I think you are forgetting that Microsoft didn't have any GUI under development when Apple gave them Mac developer kits for them to write Office for the Mac.
So what? Do you really believe that Apple had the right to "copyright" items like overlapping windows?
Microsoft (filth tho they are) were IMO able to reimplement Apples GUI if they so chose.
Or do you believe that Apple should not be able to use items like tabbed dialogue boxes? (they appeared in windows first)
Apple had given Xerox shares in exchange for just a demo of what they had achieved at PARC.
Reference please. I see many Apple shills pulling this out, but it seems to be contradicted by Xerox sueing Apple.
Choice quote from the article:
Xerox contends that such software should be licensed widely to encourage a single industry standard. But Apple has tried to prevent other companies from imitating its software, in an attempt to differentiate its products from those of competitors.
Microsoft did not give Apple or Xerox anything.
so what? I don't believe they should have - they didn't steal Apple's copyrighted code did they?
Apple are a great company - they make nice hardware, a reasonable Unix like system to run on it and are innovative in many ways.
But it doesn't mean we have to defend them when they're clearly wrong.
Articles from the register and many others make it sound more like EFF had court documents unsealed that show Apple's lack of dilligence.
From the reg article:
Apple's legal eagles failed to take depositions or subpoena its own employees, and didn't examine telephone records or individuals' computers. It made only a cursory examination of a single email server. The testimony was provided by Robin Zonic and Al Ortiz, senior manager of investigations, and senior investigator in the corporate security department at Apple....
Seriously - I really don't understand why the Apple Fans are defending Apple on this one. Apple crossed the line of reasonableness here, defending them means you've crossed the line from fan to shill.
Tasmania is looked upon as geographically small by the rest of Australia - Australia is roughly the same size as the US (without Alaska) - but only divided into seven states (or territories).
Tasmania is by far the smallest state - it is four times smaller then the second smallest state (Victoria) and forty times smaller then the largest (Western Australia)
1) Spiders, snakes are rare in Tasmania. 2) In Tas, the water is to cold to swim in (hence sharks are no problem) 3) Maoris are only deadly if you don't know they're from New Zealand, not Australia.
3) More communication options are better then less.
*shrug* I hardly ever use ebay, but I use skype all the time. I see skype as being more useful - and I certainly see the use in being able to talk to someone I am buying from.
why would EBay want to buy a peanut butter manufacturer? And if they did want to, I would think Jif would be a more appropriate takeover target.
Market analysts say (and market analysts are never wrong) that skype "could help eBay quickly improve customer service"
Anyone who's used Paypal know how important "customer service" is to ebay:-)
In all seriousness - as WSJ intimates, automated buyer to seller / buyer to previous buyer / etc VOIP calls, could improve ebay's model of doing business.
I agree that the license change will be good for Sun. Workplace using OO derived code without the improvements going back to Sun was wrong, but SISSL did allow that.
As for dual licensing being a messy, confusing business; I'm not so sure. MySQL, Trolltech (the makers of QT) Mozilla all use dual licenses.
Trolltech puts it best:
This is how it works: In return for the advantages you realize from using a Trolltech product to create your application, we require that you do one of the following:
Either: Contribute to the continued development of the product by purchasing commercial licenses from Trolltech. This option secures you the right to distribute your application under the license terms of your choice.
Or: Contribute to the Open Source community by placing your application under an Open Source license (e.g. the GPL). This option secures all users the rights to obtain the application's full source code, modify it, and redistribute it.
OpenOffice.org is not "going" LGPL - it was already LGPL and SISSL.
It is now just LGPL. I don't see how this is "good news" for OO at all - maybe good news for OSI or others who would like to see less of a proliferation of Open Source licences.
I guess I could've coral cached the links - but screw it - they're commercial artists distributing promotional songs - I assumed they'd have the neccessary bandwidth.
This reminds me of the amusing, although almost certainly apocryphal, story of the corporation who attempted to gain all intellectual property rights over the desktop metaphor for computer interfaces using copyright.
Whilst I don't think software patents are a good idea generally and this particular patent is insane, I feel a certain....lack of sympathy toward apple for opening this entire can of worms in the first place.
windows 98 *snip* had a built in feature to place calls through your modem line, *snip* to be able to make long distance calls.....this was rectified in the second edition of windows 98.... *snip* call my friends in new york from canada for free
Windows 98 did not contain some magic software to allow you to call your friends for free.
I'm not sure what you're describing - but I suspect you dialed New York at standard intl rates & the company you worked for footed the bill.
