Isn't part of the way Bayesian filtering works is that you have to supply it with "what is spam" to teach the filter what it should filter out?
True. The webmail program we use (www.horde.org/imp) has a "report as spam" button that could be used for this. But your point about people abusing that is well taken. Sigh....:-(
But then again, I get so much spam just by myself that I could keep it well fed. Like, my e-mail address above is slashdot@weaverling.org and I only use that addy here and you wouldn't believe how much spam THAT gets. Just redirecting that to the bayesian filter should do it (it's not like any/. readers would ever have anything useful to e-mail me anyway...:) But seriously, some well placed spam trap addresses on web pages and in usenet alt.test posts should provide loads of food for it.
I did a search for Bayesian on freshmeat and came up with a few hits. Does anyone have any recommendations for a decent filter that I could deploy on a large sendmail/procmail box with 20,000 users? Hopefully something that tags it as spam so user can do their own easier filtering?
(lame anti-flame prediction pre-response: No, I don't work for a big company with lots of money that could afford to buy something. I work for a non-profit college)
If they are going to cap total bandwidth, then they should uncap the throughput caps. If I can't hog over 6 gigs a month, then the times when I do need to download something big, at least let me do it fast, get it through the system and re-clear up the line quickly.
Oh, and btw, I guess this will kill the idea of delivering movies over the net. Who is going to pay a few bucks to download a pay-per-view movie that takes about 800 megs if that's going to add to your monthly allowance?
I can get spam filtering as part of upgrading my free MSN account to MSN 8 for only $10/month!
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(Just trying to figure out what the MS trolls will have to say about this one, since every Mozilla article degrades to a flame fest of Microsoft greatness versus the rest of the world)
Well, I don't have any cites, but I've read before that the STD incidences among the workers, including AIDS, is far lower than even the general population, due to weekly testing and strict "safe sex" rules.
Like, I'm sure even a hummer requires a condom.
Still, the entire concept is just weird. How does a girl apply for a job? What's the interview like?!:)
Ah, you must be talking about that toy monorail that goes between, what is it, caesars and bellagio? It actually is more like a cable car, gets pulled back and forth on a fixed cable....
A common misunderstanding is that prostitution is legal in Las Vegas. It's not. It's only legal in counties where the population is less than 400,000 -- which is all Nevada counties except for two. One is Clark County where Las Vegas sits, the other is where Reno is.
Sorry, you'll just have to drive out to the ole ranch there ya city slicker!
My local cable company, Comcast, just started offering On Demand movies. I just scroll through a list of movies, click order, $3.95 is added to my next bill, and the movie starts immediately. I can freeze it, rewind, fast forward, stop it, restart it, watch it over and over, all within a 24 hour period.
No PC hassles, no software to load, and it works with my living room TV.
They also record and allow you to watch many network shows this way too -- currently free. Not sure about you, but I'd pay for that. Even with a PVR, you have to let it know what you want to record or let it choose for you. If On Demand takes off and makes available all shows, I'd have no problem paying a buck to watch certain tv shows done in the past week. For example, I never watch Friends but if someone said it was great, I might go in, find it, and pay a buck to watch it.
Very convenient. Spooling movies over the Internet is a stupid model. Bogs down the net for everyone else, will get you labled a bandwidth hog by your ISP, and is hardly instant gratification.
Is the ice up there really floating though? Like, if you take a glass of water, partially freeze it so the top is frozen, drain the water underneath, the ice will not move since it's anchored near the rim.
Maybe not the best example, but I'd suspect it's not floating else when the water levels changed due to tides, there'd be huge ice quakes or something as that ice would have to shift around.
(Then again, maybe it does do that. I have no idea, which is why I bring it up.:)
PHP Calendar sounds great. Thanks for the tip. As for iPhoto outputing in HTML, yes, it does, but only a very basic thumbnail index to the pics page, not the flashier.mac format.
I dug around my idisk where it uploads the iphoto stuff thinking I could just copy it to my own web server after it was generated, but it uses too many server-side scripts as well as obfuscating things behind hidden directories, etc...
It's hardly emulating a.mac server. What about the other stuff? How can I upload my iCal to it and have it magically generate the calendar html files? How can I publish my iPhoto stuff and have it build all the web pages that puts it all together and lets me manage the web account?
ok, it's faking one bit of it so you can make backup work.
I'm one of those that thinks.mac is a decent value and paid my money for it. I also find it ironic that Microsoft has yet to find any.Net services that people want to buy. MSN 8? I still haven't figured out what you get with MSN 8 that is so special. Spam filtering? You could do much better and get better filtering results by spending $30/year on a spamcop.net e-mail account.
I originally thought that.mac was a cheesy ripoff of the.net name, but now I am loving the irony of Apple ripping off a Microsoft idea instead of the other way around.
