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I've been waiting for this for a long time...it looks damn good!
I'll burn some karma here, but to those who want to know, Star Control 2 is being ported to Linux, Mac, and Windows at long last, see details at this url:
http://www.classicgaming.com/starcontrol/
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
I don't have time to evaluate it soon, so let me be the first to congratulate the team on reaching this milestone. It's gotta be a little easier to breathe now.
I'll let others congratulate them on the quality of the product.
In Capitalist America, bank robs you!
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Cripes, already slashdotted. You bastards!
Carousel is a lie!
Good work everyone! I've been using gnome2 from cvs for some time now, and I am impressed with, and greatful for, all of your work. It is an excelent desktop, and one that no longer makes linux seem a compromise.
amen.. is this all we get ?....
looks poor....
To see a head-to-head Gnome2 vs. KDE3 showdown!
Yeehaw!
http://www.angryburrito.com/ The best, completely unfinished software review site ever.
For the lazy, here are the Screenshots.
Great work to everyone who helped with this. Gnome2 is amazing.
--Ben
What's next, Duke Nukem Forever?
Je t'aime Stéphanie
I wonder when gentoo will put it in the portage tree..
Kind of makes a mockery of the "Is Linux dead?" story, doesn't it? :-)
;-)
If it was true about Linux only getting a graphical interface recently, then the GNOME(tm) development team must surely be congratulated for getting version 2 ready so quickly, without the excessive delays which so often accompany releases of large software titles
Situation: I am browsing the web in Galeon, editting an image in Gimp, or doing something else in some Gnome application.
Now, I decide to save a document. I go to the File menu and select Save..., and am presented with the familiar "save" dialog. The default or current filename is in the text box at the bottom, and the directory navigation boxes are above.
Suppose further that I want to now save the file in a different directory. So I select a new directory, and the filename disappears.
Has this been fixed in 2.0?
Karma: Good (despite my invention of the Karma: sig)
What advantages does gnome have? Why would i go with it over KDE 3?
Just a question, not for the sake of argument. i'm a linux desktop newbie.
- tristan
Thank god :)
IAAL,BIANLY
Okay, Theme People, get busy! :)
...
...
... and while you're at it, come up with a way to make GTK1 and GTK2 themes match
... and since KDE can import GTK themes, make those match as well
:)
Napster-to-go says "Fill and refill your compatible MP3 player", which is a lie. It's not MP3. It's WMA with DRM.
I'll probably not switch away from KDE 3 anytime soon though.. I tried the last release candidate and wasn't very impressed.. GNOME is nice, but it still feels like everything is glued together instead of nicely integrated.. Maybe in a year or two..
My other account has a 3-digit UID.
You can get more information about the GNOME 2.0 system here.
And thanks to the OpenSSH exploit of the week, you don't even have to download it. Just log in to their test bed and have fun!
Just one word : gory !
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Microbob
Gnome2, Mozilla 1.0, Neverwinter Nights..... Damn cold in hell, is amazon turning a profit?
Duke Nukem Forever and Doom 3 just need to come out, and as a nice touch it would be cool if Star Control 2 would be re-released for Linux, Mac, and windows.... oh wait it is, hell is damn cold.
Now time to watch my karma go down the drain, but at least this time I was *less* offtopic.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
Any quick guides to replacing Metacity with say, sawfish, or any other windowmanager worth a crap? Especially on Solaris?
Cascade-only window placement, no alt-drag, no alt-tab.. metacity blows.
How on earth did you manage to cloak so many URLs to point to goatse? That's incredible! Still, I feel honor-bound to warn everyone away from your little trick.
Does this version work?
reality timed out @ 11:11
I am using the packages from Debian's experimental archive, and they are very usable. GTK+ 2 has many improvements. I love the uncluttered new panels, the simplified control panels. Nautilus is as good as ever :) There are still many bugs in GNOME 2.0, but I suggest that people should not be shy about trying it.
Gnomes are hard working little creatures. They are sworn enemies of the Troll race, and it their duty to kill all Trolls upon sight.
Gnomes work hard, fast, and well. What they create not only shows pure power and eliteness, but also their artistic integrity.
