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80,012 Text Messages In One Month

webguru4god writes "According to an article on AZCentral.com, a man in New Zealand sent an average of 2,580 text messages a day for a whole month to protest his cell phone provider cancelling their unlimited text messaging plan. I recently received a faulty cell phone bill for $2000 claiming that I sent 40,000 text messages in one month, which I thought was physically impossible. But apparently this man has doubled that number and managed to get 8 hours of sleep each night for the month!"

328 comments

  1. pay first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    pay first, then complain

  2. hhmmm... by Mad_Rain · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think they're missing the bigger story: How did this man grow two extra thumbs to key in those 80,000 messages? ;)

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    1. Re:hhmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      i guess genetic mutation is mandatory these days to keep up with technology.

    2. Re:hhmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Telecom New Zealand have also said he wasn't their biggest text sender (It's just that his was a protest).
      During the promotion people in the same room have been texting back and forth to each other about the program they've been watching, so the numbers added up. His protest was in texting the competitor service it was costing Telecom a lot more than Telecom to Telecom texts.

    3. Re:hhmmm... by OzRoy · · Score: 2, Funny

      I would like to know why he thinks this will make them bring back the deal.

      They probably think they have hit a gold mine after the bill they will send him.

    4. Re:hhmmm... by wo1verin3 · · Score: 4, Informative

      My phone has the ability to store messages... the article says he sent the same message repeatedly. It's a matter of two clicks on my phone to bring up the stored text message and send it. Rinse and repeat.

    5. Re:hhmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Uh - no bill. His protest was in the last month of the text deal that Telecom NZ had, so it was all their loss, not his. He still got charged the same total as the previous months.

    6. Re:hhmmm... by SillyNickName4me · · Score: 4, Informative

      And then there is the possibility to send text messages from a computer in a variety of ways, including connecting your mobile to it.. A computer can also generate and send messages and a quite incredible rate..

    7. Re:hhmmm... by HuckleCom · · Score: 0

      This also triples as a story for the most obsessive man in the world...

    8. Re:hhmmm... by 222 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Its easy, he simply built a beowulf cluster of thumbs.

      /ducks

    9. Re:hhmmm... by gusnz · · Score: 5, Informative

      Thanks, Mr A.C., for injecting a little local perspective! While I'm not a Telecom NZ subscriber, allow me to explain a little more...

      The two main phone networks in NZ are Vodafone and Telecom. Vodafone initially dominated the texting market, with 20c-per-text prices using its GSM network. In order to reclaim some marketshare, Telecom introduced its "$10-per-month for unlimited texting deal" last year, and advertised it nationwide.

      Here's the kicker. Telecom's network is based on CDMA, and to switch from Vodafone to Telecom you have to purchase a new phone and get a new phone number. Lots of people I know were spending hundreds of dollars a month on text charges with Vodafone, so justifying the expense of ~$300NZD for a midrange Telecom phone and switching over made sense economically.

      During this period, I don't recall Telecom mentioning any time limit on the deal whatsoever. Anyone who paid more attention than I to the extremely small print at the bottom of their TV screens can feel free to post a rebuttal, but many people received an assurance from Telecom store clerks in person that the $10 deal was guaranteed for a long time (years to decades) and correspondingly switched over to the Telecom network, expecting their initial outlay for a new phone to eventually pay for itself.

      Fast forward to 2004, and Telecom pulls the bait and switch on its subscribers, causing a lot of them to get very angry and send as many text messages as they could before the $10 deal terminated as a protest.

      I can see where Telecom is coming from, as they do pay interconnect agreements with Vodafone and have to pay approximately 8c to 14c (can't recall the exact figure) per text message that terminates on Vodafone's network, and as such the $10 deal is uneconomic in the long term. And they do still have a monthly deal, but it's capped at ~500 messages last I heard, which is less than many people require (especially when forwarding one message to several people; it adds up rapidly!). However, I still feel that Telecom's behaviour with regards to advertising their phone deal was a little unethical, and I can see exactly where the person in the article is coming from...

    10. Re:hhmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, also as a new zealander i can say this.. the contract stated that it was a limited time offer, with a one month notification of cancellation clause. Anyone who feels ripped off about a deal that actually states that it can be canned at any time is an idiot. As for however many thousand messages, they were free, well, as in $10 down free, because he was still within the month that was the 'notice' period. He probably had one of those nokia phones that allows you to send messages to everyone on your directory at once. Pointless protest.. what he is really saying is "im too stupid to read a contract and now i feel victimized." This happens all the time here, as we tend to breed morons on a regular basis, and we really only have two major providers, Vodafone, and the loval version of telecom.

    11. Re:hhmmm... by Bob+Zer+Fish · · Score: 1

      If he had a blue-toothed enabled phone then he could have written a program to create messages, and then get the phone to send them. That wouldn't be too difficult.

    12. Re:hhmmm... by puddpunk · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm a long time Vodafone subscriber (switched _from_ telecom before their $10 text deal) and am incredibly happy with the service Vodafone provides.

      Now when Telecom announced their $10/month for unlimited text almost everyone I knew could see into the (near) future that Telecom was going to pull the old "bait and switch" with this whole deal.

      I would constantly put the sales reps that accosted me at my University on the spot by asking in a loud voice when the deal will end. They said "indefinate" while umming and ahhhing which then I would say "So, you could change it next month, right?".

      Now while this "unlimited" texting went on, people started to wonder how Telecom could afford this kind of madness, but Telecom in New Zealand controls a huge majority of Phone lines, toll calls, ADSL connections and controls one of the largest ISP's in NZ (Xtra). We knew where they were getting their money from they were subsidising their losses in the cell phone division from their other (more profitable) departments.

      So as more and more people started to poke their nose into Telecom's business, we knew their next move was coming next. $10/month for 500 texts. Now the deal is still a huge savings in money, but it's just the fact that Telecom changed the rules while the game was being played and that upset a lot of people.

      Vodafone cannot compete with those prices, so Vodafone chose to start pushing their interactive GPRS technologies such as Vodafone Live! (neat wap portal) and PXT (picture messages). Now even though I could save $50/month I simply do not trust telecom! I'm an account holder with Vodafone (not prepay) and I just will not deal with Telecom more than I have to, lest they choose to rip me off.

    13. Re:hhmmm... by __aafkqj3628 · · Score: 1

      Take three things -
      1. Phone with bluetooth support
      2. Mac OSX
      3. AppleScript knowledge

      And flood the airwaves.

    14. Re:hhmmm... by ziggyboy · · Score: 1

      Have you ever heard of SMS software? It's easy to hookup your phone to the computer and have software control it, including sending SMS messages.

    15. Re:hhmmm... by Syberghost · · Score: 1

      His protest was in texting the competitor service it was costing Telecom a lot more than Telecom to Telecom texts.

      And by doing so, he's provided an excuse for Telecom to get free airtime to say things like "I suppose it's an indication of the kind of thing we wanted to discourage by putting a cap", thereby ensuring that most consumers think he's a kook.

      He should bill Telecom for the excellent public relations job he's done for them.

    16. Re:hhmmm... by AtomicBomb · · Score: 4, Informative

      From the perspective of another New Zealander, I doubt the following statement, "Lots of people I know were spending hundreds of dollars a month on text charges with Vodafone"...

      The voice mobile service in NZ is more expensive than most developed country. Here links to the most generous plan from Vodafone that is the major rival against Telecom. It is something like NZD$40 (about US$25) for 300 min of offpeak min. $1/min on peak hours... Forget about the daytime plans... They are 5 times more expansive. Since voice service is so expensive, most secondary and university students rely on text message for communication... Many of them are on prepaid as they cannot afford the monthly fee.

      Here comes to the point: many of them found $40 expensive, do they have the few hundred buck for texting? Students in general don't earn much. Some university students receive allowance from the government at a rate of $500/month. Accomodation can easily be more than that...

      IMO, the current chaos is created by the "all you can eat" mentality. I know many secondary students start sending bulk forward messages, joke etc... Before then, texting was for something more crucial like "I got stuck in the traffic", "Let's meet at xyz 7pm tonite"... It really catches Telecom off guard... We cannot exclude the possiblity that some of the texting records are broken with the aid of computers.

      Telecom is the bully in the local telco market... But, in this event, I don't blame them for cutting the $10 unlimited texting deal... It is clear since the first day that the $10 deal is a limited promotion with time limit...

    17. Re:hhmmm... by Mochatsubo · · Score: 1

      RTFA and use your head.

      The point is that he is sticking the company with whatever costs they incur for SMS.

      -m

    18. Re:hhmmm... by MSZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      IMO, the current chaos is created by the "all you can eat" mentality.

      Which is wrong... exactly why?

      Anyone offering flat rate, unlimited-for-fixed-price (all you can eat) takes on a risk. This is obvious for anyone with basic understanding of economy. The same happened with unlimited internet access - marketing made assumptions about usage patterns that turned out wrong.

      However in this case it may be simpler, as it seems somewhat to be bait and switch thing. Honest limited time offers say they are limited.

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    19. Re:hhmmm... by Esion+Modnar · · Score: 1
      Telecom pulls the bait and switch

      A telephone company pulling a bait and switch. Wow, that's never happened to me before. No, wait, it has.

      A couple times in the past (Ass Tonguers & Ticklers, and My Cock Itches), companies have called me to offer me some really low rates. I'd say, Wow, No Shit? Sign Me Up! They'd sign me up, then a couple weeks later I'd get an envelope from them saying what the deal really was (not anything close, no shit). And of course, the company would oh so innocently claim that I must have misunderstood the terms of the deal when I signed up. So I cancelled their lying asses first thing.

      Second offer I got, I wrote down in detail all the terms of the deal. Even had the guy repeat himself multiple times to verify. Two weeks later, same schlock. Then of course, cancelled their lying fucking asses.

      Now, the SOP is, if I get an amazing long distance offer, I say fine, send it to me in writing first.

      They never do.

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    20. Re:hhmmm... by lpret · · Score: 1

      My phone can send text messages to whole groups of people -- like my whole address book. So I could easily send 100 texts with one click of a button.

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    21. Re:hhmmm... by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 1

      I think the bigger story is how did this guy manage to get 8 hours of sleep every night? I'm lucky if I get six, most weekdays...

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    22. Re:hhmmm... by Zeinfeld · · Score: 1
      Pointless protest.. what he is really saying is "im too stupid to read a contract and now i feel victimized." This happens all the time here, as we tend to breed morons on a regular basis, and we really only have two major providers, Vodafone, and the loval version of telecom.

      "too stupid"

      Ah so if someone trusts what company advertises they must be stupid?

      This type of thinking is very bad business. Don't just take my word for it, take Barnum's autobiography. Barnum admitted having indulged in 'flim flam', false advertising etc. when he started out. But after a while he discovered that repeat business was more valuable. Flim flam is bad business.

      The cost of SMS messaging is a few cents per message. If prices in NZ are more than this its a regulatory failure.

      Yes, when companies are dishonest they get bitch-slapped with regulations. And in countries like NZ where you don't have Tom DeLay selling legislation wholesale the regulations stick.

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    23. Re:hhmmm... by sigaar · · Score: 1

      Ok, so are Telecom losing more by having to pay a couple of cents per message to Vodafone, than they're gaining by having snatched all those subsribers from Vodfone in the first place? Sometimes you have to lose a little somewhere to gain a lot somewhere else. Classic case of wanting too much too soon.

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    24. Re:hhmmm... by autophile · · Score: 1
      IMO, the current chaos is created by the "all you can eat" mentality.

      Which is wrong... exactly why?

      Tragedy of the Commons, maybe?

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    25. Re:hhmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Soviet New Zealand, text phones YOU.

    26. Re:hhmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm just waiting to see what acroynms you come up with for Verizon and T-Mobile.

    27. Re:hhmmm... by whereiswaldo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't most agreements with service companies include verbage like "conditions are subject to change [with|without] notice.."? In addition to often disclaiming that they aren't to blame if they don't actually provide adequate service or reliability. Agreements that are subject to change are fairly useless and all too common. But, we accept them.

    28. Re:hhmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's called applescript + bluetooth enabled mac & phone. several hours later the messages are all sent.
      it's also probably one of the most expensive way to IM.

    29. Re:hhmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhh... risk with unlimited internet access?

      Is that why you can't really purchase blocks of time anymore in the U.S.? :)

    30. Re:hhmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      3. AppleScript knowledge

      Phew, that was close. If any OSX user knew how to program Applescript, we might have been in big trouble. Thanks to apple for keeping idiots from being able to program computers.

