Well, our press release points out we had roughly a million and a half installations of Ximian GNOME 1.4. And we had... well, we had a whole lot of downloads this morning well before it hit any community news sites, from people sitting and reloading ftp.ximian.com all night.:) So, I guess 'popular' is totally subjective, but I think it's fair to say there is at least some interest out there.:)
Not quite an oversight; more like a serious fuckup on the mirror syncing that was only discovered very late last night by some very, very tired code monkeys. It'll be corrected once we have bandwidth again. [By fixed I mean 'we'll put out.srpms', since we aren't upstream and hence have never released tarballs.]
What you really want anyway is http://patches.ximian.com, which still has some kinks (some missing patches, we can't quite tell why) but should have all the changes in much-easier-to-digest patch form.
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I can't comment on Solaris availability of the desktop, but I can note that the press release you're linking to says Red Carpet will be available on Solaris. Red Carpet is part of the Ximian Desktop, but it can also be used outside of the Ximian Desktop. Red Carpet (without the desktop) will be available on Solaris- that's all this press release currently claims.
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You can also just use the printscreen button in GNOME2 or XD2.;)
The final license stuff is still being taken care of by the board. It's been a year in negotation; we didn't want to rush or hurry that just for one release.
"It is being lead by a small group of core developers who are beholden to their employers."
You hold a very low opinion of the integrity of the core GNOME developers. 1/2 of the people I mentioned in the parent post are not paid to work on GNOME, and all of them started working on GNOME for love and not for money. Being paid hasn't changed that. If it had, we'd be working 9-5. We're not working 9-5. We're working a fuck of a lot more than that. Why? Because we love GNOME. Because we feel we're doing the right thing for GNOME. We're all bright people- we all have other options, even in the current economy. So... I don't know what to say. If you think we've sold out, I guess you're entitled to your opinion, but I'm entitled to tell you you're fucking wrong and then go back to making GNOME the best UNIX desktop there is. [And thankfully, get paid to do it.]
I wasn't going to respond to this, but since it seems to have gotten enough credence to get modded up to a five, it seems I should.
GNOME is not being hijacked. Hijacking is when captains and paying passengers are forced by outside forces to go someplace they don't want to go. GNOME is not being forced to go anywhere- the captains- the core maintainers- believe that what GNOME is doing is the right thing. Havoc, Alex, Dave, Jeff Waugh, John Fleck, and tens of other core people believe they are doing the right thing- they wouldn't do it otherwise. Those people have built GNOME with their sweat and tears, and if they feel that a simpler, more usable GNOME is the way to go, then they have every right to take GNOME that way.
Everyone else? All the hitchhikers who haven't given their time to GNOME? It's hard to hijack GNOME from them- if they haven't contributed, it is not their GNOME to take away. But that's the most beautiful part about Free Software. It doesn't matter that they don't like GNOME's direction- it's all still there for them to use, all several hundred thousand lines of it. If you disagree with where GNOME is being 'hijacked' to, there is more than one way to go. Fork it. Or use KDE. Or use GNOME1.4 until the end of time. Or (best option) put your own blood sweat and tears in and fight to make GNOME2 better. That's the option I've chosen, it's the option others have chosen. And I firmly believe it's the best choice I can make.
[Final note: People who post as ACs to/. are (correctly) ignored by GNOME. People who pour their entire fucking lives into GNOME, like Havoc, get a lot more respect. Flaming him merely proves how ignorant you are.]
It's important to note that these are not just 'ooh, we have a frontend that twiddles X settings'- it's support at the WM and panel level. GTK changes are (I'm told) in too. So GNOME has support that actually works, for the six or so people bold enough to run CVS GNOME on top of CVS X;)
You're taking that course from Astrachan? You're a lucky kid- value every damn moment of it. He's as good a prof as you're ever going to have, anywhere.
Given that Duke's IP department is heavily interested in patent law as well as copyright, I'd guess that a lot of this money will be spent on research that is relevant to both copyright and patent. See, for example, some of the papers from their conference on the public domain, including the ones on biopharmaceutical patents. They are not dumb people, in other words- they're just as well aware of the dangers of patents as you are.:)
Um, GNOME does all of those things (except smoketesting, which we hope will be coming soon). We release on a regular 3 week schedule (with 6 month major releases), we use bugzilla religiously, and we use tinderbox and release daily snapshots on multiple platforms (via both ftp and Red Carpet.) So... frankly, you don't know what the hell you're talking about:)
P.S. Leaf and Brendan would probably consider you a troll. I sure do.
That's because Tim's office space is donated by Ximian; he lived in Boston before he took the job so that made a lot of sense. AFAIK Ximian won't ever touch a dime of the money.
There has only been one reported, duplicated BSD-specific bug of which I'm aware[1]. That doesn't mean that there aren't bugs there, but if there are, they aren't really being reported. Sun's porting work has helped portability a great deal, so it all 'should' work- we can't really know if no one has tried, though.
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Well, our press release points out we had roughly a million and a half installations of Ximian GNOME 1.4. And we had... well, we had a whole lot of downloads this morning well before it hit any community news sites, from people sitting and reloading ftp.ximian.com all night. :) So, I guess 'popular' is totally subjective, but I think it's fair to say there is at least some interest out there. :)
Not quite an oversight; more like a serious fuckup on the mirror syncing that was only discovered very late last night by some very, very tired code monkeys. It'll be corrected once we have bandwidth again. [By fixed I mean 'we'll put out .srpms', since we aren't upstream and hence have never released tarballs.]
