As much as i hate going against the W3C, i would hate to have a new web built on microsoft and macromedia 'technology'. Opera and Mozilla can atleast get basic CSS right (unlike microsoft) so they would be the best to do this, but why not work with the W3C? The big problem with html is that the masses just didnt listen, i guess thats democracy but its been hacked to death to do things it wasnt designed for, CSS was too little too late and implementation is just so fucking poor in some browsers (IE for mac?) it makes me want to get my dick out and start ramming the disk drive in some hope of getting basic box models to render properly! People dont think of the web as style separate from content, standards complient, neat and tidy, simple interfaces that get right to the point and give you the content you want. People want flashy interfaces like they see in movies, with menus that take several minutes to load so you can see a nice selection of low res pictures in a funky box and 1 paragraph of text that tells you nothing. Well thats fine by me, i could find a life-time of employment designing gimicky interfaces but im damned if im going to do it in flash. We need a W3C or some other open and decent standard that all browsers support very well and that has flash-like design tools availiable but we needed it 6 years ago. Now we have to live with macromedia flash because everyone has it, even though its not nice and ordered, it doesnt tie in with any other W3C web structure/standard and its web-app whatsit is all closed and requires a license. If Opera and Mozilla (and Netscape of course, and KHTML- meaning Safari) can pull this off (and do it well) then that would rock. I dont see any reason why microsoft wouldnt include it in IE, they dont have any relashonship with macromedia (thank fucking jesus for that).
If it was running windows i would just say give up and leave it on default install. It would be full of porn and downloaded crap within a week. Because its a mac you might have a bit of a head start (might take them abit longer to get MSN working) and the browser (as long as its not IE for mac, stay away from IE for mac it is the devils work) might not get infested with porn pop-ups. Dont bother with accounts, no-one is going to need their own space and if you dont want anyone saving things on the hard-drive then accounts are definately not needed. Just stick a student account on, leave it logged in, and put a decent browser on, word processor (if there isnt already) and a multi-protocal chat client would be nice (gaim or something).
Oh and be sure to stick a folder in there somewhere called "lesbians" and stick the goats.cx pic in there (or script it to take a pic from the web cam and set it as the background with the caption "i was trying to get the lesbian porn".
And while i dont necessarily agree (apart from the bit about taking down the israeli government) this is an example of free speech and i'd be pretty pissed off if it was censored.
It still sounds like categorising jewish racism as something different and more important than other discrimination, cant it just be called racism or discrimination? Yes its very true that if you push something underground it will become 10 times harder to stop. And just for the record, ive seen plenty of sig's around the net to the point of "the only way to stop antisemitism is with a 9mm" etc.. Its a stupid conflict that gets both sides killed.
They already have other security features which makes this law even more stupid. How can you 'print' a shiney metal strip that weaves in and out down the side of the note? and in shops etc most people do check, it only takes a second to hold it up to the light. Also the line and dot patterns can be printed with sophisticated machines that make scanning or printing it on other equipment much harder, you just get a moire pattern or loose the fine lines. I think this law has a sinister motive which might have something to do with making money, but not the counterfeit way.
This is really the goal of microsofts "un-trusted computing" (calling it trusted in my view is the same as supporting it) the end goal is tamper-proof hardware that will just break if you try anything. Theres simply no way to ban compilers otherwise and as you say, any black-box software methods can just be circumnavigated, the only way is locked down hardware and thats something we have to be afraid of.
Just by even saying this it prooves without doubt that the EU has absolutely no idea about the issues involved. Have they even asked experts? do they have a technical panel? Even im qualified to say that this will not work and is a stupid in-the-clouds idea, why don't they atleast make a start and hire me?! ill work for next to nothing and i could sort out all their stupid issues on DRM, bank-note detection, censorship and patent laws, im not biased to any corporation im not even biased towards open-source (much). Can't they take a look at slashdot now and then? Or are they all corrupt already.
(1) That was insane. (2) No but where do you draw the line?
Its a better reason to block something because its hurting the person involved than just because. At least that way the censors have no reason to block political and other real free-speech things. Obviously you have to have a line and corporations being hurt by images of their workers dumping toxic waste into the local river doesnt count etc.
Im confused (didnt RTFA) are they blocking real worms or VB-script outlook worms? because calling a VB-script outlook worm a worm is like calling a kid with a water-gun a crazed psychopathic killer. Microsoft could have solved every single VB-script 'worm' with about 4 lines of code.