    31. Re:hhmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      many people received an assurance from Telecom store clerks in person that the $10 deal was guaranteed for a long time (years to decades)

      Those people work on a commission basis. It's not hard to imagine that quite a few of them are unethical when it comes to stuff like this.

      The telco shouldn't really be held liable for promises that those people made. The people who have gotten bitten by this should visit the shop where the assurances were made, complain to the management and point out the person that made those promises. If they don't give you some very generous compensation willingly, go higher up and complain to the corporate offices, saying you have a problem with a local branch. If that still doesn't work, threaten a lawsuit.

    32. Re:hhmmm... by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      " How did this man grow two extra thumbs to key in those 80,000 messages? ;) "

      Heh. He probably just hooked up his phone to his laptop and sent the messages through it. The first time I hooked up my T68i to my laptop and got all the software installed, my instant messages appeared in Outlook. It'd be REAL easy to keep sending messages over and over again that way.

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    33. Re:hhmmm... by ThisIsFred · · Score: 1
      Warning: Offtopic, moderate as necessary

      Anyone offering flat rate, unlimited-for-fixed-price (all you can eat) takes on a risk. This is obvious for anyone with basic understanding of economy. The same happened with unlimited internet access - marketing made assumptions about usage patterns that turned out wrong.
      Wow, I wonder how long before this wisdom is applied to universal healthcare, flat-rate water usage, averaged electricity billing, and municipal garbage collection. I wouldn't use the term "risk", I'd use the term "sure thing". If price-rationing is such a bad thing, then how do the alternatives look: Quantity-rationing or time-rationing... Sans price competition.
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    34. Re:hhmmm... by Ironica · · Score: 1

      "too stupid"

      Ah so if someone trusts what company advertises they must be stupid?


      What you're replying to is someone who said that the contract specified that the offer was limited time and could be revoked with one month's notice. The advertisement didn't say otherwise.

      Not quite the same as the internet companies who advertise "unlimited" broadband and then, when someone's costing them too much money, start reining them in, without changing their "unlimited" policy.

      The cost of SMS messaging is a few cents per message. If prices in NZ are more than this its a regulatory failure.

      And, let's see: at $10/month (which I'm assuming is $10 NZD, which is about $6.22 USD) for 500 text messages, that's charging 1.24 US cents per text message. So your point here seems to be that New Zealand charges less for text messaging than we do here in the US, and that the company was entirely fair in pricing $10 NZD for 500 messages?

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    35. Re:hhmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fucking retard.

      Find a "all you can eat" electricity provider.

      FUCKWIT!

    36. Re:hhmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If that still doesn't work, threaten a lawsuit.

      This isn't in America mate. We don't run to the lawyers every time somebody breaks a nail. We'll just get a few beers under our belts and clock 'em upside the head.

    37. Re:hhmmm... by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Why does he need to? AT&T Wireless (I know, different company) is The Evil Cell Phone Company. They fuck you on prepaid, they fuck you on GSM (by breaking their national map, and saying everything on their local map is on their national map, when it's really only when the phone says "AT&T Wireless" on the screen, which is a VERY small area), they fuck you so many different ways. I've got a JE on this somewhere...

      Anyway, (Sprint) PCS stands for Pretty (good) Cellular Service, not Paid Cock Suckers. Prices are OK for voice, and $15/mo for unlimited Vision (wireless web) service? Combine that with ReqWireless WebViewer ($10), and you've got it made.

    38. Re:hhmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why I suggested complaining directly and then escalating the issue before resorting to legal threats.

    39. Re:hhmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Australia at least, all such changes to agreements are required by law to be 'with notice' -- and if you do not agree with the changes, you may cancel the agreement without penalty. Really, if it was legal for companies to change a contract part way through without you having any say in it, they would change from "$5/year for unlimited broadband!" to "$5/second for 20kbps broadband!" as soon as you'd signed the 24 month contract ...

      (IANAL.)

  3. were the messages spam? by Barbarian · · Score: 5, Funny

    hi2u want big penis message back plz

    1. Re:were the messages spam? by erice · · Score: 1

      hi2u want big penis message back plz

      That might explain where the extra "thumb" came from.

    2. Re:were the messages spam? by jonasj · · Score: 2, Funny

      "* Mod parent up! by Anonymous Coward (Score:5) Thurs, June 31, @13:37"

      Best. Sig. Ever.

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    3. Re:were the messages spam? by Barbarian · · Score: 1

      "Best. Sig. Ever."

      Nah, it gets me the occasional vengeful moderator who will use up his mod. points marking me as a troll on my last 5 threads. I'm pretty sure it's always the same guy as perfectly fine week old posts suddenly become "Troll".

      It's okay, I got /. karma to burn on crazy moderators. I had 50 back in the day when you could still see it, and I've been accumulating it since the early days of the current slashdot moderating system.

  4. owch by ResQuad · · Score: 1

    Well that is alot of text messages, but I wouldnt want to have that phone bill, even if it was a mistake.

    I think that would make me cry... alot.

    1. Re:owch by wo1verin3 · · Score: 1, Informative

      RTFA. :) At the time of sending he still had unlimited text messages for $6.95 a month. These messages were sent before they stopped the unlimited text messages.

      Now he'll only get 1000 text messages for $6.95 :)

    2. Re:owch by sjwt · · Score: 1

      Read the top of htis page agine.. you know the bit about the mistaken $2000 bill for 40,000 SMS due to a software error.. :)

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  5. You know... by Ikn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think this entire 'unlimited' offering is silly...it seems we're seeing more and more cases of some group of customers that basically exceed whatever the company expects the realistic extreme to be, and the company simply creates a cap. An ISP might offer unlimited bandwidth, the the minute a few people start managing to pull down 20gig a day, or say, a phone company customer base starts sending 10,000 text messages a day, we start seeing things like this. We know there's a reasonable extreme to be expected in any service like this, and it'd be nice of the companies responsbile just gave a good limit (1 gig of free e-mail, anyone?) that most people won't get close to hitting, but is big enough to keep users coming in.

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    1. Re:You know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the company limits the use to a reasonable number, everyone tries to reach it at the end of the month, 'cause they don't want to waste what they have left for free. This may result in a higher number of text messages sent or at least really high traffic at the end of the month.

    2. Re:You know... by mandalayx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Understood, but the minute that you put a cap on your "unlimited" service, please stop calling your service "unlimited".

      Comcast, anybody?

    3. Re:You know... by DaMeatGrinder · · Score: 1
      The issue is not so cut-and-dry.

      As soon as you start advertising caps, you open the door to pissing contests. Like we are seeing between web-mail vendors regarding storage space (GMail, Yahoo!, and their ilk)

      ISPs avoid competitive disadvantage by advertising services as "unlimited". ISPs regulate use by casting "over-use" as abuse which will be curtailed.

      In fact, the best scenario for the ISP is to scare the user base into self-monitoring to avoid the Bandwidth Police. Ambiguous limits and shady enforcement policies foster a sense of unease among users.

      I'm wondering... what happens when someone writes a POP-fs plug-in and turns gmail into a networked filesystem?

    4. Re:You know... by Alsee · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The issues is that they DID advertize flat rate unlimited messaging in order to grab customers, and many customers had to spend $300 and get a new phone number to make that switch.

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    5. Re:You know... by zakezuke · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think this entire 'unlimited' offering is silly..

      We're talking SMS messaging here. When you can get phones with internet access and support for msn / yahoo / aim-icq you tend to expect it's all covered in your monthly fee, because it is. Unless you would have me believe it's more costly to offer SMS messaging rather then yahoo over mobile.

      10,000 text messages a day is nothing like 20gig a day on an ISP. assuming your average message is 128 bytes this is 1.25MB a day. At 110 baud a reasonable typing speed this would be all day. At 2400 baud that's like an hour of use, at phone speeds this is squat. 20gigs a day on an ISP for your average joe cable user would be all day use. Filling up a hard drive in a matter of days is excessive, but typing speeds are not likely to max out network speeds that are measured in KB/sec.

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    6. Re:You know... by kfg · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Ambiguous limits and shady enforcement policies foster a sense of unease among users.

      Yeah, and it's always good to have your customers uneasy about using your service.

      When I owned an R/C track I offered unlimited practice for three bucks a driver a day. I told people flat out that they could show up at opening with the wife and kiddies bearing a picnic basket and stay until closing for their three bucks.

      And some people did, and it was a real pain in the ass because I wasn't the sort to just take their money and sit behind the counter ignoring them all day. I considered my customers my guests and treated them as such, making sure music they liked was playing, the sort of racing tapes they liked were on the TV, helped them set up their cars and even played with their kids so that they'd be free to play with their cars.

      That's a lot of work for three bucks.

      But I didn't consider these people as abusing my policy. I set my policy. My policy was my policy.

      And I had a lot of happy customers who loved coming to my place and hanging out, who felt free to just pop in for a few minutes or a few hours. Who never felt they had to carefully schedule their visits so they came more often.

      So I had more customers overall, because they were all happy.

      KFG

    7. Re:You know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I understand it's business, but I'm certain that because it's business they did some research and forecasting customer usage patterns. After that they decided to sell an "unlimited" package. They did their forecast, probably short sighted, and now want to back out of the deal? I don't like it.

      Some ISPs consider "unlimited" to be "within a reasonable frame" and I don't buy that either. Don't advertise what you're not planning on providing. Otherwise it's just lies. Many people seem to think that taking "unlimited" at face value is naive. I don't think so.

      I live in Tokyo, and have had a 12Mbps downstream, 1.5Mbps upstream ADSL line for 2 years. During the time, I had a server up for 24/7, along with a DynDNS domain, and had a web server and FTP server running. The web server was just a few average personal web pages, and one dev. page I used with a PHP/MySQL backend. They didn't get all that much traffic. But my FTP server was being used a LOT amongst friends, very often for trading off-site backups amongst each other, and also for copying documents from work and to home, etc. This actually ate up most of the bandwidth. I don't have an accurate count, but I was deffinitely transfering more than 20gigs per month. My provider never complained. They even gave me a semi-static IP which was "we've set things up so you get the same IP address, but if for some reason it gives you a new IP one day, no complaining." It never did change IPs for 2 years though.

      3 months ago I got a new 100Mbps fiber optic line. Consumer grade broadband deal, something like $55 a month, which in reality gets about 35Mbps to 45Mbps up and down. I have several other friends that have the same setup, so we've been backing up a little more than "just the essentials" and now have multiple generations of each others backups. I guestimate that the transfer rate is around 1Gb/day. Still no complaints.

      So for the nay sayers, it can be done. Unlimited really can mean unlimited, and I do think those that are complaining have a legitimate reason to do so. It's not like they're getting on the heels of these providers for some nitty gritty detail, or technicality, or some other rather obvious loop hole. They're trying to stick one of the BIGGEST parts of the deal ("unlimited!") to the man. If corporate planning was at fault, then that's the corporations problems, not the users!

    8. Re:You know... by sfe_software · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think this entire 'unlimited' offering is silly...

      Agreed. If the company providing the service could truly offer "unlimited" service (can't even think of any examples, but I'm sure they exist) then it's fine. In most cases, however, "unlimited" simply doesn't fly, and you'll find (especially in the web hosting/ISP business) deep in the AUP/TOS something like "...unless you use more than x in one month...", eg, "unlimited as long as you stay within the limites".

      I can't see that text messages could possibly cost that much to process (my provider (Cingular), where I do not have text messaging as part of my plan, charges 10 cents per message). It's simple ASCII text, generally very short, and has to use far less bandwidth than a phone conversaion. Yet, a phone conversation to the very same person you're text messaging with would be a lot cheaper (or pretty much free)... I think they're charging crazy fees simply because it's a new fad, and they can...

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    9. Re:You know... by sjwt · · Score: 4, Informative

      Phone companys have to pay the other phonecomapanys for sending an SMS though there network..

      Its not like that internet backbone monopoly Ameriaca has over the rest of the world where all ISPs share there bandwidth for next to noting.

      each one of those SMSs could of cost the phonecompany 5-10cents..

      Not that im saying the company didnt deserve it,
      unlimited is after all, unlimited..

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    10. Re:You know... by sfe_software · · Score: 1

      ISPs avoid competitive disadvantage by advertising services as "unlimited". ISPs regulate use by casting "over-use" as abuse which will be curtailed.

      Actually (I used to work for a hosting provider), it seems that the latest trend is to offer "unmetered" bandwidth -- which I'm not entirely sure I get but I'm sure there's a loophole. I suspect (much like "unlimited") that once you hit a certain amount of data transfer, they suddenly start metering (which of course implies that you've been metered all along anyway)...