My organization was approached by Microsoft to scrap our Linux mail server serving 17,000 students and staff and move to Exchange. Even with the deeply discounted educational pricing for Exchange CALs, we were looking at a licensing cost of over $100,000 a year to do this. Plus, if that's not enough, instead of doing mail on one dual-processor linux box with 4 gigs of RAM, I'd have to buy several equivalent boxes to spread the exchange load over as well as buy (their recommendation) enterprise server and do clustering. If that's not enough, the Unix mail server runs pretty much by itself with someone having to stroke it once in a blue moon with one hand while eating their lunch with the other hand. If I moved to Exchange, I'd have to send a few techs I have out to training for all the microsoft administration knowledge, or fire them and go hire me a few MCSEs.
So, I think there are cases to illustrate whatever point one is trying to make. Sure, in your case open source may be more expensive, but that doesn't mean it's always going to be the case and anyone who dismisses a solution on any platform without doing a careful cost/benefit analysis of all factors, shouldn't be a decision maker.
Disclaimer: Yeah, I know exchange does more than just mail... but those applicable functions we nned that exchange does is handled by other server apps we run as well...
OK, here's my great idea. Bore a tunnel from one side of the planet to another, right through the center of the earth. Travel vehicle is held on one end by being clamped. When vehicle is full of people, it is just let go and gravity pulls it up to full speed until it passes the center, then gravity slows it back down until it reaches other side of planet. Only a small amount of energy would be required to pull it back up to the surface for the remaining little bit of distance.
OK, you're all skeptical. Here's the FAQ from my investment prospectus.
What about all that hot shit in the center of the earth? The center of the earth is hollow. The propoganda saying different is the auto and air industry backed scientists who are afraid of my invention.
What if there are living creatures down there? Won't some federal agency or greenies try to stop the project? We have that covered in our "don't ask, don't tell" policy. Anything in the way of the boaring machine will silently be dealt with if it's too stupid to get out of the fuckin way.
What if there is a failure of the system, like the docking clamps fail? The system will be the safest form of transportation and we don't anticipate any failures. However, in that unlikely event, the unit would drop and we'd need to catch it when it comes up the other end. Failing that, it'd like bounce back and forth until coming to rest at the center of the earth. If that happened, the occupants would have to evacuate the unit and walk up to the surface via an exit staircase. The unit would then be destroyed and the debris would be swept out by a service "brick" vehicle that would be dropped to clear it out. All affected passengers would be given a free ticket for a future ride if they survive the walk to the surface.
.. then there is worrying about man-in-the-middle attacks... You begin on one gender and then your partner is moved to someone else of another gender without your knowledge.
Sigh, I have a lot of my very first coding (in Z80 assembly) stored on 8" floppies, CP/M format. I'd really like to get those text files transferred off of them. What a rush it would be (if they are still readable that is. It *has* been 20 years...
Those puppies held something like 160K and cost $5.00 (in 1980 dollars) a piece.
She made a typo when making a payment, instead of entering something like 60.09 she slipped and entered it without a period, 6009.
Sure enough Paypal processed the payment to some individual for $6,009. Wife freaks. Writes to paypal, they tell her tough shit, they can't do a thing about it, please ensure she has money in her accounts to fund the transaction.
So the wife cancels her credit card, talks to bank to make sure they will bounce the draft, etc...
Sure enough, next day, a draft for over six grand bounces, first $29 bank bounce charge fee. Pay pal autowrites her a nastygram saying to fund the account, that she MUST fund the account due to her paypal user agreement and they will try again in two days. Wife writes back, DON'T TRY AGAIN. Again, they say there is nothing they can do about it.
Again, another bounce, another $29 fee from bank. Finally, paypal gives up.
Some tips for all that she uses that saved her....
Separate checking account at a separate bank with a low balance. Remember, banks can rape other accounts you have with them to satisfy your debts to them in worse case scenarios (default, etc).
Credit card with a low (~$500) line of credit. However, this isn't security enough since some banks will still pay charges that go over your credit limit. It's really up to them.
Like another posted said earlier, Paypal is like playing the stock market, don't put in what you can't afford to lose. Just in her case, it looked like she was going to lose much more than that for a while there.
They are not talking about calling party paid, they are not talking about landline phones paying air time.
It's only if you are calling a number whose physical switch is outside your local landline calling area.
For example, I'll take Delaware as an example since it's dead simple. Three counties, three rate centers. If you have a cell phone whose number is from county #1, then county #2 and #3 pay normal intra-lata rates to call your number. Users in county #1 will continue to not pay.
In Delaware, cell companies give you a choice what county you want your number from so most people get one in the same county they live.
Let's take another theoretical example. Let's say you live in Benson AZ and your cell phone number is from Tucscon. It's a toll call from Benson to Tucson for landline users, but since Benson isn't big enough to have its own infrastructure for basing cell phone NUMBERS out of it (not towers), then the charges to call a cell phone based in Tucson from a landline in Benson were waived.
