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Are You A Friend of Gnome?
From the donation page: "Love GNOME? Want to give back to the community of mostly volunteer developers who have worked so hard to make GNOME
the powerful, flexible, friendly, fun desktop that it is?" There are a number of contribution levels a person can join at, so if you love Gnome, consider helping the foundation out.
I am a beginner coder at best -- this is great. I am happy to donate!
But even more I love GTK :-)
Lighter, faster and simpler
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Yep, there's nothing better than good hard GNOME. But then there's KDE as well... it's like having a threesome but it's actually not in my dreams.
I prefer hobbits.
I just put Gnome 2 into my system, looks really great, I've been hearing great things about the changes to the API, its much faster tho I havent gotten my Aqua skins to work with it yet :(
What gives?
Too bad GNOME isn't written in C++. I guess from a coding standpoint, that's why I prefer KDE. GTK just feels like so much effort was put into things that C++ gives you for free.
Gnome has never caught up to KDE and never will. And I don't intend to duplicate my efforts, so all my programs are written for KDE.
But I hate too see some other good OSS project/firm going into financial problems.
plex86, slackware, (partly) loki, eazel, and many others. You will not be forgotten...
Gnome has of course made HUGE strides over the last couple of years. (and hardware has came along enough so it doesn't run like NT 4 on a pentium 90) I have played with every major release that comes out and am very impressed with their work. I think this is a great way for others to give back to the project. Not everyone is a cabable developer.
;) I don't need UI junk)
(But personally I am still a BlackBox man....
... I get a mousepad, coffee mug, t-shirt, and a golf shirt. Let's see, on the open market, I could buy these for a total of maybe $40 and then add the $25 max contrib for "Friend" status and total $65.
'free' software is getting awfully expensive lately.
MARIJUANA, SHROOMS, X: ONLINE?! - E
Yeah, that's an objective point of view...
Yes, I like gnome a lot. I might even donate money, but the problem with this link is they they don't offer any specific details about what happens with this money? Does it go to administration? How so? To major coders? which? Who qualifies? Bandwidth? Why does the Gnome Foundation do that requires our financial support?
To make matters worse, contributions seem to be handled via Ximian. I have no problem with Ximian forming as a company, or their desire to make money. Still, I'm not entirely confortable with a donation to a company. So, is Ximian providing accounting/banking services here, or are they going to directly benefit from this contribution?
I'm sure there are good answers to all of these questions, but they're not present on the donation page, and they should be.
How well donations go. I'm still on the edge as to whether to go open my source and ask for donations or go with a closed source shareware model. It'd be nice to see if people could actually make a living writing open source software but I know that's not even the point here.
Perl, Gnome...what's next?
How long before these "donations" become mandatory?
he taught me, that when you compile, you pay for it...
Well, two things. Being the one I am for not reading the article :), exactly where is this all going? Into Miguel de Icaza's pockets? RMS's? Whose? And two, if you're looking for a good place to donate, donate to UserFriendly. There, we know where it's going. Great comic strip. A little cash-strapped though.
--j
..tell ya what I WOULD do and I bet thousands of other people would do. If any of the major distros-or a brand new one-would voluntarily set aside a certain percentage of the proceeds from their CD releases to give to those developers who's apps are in the release-I would purchase the full install CD's from them. If it's redhat or mandrake or whomever-so be it. I like the idea of "free", but am not so cheap or naieve to think it really is. As a non coder all I can do is bug reports and cash. As a user I just honestly don't see me sending a thousand or several hundred small donations-just the dang postage would be a bear. I'm relatively po, ie, "real low end of the economic food chain", but I can pop another ten bucks for a cd set if the coders who's work went into the whole package got their share. Make it so it starts at ten, and then you can voluntarily give more, with all the extra going to the coders.
Well, good idea or what?- a co-op linux distro that actually supports all the coders with some beer and rent money, not just the release company for the packaged distro.
If I was going to do that, I might ought to go one step further and give my money to Microsoft.
;)
Might as well help keep the people who develop the original stuff in business, neh? What would KDE rip off if Microsoft fell?
And it may happen! I'm sure they use 'creative accounting' too! Donate today!
GNOME isn't a window manager. Neither is KDE for that matter (although KDE has it's own window manager I think (kwm ?) but GNOME does not).