      The host I worked for changed their plans in 1998, specifying a specific monthly data transfer included with each plan, and the cost per gig beyond that. It was hard to compete with "unlimited" or "unmetered" hosts, but the more tech savvy (majority of our customers) appreciated knowing what they were getting in advance.

      As for unlimited text messaging -- how much could it possibly cost to process a text message? Seems it would be easier than a phone call (routing, etc), yet a phone call is most times cheaper or even free (from the same cell phones). That's what I don't get... ...and even though I don't have any text messaging included with my plan, I still receive them and it costs me 10 cents or so per message received (and I usually respond by calling the person and asking them to just call me in the future... much easier and cheaper that way...

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    11. Re:You know... by Apogee · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You are completely right. "Unlimit" is always within some limits, as every company who actually pays something to a provider upstream to offer this service would be on the slippery slope to extinction , if they wouldn't care how much you use the "unlimited" service.

      Unlimited is a marketing ploy, nothing more and nothing less.

      Point in case, a DSL provider in Germany offers a no-transfer-limit DSL account. I have just read that they regularly (every month or so) identify those users who pull more than 20GB per month, and send them a polite letter, offering them 100 Euros (100-something US$), if they terminate their account at once. Moreover, they can keep the DSL router and other hardware they got for free when signing up. Basically, they're saying, we don't want you, here's some cash if you leave right away (and sign a statement that you won't re-apply for their service if you keep up your downloading habits).

    12. Re:You know... by fifthchild · · Score: 1

      Cheers to this. I'm in Tokyo as well and my unlimited use connection is indeed unlimited. If my hard drive was any bigger there would be a lot more coming in but it suits me just fine knowing that I can use as much as I need (webcam to talk to the folks back home, ect) and never have to worry about complaints or capping.

      Mind you, the broadband boom is happening here at a comparitively delayed rate, I can remember friends getting 'unlimited' deals only to have caps slammed on when it got out of control. Computers in homes here are increasing but are not taken for granted. This is gradually changing and I can't help but think the crunch will come soon. But for now, no worries.

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    13. Re:You know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      1. Comcast, anybody?

      I don't trust them either for a variety of reasons. Marketing wise, WTF is "100% broadband"? Bits are bits...it's fast or not, what's 100% got to do with it?

    14. Re:You know... by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      Phone companys have to pay the other phonecomapanys for sending an SMS though there network..... Its not like that internet backbone monopoly Ameriaca has over the rest of the world where all ISPs share there bandwidth for next to noting.

      If you are talking *America*, you're wrong. Phone companies don't have to actually pay to use someone else's network. Every mobile website in america that I'm aware of has a nice option of doing it over IP directly to their website. All you would need is a script that would convert the sms into a url, access their website, and poof the text is sent. Assuming the telco still has a modem line setup for this you can send it to their network for free.

      In the past, i've used such techniques with pagers to communicate to machines, to provide them with simple commands like disable the alarm, reboot the machine, export xeyes to the staff's computer.

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    15. Re:You know... by rd4tech · · Score: 1

      It's not the bandwidth they are paying, its the salaries of those people + infrastructure +investments in new technology.
      It just happens that the rate of bandwith / $ is way not equal to sms/$. SO you cannot just compare them, they are different earning sources.
      But you are right, once you have the infrastructure set up right (which they had) the actuall cost of the sms transfer is 0.

    16. Re:You know... by lazybeam · · Score: 1

      If it costs you to receive a message then it should be stoppable? Otherwise there is something wrong. I firmly believe in CPP (Calling Party Pays) and here in Australia it costs 25c to send an SMS or 70c to send a MMS, and nothing to receive. (the sending costs might be less on some networks).

      We now have "premium SMS" with 188xxxx and these cost at least 55c to sms to (eg Big Brother voting) and are the SMS version of 1900 numbers. (IMHO It should have been say 199xxxx as 1800 is traditionally freecalls and 190x is premium)

      Remember the SMS passes through an "SMS server", so sending the SMS is like a short data call to that number (0411990001 for me) then that "calls" the destination number. And with overheads the size of the message is about 1k.

      And as to the "unmetered bandwidth" it shouldn't be metered at all; it is just a different word for "unlimited" but since it is impossible to download an unlimited amount of data (your link speed is finite, eg the max I can download is just over 400GB/month maxing out my link 24/7) they are being more accurate.

      Around here most (broadband) ISPs offer some "unmetered" content (eg a mirror FTP or peer to peer traffic), and virtually all ISPs have x GB per month plans before either being shaped (rate-limit to 20 to 72kbps for the rest of the month, from your 256, 512 or 1536 kbps ADSL service) or being charged more (typically between 0.4c to 10c per MB). All numbers quoted here depend on the ISP but are usually constant ISP-wide.

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    17. Re:You know... by ePhil_One · · Score: 1
      each one of those SMSs could of cost the phonecompany 5-10cents..

      And they could have gone to the other carrier and asked to re-negotiate the terms, 5-10 cents per message is insane. First they'll save money by not spending time counting and billing all those messages, with the simple hammer that if you don't, we'll stop forwarding the messages to you. Obviously they have a big chunk of the texters, and if their plan is cheaper its a nice way to steal even more customers.

      That rate was probably set ages ago, when no one understood the usage it would get and the interaction was considered "complex"BR

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    18. Re:You know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This all boils down to a fundamental error in the way communications services are charged.

      The current cost structure for communications is base capital cost, the cost of providing services is static no matter how much it's used, and available capacity exceeds usage by a huge margin. The pricing structure, however, is still stuck in the 1930's America where phone lines were rare, expensive, and frequently overloaded, so AT&T charged per-minute pricing (even for local calls) to discourage overuse.

      What the telcos (all of them) need to realize is that charging per-unit fees for digital traffic makes no sense. If they would align all charging structures with the actual cost basis, they'd be able to charge appropriate flat-rate pricing on just about everything, based on the speed of access (i.e. SMS is really slow traffic, so it's cheap but 3Mbit/sec internet is pretty fast traffic, so it costs a lot more). They'd also be a lot easier to audit, and their internal cost-vs-income analyses would be much more accurate, which explains a lot of the MCI/Worldcom debacle.

      Most U.S. telcos are starting to do this type of pricing (and working deals to carry one-anothers' traffic on similar terms, although they're still a long way from flat-rate interconnects) as a way to woo customers for local/LD combined phone service and stave-off the VOIP threat. The NZ telcos seem to be a bit behind in terms of carrying SMS and similar traffic on the basis of actual (fixed)cost structures, rather than the (presumably)high-margin (but unstable) per-message pricing.

      Of course, the kicker in this argument is that U.S. taxing and tariff regulations still need to change to permit bandwidth-based tariffs, rather than the usage-based tariffs currently imposed, and I suspect the NZ regs are similar in this regard.

    19. Re:You know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is 4.6 texts per minute assuming that they only did it for half a day at a time.

      I am guessing these 100,000 message per month customers are spammers?

    20. Re:You know... by Daleks · · Score: 1

      Phone companys have to pay the other phonecomapanys for sending an SMS though there network..

      each one of those SMSs could of cost the phonecompany 5-10cents..

      It's not as high as 5-10 cents, but the companies still have to pay each other based on contract agreements for interoperability. The hardware costs for a carrier sending a text message to their own clients is enormous. SS7 connectivity is millions of dollars for small fries, and ridiculous amounts more for larger ones. It isn't like IP networks where you plug in your Linksys router and you're good to go. Also, SMSC's can cost $1million+ alone (good ones) that have per second message rate limits on them. If the rate limit is exceeded, the owning company gets billed extra and the SMSC can even shut itself down.

    21. Re:You know... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Unlimited (in terms of artificial restrictions) service is available in one form fairly readily: dialup internet. Sure, you can only go so fast, but some companies still let you stay connected as much as you want, send any kind of non-obnoxious traffic, et cetera. Not every dialup service is like this, but many are. If you abuse it, it can be taken away, which makes sense.

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    22. Re:You know... by mandalayx · · Score: 1

      Awesome!

      1. Download 20+ GB
      2. ???
      3. Profit!

    23. Re:You know... by costas · · Score: 1

      I know only a little bit about GSM, but I can tell you that SMSs are nearly free: they are not time-sensitive and they travel along the "control channel" that GSM requires between the phone and the base station, plus they compress down to practically nothing. As far as going from company to company goes, GSM carriers are networked together already (to enable roaming, IMEI blocking, etc), so the data channels are there anyway. SMSs travel over free capacity essentially. So, no, an SMS shouldn't be costing them more than fractions of a penny...

    24. Re:You know... by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      "An ISP might offer unlimited bandwidth, the the minute a few people start managing to pull down 20gig a day"

      I believe the issue with ISPs was that everybody thought it was for unlimited BANDWIDTH when in reality they were selling unlimited ACCESS. Ie. you can logon whenever you want and be connected 24/7. They just didn't want you transferring any significant amount of data during that time.

      So legally I believe they are in the clear, however that is some of the most deceptive advertising I've ever seen, and I'm in the advertising industry.

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    25. Re:You know... by sjwt · · Score: 1

      Then why when i make a phone call am i charged a 25 conection fee??

      After all, the conection takes the same effort,
      if not less then an SMS(ie if i try to phone someone and they have turned there phone off, the phone company dosent keep trying to send the phonecall when i hang up, where as with an SMS it will stay in the system)

      I can make a 10 minute phoncall after hours for
      the conection fee alone, whilst during the peek time, its the conection fee + 25 cents each 30 seconds..

      I make a 1 second phoncall and its 55 cents..

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  6. Re:Sad news ... Ronald Reagan, dead at 93 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    God damnit, why the hell did you have to go off-topic? Wrong thread dumbass.

    Anyways, text messaging rules. Don't pay, f'em!

  7. The real question is... by nordicfrost · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ...who the hell recieved them? My cellphone can hold something like 200 SMS before rejecting (making the telco retry after a while) the messages. Also, this is up to 12801920 bytes of text, excluding control bytes...


    Little over a year ago, there was an MMS war between the telcos here in Norway and all MMS messages were free of charge. The price war continued for half a year and I save a lot on using MMS to send text instead of SMS.

    1. Re:The real question is... by 0bilix · · Score: 1

      According to the original story at http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2928008a28,00. html, this guy "... texted his friends a simple: "Hi. How are you?" message over and over again. He also texted a redundant Sim card taken out of an old phone so he did not annoy his friends too much.".

    2. Re:The real question is... by logic-gate · · Score: 1

      He was on the local radio last week, and he said he sent the bulk of the messages to one of his friend's inactive sim cards.

    3. Re:The real question is... by aiabx · · Score: 1

      So what's that 40,000 messages per friend? Theat's more than I would like to receive in a month.
      -aiabx

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    4. Re:The real question is... by smiff · · Score: 1
      this is up to 12801920 bytes of text

      That is 26 minutes and 40 seconds of voice grade audio. At $0.30 per minute, it would cost less than $10 to send that much data. At $10.60 per minute, it would cost $282.70 to transfer 12 MB. On their old pricing plan, it would have cost him $16,002.40 to send 80,012 messages!

  8. wait a minute by Turismo86 · · Score: 3, Funny

    so his plan was that by showing them that more messages were sent when the company charged for them , somehow this company would decide against the extra income and return to free text messages. Hmmm, well we can't all be geniuses.

    1. Re:wait a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. According to another poster, he sent these messages in the last month of free SMS.

  9. It's possible by dncsky1530 · · Score: 5, Informative

    You can send tons of text messages with programs like this
    And with sites like CellularOneWest you can send up to 12 at a time.

    1. Re:It's possible by JackRabbitSlims · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, that isn't quite like it, as those services use no phone to deliver/receive the messsages, just a web interface.
      I really doubt he was manually sending them. There are very easy ways to send those messages with a regular Nokia and a dedicated cable for the PC. Software like Oxygen would do the rest for you.
      Now, for the really professional way, get on of these babys. Basically a stripped GSM phone with great communication capabilities. You can get about 1 SMS each 2 seconds sent all right.

    2. Re:It's possible by CelticLo · · Score: 1

      Several companies offer PCMCIA cards that are essentially cell phones. The newest ones even support G3 internet. All these cards support SMS texting via a app on the laptop.
      Still doesn't explain where he was sending them. Yes, he may have been bombarding a similar setup at the phone companies end, but if that was shutdown then you'd just get a ton of failure mesages,

    3. Re:It's possible by Master+Cougar · · Score: 1

      A dedicated cable for a nokia? Which, I've looked and could not find one. Please elaborate.

    4. Re:It's possible by JackRabbitSlims · · Score: 1

      Check here. Also you can get the software from nokia as well as the cable , like in this package. I myself have the DAU-9P cable.
      Aside from the oficial cable, there's plenty other makers around that make compatible cables as well.