One protest means nothing (just like this guy). The only protest thats worth anything is mass protest, syncronised, organised, with one goal: to tell those gready basterds no! we will not sit here in silence, we will not take your pricing, we will have our cake and eat it, we are one and we are many! WE ARE YOUR CUSTOMERS!
Actually child porn is bad because (to put it lightly) the people in it have been abused and its pretty obvious they themselves wouldn't want it all over the net. Bomb making instructions are indirectly availiable in most chemistry books and nuclear weapons are no secret in physics books. Conspiring to bomb/kill is illigal and probably insiting violence is illigal too. Antisemitism AFAIK basically means "talking negatively about israel" which is like a special form of racism that only applies to one country? im not trolling im just pointing it out.
For fucks sake what is wrong with these people!? can they not just refuse to host these sites, inform other ISP's in other countries, arrest the pedophiles!? Censorship of anything whatsoever is just wrong period and now i have to go and boycott BT. If they dont want this stuff on the net then fine, take it down, but blocking it is a totally different thing and unfortunately i dont think the public understands this. I swear this country is not going to turn into fucking backwards china.
I think what he was trying to proove was that it costs the phone company pretty much nothing to route a text message, which is a stupid protest because the phone company probably didnt even feel it and is laughing over the morning newspaper. On my phone it costs between about 5p and 10p which is still a rip-off, but what really pisses me off more than anything, is the priority at which sms traffic gets given, sometimes it can get lost for several hours and you have to think HOW FUCKING HARD IS IT TO ROUTE 160 BYTES?!? I swear the leaching phone companies use the internet for some of it, especially if it goes over-seas which pisses me off even more - you put something that will fit into a single packet through a free network and then charge nearly a dollar?!? yes i know they are just trying to make money, but the point is, and i think that guy is with me here, WE are the union of phone users and if we all push our weight and say to the phone companies FUCK YOU then we can get what we want and they can be are bitch slaves. Ok or they could just make it much cheaper, why do we put up with this? this has to be the most poor yet most widely used mobile service in the world and yet we take all its bullshit? 160 characters! thats all you get in this day and age!? This is their little money cow, rip the customers off and they will stand for it because no-one is organised enough to mass protest it.
How on earth is this breakthrough technology? finger-print scanners are old news, sticking one on an mp3-player is irrelevant as much as it is bad PR. These people really dont get it do they? if you can hear it you can copy it full stop! I think the technology industry is taking the RIAA for a ride "sure sure this will stop them for sure, we'll put some program on a CD (ok so we know that the shift key will stop it but man this is going to make us rich!.. for 2 months)" now its finger-print scanning, tomorrow its iris, whatever, just aslong is i can get some of this action! ive got an idea to stop pirates with erm err encrypted headphones! yeah i can sell that:)
I think its bad practice that people havnt gotten used to opening things in a new window themselves, but thats their business. It would be no problem for me to turn off the ability of javascript to open new windows and just shift-click or whatever to open windows as i saw fit, i guess thats a user decision though. I hate websites that are so badly designed that a link will only open if javascript is turned on, its very easy to design the link to work with javascript but also without but no, these people cant be bothered.
No i didnt mean that, i ment is there any need for popups for us (the users). I couldnt care less how much it pays advertisers, popups can be turned fully off and theres no way for advertisers to stop that, if we don't actually need them for anything useful, just turn them off.
Is there really any need for pop-ups in the first place? how many people here actually regularly use a site where pop-ups are not-only useful, but essential and there could have been no other way around the design? I only know of one use for them and thats for small message 'refresh' windows that check for messages etc and even that could be done plenty of other ways. Sure there are many sites that use them for other things but none of these are actually needed!? If i want something to open in a new window (tab) i shift-click it. I use operas pop-up blocker and if i ever hit a site that gets around that ill just turn off javascript. Web design has really gone down hill and theres some appauling stuff out there.
I think selling a dangerously defective product and then charging for the fix is even more criminal than selling pirate copies! The patch will be cracked anyway, just like product activation, windows itself and everything else etc etc.. im just glad i dont have a pirate copy of windows XP:P
well since 99.99% of msn's search traffic comes from people accidently typing crap in explorer yes. (i think i might have contributed to that, im used to searching in the address bar so when i use IE i get that) i mean seriously, why would anyone use msn?
