Filed a bug on it yet? Hrm... the answer to that appears to be no. You could have done it in the time it took to whine to/. In the meantime, though, someone has done it for you... click here.
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Given that I wouldn't count on/. to report it, but I read just about every other Linux-related news site in existence and hadn't heard anything about this. Care to back it up?
But it is feature rich, and you don't have to build it. It has many of the nifty features IE has (including instability:)- autocompletion, integration with mail and the desktop, etc. And you can get binaries right here. So... any more complaints? Seriously... I do some spare time QA stuff for moz, so any features that you don't think are there I'd love to hear about.
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Every OS program is also FS, and vice versa. That is so absolutely wrong I don't know where to start... but I guess I'll start by paraphrasing RMS: "Please don't call me a member of the Open Source movement." Open Source software (as defined by the OSI) includes just about any software to which the source is available, regardless on the constraints which are placed on the use of that source once obtained. For example, many "Open Source" licenses allow corporate sponsors special rights, including the ability to close the code, use code in closed source products, and other such things. In contrast, Free Software (as defined by RMS and co.) is software which is (generally speaking) very liberally licensed- virtually no constraints can be placed on anyone who gets the source, except that they must also share the source. These are radically different- Open Source does include Free Software, but the reverse is very clearly not true (as RMS is always reminding everyone.) Please don't spread that misconception.
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Not to toot my own horn, but check out linuxdoc.org for the Lego+ Linux mini-HOWTO, which lists 7 different languages that one can program the Mindstorms in from Linux. That's the first place to go:)
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This is almost as bad as seeing nightly builds with a milestone number in them and then screaming "Mozilla MXX is out!!"
You would think that they would have learned after doing that twice. Jeez...
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"Clearly, IE is a better browser"
Eh. Clearly, you haven't been using Mozilla regularly. It isn't yet as good as (say) IE 5.5 for Mac, but it is vastly better than Netscape 4.x and getting better all the time.
"and will stay that way."
How exactly do you justify that? Oh, wait, I forgot- this is slashdot, not actual journalism.
Seriously, if this article were a comment, it would get modded into the ground as flamebait, because Michael is making claims that are not only tenously grounded in reality, but which he completely fails to back up at all. Furthermore, it completely ignores most of us who are not willing to run products that aren't free, Windows first and foremost among them.
Please, please/.- think before you post. I still like you guys, and you'll last a lot longer if you don't alienate your readership by allowing trolls to pose as employees.
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I think that Jeff's intro is perhaps the best-written thing I've ever seen on/. Obviously, it was edited and massaged, but the message is a clear and powerful one. Good luck in getting this message out- I too fear a society in which we actively attempt to isolate non-conformists, even though I had it better than many people around here did in HS.
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Guiness doesn't actually have much to do with the Book of World Records, IIRC. It's just a family name (or something like that) somehow related to the book. I can't (unfortunately) find proof of that anywhere on the web. Anyone?
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Do you guys have any plans to do something similar for Debian, or have others approached you about it? I'd love to apt-get install bastille, and have it do something similar to what I've heard it does for RH. Anyway, even if you don't, keep up the good work.
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The LWN S-1 analysis notes that they do plan on a small offering to developers and such, like RH and VA did. But no mention as to how many people that would apply to, or how they would be selected.
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I do QA for them (on and off, just volunteer stuff) and if you look through bugzilla you'll find several of the same types of bug reports. Since they are completely public bug reports (i.e., you can search them by email address, among other things) I've always been surprised to see that. But some people clearly don't care. And it gives me a great excuse;)
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I'm currently a moderator, and so I was tempted to actually do just that and mark it as flamebait, but I'll respond instead.
1) How exactly does it blow the pants off of Linux? It's not customizable at all, it's not free, and it runs only on godawfully expensive HW.
2) Just because it is BSD-based does not make it in any way open. Apple has taken the source and closed it (as is their right under the BSD license) so saying "Linux suxOrs because another Open Source OS has QT" is wrong.
3) As the original post mentions, Apple won't let the codec be ported to Linux. Your post basically says "Apple ported it to BSD themselves." Big fricking deal. It still doesn't in any way refute his point: that Apple will not allow anyone to port the codec, because they have a closed and controlling mentality about software.
Ugh. In summary: it is definitely flamebait, and I fell for it. Hope you are happy.
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Well, sure, but as others have pointed out if you do that you should recognize MIT, X, BSD, etc., and soon enough Mozilla and Sun. The difference (in my mind) is that while those groups have written a lot of code (and code is damn important, don't get me wrong) they didn't really start and fuel the movement in the way that Stallman and GNU did at a critical time.