  10. Costs outweigh the advantages by Bill_Royle · · Score: 4, Funny

    Considering the cost increase he'd probably be paying for the charged messages, the costs for carpal tunnel surgery will likely outweigh any savings he would have had if his campaign had worked.

    1. Re:Costs outweigh the advantages by logic-gate · · Score: 3, Informative
      At a maximum rate of 20 cents a text message, Ray would have tallied a bill of more than $10,060 for his protest.

      Actually the story is inaccurate - the text caps only came into action a few days ago. The guy actually spent the last month of the "all you can text" promotion to send his 80,000 texts and therefore was only out of pocket by NZ$10.

    2. Re:Costs outweigh the advantages by Talez · · Score: 1

      the costs for carpal tunnel surgery

      Paying money for surgery? What the hell kind of 3rd world nation do you live in?

    3. Re:Costs outweigh the advantages by nlh · · Score: 2, Informative

      At a maximum rate of 20 cents a text message, Ray would have tallied a bill of more than $10,060 for his protest.

      Hate to be the grammar Nazi here, but the story is not inaccurate -- "would have spent" is the third conditional, which refers to "a condition in the past that did not happen.". So it's not saying he spent the money, it's saying that if he had NOT been on the unlimited plan, he would have spent it.

  11. This is the kind of man... by zeruch · · Score: 0, Troll

    ...that falls into the 'genetic-cul-de-sac' category of mental development. What an utterly insipid "protest".

    1. Re:This is the kind of man... by zeruch · · Score: 1

      So I've been modded a troll? So be it. I still maintain that someone willing to dedicate this much burning of lean tissue above the neck to such a moronic effort, when he could have done any number of other measure to get attention reasonably...is the result of a complete imbecile. It's like a juvenile PR stunt that gets the man nothing other then sore thumbs and a mention on /.

    2. Re:This is the kind of man... by zeruch · · Score: 1

      And I take it you fall into the 'wingeing self-absorbed commonwealth git' category.

      It still strikes me as unproductive and juvenile. I'm not defending the idiot $FIRM, just his reponse to it.

  12. Cell Provider Targeting Spam by shirai · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The cap doesn't seem that unreasonable as it is probably protecting other text messaging users from spam.

    According to the article, some users were sending 100,000 messages per month. This is the equivalent of 3,333 messages per day. There doesn't seem to be much in the way of legitimate uses for this many messages except for commercial dispatch (for example) but in those instances, those companies should be expected to pay. I mean, as a messaging user, I sure don't want to subsidize a dispatch company for their commercial usage of the feature.

    Perhaps the limit is a little too low but I personally don't see many people using an average of more than 33 messages per day. Note this is average and not, for example, one bad day with the server going up and down all the time.

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    1. Re:Cell Provider Targeting Spam by twoshortplanks · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I could easily use the quantity of text messages a day for personal reasons. Imagine I've got two computers connected to mobile phones, one monitoring something in a remote location another at home connected to the net. The remote machine sends five different values every minute to the net connected machine that thne publishes them on a website.

      Sure, you might say that I'm abusing the system, but hey, I signed up for unlimited text messages, so that's what I expected to get. If they didn't want it to be unlimited why didn't they just say '500 free messages a day' or something.

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    2. Re:Cell Provider Targeting Spam by wo1verin3 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well thats exactly what they're doing now, defining the rules and giving people a warning before it happened. I say bravo to the phone company for being honest and up front.

      As for Rogers cable as an ISP... if you have a freaking cap then tell your users!

    3. Re:Cell Provider Targeting Spam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actualy Telecom (the offending company) gave the reasion that people were using the unlimited rate to abuse other users (flooding them with hundreds of abusive texts). Especialy to users of other cell services who didn't have the flat texting rate and couldn't respond in kind.

      Of course what with Telecom being the devil incarnate (have somehow managed to prevent the unbundling of the local loop, which means, amongst other things, they have a monopoly over DSL, the major broadband option in New Zealand) one finds it difficult to believe anything other than saving money is their motive.

    4. Re:Cell Provider Targeting Spam by thogard · · Score: 1

      How can Telecom be the devil incarnate when Telsra is also a choice?

    5. Re:Cell Provider Targeting Spam by __aafkqj3628 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Telstra's nice to us.

      (Apart from their money-sucking pairing deals... bastards).

    6. Re:Cell Provider Targeting Spam by __aafkqj3628 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think the real reason was economic -

      In order for people to send an SMS from the Telecom to Vodafone network (BTW, these are the ONLY two mobile networks in this country), Telecom has to pay Vodafone $0.13, per SMS.
      When you're only charging your customers $10 a month for a potentially unlimited stream of messages to another network, it only takes 77 before you break-even.
      Given the popularity of SMS in this country, I'd say that most customers who went for this deal were doing a shit-load more than that.

    7. Re:Cell Provider Targeting Spam by thogard · · Score: 1

      So how long have you been in psychotherapy for delusion? I hope you get better soon.

    8. Re:Cell Provider Targeting Spam by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      I guess you missed all that time where they were the worst abuser of the global BGP tables?

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  13. It's crazy by Piranhaa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What i've always wondered on my plan, is why text messaging costs more than phoning. I'm on pay and talk at the moment, while phoning costs like 5 cents per minute, and texting costs 15 cents per message. It's crazy! Texting takes longer to type, you can only get like 140 CHARACTERS per message, and yet it costs 3 times more! I dont know, but texting should be like internet, you pay a certain fee per month, and you get unlimited messaging. What cost for bandwidth does a little bit of words cost???

    1. Re:It's crazy by Baricom · · Score: 1

      Exactly. I would imagine that text messaging doesn't exactly cost a lot to transmit. Seeing that some providers charge as little as 2 cents to receive a text message, the cost to send and receive messages has to be fractions of a cent.

    2. Re:It's crazy by Joff_NZ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In New Zealand, text messages are normally 20 cents to send, wheras phone calls are around $1 - $2 per min. Text messaging is very popular in NZ as a result.

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    3. Re:It's crazy by Trillan · · Score: 1

      What cost? Well, almost none, but in North America they can get away with it. I pay a couple dollars a month to get a bundle o fa few hundred messages. That's a better way of handling it, IMO.

    4. Re:It's crazy by bdash · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what plans you're using, but where I am in New Zealand phone calls from cellular phones tend to be between $0.49 and $0.99 a minute. :-)

    5. Re:It's crazy by TummyX · · Score: 1

      Because it's convenient and a method of communication that people are willing to pay that much for?

      If the expensive overwhelmed the convenience then you'd see people calling (only 5c a minute after all) rather than txting.

    6. Re:It's crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's got nothing to do with how much it costs the telecoms company and everything to do with how much the market will bear. The fact is, a huge number of people find a quick text message more convenient than phoning somebody, and they are willing to pay for that convenience. So the telecoms company charge as much as they can without turning too many people away from text messages.

    7. Re:It's crazy by thogard · · Score: 2, Informative

      NZ has crazy interconnect fees. The result is that a typical pre-pay plan its the same or cheaper to call London than a phone in New Zealand. The plan my kiwi sim is on works fine in Australia with no extra roaming fees but its just as cheap to call a land line in the UK or US than a another mobile in NZ with the same company. With Orange in Oz, it costs half as much to call Canada as it does to call a landline in the same town your in.

    8. Re:It's crazy by wfberg · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's worse than 3 times as expensive. Three minutes of standard GSM-encoded voice traffic equals about 9600 * 60 * 3 / 8 = 216000 bytes of traffic (ignoring encoding etc, since we're looking at payload). Those 140 bytes (7 bits * 160 chars) in an SMS message are 0.065% of that amount of data. Round it up to 0.1% to allow for reliable delivery and routing overhead, that's 1000 times as expensive.

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    9. Re:It's crazy by amembleton · · Score: 1

      I'm in the UK on an online o2 pay as you talk tarrif.

      It costs me:
      10p(18c)/min to phone a landline or someone else on o2.
      35p(63c)/min to phone a mobile on a different network.
      10p(18c) to send a text message (160 chrs).
      25p(45c) to send an MMS

      If I top up with 10 of credit I get 300 free text messages for the next month or 200 text and 25 MMS. They don't cost me 10($18), I just have to add that much credit to my phone. I can spend that 10 on calls.

      Its a pretty good tarrif as I prefer to text than to talk. I can lay out exactly what I want to get across, and I don't have to worry about a large bill cos I know I've got loads of them for free.

    10. Re:It's crazy by Master+Cougar · · Score: 1

      What cost? Sounds like the same question people who wonder why they have to pay for internet access. It does cost money to the server, computer time, communication systems and fees.

    11. Re:It's crazy by Eustace+Tilley · · Score: 1

      People can buy unlimited GPRS internet for $20 per month and use an Instant Message service to send all the text they can key in.

    12. Re:It's crazy by IncohereD · · Score: 1

      If the expensive overwhelmed the convenience then you'd see people calling (only 5c a minute after all) rather than txting.

      I use it a lot to keep in touch with a friend who's a flight attendant. Her number is long distance for me, and she'll often be roaming, so it would cost us both more than 5 cents a minute. But yes, I got a text package.

    13. Re:It's crazy by Trillan · · Score: 1

      SMS are sent over TCP/IP. What's the marginal cost to send a 100 byte packet over an unsaturated cellular network, over TCP/IP, and down through another unsaturated cellular network?

      I guarantee you it isn't $0.25, which is what my cell company wants.

  14. What a rate! by EkiM+in+De · · Score: 1

    He was sending about 2 1/2 messages a minute for 16 hours a day! He must have been using a data cable and a program to send all those messages. I know I would have gone completely loopy sending the same message 2,500 times a day.

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    1. Re:What a rate! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was probably a GNAA member. They do stuff like that all the time.

  15. OMG by dazst · · Score: 3, Funny
    Did he actually thumb-type 2,580 messages every day ?
    <?php
    foreach ($phonelist as $phone)
    mail($phone,"Hi, how are you?",$nullmsg);
    ?>
    1. Re:OMG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, he didn't have to type those messages, only send. You can send same message over and over again without typing it everytime...
      but you never know what the guys like that are willing to do to make their point.

      Anyway, my conclusion: Insanity.

  16. successfully defeated the purpose by Begemot · · Score: 1

    I guess that after spamming his own friends nobody wants to be his friend so why would he need an unlimited msg account?

  17. It's not that hard... by ebsf1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    It was on the news here. He was sending the same message to all the users in his addressbook with the send to all function of his phone. So if you have a hundred ppl listed it can add up pretty quick.

    1. Re:It's not that hard... by fluf · · Score: 2, Informative

      yeah that was what I was thinking too...

      Okay, that's a lot of messages when looking at it, but reading the article, he sent the same message over and over again.

      On my Sony-Ericsson T68i, I can save a message as some kind of draft so I don't have to retype it, and I can send it to several people in one go (kinda like sending a carbon copy e-mail)

      Just go to: messages > SMS > Templates.

      Not to rain on his parade, because the number in itself is still impressive, but it's not like he typed 80k-odd different messages.

      And I sure hope he didn't type the same message over and over again... poor sod!

    2. Re:It's not that hard... by BigAl_nz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It was on the news here. He was sending the same message to all the users in his addressbook with the send to all function of his phone. So if you have a hundred ppl listed it can add up pretty quick.

      It's not said in that short article, but I'm pretty sure it's the same guy that I read about a week or so ago. And he was sending the bulk of the SMS's to a spare SIM card that he had, so that he wouldn't annoy all his friends. Small mercies I suppose.

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  18. But wait...There's more! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only 80,012 msgs...you little puss! You didnt even make the 100,000 msg mark.

    Telecom spokeswoman Helen Isbister said a handful of people had sent more than 100,000 text messages in May.

  19. Text messaging was free at the beginning by tronicum · · Score: 2, Informative
    In Germany, text messaging (as we call it SMS = Short Message Service) was free within the eplus GSM network (started 1994) was free for all users until they introduced small fee (a cheaper rate as now!).

    At that time, some phones were even only capable off recieving them (or just resetted if you sent "large" SMS with 160 chars).

    So try to calculate how much 1 MB of transfer it costs with texting. GPRS is a little bit cheaper (at least in Europe) and UMTS will cut some costs as well. Problem is that you can not send direct messages as all the data connections get private IPs within their networks (and they firewall a bit)

    1. Re:Text messaging was free at the beginning by kunudo · · Score: 1

      Just set up your own kannel wap gateway. Use your own gateway instead of the one your provider gives you (it's in your wap settings). They might block it though (my provider started blocking this last month)... But if they do, you should complain, because there's no legit reason to keep you from connecting to your own servers, when it's clearly possible, and requires no effort on their part. Oh, take a look at push too. You can use Kannel for this. You might need a way to get content to the mobile net though, to send sms.

