re-bottling. That bottle you're drinking out of has served possibly hundreds of other sugar-cane soda lovers.

  158. Gross by derikamfolks · · Score: 1

    How would a carbonated coffee taste? Like a soda your auntie put here cigerette in, thats how. Gross! Derika Folks doritodorito@yahoo.com http://www.1stcomputerstop.com/ Best prices for desktop computer,notebook computer, computer networking,and more!