What you really want anyway is http://patches.ximian.com, which still has some kinks (some missing patches, we can't quite tell why) but should have all the changes in much-easier-to-digest patch form.
I can't comment on Solaris availability of the desktop, but I can note that the press release you're linking to says Red Carpet will be available on Solaris. Red Carpet is part of the Ximian Desktop, but it can also be used outside of the Ximian Desktop. Red Carpet (without the desktop) will be available on Solaris- that's all this press release currently claims.
You can also just use the printscreen button in GNOME2 or XD2. ;)
Miguel is mostly wrong. I wish that were more clear, though.
Mod this baby up. :) We've been using the new foot for six months now, maybe in six months /. will catch up ;)
It is a BTF reference; that's been a constant thread throughout the 2.1/2.2 release process. It's a great signoff for this fun release process.
Yes, it does. It's really just not that big of a deal :) so it didn't make the release notes.
The final license stuff is still being taken care of by the board. It's been a year in negotation; we didn't want to rush or hurry that just for one release.
"It is being lead by a small group of core developers who are beholden to their employers."
You hold a very low opinion of the integrity of the core GNOME developers. 1/2 of the people I mentioned in the parent post are not paid to work on GNOME, and all of them started working on GNOME for love and not for money. Being paid hasn't changed that. If it had, we'd be working 9-5. We're not working 9-5. We're working a fuck of a lot more than that. Why? Because we love GNOME. Because we feel we're doing the right thing for GNOME. We're all bright people- we all have other options, even in the current economy. So... I don't know what to say. If you think we've sold out, I guess you're entitled to your opinion, but I'm entitled to tell you you're fucking wrong and then go back to making GNOME the best UNIX desktop there is. [And thankfully, get paid to do it.]
I wasn't going to respond to this, but since it seems to have gotten enough credence to get modded up to a five, it seems I should.
/. are (correctly) ignored by GNOME. People who pour their entire fucking lives into GNOME, like Havoc, get a lot more respect. Flaming him merely proves how ignorant you are.]
GNOME is not being hijacked. Hijacking is when captains and paying passengers are forced by outside forces to go someplace they don't want to go. GNOME is not being forced to go anywhere- the captains- the core maintainers- believe that what GNOME is doing is the right thing. Havoc, Alex, Dave, Jeff Waugh, John Fleck, and tens of other core people believe they are doing the right thing- they wouldn't do it otherwise. Those people have built GNOME with their sweat and tears, and if they feel that a simpler, more usable GNOME is the way to go, then they have every right to take GNOME that way.
Everyone else? All the hitchhikers who haven't given their time to GNOME? It's hard to hijack GNOME from them- if they haven't contributed, it is not their GNOME to take away. But that's the most beautiful part about Free Software. It doesn't matter that they don't like GNOME's direction- it's all still there for them to use, all several hundred thousand lines of it. If you disagree with where GNOME is being 'hijacked' to, there is more than one way to go. Fork it. Or use KDE. Or use GNOME1.4 until the end of time. Or (best option) put your own blood sweat and tears in and fight to make GNOME2 better. That's the option I've chosen, it's the option others have chosen. And I firmly believe it's the best choice I can make.
[Final note: People who post as ACs to
You need to be a bit more up to date, d00d.
It's important to note that these are not just 'ooh, we have a frontend that twiddles X settings'- it's support at the WM and panel level. GTK changes are (I'm told) in too. So GNOME has support that actually works, for the six or so people bold enough to run CVS GNOME on top of CVS X ;)
You're taking that course from Astrachan? You're a lucky kid- value every damn moment of it. He's as good a prof as you're ever going to have, anywhere.
Given that Duke's IP department is heavily interested in patent law as well as copyright, I'd guess that a lot of this money will be spent on research that is relevant to both copyright and patent. See, for example, some of the papers from their conference on the public domain, including the ones on biopharmaceutical patents. They are not dumb people, in other words- they're just as well aware of the dangers of patents as you are. :)
Um, GNOME does all of those things (except smoketesting, which we hope will be coming soon). We release on a regular 3 week schedule (with 6 month major releases), we use bugzilla religiously, and we use tinderbox and release daily snapshots on multiple platforms (via both ftp and Red Carpet.) So... frankly, you don't know what the hell you're talking about :)
P.S. Leaf and Brendan would probably consider you a troll. I sure do.
Speaking of duplicated work... it's good to know that there can never be enough dickheads in the world.
Yeah. I haven't exactly updated that page recently ;)
FWIW, the board is working to set up credit card donations, and you can write a check.
That's because Tim's office space is donated by Ximian; he lived in Boston before he took the job so that made a lot of sense. AFAIK Ximian won't ever touch a dime of the money.
Not going anywhere, just changing the link. None of us has time/energy to do something as involved as 'cvs remove' right now :)
Yeah. Some people are actually looking at this for gnome2.2, FWIW. It's a non-trivial hack but would be worth doing if it could be done right.
Thanks for bringing it up- we've fixed it and are regenning the web site as we speak.
Thank god :)
There has only been one reported, duplicated BSD-specific bug of which I'm aware[1]. That doesn't mean that there aren't bugs there, but if there are, they aren't really being reported. Sun's porting work has helped portability a great deal, so it all 'should' work- we can't really know if no one has tried, though.
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[1]http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84