    2. Re:Text messaging was free at the beginning by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

      Well whatever it costs, it ought not be nearly as much as voice. A voice connection uses, at a minimum, 8kbps, more if it can for quality. That means each second, a voice connection uses 1024 bytes. That's why it is so silly the fees some companies charge for text service. A 10 minute call is worth a hundred text messages, yet those hundred text messages will often cost far more.

  20. money lost by taggat · · Score: 1

    "You can only take my money for so long before you take it all and I say enough!"

    1. Re:money lost by caitsith01 · · Score: 1

      "I may not know much about horses but I know a lot about doing anything for one dollar."

      Actually I think this guy wasn't losing any money... RTFA...

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  21. Ridiculous! by bdash · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... which he believed would be in force until 2010.

    Speaking as a New Zealander, I find it ridiculous that anyone could believe that Telecom's "$10 Text" promotion would last for several more years. When the promotion began, it was very clearly advertised that the promotion would only extend to the end of 2003. I think that Telecom's customers have been lucky that they have extended the promotion for an extra 6 months.

    To put it quite simply: Telecom New Zealand advertised it as a time-limited promotion. People who believe that it should continue indefinitely are confused, and believe that they should get something for nothing.

    1. Re:Ridiculous! by qkw · · Score: 0

      If there was any documentation outlining that this promotion would continue until 2010, Telecom would have been obliged to maintain this rate until the end of 2010.

      As i believe it here in Australia, phone companies are only allowed to change the cost of their services to existing customers if it becomes less than or equal to the pricing scheme set out in the signed contract. eg, if i sign up on a $15 a month plan, they can change that to a $10 plan, and then back to a $15 plan, but not to a $15.01 plan.

      A friend of mine is being hassled by her phone company to switch to a new plan, simply because her existing one is cheaper, and according to the phone company "not nearly as good".

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    2. Re:Ridiculous! by IncohereD · · Score: 1

      A friend of mine is being hassled by her phone company to switch to a new plan, simply because her existing one is cheaper, and according to the phone company "not nearly as good".

      Here in Ottawa Sympatico roled out about 1500 symmetrical DSL connections years ago as a pilot project (something like 1.5 Mbps up and down). The modems on the CO end are huge, and take up two line card slots. And then they found because of the heat they had to remove two adjoining cards as well.

      But of course, the people who have them aren't going to give up the symmetrical access unless they have to.

  22. I can empathize by spotmonk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    *looks at $500 cell phone bill* and I thought my 1200 a month was bad.... although I also was pissed when they cut my unlimited to 500 a month

  23. Connect it to your comuputer by iserlohn · · Score: 1, Redundant

    On some models of phones, you can treat it as a GSM modem and send SMS through the computer. Otherwise, you cen get a GSM modem which does the trick.

    http://www.isis.de/~s.frings/smstools_index.html

  24. 1 character a message by aussie_a · · Score: 1

    it'd be pretty easy. Plus with msn you can SMS messages to someone who isn't logged in. The receiver pays for it. It'd be _very_ easy to send the same thing copy and pasted to yourself.

    1. Re:1 character a message by __aafkqj3628 · · Score: 1

      Slightly different in NZ.
      That MSN service doesn't work outside of the US and it's sender-pays (which I think makes a lot more sense).

    2. Re:1 character a message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit! the reciever pays for it? That's illegal.

  25. Does Timothy Ever sleep? by hookooekoo · · Score: 0, Troll

    That f00l is stupid as so is this post :\

  26. they got it all wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the article said:

    "His text attack was simple enough - he repeatedly sent friends a message reading: 'Hi. How are you?'"

    it should have read:

    "His text attack was simple enough - he repeatedly sent his former friends a message reading: 'Hi. How are you?'"

  27. Price of SMS Stinks. by nighty5 · · Score: 5, Informative

    In Australia we pay an average of 20c to 25c per SMS message.

    Considering how little data is traversed to wager the cost, I can't see how its anywhere near reasonable.

    Our postal service will physically send a letter to anywhere in Australia for 40c - which requires much more signficant investment in resources. And yet somehow telcos feel they can charge -that- much.

    Whenever I can, I prefer to pick up the mobile to call somebody, if you stay on the phone for no longer than 30 seconds its about the same cost. And the call is calcuated per second airtime.

    What do other countries such as Asia, Europe and America pay?

    Tell us!

    1. Re:Price of SMS Stinks. by timmyf2371 · · Score: 1
      In the UK we pay 10p per text, however on some networks this seems to be creeping up to 12p per message.

      We have all number of text bundles, the first of which was O2's unlimited offering which then changed to a limited offering. These days, the text bundles mean you pay for a certain number of texts, ie 5 for 100, or pay per message sent.

      What to consider in terms of cost, at least in the UK, is the networks charge 3p to other networks to receive text messages.

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    2. Re:Price of SMS Stinks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Sweden we pay (Vodaphone) $0.17 for SMS, $0.66 for daytime phone and $0.13 for phone in the evening/night. World record? Expensive wise.

    3. Re:Price of SMS Stinks. by isj · · Score: 1
      Considering how little data is traversed to wager the cost, I can't see how its anywhere near reasonable.
      You are right that the cost of and SMS in the network is practically zero. But there are two other factors detemining the price:
      • The initial cost of the SMS service center / gateway has to be covered. That hardware is not exactly cheap...
      • The inter-carrier settlement price. If the carriers have agreed on 15 cent when forwarding other carriers' SMS, then you cannot sell SMS for less. Sure, you can send then internally in your network cheaper, but with number portability that pricing would be opaque to the users.

      What do other countries such as Asia, Europe and America pay?
      Depends, 1.5 - 5.5 eurocents in Denmark. The prices in Denmark have the past few years mostly followed the inter-carrier settlement cost.

    4. Re:Price of SMS Stinks. by ag0ny · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What do other countries such as Asia, Europe and America pay?

      I'm spanish, but I'm living in Tokyo.

      I don't know about other asian countries, but at least here in Japan nobody uses SMS. Instead, we use email.

      Each phone has a default email address associated to it (usually something like @phonecompany.tld), and you can change this email address whenever you want. Many people choose really hard-to-guess addresses to avoid spam. And yes, this is "normal" email, reachable from the Internet. For example, my server monitoring scripts can notify my phone of a problem by just doing a "cat $MESSAGE | mail @docomo.ne.jp".

      The prices depend on the company and the type of contract. In DoCoMo phones using i-mode, one packet of data is 128 bytes. Each monthly plan includes 400 free packets. After these free packets, the next 10000 packets are billed at 0.3 yen each, and each additional packet after these 10000 is billed at 0.2 yen each. (source here).

      An email message on these phones can be up to 512 characters long, so including the overhead, the maximum you will pay for a single message will be 4.5 yen.

      At today's rate, 1 Japanese Yen = 0.009004 US Dollar.

    5. Re:Price of SMS Stinks. by ag0ny · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, guess I should have previewed before posting... This line:

      "cat $MESSAGE | mail @docomo.ne.jp"

      Should read:

      "cat $MESSAGE | mail myaddress@docomo.ne.jp"

    6. Re:Price of SMS Stinks. by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      I hardly ever use my phone for texting, indeed I actually hate it. I bought 1000 sms credits from Clickatel.com, installed their client and also wrote my own email-to-sms connector and have been happy ever since. Oh, and and that 1000 credits cost me a bit under GBP 5, so its much much cheaper as well. I would happily recommend clickatel or a similiar service for texting if you are sitting at an internet connected pc all day.

    7. Re:Price of SMS Stinks. by Whafro · · Score: 1

      Many American cell phone plans are based on unlimited night/weekend use and a certain number of 'anytime' minutes per month for a flat rate.

      For instance, my plan with ATT Wireless (which just merged with Cingular) nets me 500 anytime minutes and unlimited night and weekend minutes anywhere in the US for US$40.

      For $5 a month, I can receive as many SMS messages as I want, and then send 100 messages for free. Beyond that first hundred sent messages, each sent message is charged at a rate of ten cents per.

      To me, the SMS charge seemed high, but I guess it's rather reasonable considering the costs in other countries.

      My question is, why do you guys send so many SMS's when they're so expensive? Is voice airtime so expensive as to not make it worthwhile?

    8. Re:Price of SMS Stinks. by thogard · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Vodaphone in Egypt does SMS for LE.50 which is about US$.08 or EU$.066 on their worst plan.

      The cost to send the messages is on the order of a thousand of a cent. The rest is all nice profit or intercarrier fees.

      If you send a lot of messages, you can buy a microcell for about US$6000 new ($1000 used) and relay them yourself. Of course someone might get a bit annoyed if you used a frequency you don't have the rights too but that migth not too expensive to buy for a small area.

    9. Re:Price of SMS Stinks. by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      This is the 2nd person that has tried to rationalize the price of phone service/features based on service and features. Phones always have been, and I guess they always will be a scam so long as people keep acting confused about the prices and _paying them anyway_.

      At least here in the US, basic phone service is about the price of the fees and taxes to use the service. Every phone company has "the lowest prices", but when you get the bill its always the same or more than what you were paying before. It used to be land line and long distance scams, now its cell phones. I think the phone companies are laughing it all the way to the bank because they appear to like having short term customers so that they can keep raising the prices or hiding the prices in other places on your bill when your too busy trying to figure out how the new cheaper service costs the same or more than your previous service.

      I own one (wireless) phone that is paid for by my work. I refuse to ever play this game ever again. When I can have internet access to everywhere in the world for $15 -> $20 a month with no hidden fees, I refuse to pay a penny more than this for voice service.

    10. Re:Price of SMS Stinks. by Paradigm+Lost · · Score: 1
      Whenever I can, I prefer to pick up the mobile to call somebody, if you stay on the phone for no longer than 30 seconds its about the same cost. And the call is calcuated per second airtime.

      In New Zealand, the call is charged for the first minute, and then it's calculated every second after that minute is up, so that trick doesn't work.

      The excellent thing about Text Messaging (for the companies) is that the cost of the texts (normally about 20c) can be anything they want it to be.

      The best example of this was text voting for NZ Idol in April. A lot of kids had the Telecom Unlimited Texting, so they voted hundreds of times for their favourite Idol.

      Unfortunately, they didn't see the fine print that said all votes were 99c, and some people ran up hundreds of dollars in bills. Also, some sent their votes after voting closed, and were charged 99c even though their vote diddn't count.

      Here's an article that backs me up.

      It also has an answer to your question
      But how much does it cost the telcos to provide a text message? Well below 1c, according to Sydney-based telecoms commentator Paul Budde.


      Extra Bitterness: NZ Idol received about $450,000 of government funding to get made.
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    11. Re:Price of SMS Stinks. by fifthchild · · Score: 1

      Your phone probably can send and recieve SMS but by default the option is turned off. YOu can pay to have it activated (for a few hundred yen a month, from memory) but since no-one uses it, I don't know anyone who uses this. Older phones that aren't e-mail capable are the primary reason that this persists.

      The recent increase of broadband phones here has brought with it the recent unlimited packet plans. DoCoMo offer the service for their Foma users (Foma is DoCoMo's broadband phone series) on Foma packets (ie, from Foma to Foma phones; packets to the older Mova series phones are different) for about 4000 yen a month. au offer a similar deal on their Win series of broadband phones at a slightly cheaper price.

      But the above poster is correct, e-mail is much more convenient and (unless you use waaaaay too much) economical.

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    12. Re:Price of SMS Stinks. by donscarletti · · Score: 1
      Australia Post put their charge up to 50c a while ago. I didn't actually realise myself until long after they changed because I don't use the postal service much anymore.

      It's funny how the internet can make you ignorent of such things.

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    13. Re:Price of SMS Stinks. by john_uy · · Score: 1
      In the Philippines, it is quite cheap. First off, the telco gives free sms allocation (but not that much.) The price of each is 1/56 of 1USD (or around 0.018 USD). That is for prepaid subscribers. For postpaid, you can get it for half of that (if you exceed your free allocation / month.) Good thing the price here is very cheap (but the government plans on taxing SMS.) This is the reason why SMS is very popular. And since we are an archipelago and there are lots of people in the rural areas too, it is a very cheap way of communication - even cheaper and faster than postal mail. mms messages are quite cheap (but out of reach for majority of the users) at 5/56 USD (or around 0.09 USD.) For voice calls, it really depends on if you are using prepaid or postpaid. But the most expensive rate is 6.5/56 USD per minute (or around 0.12USD.) You can get a much lower rate for plans.