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ok .. i love gnome .. its a great piece of work. but i have to ask where is the corporate support. Sun is going to be using gnome .. so is HP i believe .. why dont they dig in to their pockets just a little. .. sorry just complaining a little. and yes i will probly donate soon .. now if only linuxcentral would put thier donations for debian back on thier website
Excuse me, but how the f*ck was the parent modded up as funny? I bet any post about Americans blowing up civilians across Europe and being the planet's worst polluter and being the only country to use nuclear weapons on human beings etc wouldn't have earned a "Funny" rating... Just as I guess this will be modded down now... Sheesh...
Code, Hardware, stuff like that.
CmdrTaco said during an interview: "Well, slashdot kept getting slashdotted, so we decided to post useless crap that no one would want to look at it, and could find elsewhere if they did want to look at it. Yes, that's it."
Some rumors from the slashdot team have indicated that perhaps the person that started this new trend, "chrisd", was really under the influence of heroin, and his /friends were covering for him. This same source said the new trend could be over as soon as the next post. More news as it comes in.
yea, i'm a friends of the under pants gnomes. but they take my under ware all the time, kinda sucks if you ask me.
Hitler was born in Austria, not in Germany.
What about the enemies of GNOME? We, the members of COBOLD, oppose project GNOME, their GUI, and all that they stand for! We will not rest until every member of the GNOME development team of lies in a shallow grave. Our leader, COBOL-commander, will overthrow the present order by military force, and restore the glorious days of punchcards and Cobol! Co-bolllll!
As for the "friends" of GNOME - we suggest you cower in terror lest you share the developers fate!
Incidentally, the classic "Kobold" was a spirit of the home or hearth - Kobe holt = hut goblin. The dog-headed lizardmen from D&D are, as many D&D things are, an artifact of somebody's supplementary artwork, and have no "basis" in mythology (although the guy who did the drawings for the Monster Manual is as qualified to make up mythology as anybody; it was all made up at some point.)
Etymology of Gnome.
Etymology of Kobold. Search the page for "cobalt".
The good and new comes from no quarter where it is looked for, and is always something different from what is expected.
Well... you could say I'm convservative, but I'd prefer having sex with a normal girl. With she-males, you must use their ass since they don't have their middle-hole ready yet.. and besides.. probably they stink like a male and have to shave..
Why do you promote it so much? Are you an advocate from the Society For She-males Naturalization?
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I've played with all the major desktops in my couple of years with Linux. Gnome is pretty slick, with a lot of "neat" factor, yet manages to avoid being a Windows GUI clone. So I'll probably support it. It's just too bad they only accept online donations via the evil that is PayPal. *shudder*
on.
"Yeah, that's an objective point of view..."
That reminds me of this guy that went onto IRC preaching about how people should be using Macs instead of PC's. He actually said this:
"Don't believe that biased crap you hear in PC Magazine, if you want the unbiased truth go to MacAddict.com!"
Heh.
Miguel de Icaza seems to love .NET like its the best thing since sliced bread.
Call me a troll, but this seriously makes it hard for me to love the Gnove foundation.
And IMHO KDE is just a better all around desktop these days.
When it comes to stability GNOME has KDE beat every which way. The main reason I switched from KDE to GNOME was because every time that Mozilla would crash, it also crashed ("krashed"?) KDE with it. Now I'm using GNOME and Mozilla is much more stable. On the rare occasions when Moz does crash, GNOME stays up, nary missing a beat. I have never had an application crash GNOME, something which I can't say about KDE.
you are no better then everyone who has every complained in the history of man kind when they failed to implement a piece of technology properly.
you know all those newbies that you have likely flamed because they said "linux sucks, it does not work"???
you knew damn well that linux does not suck, and you knew why those ranting newbies were having problems right? It was their own failure they were experiencing.
well let me return the favor.
YOU ARE THE ONE WHO MAKES KDE SEGFAULT
YOU ARE THE ONE WHO CAN'T CONFIGURE X or whatever you have broken that displays your problematic pixmaps!!!!!!!!
if you can't get KDE to work properly....
IT'S YOUR OWN DAMN FAULT!!!!
Checks are payable to the GNOME Foundation. The GNOME foundation is not Ximian.
Anyone who had the slightest interest in finding out what the GNOME foundation is could easily find out. Anyone just interested in trolling would simply jump to ludicrous conclusions and post them on Slashdot...
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I personally like icewm to get the work done, AntiAliasing is in being beta tested, but thats the last thing to be complete.
There is alot of fluff in a WM in KDE and Gnome I dont use. I personally like Gnomes look and feel, but KDE has AA working out of the box, and has a easier configuration for user setup.