KDE on the other hand stands for K00l D3mon1c E133t. The KDE tribe are the "script-kiddies", the "hacks", in the Lunix Empire. They try to look good, and that is their only objective. While they do succeed on some fronts, they fail miserably on others.
All in all, the KDE's are the George Bush's, wheras the Gnomes are the Alfred Hoffmans.
--
That said, it's just a joke, both are truly kickass, but, IMHO, I prefer Gnome (although recently moving to Fluxbox)....
And printing and support for digital cameras and most popular mp3 players. A lot of people complain about the lack of any decent games, but stupid college geeks aren't really Linux's target market, so that's not a big deal.
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It's pretty sad when your best and brightest are put to shame by a bored college student's one-off class project to re-do Windows' shell to make it more customizable, isn't it?
Easy does it!
This comment has been submitted already, 276865 hours , 59 minutes ago. No need to try again.
What exactly do I need to do to upgrade from Gnome 1.4 (the base install from RedHat 7.3) to Gnome 2.0?
Thanks
Incause some people out there are running the "experimental" metacity WM, here is configuration tool I wrote that is much nicer to use than the command line.
s /
http://plastercast.tzo.com/~plastercast/Project
" I think we will see a large influx of users coming over from Microsoft"
For this? I can see the headlines now (front page of course):
LINUX FIXES MINOR BUG - WORLD REJOICES
Come on now, get a grip.
Seems like Gnome's gone the opposite of KDE lately. KDE's interface is much more tweakable than that of Gnome2. The "simpler" user interface should be an option for those who need it, not a requirement for everyone. I'm impressed with what's been acomplished for Gnome2, but for a power user, they are probably going to drive people to KDE because of the greater tweakabilty it has. It's sad.
Just delete this sick shit if possible
enterprise porn. Sure with Linux you can view jpgs and even the occasional animated gif. But Linux's support for high-end AVIs and and quicktime codecs is sadly lacking.
What a great game. The first game I ever played religiously.
I've been kinda following the Gnome2 prereleases, and it's nice. Glad to hear about the save dialog bugfix.
But some others:
1) The old volume control applet was way nicer than the current one, any possibility of it coming back?
2) I know the Gnome2 applet API is not backwards compatible to the old one. How hard would it be to port a Gnome1 applet to a Gnome2 applet, and when will some docs appear? (Specifically looking into porting the Gaim applet, and some others I can't use anymore)
I think that's it for now...
besides that, good f*g job!
This looks awsome! It won't work with my TNT2 card, though :(
till gnome2 gets into debian unstable...
No no no no. This story must be false. Gnome is clearly a Linux app and you all know full well that MSNBC has declaired Linux dead! So halt all development on Linux projects and start write'n Windows apps Microsoft can steal and sell as their new product.
Hehehee...
Ummm. That is like saying this picture somone took of a computer looks better than your real computer. YOur computer is a cheap ripoff of this picture. Come on. Gnome 2 is much more than just pretty art. It is a whole development enviornment. BTW isn't LiteStep just a cheap ripoff of the NextStep or GNUStep UI?
Now, just reboot to Linux, and type emerge rsync, and then emerge gnome. No more unmasking packages in package.mask for me. I love Gentoo Linux. I'm using Gnome2RC2 right now, I hope metacity isn't the default window manager anymore. I like sawfish much better. I hope they fixed the bug I submitted about sawfish configurator crashing when you change the default frame style, if they didn't I warn you, don't change it to microGUI.
seeya guys.
Time to download and compile Gnome2, and play some Neverwinter Nights, as my Gnome Monk.
If you're playing NWN online, look out for Cooldy.
http://www.se.gnome.org/conspiracy/
Opinions expressed above are mine, and not my employees'.
You have to be joking, it isn't working with TNT2. Myself and may others out there have TNT2 cards - what exactly doesn't work?
I watch the thrashing that goes on on kde-artist everytime somebody makes an icon that looks similar to OSX (normally) or Windows.
The "home" icon in Gnome takes liberties on OSX, as does the terminal, and the process viewer. Hell, one of the screenshots features a straight rip-off of the OSX "Internet" globe.
I'm a little puzzled.