      To top it, the sms message can handle 160 characters. You /. people will be amazed on how fast people here type messages (without the aid of predictive text.) much to around 240 characters per minute. some of the phones couldn't even catch up with the display from the pressing. you'll be amazed on how good people are able to abbreviate words so they can really say a lot for 160 characters.

      example: "the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog" will be "d qik brn fx jmp vr d lzy dg" (but i must concede that i do not abbreviate that much (lack the skill too) because i want to be clear to people when they read my message.) Common words such as later -> l8r, before -> b4, the -> d (the others are in local Filipino language.)

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    14. Re:Price of SMS Stinks. by ewieling · · Score: 1

      "What do other countries such as Asia, Europe and America pay?" Until recently you could not send text messages between carriers in the USA. This is slowly changing, but you still can't send text messages between many providers. I don't understand why NZ Telecom didn't simply limit the "unlimited text messaging" to messages between NZ Telcom customers.

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    15. Re:Price of SMS Stinks. by Archon-X · · Score: 1

      Our postal service will physically send a letter to anywhere in Australia for 40c

      I don't know how long it's been since you've posted a letter, but stamps are no longer 40c. They went to 45c a long time ago, and have been at 50c for 12months.

    16. Re:Price of SMS Stinks. by shish · · Score: 1
      Our postal service will physically send a letter to anywhere in Australia for 40c - which requires much more signficant investment in resources

      Do you know how much it costs to research, create, launch, and maintain an array of satellites? Just beause you don't see people working on the text service as often as you see postal workers, doesn't mean that there aren't any.

      Granted, it is expensive, but just think about all the background costs before complaining

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    17. Re:Price of SMS Stinks. by I+didn't · · Score: 1

      Over here in Hong Kong almost nobody use SMS. It costs HK$1 each ($2-$3 for MMS) while a ~1000 minute (incl. incoming call) plan costs about HK$100 (+/- 10%).

      Most telcos provide free intra-network SMS but portable numbers make it useless.

      1 USD is about 7.8 HKD.

    18. Re:Price of SMS Stinks. by The+Cydonian · · Score: 1
      2.5 US cents per SMS for me out here in Singapore.

      And that rate kicks in only after some 200-300 SMS's only, which is about 10 times the amount I'd send in a month, so basically, I've never paid for an SMS ever. :-)

    19. Re:Price of SMS Stinks. by Craig+Davison · · Score: 1

      Redundant use of cat award!

      Should read:
      mail myaddress@docomo.ne.jp < $MESSAGE

    20. Re:Price of SMS Stinks. by achiel · · Score: 1

      In the Netherlands we pay around 10-20 cents (varies greatly per provider) per SMS. MMS (multimedia messages, pictures and sounds and stuff) cost a whopping 50 cents. It's a real shame that they made MMS's so expensive, considering it's only an SMS with a URL to the actual message :P

      Luckily it's a lot easier to change the MMS server than it is to change the SMS server on phones. I recently built my own MMS server (using www.nowmms.com software) which sends them through a third party SMS service (from Africa, go figure), for 6 cents per message.

    21. Re:Price of SMS Stinks. by silne · · Score: 1

      Where do you live that postage only costs 40c? About 10 years in the past?

      Postage has been 50c for a considerable amount of time now. Welcome to 2004.

    22. Re:Price of SMS Stinks. by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Very very very few SMSs will go anywhere near a satellite - possibly some intercontinental ones, but that's it. GSM is a cellular network not a satellite system.

  28. The reason why Telecom put the cap on by logic-gate · · Score: 5, Informative
    Telecom put the cap on text messages because in New Zealand they have to pay 8 cents interconnection fee for each text that terminates in rival network Vodafone.

    For 100,000 messages that accounts to NZ$8000 per month. The Telecom deal was $10 per month so they would lose $7990 per month for a customer that texted that much to Vodafone!!

    Telecom didn't think this out before they offered the deal, have lost shitloads of money, and are now backtracking furiously and blaming "spammers".

    1. Re:The reason why Telecom put the cap on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it is simply a Vodafone employee making sure that NZ Telecom pays a lot of interconnect fee (the fee that NZ Telecom pays each time it needs to send a message to a Vodafone subscriber).

      I would be Vodafone, I would ask one of my employees to subscribe to the funky NZ Telecom plan ($10 for unlimited SMS), and just let him to send as much as he can SMS to a Vodafone 'fictive' subscriber, like that NZ Telecom will pay a lot Vodafone for interconnect :)

      This should familiar to some former One.Tel / Optus managers ;)

    2. Re:The reason why Telecom put the cap on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pretty good idea, i bet vodafone have the resources set up to read the phone's data and set up a computer to broadcast the txt messages to telecom's network, thus making it look like it came from a cell phone, they could make it send messages to thousands of vodaphone numbers that automaticly delete the txt messages as they are recived, no mess no fuss, and lots of money in interconnect fees

  29. bluetooth'ed em over, perhaps by ben_of_copenhagen · · Score: 1

    Powerbook+bluetooth enabled phone+some scripting. Should be fairly easy. The real question is whether the man has any friends left after one month of unlimited text-terror. Anybody doing that to me would have to get their phone surgically removed from where the sun doesnt shine. Either that or buy me a huge amount of strawberry daiquiris.

    1. Re:bluetooth'ed em over, perhaps by DJ_Blaze · · Score: 1

      Well i know for a fact that the mobile phone company in question (Telecom New Zealand) doesn't even have a phone that's bluetooth-equipt yet (was looking into buying a bluetooth phone and messaging through my pc... so I went and asked them). Unless he has some sort of datacable he'd be texting those messages by hand.

    2. Re:bluetooth'ed em over, perhaps by ben_of_copenhagen · · Score: 1

      You must be kidding. Just about all sony/ericsson models have bluetooth these days, and most of Nokias too. They dont have those? Anyway, technically he should be able to do it, if he has bought the phone abroad. Bluetooth har nothing to do with the carrier, so any bluetooth enabled phone should work just fine (provided it works under their network, which i assume is GSM based)

    3. Re:bluetooth'ed em over, perhaps by __aafkqj3628 · · Score: 1

      Telecom is CDMA.

    4. Re:bluetooth'ed em over, perhaps by ben_of_copenhagen · · Score: 1

      Ah... Goes to show how much i know about aussie cellnets

    5. Re:bluetooth'ed em over, perhaps by DJ_Blaze · · Score: 1

      Well Telecom use CMDA phones, not GSM based ones, so there's no possibility of using a SIM card in one, they're factory programmed to a pre-set number. The models they use aren't even listed on the Nokia website because they're not GSM phones. and no they don't have any Sony Ericsson phones either, although there is an old sony one... T206 or something.

  30. I'm not so sure I'd want to be his friend by tim_mathews · · Score: 1

    I suppose he must have had a lot of people in his phone book, but still that's a lot of messages to recieve. I have roughly 100 #'s in my phone book and a lot of those aren't cell numbers. In fact probably less than half are. Even if he had 100 cell #'s, you're still looking to get 25-26 messages a day from him. I'd have found some way to block his messages after about the 3rd message. Besides that, it costs me money to recieve text messages. A lot less than to send them, but it still costs. I wouldn't want to be footing the bill for his protest.

  31. I don't get it by iswm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's a PHONE, how about you just call the person instead? It seems so pointless to waste you time thumbing in silly little messages that people can barely understand instead of just punching in their phone number and saying what you need to say.

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    1. Re:I don't get it by Simon+Lyngshede · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Text messages are less intrusive, people can answer them when they have the time. I don't like having people call regarding things which basicly isn't that important, seen me a text message and I can answer you when I have the time.

      I don't call people if I can avoid it, I think it's very rude to assume that they will have the time to talk to me. Emails and text messages a is something they can deal with later. For important things or situations where you need the answer right now, sure a phone call it better.

    2. Re:I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Voicemail, homie

    3. Re:I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what about when a voice conversation isn't possible?

    4. Re:I don't get it by canavan · · Score: 1

      Personally I find it very rude to send me Short Messages that require an answer. Not only does it costs me money to answer someone elses questions, but it also find it awkward and annoying to type them.

      If I don't have the time to talk to people, I either wait until the ringing (vibration only) stops, meaning that they have either given up (can not have been important then) or get to talk to my voice mail box, or I just hang up on them.

    5. Re:I don't get it by sfe_software · · Score: 1

      Text messages are less intrusive, people can answer them when they have the time.

      I disagree personally, but I'm sure a lot of people agree with this. For me, if I don't want to be disturbed I'll put the phone in silent (vibrator) mode, and simply not answer it (or hit "ignore") if it's someone I don't want/need to talk to right now. If I really truly don't want to be disturbed by anyone the phone is turned off.

      Text messages piss me off (my sister constantly sends me them) because they aren't part of my calling plan -- thus, each message costs me money, though I'm trying to find out if there's some way to tell Cingular that I simply don't want to accept them. Plus, typing on the keypad is difficult enough when adding a contact, much less trying to type out a sentance/paragraph that could have been covered with a 10 second phone call.

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    6. Re:I don't get it by kryptkpr · · Score: 1

      ... because they aren't part of my calling plan -- thus, each message costs me money ...

      Are you telling me your SMS is receiver pays!? Up here in Canada, it's sender pays, and that's how it should be. What's stopping someone from unleashing a real SMS attack (not like this goof in the article) and sending hundreds of thousands of messages to receipients who then have to pay for?

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    7. Re:I don't get it by sfe_software · · Score: 1

      Are you telling me your SMS is receiver pays!?

      I can't say for sure (I don't use SMS intentionally, and the bill isn't handy) but I am pretty sure I get charged for incoming messages as well as outgoing... hence my sister's most common message (she thinks she's funny): "This just cost you 10 cents dork".

      I'm sure there's got to be *some* way to simply not accept the messages (either in the phone itself or via Cingular), but it hasn't become a problem yet aside from my sister having fun when I first got my phone... though I would be a bit miffed if it turned out I had to simply accept the messages and associated fees...

      What's stopping someone from unleashing a real SMS attack (not like this goof in the article) and sending hundreds of thousands of messages to receipients who then have to pay for?

      Nothing stops you from this, just like nothing stops you from prank-calling random numbers -- except of course that it's illegal to do so (not sure if/how this applies to prank-SMS though; that might even just fall under unsolicited calls? hm...)

      Again, I'm not fully sure that I do pay for incoming messages, but it does seem that I read that somewhere in the contract, and that it was like 10 cents per message received, or $5 extra a month adds some 100 SMS messages.

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    8. Re:I don't get it by grishnav · · Score: 1

      I don't call people if I can avoid it, I think it's very rude to assume that they will have the time to talk to me.

      Hi, are you busy?

      Hi, do you have a minute/moment?


      Seriously...

    9. Re:I don't get it by I+didn't · · Score: 1

      It's all about cost. Making a voice call is much more expensive than SMS in New Zealand.

      When I was in NZ most of us only used our phone to receive SMS. We hardly sent SMS from our phone (it cost 20c), instead we sent SMS mostly from the web (which is free, and there're plenty of terminals around the campus).

    10. Re:I don't get it by girish · · Score: 1

      Depends on what you are trying to tell the person...

      For example, if you just want to send over some information such as another person's phone number or directions to a restaurant or just a "heads up" I'm going to be 15 min late type message, SMS works great. For example, I'm in a meeting, but I need to goto lunch at noon, my friend messages me, "I'm going to be 30 min late to lunch", then I can stay in that meeting longer instead of rushing off and waiting at the restaurant. But I cannot answer the phone and talk to him during that meeting.

      I use SMS and SMS-email in many ways, but it does not replace a phonecall, it's in addition to a phoen call.

    11. Re:I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because a phone call is charged at $1.39 per minute, charged by the minute. Therefore a 61 second call costs $2.78, versus 20 cents to send one text message....

  32. Some friend! by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

    The article says 'he repeatedly sent friends a message reading: "Hi. How are you?"'

    2,580 times a day he did this. I am guessing he is now short a few friends...

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    1. Re:Some friend! by Coneasfast · · Score: 1

      I am guessing he is now short a few friends

      I'm pretty sure his friends had agreed to this, otherwise they'd be pretty fumed.

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  33. I just don't get cells by ModernGeek · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Land lines are so much easier, you have unlimited calls to all your friends in your area code, and you can sit and chat with them all day like it is nothing if you want, because it isn't going to cost you a dime more or less todo so. With a cellphone, you have all these funky plans, unneeded features, and hidden costs. A second landline can be had for $15/mo, so you can have two numbers, one for you, and one for the kids. All for about $35/mo, and you don't have to worry about "going over". If you have family in another state, just get a calling card, or get a good long distance plan.