The things that I use alot
* alt-tab (sorry, i have way too many apps loaded, and need to switch quickly)
* taskbar (I even has a taskbar on my amiga before windows)
* window placement alignment (nice feature, snap alignment in windows)
* Cut and paste (icewm supports windows keys)
Really, the only thing left I want/need in icewm is AA fonts working correctly.
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> KDE was cooked up in the same country that started both World Wars...
I prefer Gnome, and I have this to say:
You're an idiot. Get off my side.
Even if Gnome was half as decent as KDE, I still wouldn't pay because it's FREE! Thank goodness for open source! whoopie!!!! I will say thank you to all the coders who contributed. I am certian that all your hard work will not go to waste - (a programmer has got to make a living somehow).
Gnome on Solaris is the thing that I can't wait for it to be bundled with... (I know it can be done today, but I cannot hork the box just yet -- and I always do). Nothing makes me jump back to command line habbits like the default Solaris windows manager. Shudder.... Gnome is the sister you really were trying to go out with.
It is soooo close. Wish version 9 shipped with it as an install option.
+++ UGUCAUCGUAUUUCU
Why advertisements to gnome donations but not KDE, not Enlightenment, no, no posts on that?
Why support Gnome? Gnome has enough support from Sun and IBM, support KDE, they dont have big companies helping them out like Ximian, IBM, Sun etc.
If you use Linux, please help development of Autopac
are always begging for money.
Jews smell like jewish people.
I rebut your comments thusly:
My cat's breath smells like cat food
Tried GNOME, tried KDE, don't use either, but keep them around for some applications, though GNOME annoys by taking over MY desktop when I click any Help buttons. Both make my machine perform like last-generation compared to a raw window manager, even icewm with dfm and icedock extras.
Isn't GNOME supposed to be "Windows done right?"
Well, what if Windows is just plain so broken that it can't be done right?
I think Apple had the right idea, and now "Mac done right" is here.
Maybe Windows is the dominant platform, and we have to accomodate that to attract new users. But that should be "stupid, backward mode," not what we aspire to.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
They dont need any more money, they have more money than KDE, they had Eazels 15 million, they have Ximnian giving them money, They have Sun and IBM helping them.
I'll Donate to Enlightenment before I'd donate to Gnome, Gnome is as good as its going to get, its been years, the interface to Gnome hasnt improved at all except for Nautilus (what a waste of 15 million dollars when its not even better than KDE)
Gnome needs to innovate before I give them money.
Lets support Enlgihtenment.
If you use Linux, please help development of Autopac
It is "insightful"
/. story about supporting "gnome" and not "opensource" in general?
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It is KDE 3.
GNOME appears to be dying.
I laugh at you gnome using people. I snigger.
KKKKKK DDDDD EEEEEE 3333333
All the way.
This message brought to you by the letters K,D,E and the number 3.
The thing about Jews which is interesting is that they are like a super-organism, i.e. a column of army ants or a flight of killer bees. Individually any given Jew is probably obnoxious, but perhaps not as sinister as one would be led to believe given their group behavior. This is like a killer bee, or termite, or army ant. An isolated individual insect of these species may be annoying but harmless. Yet as a group these insects, like the Jews, constitute a real threat.
The best defense is a good offense. It is no wonder that Hitler saw fit to exterminate the Jew. I'm sure Hitler bore no animosity against any single individual Jew, but he realized that like a hive of dangerous insects, Jews as a whole should be exterminated.
i TOTALLY agree with this post!!
KDE rules over gnome like I rule over your mom.
is it pronouced "ga-nOme" or "nOme"
and yes, saying its pronouced "Gnome" would be a funny reply.
Mozilla has its own UI libraries, so I don't see how it could, as you suggest, bring down KDE. Plus, you find Mozilla to be more stable under GNOME?
I can only think of one way for both of your observations to be true:
It sounds like it is KDE that is crashing, and bringing down Mozilla (the sub-task).
Honestly, nothing, not even the rampant childishness in the Linux newsgroups, makes open source software look as bad as does this kind of begging for handouts.
Imagine how much easier this makes it for companies like MS to say, "See what a bunch of amateurs they are? And what happens when the donations stop and they all go work on something else? Do you really want to trust your company or private systems to that software?" Yes, it's a lame argument to those in the know, but it carries a lot of weight with people who are just beginning to learn about OSS and Linux.
For the 2^64th time, its freedom that Free Software refers to, not beer, you free-loader. If all you care about is price, go back to your warezed copy of Win2k. BTW I believe Mr Gates will be a bit less forgiving than the Gnome Foundation if he finds out that you skipped out on your oppurtunity to "donate" to Microsoft for the "privilege" of using the "software" they develop.