MJC
Answer all 5 questions
1) Are you?
a) gay
b) not gay
2) Do you like?
a) 833/\1/\6 37337
b) Ease of use
3) What do you want
a) unstable shit
b) stable and reliable
4) Your eyes like
a) Ugly Motif like interface
b) Sexy desktop
5) What would you like to do
a) Configure your desktop all day
b) Get work done
Results
mostly a's?
Gnome is for you
mostly b's?
KDE is for you!
Disclaimer, its only a fun test, please seek professional advice from doctors to find out the right desktop for your needs!
Anyways, if someone can point me to a list of everything I need to update my gnome 1.4 to the new 2.0 I would be very grateful.
Best Regards,
Rossalina
--Rosie
Gnome2 and KDE3 ass anytime. I know all you trolls will be on Apple's nutt sack next month when Steve shows off Jaguar.
I have GCC 3.1 installed on all my Linux boxes. Does Gnome 2 compiles with it out of the box? I need to know before I download all these MBs...
Everybody knows that software is like bread and Gnome 2.0 is BRAND new. So it's much fresher than KDE3.0.
KDE3.0 has been out for months - surely it is getting stale by now!
The screenshots off of the main gnome.org page, under "See GNOME in Action!", are from December 1999. Yow. Talk about making yourself look bad. I think it's time to update that section guys. Help yourselves out. GNOME 1.x looked like a toy.
AC, thank you for the most entertaining link I've followed in the last week.
Perhaps I'm just missing some things, but I can't find:
1) The window manager switcher (I don't want Sawfish)
2) A lot of the cool panel applets from 1.4 (clock)
3) A way to save a session and have it remember window positions (it'll start programs that were "saved", but they all default to the middle of the desktop)
Can anyone fill me in? Thanks.
--- witty signature
Hi,
Oh! I'm sorry you had such a bad experience: that definitely isn't the intention of all the hard work the developers have put in.
I do hope you'll take a few moments to post any specific feature requests or bugs you find to the GNOME bugzilla. It's location is at bugzilla.gnome.org and if you haven't reported bugs before there's a useful document here:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/bug-HOWTO.html
Hope you'll persevere with GNOME and help the community improve it!
Steve
I may be a conspiracy theorist but I now know why M$NBC released this story today of all times. Are they (Micro$oft) trying to steal some thunder from Linux?
if common sense was common, wouldn't everyone have it?
The guy who's porting SC2 to linux is my buddy chris nelson. I feel especially cool because i'm the one who installed debian unstable on his laptop (toshiba something or other -- stupid not-quite-eepro100 NICs...) and got him into SDL (that took A LOT of pushing)
:)
he was already a brilliant OpenGL programmer (luminescent is his handle on sf.net... he has some cool stuff there) but only delt with windows.
so.. if you like SC2 for linux... thank him, but thank me for getting him into linux too
(oh. to his credit.. he only started using linux and SDL a year ago... and loved enlightenment so much that he's stuck to it.. hehe)
What comes first, finding a teacher or becoming a student?
... I love how they ALWAYS release a new version when you just began compiling the older release.
What the fsck should I do to upgrade from gnome-2.0-rc1 to gnome-2.0 ?
Heres a wild thought.... When major releases like this come out, why don't we use the wonderful OpenFastTrack P2P service? giFT is the really easy to get working, and is super reliable right now. Check it out.
http://gift.sourceforge.net/
Make sure you get the curses front-end (giFTcurs).
Just zip up the tarballs, or RPM's and throw them on the network?
any word on what's planned for Gnome 3 yet? Gnome 2 looks like i'll provide many of the things lacking in Gnome that everyone's been screaming for. But i'm far more interested to see what the Gnome team has in mind now that it's done cleaning up Gnome and are now ready to write Gnome 3. Both Gnome and KDE provides much needed components to the linux desktop but none of the work has really been innovative. The KDE people never aimed to go beyond the current idea of a user desktop, but the Gnome people looks like they're far more motivated to work on something more interesting. Miguel de Icaza seems to be someone who's more interested in pushing the envelope of the desktop.
Should The President Be Charged With Negligent Homicide?"
It's about time someone asked this question.
Thank you and have a nice day.
Themes are take-it-or-leave-it choices.
Let's say I want thinner title bars.
