Two actually. Soyuz 1 in 1967 and Soyuz 11 in 1971.
I stand by my statement your honor - that there have been none in the last thirty years. (I Am Not A Lawyer But I'm Not Above Getting Out Of Logical Arguments Using Technicalities.)
My point was there have been early crashes (one parachute failure and one reentry depressurisation) but occurred in early models - which have now been completely redesigned. A complete redesign is cheaper to implement when you use disposable spacecraft, whereas reusable spacecraft must be altered and retrofitted.
Don't get me wrong here, I love the shuttle. It's great to think we have the capability to put such a huge manned cargo-carrying spacecraft up there. But we need to be realistic about this. The shuttle is doing two jobs at once (heavy lift and manned flight) which could be done cheaper with unmanned heavy lift launchers and light, manned spacecraft like Soyuz.
...the accident rate on the Shuttle isn't too bad, considering. If two out of five 747s exploded, would you call that a bad accident rate? Even considering?
How many Soyuz have we lost in the past thirty years?
A good decision, as it turned out. If it was in a minimum-energy orbit for the shuttle but out of reach of baikonur, there wouldn't be people up there right now.
In the dim dark past a friend of mine got hold of a CD for testing CD players which had a 1Hz tone. The speakers slowly moved in and out as I watched...
Other than the speed, these were well designed. Each drive had about as much processing power as the computer. ...which sounds great on paper, until you realise we're talking 1983 here, and computer meant BIG with a BIG power supply and lots of support circuitry. The 1541 ended up larger and heavier than the C64!
So, to recap, it was slow, big, heavy, ugly, and unreliable, with a short life expectancy. Still better than tapes, and I jumped for joy when I first got one... ah memories.
However, booting the operating system was nearly instant as the entirety of it was burn into ROM (unlike an Apple II, I believe). Also, if you bought software on a cartridge you had a similar instantaneous boot experience...
If only there was a GEOS cartridge available! Was there?
The OS boot time is also enviable (just switch it on)
Oh yes, and that brilliant idea of linking the CPU with the floppy drive over a 2400 BAUD CABLE was such a brilliant idea! I loved how it took 15 minutes to load a game.
Sheesh, and I questioned the mental integrity of Amiga fanatics...
Maybe I'm behind the times, could someone explain precisely what they mean by an HTML executable file? That doesn't make sense to my "HTML is plain text" portion of knowledge.
The demo version sends and "executes" an HTML file, but the same channel could be used to send and execute an executable. They were just being careful to make their exploit demo safe to use.
I wont have to over hear any of you complain about how bad it was on the way out.
OT: I saw Return of the King in a cinema in Dublin. During the credits, a loud smelly irishman sitting behind us (who ate his popcorn with porcine snuffling sounds for the first five minutes (I assume he finished his snack during that time)) got up to leave and said...
"Just as I said at the end of the last two fillums: I'm glad it's over."
Oh how we laughed! "Why did you come to the last fillum in the series if you hated the first two so much?" we thought. Then I realised I'm going to see Episode III despite I and II.
[hate-speech addendum - I prepend the adjectives "loud" and "smelly" to distinguish the gentleman in question from the 99.6% of irishmen in the cinema whose personal hygiene appeared (to my brief cursory inspection) to be above reproach.]
YEAH! I always wondered why God sent George Bush II to afflict your country, and now I know! He's the perfect man to do something this crazy!
"Environment? Pah! Money? We own the mint, we can print more! Labor? Mexicans! Operating system? 'Windows for Giant Interplanetary Spacecraft'!"
I personally can't wait. For the price of the amount of environmental damage and radiation that a single atmospheric H-Bomb test would cause (and which I would personaly buy tickets to see, from a safe distance of course) we can get a spacecraft the size and weight of the Nimitz flying around the solar system! YEAH!
BANG! BANG Bang bang bang bip bip bip and we're away!...or, as Jerry Pournelle and Larry Niven described an Orion takeoff from the perspective of the crew in "Footfall" (a must-read btw)
...I'm stumped to guess why it's as high as it is, and twice as stumped to say exactly when it will go down.
On friday, sco was told to tell IBM specifically what code they are supposed to have stolen. If they really do show it, the stock will rocket up. Buy "put" options at that stage, and sell when people debunk the evidence and delete it from the kernel, which should be a matter of weeks.
Disclaimer: What the hell are you listening to me for? I write code for a living. I have no financial experience whatsoever. You're taking financial risks on the basis of advice from someone who calls himself "Anarchofascist"? What were you thinking, you fool!
Dr: "Aren't you going to say it is bigger on the inside and on the outside?"