"I donated $500 and all I got was this lousy t-shirt."
I don't want knowledge. I want certainty. - Law, David Bowie
Gnome rocks! I donate.
I use KDE a lot too, like it, donate there, too.
I donate to Debian, too.
I'm not a developer and it's nice to have a way to support projects like this.
PayPal is great, wish more OSS projects used it. How hard is it to put a 'donate' link on your project page?
I see free software as the ultimate in try-before-you-buy. In years past I've wasted lots of money on commercial software only to find it doesn't do what I need.
I feel compelled to pay for software that I like and use even though it's not for sale.
I suspect there's a lot of users out there who would support their favorite projects if they had an easy option like PayPal to do it.
Please use Icewm.org thanks IceWM is a small, but powerful window manager for the X11 Window System whose main goals are the following: Feeling comfortable to use, being simple and fast, and not getting in the way. Full GNOME compliance, partial KDE compliance. A default configuration fully usable without tweaking. Optional use of mouse. Combining the best features of other window managers and GUIs. Themes that allow the user to customize the look and feel of the desktop. IceWM has been coded from scratch in C++ by Marko Macek and enhanced by Mathias Hasselmann and shares no code with other window managers. IceWM is © by Marko Macek and Mathias Hasselmann and is being developed under the LGPL.
KDE has it's own window manager I think (kwm ?) but GNOME does not
And metacity? Is it not a windowmanager, or not part of gnome?
0 1 - just my two bits
I think someone does need to learn to read more carefully, and it's not me.
I wrote that contributions seem to be handled via Ximian. From the page:
GNOME Foundation
c/o Ximian
401 Park Drive, 3rd West
Boston, MA 02215
And, yes, someone can figure out who the Gnome Foundation is, which tells them absolutely nothing about how they plan to use this money.
Ya know, I just don't see begging being a viable business model. If you're in business, sell me something. Just make sure that the amount of money you make from selling whatever is greater than the amount it takes to run your business. Don't come begging for money. If you're foolish enough to try and make and exist as a business without thinking these things through, you don't deserve to be in business.
I'm not a programmer, so I'm not sure what you are talking about. Mozilla seems more stable under GNOME (or maybe Mozilla is getting more stable). I had a very bad time with Mozilla and KDE. Of course, I'm speaking of earlier releases of both KDE and Moz. Maybe I should give it a try again with the most recent versions.
i just switched to gnome 1.4 from kde 2.2 the other day. kde was great while it lasted, but i soon found gnome with nautilus to be much more my speed.
my only wishes:
the file dialog needs serios improvement. i really miss kde's slick version. i know the gnome 2.0 file dialog is better, but its still stale in comparrison from what i can tell. --hey wouldn't a mini-nautilus do the trick?
also, the print dialog could use some beafing up too. it works fine, but again kde takes the prize here.
fianlly, the ability to add mime/types that open certain apps could use some ease-of-use. its too complicated the way it is, but perhaps this is fixed in 2.0?
other then that i'm pretty damn happy.
i don't do c/c++ but would be happy to donate toward the above mentioned improvements. is there a way to specifically do that?
~transami
:T:R:A:N:S:
But I can't find the place on their site where
I can send in my pocket lint. Darn.
-- filgy
So will our donation get us into GnomeDrake or ManGnome Club? ;)
It is a window manager, but not part of gnome (well, not exclusively). Gnome can use any number of wms. Metacity and Sawfish just happen to be two of the popular ones.
KDE = desktop environment + wigets + kwm
Gnome = de + wigets + your choice here
Donating to Free Software may sound dumb, but it really is a good idea.
...interesting if true.
Larger sums may also be transmitted via bank wire transfer.
For details contact fundraising at gnome org
Well shoot! It looks like I can't wire them the money. I suppose will I can use Pay... Umm... a service from Ebay.
- Life is what keeps you occupied while you are waiting to die
What I am saying is that Mozilla does not use any KDE or GNOME code. Therefore there is no reason for Mozilla itself to become less stable under KDE or GNOME (I find Mozilla on Linux to be very stable, BTW, ever since release 9.1).
However, Mozilla does make calls for services, and some of those services will be provided by a KDE or GNOME service routine.
Therefore, if you are finding Mozilla to be less stable under KDE, then it is most likely that it is a KDE service routine that is failing.
Then, through bad design at some level (either in KDE, or Qt, or C++ itself), the failure of that service routine manages to bring down the rest of KDE.