I pick a theme that has that, but wait!
The new theme has an italic font, makes
everything bright orange and purple, and
has click-to-focus mouse behavior. If I
like all that, fine. If not, try again.
So I try 100 different themes. Every one
of them has at least one thing wrong.
Am I supposed to create my own theme?
I shouldn't have to hack LISP and XML
just to change an integer value like the
thickness of the title bar.
Good UI design starts with something we
all know, and provides independent
settings for all the things people tend
to argue about. So it starts off being
like Win95, and the user can change that
to a Motif look without the mouse behavior
changing too... or the other way, changing
the mouse behavior and leaving the look
unchanged.
Good UI design scales with screen size and
resolution. Vectors win, and pixmaps lose.
Themes are usually tied to the screen size,
using pixmaps for buttons and such. Going
from 480x200 to 1920x1280 requires changing
the theme. Never mind if you like the way a
theme looks; you need to switch themes as
you change displays.
Hi dave-fu,
I've used LiteStep all the way back when I was forced to use Win98 in work - wasn't it a brilliant way to get some of the best things from Linux under a Windows setup.
GNOME is much more than just the screenshots, though as I think you'll see from some of them it sure can look great!
If you're able to have a go at running it, I think you'll be pleasently surprised. And if you're not you can contribute your bug reports so that the developers can make it better - if you have any praise to give out that will be equally happily accepted!
Good luck,
Steve
Just figured out every last thing I could about RC2 and now this. Thank you to everyone who made this possible!
And off I go to "emerge gnome" (thanks gentoo)....
:-)
Eddy.WriteLinux.Com
When I follow the directions as shown on this page, X coredumps. The site only mentions GeForce 2 cards and up, so I'm not sure that my older TNT2 card is supported.
Ive have been a user of KDE 2.2/3.0 for a while now and when i tried gnome 1.4 it was absolute crap.
Will gnome 2.0 be better than 1.4 and is it any better than KDE now?
Give him (Score:5, Troll) for that. :-)
Congrats, moderators, on upvoting an anonymous coward! This takes us one step closer to eliminating the scourge of karma whores!
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I kept reading about features for developers in their press release. While they mention added accessibility features, there is little said for improving the "user experience" to quote a competing GUI description. What is there that makes this easy enough for the proverbial grandmother to use?
It's not a rhetorical question. I hear complaints often from acquaintances and co-workers about problems with Windows (95 through XP home). Some of them I recommend Linux, some I hesitate to recommend Linux yet _because_ of user interface issues (I can unhesitatingly recommend it for office environments with the release of Star/Open Office). It was disappointing to see so little in the press release addressing non-technical users.
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Does this mean gnome-panel won't crash on half the machines it's installed on any more?
I'm just about ready to leave Redhat over this one. If only KDE weren't such a memory hawg.
This looks a lot better than KDE3. Lets just wait for the themes to start rolling in... ahhhh eye candy!
Imagine a beowulf cluster of duke nukem forever next to be released jokes.
Lack of evidence? Did it make bail?
..another 10 hours of gargnomeing. I must say I really like Gnome2 even if there is still some more work to do. But 2.1 (or was it 2.2) will fix most pending issues, I hope.
Keep the good stuff coming!
Has anyone had a chance to really compare this release of Gnome 2.0 to Ximian Gnome? Has the core Gnome team sought to add the features and functionality that Ximian provided?
Thanks,
Kickstart
grab that amazing script from
http://www.fh-wilhelmshaven.de/~akcaagaa/
it builds you gnome 2.0.0 from tarballs
1) grab that script
2) change PREFIXDIR="" to point to a location you want to install gnome 2.0.0
3) enter 'world' for CVS build or 'world stable' for gnome 2.0.0 released tarball build.
4) grab popcorn, coke or get out for a fuck no matter what, lay back and enjoy the show.
you dont need to manually download tarballs or something.. all automatically...
Does ximian gnome support the AA fonts yet? Any one know?