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    1. Re:I just don't get cells by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, YOU don't get it.
      Cell phones = MOBILE phone line

    2. Re:I just don't get cells by October_30th · · Score: 2, Informative
      unlimited calls to all your friends in your area code

      That may be the case over there, but over here local calls are charged per minute.

      I like cell phones because they allow me to make/take calls anywhere anytime instead of being tied to a landline. If I don't want to be disturbed I can switch on the silent mode. If someone has something important to tell me while I'm in the movies, for instance, he/she can leave a message. With the caller ID (no extra charge) I can also screen my calls. Having a cell phone as definitely improved the quality of my life.

      I don't know what you mean by hidden costs? I know perfectly well how much my calls and SMSs cost (incoming calls are free) and, if I like, I can check my bill any time by texting to a number.

      If you don't trust yourself not to "go over" or you're worried about your kids' cellphone bills you can sign a deal where you set a hard limit ($50, for instance) for the service.

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    3. Re:I just don't get cells by digitaleus · · Score: 1

      You're either can't be serious, or you're just too old to adopt new technologies.

      I don't know where to begin.

    4. Re:I just don't get cells by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Care to post a link to this unlimited local plan that provides good service for $20 a month? Most of them seem to charge twice that. Add in long distance and even without all the extra features like caller ID and voice mail it's more expensive than a cell, unless you spend a lot of time on the phone.

    5. Re:I just don't get cells by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Land lines are so much easier... With a cellphone, you have all these funky plans, unneeded features, and hidden costs.

      My land line (SBC) has all sorts of hidden fees -- adding up to more than my cell phone. And they have as many funky plans as any phone (cell or otherwise) I've dealt with... you can't (for example) just add CallerID, you have to choose a plan that has it included (you can order certain features individually but it almost always comes out more expensive...)

      I have a cell phone for one reason: my car broke down a couple of months ago and I was forced to walk 3 miles (which at the time I swore must have been 10 miles). I work at home, so I'm always accessible to those who need to find me; but after the car incident, I finally decided to get a cell phone again.

      Now I find that I use it far more than my home phone; my friends and family can get ahold of me wherever I'm at. Plus, long distance doesn't cost extra -- always a plus.

      I'm tempted to get rid of the land line in favor of the cell, since given the small amount of time I spend on the phone, the free long distance and convenience of a cell phone really stands out over the land line (and the cost is almost the same). The reason I haven't yet is that just before I got the cell phone, I bought a really nice cordless phone w/answering machine and second handset/charger cradle... it's reason enough for me to keep the land line around ;)

      When it comes to text messages, I don't have that as part of my plan; instead, it costs me 4 cents to send and 10 cents to receive message (which I don't quite understand...) My sister loves to message me "This just cost you 10 cents", and I can't seem to disable this feature -- if one texts me I pay for it whether it's part of my plan or not... (this is Cingular BTW)...

    6. Re:I just don't get cells by sfe_software · · Score: 1

      You're either can't be serious, or you're just too old to adopt new technologies.

      Speaking for myself, I have no use for text messaging. My calling plan doesn't include it, so when I receive one (apparently I can't turn that off, and it costs me 10 cents), I usually message back with "Just call me dammit", since it is then free (or very cheap) compared to silly text messages.

      I do agree that the idea of a land-line only simply doesn't work for many people (myself included). Cell phones are just so damned handy for so many reasons; I got mine the day after my car broke down and I was forced to walk a good bit, but since then I've come to really love having it. And (since I can never use the ungodly minutes included) it costs less than my basic home-phone plan (which I'm considering getting rid of)...

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    7. Re:I just don't get cells by sjwt · · Score: 1

      Is that in NZ?

      Not that i know the state of landlines in NZ.
      But hear in .Au its now upto over $25 a month,
      anbd your free lcoal calls(cap at a low number such as 100) dont incjlued 131-X numbers and a number of others.

      I can get a moble phone iwht a $16-50(IIRC) then free calls and SMS from $50.01-$499.99.

      Now as my landline costs 35-45 a month,
      and my moblie is on a 2 year contract at atlest $40(usly 60-80) the saving on geting rid of my mobil would be plenty..

      Which is hwat i shall do as soon as my contract runs out.

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    8. Re:I just don't get cells by reanjr · · Score: 1

      Where do you live? Here, (MI, USA w/ SBC Ameritech as the regional monopolizer) there's no plan anywhere near that cheap for unlimited local calling. Ours for instance is like $15/mo. but only allows 400 local calls a month (enough for us, but certainly not unlimited).

      On top of that, toll charges (farther than 1 area code away) are something along the lines of $0.25/minute.

      On the other hand, my cell phone's local plan covers two states in which I can routinely make 800 calls without going over on minutes, due to the fact that is is truly unlimited at night and on the weekends.

    9. Re:I just don't get cells by KronicD · · Score: 1

      Who does "$16-50(IIRC) then free calls and SMS from $50.01-$499.99." I know 3 (hutchinson) does $99-500, has one of the other networks decided to beat the offer or have they lowered the pricecap now?

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    10. Re:I just don't get cells by sjwt · · Score: 1

      Ahr, see thats what the IIRC was for, i wasnt sure on the price :)

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    11. Re:I just don't get cells by chaoaretasty · · Score: 1

      In some countries maybe. Here in the UK all calls cost money (unless you pay extra for one of these special off peak deals). In the UK mobiles are starting to become quite serious competition to landlines, O2 even had some advertisements trying to get people to switch to mobile as their main phone because of the prices. And add to that the sheer usefulness of not having to be home to get calls from people.

    12. Re:I just don't get cells by BorgDrone · · Score: 0

      I pay around 15 euro's a month for my mobile service (which is about a billion dollars, not that the service is so expensive, but dollars aren't worth the paper they are printed on nowadays), it includes 75 minutes of use (you can save up unused minutes to a max. of 150), more than enough for me (all my bills say "minutes left: 150"), I can call anywhere I like, I can use it to surf the internet on my PDA.

      If I, however, would use a land line, I would not only pay twice the monthly fee, I'd actually have to start paying for usage. furthermore, I can only call or be called when I'm at home, which is not very often.

      Land lines are completely useless, you can only reach people who happen to be at home.

    13. Re:I just don't get cells by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Three miles? You had to walk three whole miles? Did you require a nap afterwards? I suppose that phone might have come in handy, you could have dialed up mom to come pick you up.

      You incredible fat fuck. Try getting in a little exercise.

    14. Re:I just don't get cells by Paleomacus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't know if age factors in to it. I'm 22 years old and refuse to use phones as much as possible(within reason[cell and otherwise]). I think they are rude, impersonal and obtrusive. If I want to speak to someone I'll do it face to face.

      I do have both a personal landline and cell phone. The cell phone stays off unless I must make a call. The landline doesn't get answered unless I'm expecting a call or the caller-id is someone I want to talk to.

      I hold a similar philosophy about instant messengers. I always have AIM running at home on away status and at work I have IBM Sametime. Sametime is pretty unused unless I'm wasting time while looking busy[during the worst time of the week - 3-5pm on Fridays] or need to check with someone who's on a long duration phone call.

    15. Re:I just don't get cells by jedrek · · Score: 1

      Wow... that's true... but only in America and Canada. I don't know of any european country with unmetered local calls. If I had a land line, I'd be paying $10US just for the line, then about $0.09-0.10US every three minutes, for local calls. Inter-city calls (long distance) are about $0.06-0.07 for 1 minute.

      Now, cell calls are about $0.20/minute, but since most of my private calls are under a minute, and I'm rarely home, it just makes sense. Oh, and I haven't had a landline for almost two years now.

    16. Re:I just don't get cells by blkmagic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Qwest was screwing me over for a number of years by bundling services I didn't want into my land line. They would actually charge me $6 a month because I wasn't getting long distance service!! I cut my land line mostly so I wasn't giving money to Qwest, but adding my wife's cell phone on to my plan actually saved us about $40 a month in basic service and long distance charges. I had many more unneeded features forced upon me with my landline than with my cell. I guess I should have said this before, but I use my cell phone for calls, the occasional text message, and voice mail, not for games, pictures and all that other crap. I'm not paying extra for that stuff in my plan though - Verizon actually lets you pay just for the services you'll use.

      Y'know, understanding cell phone usage may just not be obvious to you because of your lifestyle. I live in Colorado, and we actually go out and do things (including weekend travel) very frequently. If we're trying to meet family or friends coming in to town, it's much easier to have them contact us this way, and we're not pinned to the house if we need to run errands or something.

      Let me give you another example. I'm teaching college classes at night as a second job. The dean called the other day while I was at work to offer me options for courses to teach for summer session. I waited to decide and responded that evening, and I didn't get the class I wanted because another professor had taken it. However, if I had answered him on the spot I would have received the class I wanted. It would not have been feasible to check voice mail at home because I wasn't expecting the call, and I'm not one to waste time calling a voice mail box that's usually empty.

      It's fine to not understand why people desire or need cell phones, but it really surprises me that someone with the nickname "ModernGeek" can't see how they would benefit some people with active lifestyles. If they don't fit your lifestyle, that's great, but with my traveling, it's awesome that I can call from wherever I stop for lunch to keep in touch with family or avoid stupid "per call" charges at the occasional hotel. If you pick the right plan for your lifestyle, you can really save yourself money or headaches. I'm well aware that I'm paying close to $1000 per year for two phones, but it's worth it to me to be able to stay in touch with my family, who also get out of their houses frequently.

    17. Re:I just don't get cells by lazybeam · · Score: 1

      Ah, so you're one of those people who don't like to talk to people? And you know mobile phones have caller-id too, so you don't have to answer it for the same reason the landline gets/doesn't get answered.

      (I'm 23 and in Australia)
      FWIW I probably wouldn't have a landline if it wasn't for the fact it's required for ADSL - Telstra and their monopolistic ways! (No cable here)

      I barely use my included plan on my mobile ($35/month with Optus plan) so using it isn't the end of the world, and would save the $20+/month on the line rental.

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    18. Re:I just don't get cells by Peter+Cooper · · Score: 1

      I believe BT has a plan where you pay 30 a month, including line rental, and all non-mobile calls are free.

      Of course, this sounds great, but since everyone else has mobiles.. it kinda makes it worthless unless you're doing hundreds of cold calls from home or something.

    19. Re:I just don't get cells by chakmol · · Score: 1

      Land lines are so much easier, you have unlimited calls to all your friends in your area code, and you can sit and chat with them all day like it is nothing if you want, because it isn't going to cost you a dime more or less todo so.

      Watch out, I was thinking of taking on Sprint for my local service until I read this: "Service may not be used for commercial use, Internet, data or facsimile service for extended periods of time. If Sprint determines that usage is not consistent with residential voice applications, service may be assessed a data usage fee or disconnected."

      That is way too vague. It sounds like even doing a net dialup would put your service in jeopardy. There are so many traps.

    20. Re:I just don't get cells by Ironica · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Land lines are so much easier,

      My landline phone only remembers the last number I dialed. My cell phone remembers the last 10, and has 200 more in the address book. (I can also store numbers on my landline phone, but I can't attach names to them, so I'd have to make a separate record of what number is which person... too much hassle.)

      So there's lots of times when it's easier for me to pick up my cell phone to make a call, even when I'm home.

      you have unlimited calls to all your friends in your area code,

      I live in Los Angeles. About three of my friends are in my area code. The city itself has four different area codes.

      Granted, many of those are still not toll charges, but some of them are, and I can't tell by the area code which will be. My friend in Van Nuys (818) is local, but my friend in Reseda (also 818) is a toll call.

      and you can sit and chat with them all day like it is nothing if you want, because it isn't going to cost you a dime more or less todo so.

      While with my cell phone, I can do the same to my friend in San Jose or my mom when she's out of town in Detroit or Nigeria, and have the same experience... because it's a very, very rare occurence for me to go over my monthly minutes.

      With a cellphone, you have all these funky plans, unneeded features, and hidden costs.

      My cell phone bill is the same each month, within a few cents. My landline varies more.

      I have no "unneeded features." I get a package that includes the features I want and will use. I don't want text messaging, so my package doesn't include it. I do want unlimited long distance, so my package gives me that.

      A second landline can be had for $15/mo, so you can have two numbers, one for you, and one for the kids.

      I can add a second line to my cell phone for $9.99/month. Oh, and, that $15/month doesn't include about $5/month in taxes, surcharges, and fees you'll be paying. (Same is true of the cell phone, but since many are a percentage of what you pay, it's even cheaper by comparison.)

      All for about $35/mo, and you don't have to worry about "going over". If you have family in another state, just get a calling card, or get a good long distance plan.