My favourite one-liner was when the Doctor was installing some sort of detector in a Concorde. "My goodness, it's smaller on the inside than it is on the outside!"
The number for sales queries in the UK is 0044 1707 226014. Politely tell the nice lady that you would like information about the SCO Linux licensing program sent out to you. Then tell her that you are currently using the product without a license, and could she please send a letter demanding payment.
They can believe anything they want.... They still have to obey the law, including postal regulations.
I wish I didn't have to defend SCO but here goes.
IANAL BIWTOTV, and I read laws and stuff, so I probably know about as much as the writers on LA Law, but...
If a painter has a vivid dream of painting your house and then sends you a bill in the sincere belief that he painted your house, I don't think that's fraud. If you refuse to pay and the case goes to court, and you demonstrate more evidence that he didn't paint your house than he can present that he did, you win the case and he pays costs.
Likewise, if SCO say "our techies told us we own Linux", and charge for it in the sincere belief that the techies are right (and why should they doubt their techies?) they may walk away from this mess without a scratch. Unfortunately for SCO, I suspect the Discovery process will prove otherwise.
[Angry? Have you called your local SCO sales desk yet?]
Maybe, just maybe, this is the beginning of the end of this mess.
I certainly hope not. I want to see the end of this mess in a goddam trial, with discovery processes, evidence, and verdicts. I want to see the board of SCO strung up by their thumbnails on a scaffold built outside the NYSE. I don't want to see this end in a wimpy SCO backdown.
Seriously though, the best ending will be anything which results in the utter humiliation and bankrupcy of SCO. We (the software making and using community) need them to suffer some punishment (legal or market driven, I don't care which) which will deter others from running a similar scam.
Just because you have a lower slashdot ID than me doesn't make you right or a representative of the community as a whole. Your shrill criticisism of ESR's message is juvenile and your embarrasment is your own concern.
Everyone else with a strongly-held opinion attempting to sway others to the cause, and writing screeds attempting to rally like-minded people to a cause: Shut up! Enry doesn't want to hear from you, so just shut up. Shut up he says.
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Ha-ha, you fool. You fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is "Never get involved in a land war in Asia"...
Two actually. Soyuz 1 in 1967 and Soyuz 11 in 1971.
I stand by my statement your honor - that there have been none in the last thirty years. (I Am Not A Lawyer But I'm Not Above Getting Out Of Logical Arguments Using Technicalities.)
My point was there have been early crashes (one parachute failure and one reentry depressurisation) but occurred in early models - which have now been completely redesigned. A complete redesign is cheaper to implement when you use disposable spacecraft, whereas reusable spacecraft must be altered and retrofitted.
Don't get me wrong here, I love the shuttle. It's great to think we have the capability to put such a huge manned cargo-carrying spacecraft up there. But we need to be realistic about this. The shuttle is doing two jobs at once (heavy lift and manned flight) which could be done cheaper with unmanned heavy lift launchers and light, manned spacecraft like Soyuz.
If two out of five 747s exploded, would you call that a bad accident rate? Even considering?
How many Soyuz have we lost in the past thirty years?
A good decision, as it turned out. If it was in a minimum-energy orbit for the shuttle but out of reach of baikonur, there wouldn't be people up there right now.
In the dim dark past a friend of mine got hold of a CD for testing CD players which had a 1Hz tone. The speakers slowly moved in and out as I watched...
I'm already in debian (type "apt-get install rockdodger") I'd love to be in another distro.
There were a ton of options for the slow disk I/O...
Surely that's an indication of bad original design, that there are so many easily implemented alternative solutions?
Other than the speed, these were well designed. Each drive had about as much processing power as the computer. ...which sounds great on paper, until you realise we're talking 1983 here, and computer meant BIG with a BIG power supply and lots of support circuitry. The 1541 ended up larger and heavier than the C64!
So, to recap, it was slow, big, heavy, ugly, and unreliable, with a short life expectancy. Still better than tapes, and I jumped for joy when I first got one... ah memories.
However, booting the operating system was nearly instant as the entirety of it was burn into ROM (unlike an Apple II, I believe). Also, if you bought software on a cartridge you had a similar instantaneous boot experience...
If only there was a GEOS cartridge available! Was there?
The OS boot time is also enviable (just switch it on)
Oh yes, and that brilliant idea of linking the CPU with the floppy drive over a 2400 BAUD CABLE was such a brilliant idea! I loved how it took 15 minutes to load a game.
Sheesh, and I questioned the mental integrity of Amiga fanatics...
The demo version sends and "executes" an HTML file, but the same channel could be used to send and execute an executable. They were just being careful to make their exploit demo safe to use.