When everything is designed correctly (unlike, for example, Windows), and working as it should, then the failure of an individual program should not be able to bring down Linux, nor X-Windows, nor the Window Manager, nor the Desktop Manager.
Under Unix, however, the shutdown of a parent task will also stop a child task, so, depending on how things are invoked, a failure of your Desktop Manager could also bring down Mozilla.
How can you give money to a company supporting M$ [http://www.go-mono.org/]?
Go figure why those people read slashdot...
gnome ain't that great. fvwm2 is much more desirable.
Last I checked fvwm was (w)indow (m)anager, while Gnome is a Desktop Environment... Cake. Icing. Not mutually exclusive, get it dimwit?
If you're going to insult something, at least insult the right thing.
No one gives a fuck, you offtopic moron.
Go back to class.
Let's see, I have $50 burning a hole in my pocket, let's choose between Gnome or Perl.
Gnome (and KDE for that matter) crashes a little too much for my tastes. The UI design could use a little more simplification and consistency. So maybe they need the money, to help improve these things. That would be good.
Perl, on the other hand, is a language that makes me money. I program in Perl and people pay the big dollar. So maybe I owe Perl a little.
Gnome has this guy that likes .NET. In fact, he likes .NET so much it's a little creepy.
Perl has this guy that looks like Weird Al, who's pretty cool. And this other guy that writes packages based on quantum mechanics and other mind-twisting stuff.
Gnome might be moving to the .NET runtime someday, which means Microsoft could possibly have a little more legal power over the project than I'd like. That could be dangerous, maybe I shouldn't give them any money.
Perl 6, though, looks like it has lost all touch with reality (I think it's pretty cool, but then again, that says more about my grip on reality than anything else). In fact I believe programming in Perl 6 will be like taking a hit of LSD. LSD is bad (the flashbacks man) so maybe they don't need my money either.
Tough one... I think I'll just keep my $50 for now.............
Linus never asked us to pony up a little spare change for the kernel? Looks like he is doing pretty good for himself....
If I learned one thing from my dad growing up it was when you start looking to make money from your hobbies then it's to much like your real job -- and maybe time to find a new hobby. Among his many hobby cycles, he restored old saddles and other antiques -- he would spend hundreds of hours on a project for little more than the money for materials and the gleam in his eyes when he finished a project -- when I told he he was crazy to not try to make money doing it -- he said something like "They pay me from 7 AM - 5 PM everyday to do something that has never been fun -- and if I ever have to take money from this it will mean that it has stopped being fun..." When he got burned out he would pick a new hobby.
It never hurt to get a day job. That way you can make money to afford to spend the evenings and weekends doing things you enjoy.
(+1 Funny) only if I laugh out loud.
The offtopic KDE mailing list has proven that the developers are socialists and anti-jewish. Hmm...socialist and anti-jewish...oh, yeah, NAZI!.
Yeah to bad he commited suicide with a shotgun to the face. Ouch... So how long before the pics show up on gnutella?
Three-Dimensional Workspace Manager, a Chalmers Medialab project, released as Free Software under the LGPL license and focusing on the development of a general-purpose platform for 3D user interfaces (3D GUIs). 3Dwm is NOT an X11 window manager and cannot work as such. It is a full 3D user environment, i.e. the 3D equivalent of X11 (far from completed, however).
Instead of confining your applications to the conventional 2D desktop, 3Dwm displays them in three dimensions and also provides the necessary for creating new applications with full 3D-UIs.
Designed especially for use in the Chalmers Medialab 3D-CUBE, 3Dwm will also run on most consumer-level desktop systems as well.
Less is more !
After being abused, I think Gnome needs a few friends.
And, I've tried each WM, including ice and a few others, and I keep coming back to KDE.
The funny part? I like Kmail and I just HAVE TO HAVE ctrl-tab for swapping desktops!
-Ben
I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
And all the time I thought those tales of some fanatical cult saving Grace Hopper's brain were just urban legends.
Ergonomica Auctorita Illico!
Particularly software that is free (as beer). However, with more and more free software entities asking for money (Gnome, Perl, etc), this is starting to look a lot more like commercial software. What happened to the legions of OSS fans who contributed code because they bought into the idea of OSS? If people are contributing code for free, why the need for money? And if people aren't contributing code, then one of the fundamental premises of OSS is destroyed.
"Microsoft has made computing accessible to a population who would otherwise not be able to use computers" - B. Kernigha
Although if I could give some cash to the Blackbox guys I'd certainly do that. I've gotten quite a bit of use out of their software in the last few years...