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TeX? ? As far as I know, LDP docs have never, ever been written in TeX. And they are very, very helpful about getting you up to speed on DocBook. (If you can write HTML, you can learn DocBook in about 2 minutes.) And there are no LDP standards for content. Obviously, they'd prefer something that covers all the bases, but it doesn't have to.
As far as info being a horrific standard, well, yeah.:) That doesn't change the fact that the ideology behind GNU is still important, and that people ought to learn about it up front.
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I think you (and most others) misunderstand RMS's goals when he advocates the use of GNU/Linux. This isn't about personal recognition for him- it is about spreading the understanding that without the philosophy of GNU, Linux would not have happened. Look at all the newbies who come to Linux and know who Linus is but don't understand thing one about free speech v. free beer. If they were told up front "you are installing GNU/Linux" they might have at least some curiousity to understand what GNU is and what GNU stands for. They might be more willing to stand up for principles and more willing to fight against the creeping corporatism infecting open source. Instead, because they are told merely that they are using "Linux" they never seek to understand what "free" is and ought to mean. That is what Stallman wishes would happen, and that is why he insists on using GNU/Linux. And that's why I do, too, especially when I'm around people who I know don't understand the libre v. gratis. It must be hard for Stallman to see things come this close to being a situation where the world really is safe for libre software, but it isn't because people are too dense to see the importance of words.
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Well, there is no unified desktop (which I think was complaint number one) but there is still one binary (funny, it is still called soffice;) We'll see, I guess.
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Bruce-
I think the problem is that it will not be a big deal as soon as people expect. I've been playing with it all day, and it is pretty solid, but it will still take a long, long time before it is really on par with Office. And by then Office will have voice recognition.:| We'll see, I guess, but if we have learned anything from the Mozilla example, there is still a long ways to go before this has the kind of impact we'd all like.
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Filed a bug on it yet? Hrm... the answer to that appears to be no. You could have done it in the time it took to whine to /. In the meantime, though, someone has done it for you... click here.
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Given that I wouldn't count on /. to report it, but I read just about every other Linux-related news site in existence and hadn't heard anything about this. Care to back it up?
But it is feature rich, and you don't have to build it. It has many of the nifty features IE has (including instability :)- autocompletion, integration with mail and the desktop, etc. And you can get binaries right here. So... any more complaints? Seriously... I do some spare time QA stuff for moz, so any features that you don't think are there I'd love to hear about.
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Every OS program is also FS, and vice versa. That is so absolutely wrong I don't know where to start... but I guess I'll start by paraphrasing RMS: "Please don't call me a member of the Open Source movement." Open Source software (as defined by the OSI) includes just about any software to which the source is available, regardless on the constraints which are placed on the use of that source once obtained. For example, many "Open Source" licenses allow corporate sponsors special rights, including the ability to close the code, use code in closed source products, and other such things. In contrast, Free Software (as defined by RMS and co.) is software which is (generally speaking) very liberally licensed- virtually no constraints can be placed on anyone who gets the source, except that they must also share the source. These are radically different- Open Source does include Free Software, but the reverse is very clearly not true (as RMS is always reminding everyone.) Please don't spread that misconception.
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Yeah, really... even the letters say UD and not DU. And to think I was getting excited...
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Not to toot my own horn, but check out linuxdoc.org for the Lego+ Linux mini-HOWTO, which lists 7 different languages that one can program the Mindstorms in from Linux. That's the first place to go :)
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This is almost as bad as seeing nightly builds with a milestone number in them and then screaming "Mozilla MXX is out!!"
You would think that they would have learned after doing that twice. Jeez...
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Score: [-1, Flamebait] but /. ate it. Oh well.
"Clearly, IE is a better browser" /.- think before you post. I still like you guys, and you'll last a lot longer if you don't alienate your readership by allowing trolls to pose as employees.
Eh. Clearly, you haven't been using Mozilla regularly. It isn't yet as good as (say) IE 5.5 for Mac, but it is vastly better than Netscape 4.x and getting better all the time.
"and will stay that way."
How exactly do you justify that? Oh, wait, I forgot- this is slashdot, not actual journalism.
Seriously, if this article were a comment, it would get modded into the ground as flamebait, because Michael is making claims that are not only tenously grounded in reality, but which he completely fails to back up at all. Furthermore, it completely ignores most of us who are not willing to run products that aren't free, Windows first and foremost among them.