Tomorrow (Jun/27) Miguel de Icaza itself will present Gnome 2.0 in a event promoted by the "Free Software Project", a local state-sponsored initiative in Free Software, here in the south of Brazil (Porto Alegre, Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil)
For those near by, here are some pointers:
Roadshow calendar:G NOMEenelSur.html
http://www.gnome.org/resources/calendar/roadshow/
The local announcement and invitation:= mais_noticias2&cod=1024761626&tab=1
http://www.softwarelivre.rs.gov.br/index.php?menu
(Portuguese only!)
Way to go guys!
What would be even better is a miniature nautilus window for the open / save dialog. I mean, you already have nautilus, why reinvent the wheel with a different open/save dialog box? Using Nautilus would add consistency and functionality. Taking this a step further, "panels" could be used as application toolbars, such that the user can add or remove "applets" (which would be funcitons in the program) to his toolbars to customize them however he likes. Again this would be reusing components. I have submitted these suggestions to both gnome and kde but both did not like them :(
Got friends?
You DO worry about your karma, you little punk ass bitch. You want to impress your little gay douchebag friends with your negative karma. You want to have the lowest karma out of all your little douchebag faggot friends. So really, you are just another karma whore, only with an antisocial personality disorder. Therefore, you are not truly trolling, merely karma whoring to a different, insane audience. Therefore, your first posts are invalid, karma whore. SUCK IT BITCH!
-i can detect karma whores on sight. they have user names.
Sorry mods, the guy is RIGHT!
Star Control 2 ports are FAR more important than Gnome 2.0. Star Control was changing lives before Gnome had even been heard of. This is the news of the century!
I want to run enlightenment under KDE, but I don't know how. Under the log in I have the option to use either the default KDE manager OR enlightenment. How do I use both? Please be specific... It's easy to switch under Gnome, but I haven't figured it out for KDE 3.
I read the opening of that article, and it looked like someone bashing linux on MSNBC. Scroll down though, and there is a balanced, cautiously upbeat assessment of Linux's strengths and prospects. It looks like the headline writer just wrote something random and trollish, but underneath is a pretty interesting article.
Look here.
Kick ass, AC brutha!
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I must object. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I found gnome 2 much harder to configure. The worst is the endless windows registry type settings in GConf (even with the GConf editor.) I tend to want to change things per application, and finding the specific option is nearly impossible under this scheme.
Additionally, I really dislike what has happened with gnome 2 in configurability. Making intelligent defaults is all fine and good, but when you can't get it how you want, frustration ensues. The reason I never used KDE was precisely this lack of configurability. I have heard this same comment from many people and I predict that an outcry of configurability problems will happen.
As an example, there are no virtual desktops in gnome 2, and neither metacity nor sawfish 2 add them. I realize there are only subtle differences, but there are many people who use those differences. Additionally, at least for now, sawfish doesn't even have the infrastructure to bind keys to switching to workspaces in a 2d sense (I can move left or right, but not up or down) Another example is that in metacity, clicking anywhere on a window raises it. This is terrible for me. One of the biggest reasons I use sloppy focus is so that I can have overlapping windows and cut and paste from the window underneath. This is especially useful with overlapping terminals that tend to be smaller and thus just disappear when the larger window raises. According to Havoc, most of these options (unless he uses them) are just "crack-rock." So don't use metacity right? Well, unfortuanately there isn't anything else that fits the bill right now, perhaps sawfish will get back to its usual self -- dunno. And to those who say, "make your own then, that is what open source is all about," I query, "Are you the same folks who wonder why we can't quit duplicating effort?"
My vote still lies in configurability, and my hope is I don't have to turn to enlightenment to get it.
Guess what? I got a fever! And the only prescription.. is more cowbell!
I'm not even sure what the heck that picture is depicting!
From the antialiasing in those screenshots, doesn't it look like the fonts could use some adjusting? Some lines look thinner than others. Doesn't look like a problem from the antialiasing code, but rather from the font data itself.
I hope they gave more attention to product stability than to new features. My only difficulty with gnome is that it has tons of irritating bugs and regularly causes X crashes.
Oddly, my linux/gnome box is dramatically less reliable than my Win2000 box. Win2000 is a vast improvement over previous MS operating systems. The linux _kernel_ may be far more reliable, but the desktop certainly is not. It's embarrassing to suck more than Microsoft.