-B
Ash and Hickory, straight-grained and true, make excellent bludgeons, dandy for the cudgeling of vegetarians.
Ok, i know you where probably trolling, but you can configure whatever you like ctrl-tab under Gnome. If you want it for a specific app, then that's app dependant (like Galeon ctrl-left means Back())
Anyway...
unfinished: (adj.)
No, I simply realise that the address a cheque happens to be delivered to is not significant, who the cheque is made out to is.
They clearly say they will use the money to "provide development, education and promotion for GNOME worldwide". If you want to be a friend of GNOME and have something more specific you'd like your money to go towards then just tell them. As their charter states "The foundation will be in charge of disbursing these funds to the benefit of GNOME and, to the extent possible, in accordance with the wishes of the benefactor."
There is nothing hidden here. There is info on the foundation pages, the foundation mailing list is open for all to read. There might not be a vast amount of info on the friends page but that is because they aren't putting on a hard sell. It's there for you if you feel that you'd like to contribute, not trying to make you feel that you should.
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* alt-tab (sorry, i have way too many apps loaded, and need to switch quickly)
Settings -> Control Settings -> Sawfish -> Shortcuts:
[Global] M-TAB : Cycle Windows
Modifier key: ALT
* taskbar (I even has a taskbar on my amiga before windows)
Well...we know both have
* window placement alignment (nice feature, snap alignment in windows)
Both have.
* Cut and paste (icewm supports windows keys)
For mostly every app: defaults to ctrl-c, ctrl-v, ctrol-x (MS like)
For HTML browsing: Settings -> Control Settings -> Document Handlers -> HTML Viewer -> ShortCuts: [MS Like]
unfinished: (adj.)
(Score:-1, Offtopic) eh?
Apparently the truth will set you modded down on Slashdot these days.
F.Y.I.: The original is from Microsoft:
"I gave the best years of my life to WHQL and all I got was this lousy t-shirt"
WHQL is part of Microsoft & they once gave out a tshirt for their employees with that sentence printed in the front.
> KDE = desktop environment + wigets + kwm
It's kwin, not kwm. And can be easily replaced with another WM.
Because in your article you claim not to favor one over the other.
Personally I think you've chosen the wrong one to bet your development time on. And the reason isn't so much to do with either KDE or GNOME. It's still all to do with the toolkits QT and GTK and their licencing. With GTK everyone is on an equal footing, there is no one company above all others. The LGPL allows largely proprietary companies to come in and experiment without worrying too much about any potentially confusing licencing issues. Basically there's a nice level playing field where everyone is free to make their own decisions for their own reasons.
But in any case, the choice is yours. I have no desire to change you mind and wouldn't bother commenting on my support of GNOME if this were a KDE story.
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Well, Chuck, since you are so quick to defend Gnome from slashdot "trolls," you must see yourself as a friend of Gnome, right? Would it be asking to much for the Friends of Gnome page to include a direct link to the Gnome Foundation page on gnome.org ?? Furthermore, I scanned the Gnome Foundation page and failed to notice anything like a financial disclosure or any sort of accounting for expenditures beyond some extremely vague promise of the kinds of things that might possibly merit funding. They could do better. Now, before you get bent out of shape, realize that I'm not suggesting that there's anything fishy about the Gnome Foundation. But know this: When I make charitable contributions I like to know exactly how money is being spent, because I know of far too many worthwhile causes to justify giving money to anybody who asks for it. Someday, when I'm a megatrillionaire and have, through my boundless philanthropy, put an end to hunger and ignorance and disease, I will gladly donate to each and every software project that catches my fancy. Until that day, I need to be more selective. Knowing how an organization spends money is one of my key selection criteria. In that, I am sure I am not alone.
Mono, .NET implementation on LINUX is being developed by Ximian, Gnome's creators. Wanna see how Miguel de Icaza is licking MSs private parts? go and read www.go-mono.org Especially read Passport related parts to feel disgusted what lust for power and money can turn people into.
GNOME HELPS MS IN THE NAME OF SAVING ITS OWN FUTURE! (Yes, every single line of code written for .NET is helping MS.)
Lots of my friends uninstalled GNOME the first day they heard them helping MS! KDE is much better anyway. Especially after the Gnome 2 calamity. :)
Dear Bill, do you have a
Actually, I did have sex with couple of she-males. They are amazing!!!! :)
Dear Bill, do you have a
Either this way or that way, every .NET implementation will help M$. M$ supporters are talking about "You see, there are Linux implementations of .NET" in the discussion forums.