Wait wait hold the fucking press, cinema recordings are crap, infact they are so crap i actually don't think i could ever bring myself to watch one. If someone gets ripped off buying one then thats their problem, piracy (ie selling for profit) is bad and we have police that go around stopping it, but the only purpose of filming off the screen and putting it on the net is so that people can see the film before it comes out in their country.
Who the hell cares if someone watches a film before it comes out in their country? better yet, who the hell cares enough to stick nightvision in cinemas and go to all the trouble to try and stop cameras from working (which is just an up-hill battle that will go through round after round of expensive research and cheap ways to circumnavigate it).
And giving out serious charges and prision time for this is just total fucking bullshit on the highest level. I can understand listening to an mp3 instead of a CD, i can understand watching a divx instead of a DVD, but if someone actually seriously wants to watch a poor quality cinema video then they're either too cheap to even go to the cinema (so dont bother chasing them) or they are total fanatics who need to see star-wars the very second it comes out and who will likely go and see it in the cinema about 20 times aswell.
I believe in stopping things at the source but this just takes the piss, chuck people out if they have cameras but dont do this to your customers because some of us arnt sheep who will take your bullshit excuses and give you their money just like they take bushes bull shit excuses and wave their flags around or take blunketts crap as he says "duuhhhh i think we should have id cards because they help fight terrorists" or listen to the fucking criminal israeli government as they say "yeah that vanunu is evil, kidnap is ok", some of us don't give jack about jay-lo's failing career or ben afflecks right to have 3 jets, the cinema industry is just becoming shitty like all the other industries and soon they are going to wake up either to a society of sheep who will buy their DRM or a society of people who say fuck you and boycott every
But slashdot does that too!? actually i think its brilliant the way slashdot runs microsoft ads, take their money and show the ads to a bunch of people who dont give a shit! its like charging the baby to let you steal its candy:) Really how many non linux-converts are going to be reading linux today?
Slashdot Mirror
As much as i hate going against the W3C, i would hate to have a new web built on microsoft and macromedia 'technology'. Opera and Mozilla can atleast get basic CSS right (unlike microsoft) so they would be the best to do this, but why not work with the W3C? The big problem with html is that the masses just didnt listen, i guess thats democracy but its been hacked to death to do things it wasnt designed for, CSS was too little too late and implementation is just so fucking poor in some browsers (IE for mac?) it makes me want to get my dick out and start ramming the disk drive in some hope of getting basic box models to render properly! People dont think of the web as style separate from content, standards complient, neat and tidy, simple interfaces that get right to the point and give you the content you want. People want flashy interfaces like they see in movies, with menus that take several minutes to load so you can see a nice selection of low res pictures in a funky box and 1 paragraph of text that tells you nothing. Well thats fine by me, i could find a life-time of employment designing gimicky interfaces but im damned if im going to do it in flash. We need a W3C or some other open and decent standard that all browsers support very well and that has flash-like design tools availiable but we needed it 6 years ago. Now we have to live with macromedia flash because everyone has it, even though its not nice and ordered, it doesnt tie in with any other W3C web structure/standard and its web-app whatsit is all closed and requires a license. If Opera and Mozilla (and Netscape of course, and KHTML- meaning Safari) can pull this off (and do it well) then that would rock. I dont see any reason why microsoft wouldnt include it in IE, they dont have any relashonship with macromedia (thank fucking jesus for that).
If it was running windows i would just say give up and leave it on default install. It would be full of porn and downloaded crap within a week. Because its a mac you might have a bit of a head start (might take them abit longer to get MSN working) and the browser (as long as its not IE for mac, stay away from IE for mac it is the devils work) might not get infested with porn pop-ups. Dont bother with accounts, no-one is going to need their own space and if you dont want anyone saving things on the hard-drive then accounts are definately not needed. Just stick a student account on, leave it logged in, and put a decent browser on, word processor (if there isnt already) and a multi-protocal chat client would be nice (gaim or something).
Oh and be sure to stick a folder in there somewhere called "lesbians" and stick the goats.cx pic in there (or script it to take a pic from the web cam and set it as the background with the caption "i was trying to get the lesbian porn".
ne ne ne first to discover atlantis! first to discover atlantis! someone mod this fp whore down.
Yeah but some (idiot) in a nightclub or busy burgerking will be fooled by a paper coin cut-out and then that will have to be stopped too.