I sometimes get the feeling that the gnome crowd pays too much attention to screenshots, eye candy, themes, and pointless customizability. The vast majority of people want a desktop that just works, ALWAYS. Perhaps gnome 2 will be an improvement, beacause 1.x fell somewhat short of that goal.
With that in mind, I _do_ believe that linux will succeed on the desktop, but not for a couple of years. Microsoft's egregious pricing model will eventually benefit linux on the desktop.
Is this the end of my WindowMaker addiction ? We'll see...
hi..im very new to all of this, can someone please tell me how to install GNOME 2.0? I am familiar with RPM's but that is about it..Thanks
-Evan
And off I go to "emerge gnome" (thanks gentoo)....
Are you using a different server than I am? I don't see gnome2 packages for gentoo yet. Well, not final release ones anyways.
definately b) for me.
yep right, i share this. lukely all good distributions are moving to kde as their default.
I thought Ximian and GNOME were together? I was hoping to upgrade my GNOME v1.4 from Ximian. Is it safe to use GNOME's or do I need to wait for Ximian's GNOME? I am confused.
Thank you in advance.
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
konqueror uses an html renderer written from scratch. galeon is just a wrapper for mozilla's renderer, with a few features of its own.
if interested in a GNOME browser written from scratch, check out Encompass. you can find it from http://elysium.zoned.net/encompass
kde's user interface is usually a little easier to fine-tune, also
Why have this, and the related comment, been marked as troll? If anything, I guess you *could* have called it flame bait. The whole point I was trying to make is that you can validly argue it both ways.
From "The Gnomes of Zurich" on Muh!
"...The gnomes of Zurich
Make a lot of money
...The gnomes of Zurich
Make a lot of Gold..."
Do you remember what it was like when you first used Linux to find a wonderful plethora of choice? All those applications, both free beer and with freedom! The Desktop area in Linux shows the strength of that ideal - including all sorts of different desires so that everyone can use a system that works for them be it KDE, GNOME or something else.
But whatever you use please don't look down on the efforts of others. Even if you think their work is rubbish you don't have to use it. While they may not be doing something you are interested in you should appreciate their efforts.
Happy GNOMEing
Can someone please tell me what this iTunes-looking app is in this screenshot?
Thanks a bunch!
Wow. Gnome 2 looks just as crappy as Gnome 1.4 -- does the taskbar still permanently crash still? Oh and look, they are trying to make it look like Apple now! Some of the screenshots on gnome.org even defiantly show Apple icons on the Gnome 2 Desktop.
I guess you should use Gnome if you don't mind the panel crashing and if you can't afford a real Apple and don't mind breaking copyright laws.
Great. What's next for Gnome? Magnifying Translucent Dock? How about an apple in the logo?
Oh and I can surf the web in the newest version of a text only command line browser! Whooopeee! Can I tell you the joys of gophering yahoo?
Flurken rip off artists....
To change to sawfish from metacity, open up a terminal window(for example xterm) and then type the following, killall metacity; sleep 1; sawfish & :)
If you like sawfish, simply save your session.
I hope this info helped you switch to sawfish.
Happying computing,
That is exactly what it is...an Explorer window. So is the desktop, and the tray, and...I'm sure other things as well.
Lump lingered last in line for brains, and the ones she got were sorta rotten and insane.
If I'm using the Red Hat Update service where I get notifications and use up2date, do they notify for this kind of release? IOW, should I be expecting an email from RH Real Soon Now(tm)?
"How many light bulbs does it take to change a person?" --BMcC-->
hehe... noticed that as well... nothing to emerge as of yet. I'm sure Spider is hard at work with the ebuilds... soon I'm sure.
Eddy.WriteLinux.Com
Star Control 2 for: Linux, OSX, and Windows
Why isn't this a full Slashdot news article?
Isn't that part of VFS? Are any other Gnome2 apps doing this yet?
Lump lingered last in line for brains, and the ones she got were sorta rotten and insane.
Quick, someone call Webster.
Lump lingered last in line for brains, and the ones she got were sorta rotten and insane.
I just read the document you referred to, and I do agree with most of it in most cases. There are a few cases where I would disagree, however.