OT: I saw Return of the King in a cinema in Dublin. During the credits, a loud smelly irishman sitting behind us (who ate his popcorn with porcine snuffling sounds for the first five minutes (I assume he finished his snack during that time)) got up to leave and said...
"Just as I said at the end of the last two fillums: I'm glad it's over."
Oh how we laughed! "Why did you come to the last fillum in the series if you hated the first two so much?" we thought. Then I realised I'm going to see Episode III despite I and II.
[hate-speech addendum - I prepend the adjectives "loud" and "smelly" to distinguish the gentleman in question from the 99.6% of irishmen in the cinema whose personal hygiene appeared (to my brief cursory inspection) to be above reproach.]
"Environment? Pah! Money? We own the mint, we can print more! Labor? Mexicans! Operating system? 'Windows for Giant Interplanetary Spacecraft'!"
I personally can't wait. For the price of the amount of environmental damage and radiation that a single atmospheric H-Bomb test would cause (and which I would personaly buy tickets to see, from a safe distance of course) we can get a spacecraft the size and weight of the Nimitz flying around the solar system! YEAH!
BANG! BANG Bang bang bang bip bip bip and we're away!
This is just too much. I thought "evil corporations" existed only on comic books, and hollywood movies.
Your simple fresh-faced innocence made me smile.
...I'm stumped to guess why it's as high as it is, and twice as stumped to say exactly when it will go down.
On friday, sco was told to tell IBM specifically what code they are supposed to have stolen. If they really do show it, the stock will rocket up. Buy "put" options at that stage, and sell when people debunk the evidence and delete it from the kernel, which should be a matter of weeks.
Disclaimer: What the hell are you listening to me for? I write code for a living. I have no financial experience whatsoever. You're taking financial risks on the basis of advice from someone who calls himself "Anarchofascist"? What were you thinking, you fool!
Aw c'mon, of course you do [disclaimer: IANAA]
"It will be more tasty than Western food."
Yeah, but will they be hungry again an hour later?
Luckily, they're only scheduled to orbit the Earth once, which takes about an hour.
...let you play Tetris while it booted?
That's not funny, that's Clever!
Maybe, but you still need talent....
Dr: "Aren't you going to say it is bigger on the inside and on the outside?"
My favourite one-liner was when the Doctor was installing some sort of detector in a Concorde.
"My goodness, it's smaller on the inside than it is on the outside!"
The number for sales queries in the UK is 0044 1707 226014. Politely tell the nice lady that you would like information about the SCO Linux licensing program sent out to you. Then tell her that you are currently using the product without a license, and could she please send a letter demanding payment.
"..is it ironic that a linux ad is in windows media format?"
No, it's sensible, rational, and commercially acceptable. Which is the point they're making.
If it was only available in a windows format, that would be ironic.
They can believe anything they want. ... They still have to obey the law, including postal regulations.
I wish I didn't have to defend SCO but here goes.
IANAL BIWTOTV, and I read laws and stuff, so I probably know about as much as the writers on LA Law, but...
If a painter has a vivid dream of painting your house and then sends you a bill in the sincere belief that he painted your house, I don't think that's fraud. If you refuse to pay and the case goes to court, and you demonstrate more evidence that he didn't paint your house than he can present that he did, you win the case and he pays costs.
Likewise, if SCO say "our techies told us we own Linux", and charge for it in the sincere belief that the techies are right (and why should they doubt their techies?) they may walk away from this mess without a scratch. Unfortunately for SCO, I suspect the Discovery process will prove otherwise.
[Angry? Have you called your local SCO sales desk yet?]
Maybe, just maybe, this is the beginning of the end of this mess.
I certainly hope not. I want to see the end of this mess in a goddam trial, with discovery processes, evidence, and verdicts. I want to see the board of SCO strung up by their thumbnails on a scaffold built outside the NYSE. I don't want to see this end in a wimpy SCO backdown.
Seriously though, the best ending will be anything which results in the utter humiliation and bankrupcy of SCO. We (the software making and using community) need them to suffer some punishment (legal or market driven, I don't care which) which will deter others from running a similar scam.
"IBM lawyers, ATTACK!"
Enry: Shut up.
Just because you have a lower slashdot ID than me doesn't make you right or a representative of the community as a whole. Your shrill criticisism of ESR's message is juvenile and your embarrasment is your own concern.
Everyone else with a strongly-held opinion attempting to sway others to the cause, and writing screeds attempting to rally like-minded people to a cause: Shut up! Enry doesn't want to hear from you, so just shut up. Shut up he says.