Either way, some idiot politician is going to be very pissed off when they discover this 'evil hacker movement' where you can turn off the detection.
And while i dont necessarily agree (apart from the bit about taking down the israeli government) this is an example of free speech and i'd be pretty pissed off if it was censored.
It still sounds like categorising jewish racism as something different and more important than other discrimination, cant it just be called racism or discrimination? Yes its very true that if you push something underground it will become 10 times harder to stop. And just for the record, ive seen plenty of sig's around the net to the point of "the only way to stop antisemitism is with a 9mm" etc.. Its a stupid conflict that gets both sides killed.
They already have other security features which makes this law even more stupid. How can you 'print' a shiney metal strip that weaves in and out down the side of the note? and in shops etc most people do check, it only takes a second to hold it up to the light. Also the line and dot patterns can be printed with sophisticated machines that make scanning or printing it on other equipment much harder, you just get a moire pattern or loose the fine lines. I think this law has a sinister motive which might have something to do with making money, but not the counterfeit way.
This is really the goal of microsofts "un-trusted computing" (calling it trusted in my view is the same as supporting it) the end goal is tamper-proof hardware that will just break if you try anything. Theres simply no way to ban compilers otherwise and as you say, any black-box software methods can just be circumnavigated, the only way is locked down hardware and thats something we have to be afraid of.
Just by even saying this it prooves without doubt that the EU has absolutely no idea about the issues involved. Have they even asked experts? do they have a technical panel? Even im qualified to say that this will not work and is a stupid in-the-clouds idea, why don't they atleast make a start and hire me?! ill work for next to nothing and i could sort out all their stupid issues on DRM, bank-note detection, censorship and patent laws, im not biased to any corporation im not even biased towards open-source (much). Can't they take a look at slashdot now and then? Or are they all corrupt already.
they can take goats.cx from our cold dead hands.. oh wait that already happend...
Logic check:
(1) That was insane.
(2) No but where do you draw the line?
Its a better reason to block something because its hurting the person involved than just because. At least that way the censors have no reason to block political and other real free-speech things. Obviously you have to have a line and corporations being hurt by images of their workers dumping toxic waste into the local river doesnt count etc.
Im confused (didnt RTFA) are they blocking real worms or VB-script outlook worms? because calling a VB-script outlook worm a worm is like calling a kid with a water-gun a crazed psychopathic killer. Microsoft could have solved every single VB-script 'worm' with about 4 lines of code.
One protest means nothing (just like this guy). The only protest thats worth anything is mass protest, syncronised, organised, with one goal: to tell those gready basterds no! we will not sit here in silence, we will not take your pricing, we will have our cake and eat it, we are one and we are many! WE ARE YOUR CUSTOMERS!
Actually child porn is bad because (to put it lightly) the people in it have been abused and its pretty obvious they themselves wouldn't want it all over the net. Bomb making instructions are indirectly availiable in most chemistry books and nuclear weapons are no secret in physics books. Conspiring to bomb/kill is illigal and probably insiting violence is illigal too. Antisemitism AFAIK basically means "talking negatively about israel" which is like a special form of racism that only applies to one country? im not trolling im just pointing it out.
For fucks sake what is wrong with these people!? can they not just refuse to host these sites, inform other ISP's in other countries, arrest the pedophiles!? Censorship of anything whatsoever is just wrong period and now i have to go and boycott BT. If they dont want this stuff on the net then fine, take it down, but blocking it is a totally different thing and unfortunately i dont think the public understands this. I swear this country is not going to turn into fucking backwards china.
I think what he was trying to proove was that it costs the phone company pretty much nothing to route a text message, which is a stupid protest because the phone company probably didnt even feel it and is laughing over the morning newspaper. On my phone it costs between about 5p and 10p which is still a rip-off, but what really pisses me off more than anything, is the priority at which sms traffic gets given, sometimes it can get lost for several hours and you have to think HOW FUCKING HARD IS IT TO ROUTE 160 BYTES?!? I swear the leaching phone companies use the internet for some of it, especially if it goes over-seas which pisses me off even more - you put something that will fit into a single packet through a free network and then charge nearly a dollar?!? yes i know they are just trying to make money, but the point is, and i think that guy is with me here, WE are the union of phone users and if we all push our weight and say to the phone companies FUCK YOU then we can get what we want and they can be are bitch slaves. Ok or they could just make it much cheaper, why do we put up with this? this has to be the most poor yet most widely used mobile service in the world and yet we take all its bullshit? 160 characters! thats all you get in this day and age!? This is their little money cow, rip the customers off and they will stand for it because no-one is organised enough to mass protest it.