(Above just being an example of a small town with no local calling to its neighboring big town that I know, it's not a literal example)
This is a damn interesting point. Will there be a point in time when Microsoft will cease to issue re-activation keys for XP? Will it be the same date as when they stop supporting it? Does your software have a ticking time bomb inside it waiting to go off?
You know, we *just* deactivated a computer lab running Windows 3.1 connected to a Novell 3.11 server that was running some special client software that required those OSes. It ran just fine and did its job. Windows 3.1 has been unsupported for ages now. I can imagine the hell we'd have gone through if the decision to upgrade was forced upon us earlier. We also still have numerous Windows 95 clients out there, and a boatload of NT.
So saying XP will be supported for years and years is hardly a comforting fact.
Microsoft was trying to convince me to convert my college's e-mail system from unix to exchange server. Their prices for exchange are insane, even with heavily discounted educational pricing.
Let's see, 20,000 inboxes times about $6/seat is $120,000 -- versus -- free. Yeah, Exchange does more than just e-mail, but for that kind of cash in a cash-strapped educational institution, it's just insane. Add in the need to retrain some of my unix systems administrators or fire and rehire (not easy in a government institution) and it approaches an impossible scenario...
Poor slashdot. If they break a new release story right away they get flamed for causing people to slam the vendor's ftp site before the mirrors have a chance to get it, if they wait a few days and allow mirrors to get updated first, they get flamed for posting a story which is "old news."
At the suggestion of Brad Judy from Boulder I joined this list today.
I'm the technical staff member primarily responsible for the Windows
2000 'ban' (not my word) on UCSB's residential network.
If you read the Nexus article a bit more carefully you will realize that
it is not UCSB that requires students to log in as Administrator. That's
Berkeley.
As for the suddenly-controversial Windows 2000 prohibition, yes there
were a number of incidents that UCSB and most other schools in this
country (and others) experienced in 2001-2. The unisog list was
absolutely full of them, and continues to be to this day. Most issues
were the result of people running IIS or operating their system without
an administrator password.
Given the extremely small number of users running Win2k and the fact
that nearly every single exploit last year was on that platform, we
decided that it would be best to just do away with Windows 2000. As a
pilot program, it has been extremely successful. Only a tiny number of
students (around 10) have asked for an exemption, and only a few have
been granted. The only people terribly upset by the decision appear to
be the mudslingers on Slashdot who would rather we make everyone switch
to xNix anyway.:)
With this policy we are not calling into question the securability of
Windows 2000. I know as well as anyone else that it can be secure (our
resnet website runs on 2000). I just don't think that securing it is
within the capabilities or interest of the vast majority of our student
population. It remains to be seen how Windows XP will fare with respect
to security on campus.
______________________________________
Curtis Kline
Residential Network Coordinator
University of California Santa Barbara
Slashdot Mirror
True. The webmail program we use (www.horde.org/imp) has a "report as spam" button that could be used for this. But your point about people abusing that is well taken. Sigh.... :-(
But then again, I get so much spam just by myself that I could keep it well fed. Like, my e-mail address above is slashdot@weaverling.org and I only use that addy here and you wouldn't believe how much spam THAT gets. Just redirecting that to the bayesian filter should do it (it's not like any /. readers would ever have anything useful to e-mail me anyway... :) But seriously, some well placed spam trap addresses on web pages and in usenet alt.test posts should provide loads of food for it.
Anyway, thanks for the reply.
(lame anti-flame prediction pre-response: No, I don't work for a big company with lots of money that could afford to buy something. I work for a non-profit college)
Oh, and btw, I guess this will kill the idea of delivering movies over the net. Who is going to pay a few bucks to download a pay-per-view movie that takes about 800 megs if that's going to add to your monthly allowance?
I can get spam filtering as part of upgrading my free MSN account to MSN 8 for only $10/month!
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(Just trying to figure out what the MS trolls will have to say about this one, since every Mozilla article degrades to a flame fest of Microsoft greatness versus the rest of the world)
Like, I'm sure even a hummer requires a condom.
Still, the entire concept is just weird. How does a girl apply for a job? What's the interview like?! :)
Ah, you must be talking about that toy monorail that goes between, what is it, caesars and bellagio? It actually is more like a cable car, gets pulled back and forth on a fixed cable....
Sorry, you'll just have to drive out to the ole ranch there ya city slicker!
No PC hassles, no software to load, and it works with my living room TV.
They also record and allow you to watch many network shows this way too -- currently free. Not sure about you, but I'd pay for that. Even with a PVR, you have to let it know what you want to record or let it choose for you. If On Demand takes off and makes available all shows, I'd have no problem paying a buck to watch certain tv shows done in the past week. For example, I never watch Friends but if someone said it was great, I might go in, find it, and pay a buck to watch it.