Exposed to cosmic radiation during a space mission, austronauts are torn apart and reformed atom-by-atom. Soon after they return to Earth, they each manifest fantastic superpowers. Some can stretch their bodies to inhuman lengths; Others can become invisible and create force fields; still others can ignite their bodies into living flame and soar through the air; and an unlucky few's human features are erased - now with the rocky form of a super-strong, invulnerable 'thing'.
Hope they never make a movie about it - it would be terrible.
Computers with physical access are susceptible to "unintended root-level access".
Yep. Got boot? You've got root.
That said however, the Operating System should at least try to protect sensitive data - make it so the attacker is going to have to pull that hard drive out of the box & mount it from another machine to try & brute-force the password file (or whatever)
There is no need to make it as easy as plugging in a USB device....
1) You say "All projects will be licensed under OSI acceptable licenses."
2) The OSI definition says "The license shall not restrict any party from selling or giving away the software as a component of an aggregate software distribution containing programs from several different sources. The license shall not require a royalty or other fee for such sale."
3) The linked article states "The Community Codebase is free for all members of eBay's Developers Program and PayPal Developer Network."
So - if what you say is true, I don't see how ebay is going to restrict the source to eBay/PP developer network.
Can anone confirm that the licenses will actually be OSI approved? (as someone else has pointed out the term "open source" has no legal meaning)
As this anonymous post on security focus points out: The obvious error in this analysis is that the relevant privacy protections that apply online are statutory, not constitutional. So they are unaffected by Caballes.
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So what? Do you really believe that Apple had the right to "copyright" items like overlapping windows?
Microsoft (filth tho they are) were IMO able to reimplement Apples GUI if they so chose.
Or do you believe that Apple should not be able to use items like tabbed dialogue boxes? (they appeared in windows first)
Apple had given Xerox shares in exchange for just a demo of what they had achieved at PARC.
Reference please. I see many Apple shills pulling this out, but it seems to be contradicted by Xerox sueing Apple.
Choice quote from the article:
Microsoft did not give Apple or Xerox anything.
so what?
I don't believe they should have - they didn't steal Apple's copyrighted code did they?
Apple are a great company - they make nice hardware, a reasonable Unix like system to run on it and are innovative in many ways.
But it doesn't mean we have to defend them when they're clearly wrong.
From the reg article:
Seriously - I really don't understand why the Apple Fans are defending Apple on this one. Apple crossed the line of reasonableness here, defending them means you've crossed the line from fan to shill.
Why is this marked as offtopic?
Both comments are clearly ontopic flamebait.
For readers outside of Australia - Melbourne and Sydney have a rivalry big enough to affected the placement of the capital (Canberra) - it was eventually placed halfway between Sydney and Melbourne.
Even the Australian Constitution had a clause that Canberra must be more then 100 miles from Sydney.
I like honestpuck - but that statement is a troll. Not a particularly funny one unfortunately - because not enough people will get the joke.
But it gets worse.
whirlpool have this on their front page at the moment (also here
From the article:
*shivers* 20MB? Erk.
Many other interesting facts in the article - including a link to ham radio users who've filed comlaints about interference.
Tasmania is looked upon as geographically small by the rest of Australia - Australia is roughly the same size as the US (without Alaska) - but only divided into seven states (or territories).
Tasmania is by far the smallest state - it is four times smaller then the second smallest state (Victoria) and forty times smaller then the largest (Western Australia)
Bah!
1) Spiders, snakes are rare in Tasmania.
2) In Tas, the water is to cold to swim in (hence sharks are no problem)
3) Maoris are only deadly if you don't know they're from New Zealand, not Australia.
I mostly agree with your points, but:
1) If you don't like eBAYskype(tm) don't use it.
2) People who do like eBAYskype(tm) can use it.
3) More communication options are better then less.
*shrug* I hardly ever use ebay, but I use skype all the time. I see skype as being more useful - and I certainly see the use in being able to talk to someone I am buying from.
Errrr,
I'm not sure what you mean? You should have included:
4) All of the above.
But in answer:
4) All of the above.
why would EBay want to buy a peanut butter manufacturer? And if they did want to, I would think Jif would be a more appropriate takeover target.
:-)
Market analysts say (and market analysts are never wrong) that skype "could help eBay quickly improve customer service"
Anyone who's used Paypal know how important "customer service" is to ebay
In all seriousness - as WSJ intimates, automated buyer to seller / buyer to previous buyer / etc VOIP calls, could improve ebay's model of doing business.
Hi there Moto,
I agree that the license change will be good for Sun. Workplace using OO derived code without the improvements going back to Sun was wrong, but SISSL did allow that.
As for dual licensing being a messy, confusing business; I'm not so sure. MySQL, Trolltech (the makers of QT) Mozilla all use dual licenses.