Ximian is supporting Mono!, financing Mono (good name for MONOpolist technology implementation).
KDE is not responsible for .NET implementation.
Miguel de Icaza was saying that next versions of Gnome (Gnome 4?) should be .NET. Don't you read The Register etc?
I and lots of friends UNINSTALLED GNOME and INSTALLED KDE after learning that Miguel de Icaza likes to lick Billy's private parts.
I WON'T SUPPORT ANY MONOPOLIST LICKERS, INCLUDING GNOME, AND ICAZA!
Gnome 2 is a calamity anyway. I like KDE. :)
Dear Bill, do you have a
one thing I find telling is the attitude towards overall design
In gnome2 there is a definite approach that the architecture and feel should be "designed" so that it is sensible, while JDE seems to just bolt on feature after feature as in MS
For an example please see the vfolder thread on the free desktop mailing list.
Huh? Metacity is to gnome as kwin is to KDE. Metacity uses the gnome libs and stuff like that. You can use other wms with KDE (like blackbox), you don't have to use kwin.
(I love gnome 2 btw and have high hopes for future gnomes.)
> This should be marked as Flamebait... Its important to keep the consistency.
The difference is this is a Gnome story.
"Gnome rulez, KDE blowz" would be marked as flamebait if this was a KDE story
Allegedly the KDE originally stood for Kool Desktop Enviroment but somewhere along the line someone decided that the K did not stand for anything.
Here is a copy of the original post that helped get the whole KDE project started.
http://freekde.org/neil/kdeannounce.html
both gnome and kde have a lot to answer for with their silly gnaming konventions.
If you were to checkout some of the irc groups on irc.gnome.org or some of the mailing lists
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo (desktop devel list maybe)
and could figure out what developer(s) are working on the feature you want and offer to pay them directly.
a search of Bugzilla
http://bugzilla.gnome.org
might turn up an exisiting bug report/request for the enhancements you want, and you could add the promised bounty to the bug report.
you should definately check out Gnome 2 it has imporved a lot.
It has already been explained several times in this discussion
.Net and although it may encourage the use of C# (aka D flat) it gives people an alternative implementation of the .Net framework that they are unlikely to be trapped by vendor lock in.
Gnome is not just Ximian
Gnome Foundation still not Ximian
Ximian are one of the members of the Gnome foundation, Ximian contribute to Gnome.
The guy from Gnome Foundation handling the money has been provided with office space by Ximian, from the sounds of it he does not even work for Ximian.
Much as Miguel De Icaza might want it to be, Mono is not a part of Gnome. See the Gnome section of the Mono FAQ
http://www.go-mono.com/faq.html#gnome
Sometimes Microsoft comes up with ideas worth pursueing, sometimes not (and sometimes they are just rehashing what i think would be better done using Java but it is as much about control as it is the technology). Mono is a competitor to
You still might not want to give to the Gnome Foundation, but many projects will accept donations directly and you could pay a few bucks to get that bug fix you really want or the feature request no one really has enough time to do,
or you could try the other major linux desktop.
enjoy!
I am disgusted that you would equate me with any kind of a murderous religious fool simply for speaking my mind on a subject. To imply that a desire for freedom is in some way tied to religious zeal (and thus that this is something to avoid) shows that you don't even understand the meaning of the word freedom.
If you took by my tone that I refuse to use any non-free software, you are wrong. I have a few bits of non-free software, which I have paid for, mostly games and so forth. I dont oppose commercial software per se, but I do hate when people misrepresent the Free Software movement.
As for accuracy, the Zealots were in fact fighting for freedom from the Roman Empire. So zealotry was originally related to a desire for freedom... ;-)
The moral of this little story? Be nice to people, and they will sometimes be nice to you. Be heavy-handed and insulting, and you can bet someone will snipe you.
Thanx to Mr. Stallman I won't make any donations
Some time ago I read an interview with him (can't find it now), where the interviewer asked about the chances of linux on the desktop, now that we have both gnome and kde. Stallman's answer was thar the community should help improve the *true* opensource desktop, gnome (this are not exact words). He didn't even mention kde!
At this moment, Mr. Stallman disappointed me. Kde appeared before gnome (at least for me, running it since beta4). The guys there work very hard on their project and do a very good job. With the power of kde, they made QT be released under GPL!
Isn't our freedom about choice too? Why must Mr. Stallman be so biased towards one of them? Please have some respect with others work, even if they are not members of the "GNU family". The world is bigger then GNU or FSF!