First of all, while I agree that too many preferences can be a usability problem for new or less technically savvy users (e.g., the "too many clocks" problem), you won't get around the fact that a lot of more advanced users want tweakability. In fact, in my own experience, the more I use a particular application, the more I find I want to tweak things here and there. As a result, I disagree with Havoc that the layered preferences approach (beginner, intermediate, advanced) used in Nautilus 1.x is a bad thing. If done properly, and applied on a global scale (all of GNOME, for example), I think this can be a good solution to the problem. The added preferences still add complexity, however, so it clearly doesn't solve all of the problems with preferences.
Secondly, while preference overkill is a problem for many applications, user desktop environments are probably one of the types of applications where users want the most tweakability. This occurrs for two reasonts: 1) Many more (I dare say nearly all) users use some kind of desktop environment (even if it's TWM), whereas only a subset of users use any given productivity application. This means there are many more peoples' tastes and needs to deal with. 2) People use their desktops day-in-and-day-out, and as I mentioned before, the more someone uses a program, the more they are likely to find things they want to tweak.
This doesn't mean that the defaults shouldn't be chosen intellegently - they should - and it doesn't mean that every preference in the universe should be included "just because", but I think that there will always be some applications (e.g., desktop environments) where there will inherently be more demand for preferences, and if you remove too many of them, a large number of people will feel they can't get the behavior they want.
Just to repeat the whail of the common Redhat user at major KDE releases:
:-)
Where are the binary packages for SuSE?
There are none, are there? (Checked three mirrors.)
Also quite interesting that apart from a little claimed speed improvement nothing seems better than in your other leading desktop environment...
Anyways, congratulations Gnome team! May the best team win (and may all cooperate!).
Moritz
GnomeMeeting is already ported to Gnome 2. GnomeMeeting is my favourite Gnome application, it is also the first real videoconferencing tool available for Gnome!/ latest/Gno me_Desktop.png
Check screenshots here: http://www.gnomemeeting.org/screenshots.php
Here is a nice screenshot of a Gnome desktop:
http://www.gnomemeeting.org/screenshots
I've been using Red Hat for quite a while now, and while they did do notices for the 2.4 kernel when it was first released (for example), I doubt they'll do it for GNOME 2.0; it's too new, too (possibly) buggy, and not enough apps have been ported for them to include it "mainstream" for a while. At best, I'd say they'll include it in a beta later this year/early 2003, when the bugs are mostly ironed out and lots of apps (like Galeon, AbiWord, Gnumeric, etc.) have been ported. If you're into that sort of stuff, start watching Red Hat's beta FTP (I think it's Rawhide, not sure).
But in the particular case of open/save dialogs, I'd like to get rid of them altogether with XDS (Direct Save)
The application's UI includes a draggable icon representing the document. You drag it to an open file manager window and the file gets saved where you drop the icon.
This is especially nice if the file manager works like the MacOS Finder, where you can hover over a folder icon while dragging something to open that folder (pressing space opens it before the timeout).
I read about this being a general way to save files on Acorn Archimedes machines before x86's even had a GUI, so the idea isn't new.
Fuck the system? Nah, you might catch something.
this is funny, I come from a mostly all mac classic background after a couple of years of DOS-heckfire. I MUCH prefer gnome over KDE, couldn't really put my finger on it, but KDE seemed too "kiddie" for me, gnome seemed more "adult" and smooth.
This is REALLY just personal preferences and subjection, I have no comment on which is "better". I find gnome to actually work as advertised, abnd KDE to be more inclined towards "eyecandy" -look.
Just unmask the bloody thing in /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask.
All the file versions are identical or more recent to those of gnome-2.0 final, and all that spider will do whenever he wakes up is unmask the packages altogether... Provided that 2.0 final is deemed "good enough" for gentoo, something that I didn't really see when I tried it.
There is no Scandinavian conspiracy.
http://www.no.gnome.org/conspiracy/
Checket out, it makes installing/testing Gnome 2.0 very easy and will not affect your Gnome 1.4 installation (it installs to ~/garnome/)
Berto
Just thought that needed saying.
This wasn't just plain terrible, this was fancy terrible. This was terrible with raisins in it. - Dorothy Parker
Just for once, can we have a KDE article or a GNOME article where instead of bashing the other Linux desktop UI, we bash the Windows UI instead? The common enemy?