Very convenient. Spooling movies over the Internet is a stupid model. Bogs down the net for everyone else, will get you labled a bandwidth hog by your ISP, and is hardly instant gratification.
Maybe not the best example, but I'd suspect it's not floating else when the water levels changed due to tides, there'd be huge ice quakes or something as that ice would have to shift around.
(Then again, maybe it does do that. I have no idea, which is why I bring it up. :)
I dug around my idisk where it uploads the iphoto stuff thinking I could just copy it to my own web server after it was generated, but it uses too many server-side scripts as well as obfuscating things behind hidden directories, etc...
ok, it's faking one bit of it so you can make backup work.
I'm one of those that thinks .mac is a decent value and paid my money for it. I also find it ironic that Microsoft has yet to find any .Net services that people want to buy. MSN 8? I still haven't figured out what you get with MSN 8 that is so special. Spam filtering? You could do much better and get better filtering results by spending $30/year on a spamcop.net e-mail account.
I originally thought that .mac was a cheesy ripoff of the .net name, but now I am loving the irony of Apple ripping off a Microsoft idea instead of the other way around.
So, I think there are cases to illustrate whatever point one is trying to make. Sure, in your case open source may be more expensive, but that doesn't mean it's always going to be the case and anyone who dismisses a solution on any platform without doing a careful cost/benefit analysis of all factors, shouldn't be a decision maker.
Disclaimer: Yeah, I know exchange does more than just mail... but those applicable functions we nned that exchange does is handled by other server apps we run as well...
OK, you're all skeptical. Here's the FAQ from my investment prospectus.
User education is a bit hard when you have 17,000 users to deal with and less then 10 staff to do it (it's a college)
.. then there is worrying about man-in-the-middle attacks... You begin on one gender and then your partner is moved to someone else of another gender without your knowledge.
Those puppies held something like 160K and cost $5.00 (in 1980 dollars) a piece.
Sure enough Paypal processed the payment to some individual for $6,009. Wife freaks. Writes to paypal, they tell her tough shit, they can't do a thing about it, please ensure she has money in her accounts to fund the transaction.
So the wife cancels her credit card, talks to bank to make sure they will bounce the draft, etc...
Sure enough, next day, a draft for over six grand bounces, first $29 bank bounce charge fee. Pay pal autowrites her a nastygram saying to fund the account, that she MUST fund the account due to her paypal user agreement and they will try again in two days. Wife writes back, DON'T TRY AGAIN. Again, they say there is nothing they can do about it.
Again, another bounce, another $29 fee from bank. Finally, paypal gives up.
Some tips for all that she uses that saved her....
Like another posted said earlier, Paypal is like playing the stock market, don't put in what you can't afford to lose. Just in her case, it looked like she was going to lose much more than that for a while there.
It's only if you are calling a number whose physical switch is outside your local landline calling area.
For example, I'll take Delaware as an example since it's dead simple. Three counties, three rate centers. If you have a cell phone whose number is from county #1, then county #2 and #3 pay normal intra-lata rates to call your number. Users in county #1 will continue to not pay.
In Delaware, cell companies give you a choice what county you want your number from so most people get one in the same county they live.
Let's take another theoretical example. Let's say you live in Benson AZ and your cell phone number is from Tucscon. It's a toll call from Benson to Tucson for landline users, but since Benson isn't big enough to have its own infrastructure for basing cell phone NUMBERS out of it (not towers), then the charges to call a cell phone based in Tucson from a landline in Benson were waived.
(Above just being an example of a small town with no local calling to its neighboring big town that I know, it's not a literal example)
You know, we *just* deactivated a computer lab running Windows 3.1 connected to a Novell 3.11 server that was running some special client software that required those OSes. It ran just fine and did its job. Windows 3.1 has been unsupported for ages now. I can imagine the hell we'd have gone through if the decision to upgrade was forced upon us earlier. We also still have numerous Windows 95 clients out there, and a boatload of NT.
So saying XP will be supported for years and years is hardly a comforting fact.
"Oh, it's secure, it doesn't need a sandbox, you can only run digitally signed controls."
Famous statement from years ago when Active X controls were hoisted upon us an an answer to Java's "limitations."
Let's see, 20,000 inboxes times about $6/seat is $120,000 -- versus -- free. Yeah, Exchange does more than just e-mail, but for that kind of cash in a cash-strapped educational institution, it's just insane. Add in the need to retrain some of my unix systems administrators or fire and rehire (not easy in a government institution) and it approaches an impossible scenario...
I hope it also doesn't implement the sound cap level feature required by iPods in France....
Poor slashdot. If they break a new release story right away they get flamed for causing people to slam the vendor's ftp site before the mirrors have a chance to get it, if they wait a few days and allow mirrors to get updated first, they get flamed for posting a story which is "old news."