I realise your post is flamebait, but I'll bite anyway. Gnome has just released version 2.0, which has a shipload of new features. Unless I'm mistaken, Enlightenment has shown no evidence of progress in well over a year. While I do admire many aspects of Enlightenment's interface, it would appear to many of us that Enlightenment is as good as it's going to get. Having said that, I'm quite sure the Enlightenment crew would welcome your donation. It's all about freedom of choice, after all.
I'll donate some $$ to Gnome once I'll see it's working on win32 platform.
Can I donate money to pay for an assassin to kill Gnome coders and zealots?
How does giving to the corporate sponsored Gnome Foundation help the volunteer hackers? It doesn't. It helps the corporations that sponsor Gnome, and possibly indirectly, those hackers that are already being paid to work on it. The corporations don't have to sponsor Gnome, and I'm grateful they do, but if we are beholden to pay them for their sponsorship, what's the point of having a free desktop?
I didn't realize Slashdot was being used as an open forum for people to solicit financial contributions these days. Even worse, the original post did not imply that financial contributions were required, and just say they needed 'help' and 'contributions'.
If GNOME needed more programmers, people to work on documentation, evangelists, etc.. then posting to Slashdot makes sense and I'm sure a lot of us would jump in.. but just having a post that solicits nothing but money is pathetic.
It's all about the money, it's all about the dum-dum-da-dum-dum-dum.
mogorific carpentry experiments
hey "hadess" and "jdub". both of your mothers smell like shit. they should go out and take a shower. you both are the biggest assholes of gnome developers that i ever met.
No. kwin is the default window manager in KDE. Sawfish is the default window manager in GNOME (although it's likely that it will be Metacity in the future).
Just because something uses gnome libraries doesn't make it the default or recommended GNOME software that's included in core GNOME, whether it's a mail client or window manager.
GNU/Linux. The Freshmaker.
Honestly I've never used OS/X.
I was more rebelling about the concept of "Windows done right" when I made that reference. IMHO Windows is at least partly flawed in concept and architecture, and may not be possible to implement right. If one were talking about a clean, compatible Win32 implementation I would be much more certain that it couldn't be done. A workalike is probably possible, but I'd rather see effort invested in a good clean usable interface than in "chasing Windows."
The topic of Mac came up because OS/X looks like "Mac done right" where they ripped out a bunch of the old stuff that was no longer suitable and put a stronger BSD core in. In a way, perhaps it also resembles "neXt done right," too.(or at least "neXt done more marketably.")
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
i'm all for it, my partner collects them, they're stood all over our garden..
and another battle is waged in the war of the OS Desktop... Haven't we learned yet that war doesn't solve anything.... WE MUST STAND TOGETHER TO FACE THE BIG THREAT!! THE ONE THAT WILL DEFEAT US ALL!! The end is near for all of us if we don't stand together! Please show some humanity! Take up your posts and stand together.. THE TIME IS NOW!!!! All of the GNOMES and KDES must stand together.. And together we will triumph over the giant that is coming to eat us ALL!!!
:)(smile)
If you *are* going to donate to KDE (I'm waiting for the follow-up stories on how to donate to KDE, E, Fluxbox, WindowMaker, etc), I suggest you donate to KDE e.V. rather than the KDE League. The latter is about advancing KDE in the corporate arena, whereas the former is about things like flying a whole bunch of hackes to be in the same place and make a superhuman effort (a couple of thousand CVS commits over a weekend) to get KDE 3.0 released.
-A KDE developer.
And twm is the smacked-out junkie that died because it had a BMI of 0.5 ... this isn't necessarily a good thing :)
Yep, kwm is KDE's window manager, although you can make it something else. Technically, it's a much a part of KDE as Sawfish is GNOME (but don't forget Metacity, either).
What if I decide I'd really, really, really prefer not to endorse American ideals? :)
You, sir, are full of shit.
Gnomes try to ore the richness of the earth just for money
if they just stop praying everybody they are so non-profit,care for the world,agains the evil empire, HAHAHAh LIERS.
I know you must make a living but dont say you are almost monks, living because your ideals.
I dont care if you say you need money but dont be such hypocrits
Sawfish is the default window manager in GNOME
Yeah, okay, that's one difference to kwin; but metacity is not very useful without gnome (or some sort of ae-menu).
To be honest, it slipped my mind that sawfish is still default. I use metacity at the moment (when I'm in gnome country, otherwise I use Ion) but I miss a lot of lispy features from sawfish.
Neither of the wm's appear to be very fast and stable, though... or I'm just having bad luck.