May we never see th
Unix operating systems will start sending all the error messages from yoru disk to
Sure, you can add some third party app to your non-KDE desktop yourself if you know you need to, but secure defaults (security == protecting data) are why I use Unix.
Luis:
... maybe a clickable timeline? :)
I hope you don't toss the old screenshots completely -- if you can, I hope you find a directory ("Of Historical Interest"?) where old shots can be displayed.
They're interesting by themselves, and even more so in context
Cheers,
timothy
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
Sorry, but the web site wasn't very helpful.
I have vague memories of Star Control based on some of the shots they have on the website, but really can't remember.
I'm also too lazy at the moment to look it up on Google.
So--Star Control 2 fans: please explain.
Is it true that there are no virtual desktops in Gnome 2? (Anybody?) I ask because that is quite an important feature to me (and I'm lazy :-P), and if true, I'm going to think again about upgrading.
"What is this talk of 'release'? Klingons do not make software 'releases'. Our software 'escapes' leaving a bloody trail of designers and quality assurance people in its wake."
See the subject line for more information...
I think this is going to be helpful to some of you.
:)
It's a little bit offtopic but will help a lot.
NVidia's X drivers have 2D problems with XFree 86 4.x and the Linux Kernel 2.4.7. They can hard crash your computer while you are doing normal 2D tasks (eg: browsing the net) and make you do a reboot to get it back.
It happens that the problematic kernel is included in one of the most popular distributions: RedHat 7.2.
Just go to www.kernel.org and donwload/compile/install a new kernel (eg: 2.4.18). This will stop hard crashes of your Linux box and some other random Nautilus/Evolution/Galeon/Abiword/etc. crashes as well.
Please do not blame Gnome 1.4 for X crashes, the desktop is stable and very useable, only Nautilus is slow as a desert tortoise, but the eye candy is worth the wait (sometimes).
27.06.2002 15:21 CET:
No binaries on ftp.suse.com:/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/GNOME2
Moritz
I've spent the best part of today building GNOME 2 on Solaris.
I've got a fast machine, so compile time wasn't much of an issue, but there are just so many packages, and finding the dependencies is a fun piece of detective work in itself.
KDE has *big* packages that take forever to build, but you can at least kick them off and leave them to it. The GNOME build is much more involved, not least because, on Sol at least, many of the packages need some gentle persuasion before they'll work. Generally it's just popping -lintl or somesuch into the LD_ADD Makefile line, though a couple of others were more involved.
But is it worth it? So far I'd have to say no. GNOME 2 looks just like GNOME 1, but I liked the way GNOME 1 looked. It seems neither quicker nor slower, and though it's maybe marginally snappier than KDE it's hard to call.
But those crashes! I can't open a Nautilus window without a segfault.It's currently stuck in a loop where it keeps trying to open my $HOME and segfaults every time, then tries to carry on where it left off ad infinutum.
A couple of the control centre applets have crashed on me. A cursory look around GNOME db bombed on most operations.
That's only two or three apps though. What about all the other goodies? Well, for something which professes to be a desktop environment, isn't GNOME 2 awfully sparse? It has the Gimp, it has Gnumeric, it has, err, an xterm. KDE throws in, among many, many other tools. mail, news, and a browser. I know I could get Evolution, Pan and Galeon (if I could get Galeon to build on Solaris, which I can't) but have these been ported to GTK 2 yet? If they have then it's not been well publicised.
Other initial gripes are that the window list applet doesn't work, the control centre seems to have vanished, I haven't yet successfully imported *anything* into Gnumeric, and crashes, crashes, crashes!
I really didn't want to be negative, but as yet I can draw so few positives from GNOME 2. Maybe it's just teething troubles with the Solaris port, but given Sun's supposed involvement that's hardly an excuse.
Maybe I'm missing something, and I understand that the internal architecture has been substantially improved, a change which will pay off big in the future, but from the outside GNOME 2 really looks like a step backwards. I'm hugely disappointed.
Sorry.
Myself and may others out there have TNT2 cards - what exactly doesn't work?
The rendering doesn't sync properly on TNT2s.
The theory of relativity doesn't work right in Arkansas.