How on earth is this breakthrough technology? finger-print scanners are old news, sticking one on an mp3-player is irrelevant as much as it is bad PR. These people really dont get it do they? if you can hear it you can copy it full stop! I think the technology industry is taking the RIAA for a ride "sure sure this will stop them for sure, we'll put some program on a CD (ok so we know that the shift key will stop it but man this is going to make us rich!.. for 2 months)" now its finger-print scanning, tomorrow its iris, whatever, just aslong is i can get some of this action! ive got an idea to stop pirates with erm err encrypted headphones! yeah i can sell that :)
I think its bad practice that people havnt gotten used to opening things in a new window themselves, but thats their business. It would be no problem for me to turn off the ability of javascript to open new windows and just shift-click or whatever to open windows as i saw fit, i guess thats a user decision though. I hate websites that are so badly designed that a link will only open if javascript is turned on, its very easy to design the link to work with javascript but also without but no, these people cant be bothered.
No i didnt mean that, i ment is there any need for popups for us (the users). I couldnt care less how much it pays advertisers, popups can be turned fully off and theres no way for advertisers to stop that, if we don't actually need them for anything useful, just turn them off.
Is there really any need for pop-ups in the first place? how many people here actually regularly use a site where pop-ups are not-only useful, but essential and there could have been no other way around the design? I only know of one use for them and thats for small message 'refresh' windows that check for messages etc and even that could be done plenty of other ways. Sure there are many sites that use them for other things but none of these are actually needed!? If i want something to open in a new window (tab) i shift-click it. I use operas pop-up blocker and if i ever hit a site that gets around that ill just turn off javascript. Web design has really gone down hill and theres some appauling stuff out there.
I think selling a dangerously defective product and then charging for the fix is even more criminal than selling pirate copies! The patch will be cracked anyway, just like product activation, windows itself and everything else etc etc.. im just glad i dont have a pirate copy of windows XP :P
well since 99.99% of msn's search traffic comes from people accidently typing crap in explorer yes. (i think i might have contributed to that, im used to searching in the address bar so when i use IE i get that) i mean seriously, why would anyone use msn?
Wait wait hold the fucking press, cinema recordings are crap, infact they are so crap i actually don't think i could ever bring myself to watch one. If someone gets ripped off buying one then thats their problem, piracy (ie selling for profit) is bad and we have police that go around stopping it, but the only purpose of filming off the screen and putting it on the net is so that people can see the film before it comes out in their country.
Who the hell cares if someone watches a film before it comes out in their country? better yet, who the hell cares enough to stick nightvision in cinemas and go to all the trouble to try and stop cameras from working (which is just an up-hill battle that will go through round after round of expensive research and cheap ways to circumnavigate it).
And giving out serious charges and prision time for this is just total fucking bullshit on the highest level. I can understand listening to an mp3 instead of a CD, i can understand watching a divx instead of a DVD, but if someone actually seriously wants to watch a poor quality cinema video then they're either too cheap to even go to the cinema (so dont bother chasing them) or they are total fanatics who need to see star-wars the very second it comes out and who will likely go and see it in the cinema about 20 times aswell.
I believe in stopping things at the source but this just takes the piss, chuck people out if they have cameras but dont do this to your customers because some of us arnt sheep who will take your bullshit excuses and give you their money just like they take bushes bull shit excuses and wave their flags around or take blunketts crap as he says "duuhhhh i think we should have id cards because they help fight terrorists" or listen to the fucking criminal israeli government as they say "yeah that vanunu is evil, kidnap is ok", some of us don't give jack about jay-lo's failing career or ben afflecks right to have 3 jets, the cinema industry is just becoming shitty like all the other industries and soon they are going to wake up either to a society of sheep who will buy their DRM or a society of people who say fuck you and boycott every
ok im going to sit down now.
But slashdot does that too!? actually i think its brilliant the way slashdot runs microsoft ads, take their money and show the ads to a bunch of people who dont give a shit! its like charging the baby to let you steal its candy :) Really how many non linux-converts are going to be reading linux today?