Please, please
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I think that Jeff's intro is perhaps the best-written thing I've ever seen on /. Obviously, it was edited and massaged, but the message is a clear and powerful one. Good luck in getting this message out- I too fear a society in which we actively attempt to isolate non-conformists, even though I had it better than many people around here did in HS.
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I don't think that is what they mean to say, but that is what it sounds like to me anyway. /me pats RMS on the back and moves on...
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Guiness doesn't actually have much to do with the Book of World Records, IIRC. It's just a family name (or something like that) somehow related to the book. I can't (unfortunately) find proof of that anywhere on the web. Anyone?
~luge
Do you guys have any plans to do something similar for Debian, or have others approached you about it? I'd love to apt-get install bastille, and have it do something similar to what I've heard it does for RH. Anyway, even if you don't, keep up the good work.
~luge
The LWN S-1 analysis notes that they do plan on a small offering to developers and such, like RH and VA did. But no mention as to how many people that would apply to, or how they would be selected.
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Linux Weekly News has a pretty good analysis of their filing up. You can find it here.
Enjoy...
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I do QA for them (on and off, just volunteer stuff) and if you look through bugzilla you'll find several of the same types of bug reports. Since they are completely public bug reports (i.e., you can search them by email address, among other things) I've always been surprised to see that. But some people clearly don't care. And it gives me a great excuse ;)
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they used TCWWW. Bonus karma to the two of you who still remember what that means :)
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They were all gung-ho air force jocks with advanced degrees. Geek and jock are not mutually exclusive, you know.
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I'm currently a moderator, and so I was tempted to actually do just that and mark it as flamebait, but I'll respond instead.
1) How exactly does it blow the pants off of Linux? It's not customizable at all, it's not free, and it runs only on godawfully expensive HW.
2) Just because it is BSD-based does not make it in any way open. Apple has taken the source and closed it (as is their right under the BSD license) so saying "Linux suxOrs because another Open Source OS has QT" is wrong.
3) As the original post mentions, Apple won't let the codec be ported to Linux. Your post basically says "Apple ported it to BSD themselves." Big fricking deal. It still doesn't in any way refute his point: that Apple will not allow anyone to port the codec, because they have a closed and controlling mentality about software.
Ugh. In summary: it is definitely flamebait, and I fell for it. Hope you are happy.
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Well, sure, but as others have pointed out if you do that you should recognize MIT, X, BSD, etc., and soon enough Mozilla and Sun. The difference (in my mind) is that while those groups have written a lot of code (and code is damn important, don't get me wrong) they didn't really start and fuel the movement in the way that Stallman and GNU did at a critical time.
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TeX? ? As far as I know, LDP docs have never, ever been written in TeX. And they are very, very helpful about getting you up to speed on DocBook. (If you can write HTML, you can learn DocBook in about 2 minutes.) And there are no LDP standards for content. Obviously, they'd prefer something that covers all the bases, but it doesn't have to. :) That doesn't change the fact that the ideology behind GNU is still important, and that people ought to learn about it up front.
As far as info being a horrific standard, well, yeah.
~luge
I think you (and most others) misunderstand RMS's goals when he advocates the use of GNU/Linux. This isn't about personal recognition for him- it is about spreading the understanding that without the philosophy of GNU, Linux would not have happened. Look at all the newbies who come to Linux and know who Linus is but don't understand thing one about free speech v. free beer. If they were told up front "you are installing GNU/Linux" they might have at least some curiousity to understand what GNU is and what GNU stands for. They might be more willing to stand up for principles and more willing to fight against the creeping corporatism infecting open source. Instead, because they are told merely that they are using "Linux" they never seek to understand what "free" is and ought to mean. That is what Stallman wishes would happen, and that is why he insists on using GNU/Linux. And that's why I do, too, especially when I'm around people who I know don't understand the libre v. gratis. It must be hard for Stallman to see things come this close to being a situation where the world really is safe for libre software, but it isn't because people are too dense to see the importance of words.
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Well, there is no unified desktop (which I think was complaint number one) but there is still one binary (funny, it is still called soffice ;) We'll see, I guess.
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Thanks for backing me up, Matthew. BTW, I fixed your name in the Lego HOWTO. Should be up on linuxdoc on a few days...
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Bruce- :| We'll see, I guess, but if we have learned anything from the Mozilla example, there is still a long ways to go before this has the kind of impact we'd all like.
I think the problem is that it will not be a big deal as soon as people expect. I've been playing with it all day, and it is pretty solid, but it will still take a long, long time before it is really on par with Office. And by then Office will have voice recognition.
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