Trolltech puts it best:
This is how it works: In return for the advantages you realize from using a Trolltech product to create your application, we require that you do one of the following:
Either: Contribute to the continued development of the product by purchasing commercial licenses from Trolltech. This option secures you the right to distribute your application under the license terms of your choice.
Or: Contribute to the Open Source community by placing your application under an Open Source license (e.g. the GPL). This option secures all users the rights to obtain the application's full source code, modify it, and redistribute it.
OpenOffice.org is not "going" LGPL - it was already LGPL and SISSL.
It is now just LGPL. I don't see how this is "good news" for OO at all - maybe good news for OSI or others who would like to see less of a proliferation of Open Source licences.
Find it disgusting that emergency aid workers have to beg for money to provide vital equipment to people who are dying?
This in a country that has spent nearly 200 Billion on an unnecessary war in a far off land.
Sorry,
I should have clarified:
Famous Last Nerds is the official website of the duo who wrote the musical in question.
I found the mp3s I linked to on this page
I guess I could've coral cached the links - but screw it - they're commercial artists distributing promotional songs - I assumed they'd have the neccessary bandwidth.
(Because this show premiered in 2003)
Windows Rap
Bill Gates busts a rhyme to release Windows
(Featuring the lyrics "remember my name, Bill Gates, bitch, pimp of the software game")
I Am Just A Nerd
Gates laments about his geeky past
This reminds me of the amusing, although almost certainly apocryphal, story of the corporation who attempted to gain all intellectual property rights over the desktop metaphor for computer interfaces using copyright.
Oh wait! Thats not an apocryphal story at all
Whilst I don't think software patents are a good idea generally and this particular patent is insane, I feel a certain....lack of sympathy toward apple for opening this entire can of worms in the first place.
windows 98 *snip* had a built in feature to place calls through your modem line, *snip* to be able to make long distance calls.....this was rectified in the second edition of windows 98.... *snip* call my friends in new york from canada for free
Windows 98 did not contain some magic software to allow you to call your friends for free.
I'm not sure what you're describing - but I suspect you dialed New York at standard intl rates & the company you worked for footed the bill.
Sounds like too niche an area to teach at a university to me.
Exposed to cosmic radiation during a space mission, austronauts are torn apart and reformed atom-by-atom. Soon after they return to Earth, they each manifest fantastic superpowers. Some can stretch their bodies to inhuman lengths; Others can become invisible and create force fields; still others can ignite their bodies into living flame and soar through the air; and an unlucky few's human features are erased - now with the rocky form of a super-strong, invulnerable 'thing'.
Hope they never make a movie about it - it would be terrible.
a strategy...to see how Microsoft's proprietary technologies can better interoperate with Linux and a host of other open-source software.
If Microsoft wants better interoperation with linux, they do not need to create a Linux/Open Source lab to ïnvestigate interoperability.
All they need to do is release specifications or source-available implementations of their network protocols and file formats.
Is this really so hard to understand?
Read the article here.
The byline for the article: Godson-2 now visible in Intel's rear view mirror
It looks like its doing 400-500MHz on a 180nm process, with 800MHz-1GHz expected on 130nm fairly soon.
At this point a very low-priced PC becomes feasible, comfortably under $150.
Sounds good huh?
Computers with physical access are susceptible to "unintended root-level access".
Yep. Got boot? You've got root.
That said however, the Operating System should at least try to protect sensitive data - make it so the attacker is going to have to pull that hard drive out of the box & mount it from another machine to try & brute-force the password file (or whatever)
There is no need to make it as easy as plugging in a USB device....
Note to Microsoft
We have more then enough hat colours as things stand.
Blue Hat hacker sounds like an IBM employee anyway (or an Anti-Fedora agent?)
Just wondering
1) You say "All projects will be licensed under OSI acceptable licenses."
2) The OSI definition says "The license shall not restrict any party from selling or giving away the software as a component of an aggregate software distribution containing programs from several different sources. The license shall not require a royalty or other fee for such sale."
3) The linked article states "The Community Codebase is free for all members of eBay's Developers Program and PayPal Developer Network."
So - if what you say is true, I don't see how ebay is going to restrict the source to eBay/PP developer network.
Can anone confirm that the licenses will actually be OSI approved? (as someone else has pointed out the term "open source" has no legal meaning)
Would be to build China's own software industry.
Imagine that! An undeveloped nation using protections to build an industry at home.
Perfectly reasonable really.
As this anonymous post on security focus points out:
The obvious error in this analysis is that the relevant privacy protections that apply online are statutory, not constitutional. So they are unaffected by Caballes.