      Or, get a good cell phone plan for about $40/month, and pay nothing extra for long distance or "local toll" at all.

      We cancelled long distance service on our landline, because AT&T started charging us $6/month even when we didn't use it. We never use it, because it's free from our cell phones.

      So, it sounds like you're woefully underinformed about cellular service, and you're paying for your ignorance. Good on you.

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    21. Re:I just don't get cells by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My landline phone only remembers the last number I dialed. My cell phone remembers the last 10, and has 200 more in the address book. (I can also store numbers on my landline phone, but I can't attach names to them, so I'd have to make a separate record of what number is which person... too much hassle.)

      OTOH, you probably didn't pay $100-$200 for your landline phone (which is roughly what cell phones cost if you exclude incentives).

    22. Re:I just don't get cells by digitaleus · · Score: 1

      There's a difference between not choosing the technology for yourself and not seeing the use of the technology. Admittedly text-messaging is far less mature in the states than other countries, but the technology is profoundly changing the way many of us communicate. Granted, not all the changes are good - do we really want a world of contact-obsessed lemmings? - but to say "I don't see the point" seems a little shortsighted.

      A study found that text-message has decreased the level of smoking in teenage girls in the UK (sorry, I can't remember the reference, it was discussed in a seminar). That's a communication technology overpowering a chemical addiction. Reasons for the link were unclear, but it was theorised that it either sucked up their disposable cash, or gave them something to keep their hands busy (for want of a better choice of words).

    23. Re:I just don't get cells by Paleomacus · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ah, so you're one of those people who don't like to talk to people?

      It's not that I don't like talking to people. I just can't stand the flat interaction that goes on through the phone. It's even flatter to me than a communication method like slashdot. I will admit that I am more reserved around many people than most.

      And you know mobile phones have caller-id too.

      Yeah I know. The silent mode on my mobile phone is not completely silent. So, off it stays. I understand why people have/use (mobile)phones. I just prefer not to use them, so I don't. I do like the security of having a mobile in case of emergency or having auto trouble in the middle of nowhere.

    24. Re:I just don't get cells by Paleomacus · · Score: 1

      There's a difference between not choosing the technology for yourself and not seeing the use of the technology.

      I didn't make it clear in my post that I _do_ see the use. My aversion to the communication method outweighs the advantage of the uses for me. I do wish people would be a little more respectful. There are kids in my classes that don't bother to turn their phones off. In particular there is a guy in a class I'm taking right now that just presses his phone between his thighs when it goes off and loudly says,"Sorry!".

      If I said "I don't see the point" I didn't mean to say that. I do see the point, I can't even remember why I made my original post. It doesn't make sense in this thread.

      A study found that text-message has decreased the level of smoking in teenage girls in the UK (sorry, I can't remember the reference, it was discussed in a seminar). That's a communication technology overpowering a chemical addiction. Reasons for the link were unclear, but it was theorised that it either sucked up their disposable cash, or gave them something to keep their hands busy (for want of a better choice of words).

      That's really cool. Friends of mine who have quit smoking pick up a habit as/after they quit smoking. e.g. nail biting. They say that they just have to have their hands doing something.

    25. Re:I just don't get cells by OhHellWithIt · · Score: 1

      It's simple. Cells give you flexibility you can't have with landlines:

      • The capability to wipe out other motorists, cyclists, and pedestrians, while talking on the telephone. Try that one at home.
      • The ability to annoy your fellow transit riders as you discuss what you did last night or are planning to do on the coming weekend.
      • Your S.O. can call you when you're a block from home to find out when you'll be getting there.

      Seriously, though, it's nice to have a cell (with vibrating ring) when we go out to the theater and have a sitter for the kid, or for letting the S.0. know that there's a transit or traffic delay that will prevent arrival in time for dinner, etc. But I'm one of those people who sees dollar signs when I talk on the cell, so few of my conversations go into the second minute.

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    26. Re:I just don't get cells by ModernGeek · · Score: 1

      I'm 17, I'm not old.....

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    27. Re:I just don't get cells by Ironica · · Score: 1

      OTOH, you probably didn't pay $100-$200 for your landline phone (which is roughly what cell phones cost if you exclude incentives).

      No, I didn't pay a cent for my landline phone, it was a christmas gift from my mom. But it retails for $90-160 (I think she paid about $120 for it six months ago).

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    28. Re:I just don't get cells by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I moved two years ago, and just simply did not get a land line connected. Fixed costs for land lines keep rising, and rising, and rising, and calls are extra on top of that. I also seriously distrust Australia's providers when it comes to accuracy of bills - I'd like an itemised bill, thanks. (For a landline, an itemised bill is an extra fee.)

      Since then, I moved (again!) in with my girlfriend, and now the line rental fees are 75% of the landline's monthly bill.

      My monthly mobile bill is less; the standard monthly fee is essentially a minimum cost, the first $n worth of calls are 'free.' As long as I don't call other landlines too often or for too long, my mobile bill remains easily manageable.

      Feh to landlines.

      (Oh yeah, and the only person who ever calls me on that landline is my mother. Ugh.)

    29. Re:I just don't get cells by John+Harrison · · Score: 1

      Try NotesBuddy instead of Sametime. You'll love it.

  34. Radiation by Agret · · Score: 2, Funny

    How did this guy manage this? Is he a mutated nerd like us who have grown extra fingers due to the radition from our constant computer use? Damn I should've never got that plastic case....

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  35. Um by prs · · Score: 2, Funny
    Three words: `Get a life'. Or should that be `gt a lfe'!

    (Then again he could have an amazingly active social life with that many texts!)

  36. no thumbs needed by davids-world.com · · Score: 1

    i send them via Apple Address Book -- the cellphone is connected via Bluetooth. Much more covenient, and those 80.000 messages seem perfectly possible :-)

    i bet my friends sometime wonder how i can reply with texts with elaborate grammar seconds after they text me...

  37. Should be pretty easy to achieve with a terminal by LucidBeast · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have an app that sends about 140 messages to customers every day and it takes about 10 minutes to do that. In couple of days you could easily send that amount of text messages.

  38. Practicality? by lancomandr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm trying to figure out the effectiveness of this protest. The message he sent is 16 bytes. I'm not sure how big SMS headers are but lets assume about 30 bytes. So thats 46 bytes per message. Times 80,012 = 3,680,552. I don't know exactly how much bandwidth etc is allocated for text messaging within a cellular telephone carrier, but three and a half megabytes in a month doesn't seem like much. Lets look at average traffic. The article states that he slept 8 hours per night over what appears to be a 31 day period. That would mean he is awake 16 hours per day. 2,580 messages over 16 hours is 161.25 messages per hour, 2.6875 messages per minute, or ~.045 messages per second. 46 bytes x .045 means he is only sending an average of 2.07 bytes per second. Pretty small beans. It would have been just as easy to send a 160 character message 80,012 times as it was to send his short one. Perhaps something like DoS was not his aim, but the article states that this was an "attack." I don't know too many people that need in the tens of thousands text messages per month that can't afford to pay more than $6.29/mo. Despite all this, I do believe that companies should hold true to their claims or offerings. I doubt that Mr. Ray's 2.07 bytes per second made them LOSE any money, but as seen in the article they sure could have made a shitload off of it. If a company is going to offer something like that, they should be prepared for power users taking full advantage of it.

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    1. Re:Practicality? by lancomandr · · Score: 1

      AHHH Yes I see the post above about internetwork text msging fees. Please don't hurt me! I feel the flames licking at my feet already.

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    2. Re:Practicality? by ebsf1 · · Score: 1

      The telco in question has to pay 8c per message to transfer the sms to another provider in interconnect fees.

    3. Re:Practicality? by Blue_Wombat · · Score: 1

      I think this misses the point a bit, in terms of the protest action impact. Its not in the parent article, but as I recall from the media coverage here, he was sending most of the messages to himself - using a Sim card he had bought from rival network Vodaphone for the purpose. It's not the data volume that would be hitting Telecom, it's the interconnect fee. As I recall, they pay around 8 cents per message termination fee. If (say) half of his messages were sent this way, he would have given Telecom a bill of around $2,000 - none of which they can recover from him as the texts were free under their offer. I would have said that was a pretty effective protest! >p> Hmmm, just think if 5,000 pissed off customers (and there are a few down here) did the same thing........

    4. Re:Practicality? by LoocSiMit · · Score: 1
      I doubt that Mr. Ray's 2.07 bytes per second made them LOSE any money, but as seen in the article they sure could have made a shitload off of it.

      You're missing the point. Twice. First, he paid a flat $10 for all the texts. Second, it's not about data rate.

      It's about interconnect charges. It costs his telco every time a message is passed to another network for delivery. Usually the assumption telcos make is that, on average, people will receive roughly as many texts as they send (the same goes for calls) so the interconnect charges even out. By sending tens of thousands of messages to other networks (the other network as it is in NZ) you can cost your telco hundreds or thousands of dollars. The question is, how many of the people in his phonebook are on the other network?

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    5. Re:Practicality? by Bitsy+Boffin · · Score: 1

      Do you have any idea of how much money Telecom makes each year???? Do you really think that $2000 or even $20000 is going to phase them in the slightest.

      incredibly_obscene_money - tiny_little_bit == incredibly_onscene_money

      Telcom's response to this can be summed up as - 'meh'.

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    6. Re:Practicality? by lancomandr · · Score: 1
      AHHH Yes I see the post above about internetwork text msging fees. Please don't hurt me! I feel the flames licking at my feet already.

      Wow, I already stood corrected.

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  39. Perhaps Badminton by Turismo86 · · Score: 1, Funny

    So the real news is that New Zealanders need something to occupy their time.

  40. 3 messages per minute by anticypher · · Score: 4, Interesting

    3 SMS messages per minute doesn't sound like much. Assuming he didn't change the message each time, after the initial time spent writing the message, its easy to send 10 to 15 per minute to numbers in the phone's address book.

    I have clients who run SMS gateway machines, and each phone can send 30 to 50 messages per minute. Of course, this is computer controlled, and they have a chassis with 30 phones and hundreds of SIM cards to spread the charge across many "1000 free texts per month" plans.

    Back when SMS messaging was free in Europe, I wrote a crude implementation of IP over SMS. The phones were connected with serial cables to linux boxes. It took some serious tweaking of MTU, TCP timeouts, and a couple of hacked applications (sendmail and telnet) to deal with the bandwidth, latency and small packet size problems. I even managed to perform an NFS mount over SMS. But alas, once the phone companies smelled money, it was all over.

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  41. Uhm... by broothal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think he misunderstood the word "protest". To me it seems like he just proved the telecoms point.

    I don't feel sorry for him that he can't continue to send a text message every 20 seconds. If it was me he was sending his "hi, how are you" drivel to, my response would probably be something in the line of "Shut the f*ck up dude"

  42. Messaging Abuse? by JWSmythe · · Score: 3, Interesting


    So lets see. The provider recognizes that people are abusing the system. The guy sends thousands of pages to his friends to prove people are abusing the system, and he makes the news as being the good guy because telco's are evil??

    If someone started sending *ME* thousands of messages per month, I'd get a bit irate. I suppose his friends aren't exactly happy with a month of their phone beeping at them constantly. I get a bit pissed at just our server pages (sent to my phone), and those don't count up anywhere near thousands per month.

    --
    Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
    1. Re:Messaging Abuse? by Frogbert · · Score: 1

      Whether he was abusing the system or not the provider shouldn't have sold something it couldn't have provided. Its realy as simple as that. You either sell something you have or not sell anything at all, this is the same as unlimited Internet connections, either you sell it and provide no limits, or limit it and stop calling it unlimited, there is no grey area.

    2. Re:Messaging Abuse? by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      So, when you pay for "unlimited internet connections", does that mean you can have 40 modems dialed up at the same time, at full throughput?

      Unlimited makes it a lot easier for accounting. You charge a flat rate, no modifications. But thanks to people abusing the systems, they have to make it more complicated.

      The cablemodem I used to have was exactly one of these cases. When it was first available in my area, it was "unlimited". You could use the max throughput of the modem, which was about 3Mb/s. They were working on getting new modems which would have 10Mb/s throughput. Users would love this. Their downloads would go very quickly. The cumulative utilization would still be fairly low, because how many users really use the full speed of their line all the time.

      Abusers got smart. "I'll put a web server up, and make all my MP3's available." Boom, full utilization of the line. Sure, it said no servers on the residential lines, but no one cared. So the provider blocked port 80.

      The abusers got smarter. "I'll put my web server up on some other port." Boom, utilization went up again.

      Was this normal usage? no. Was it forbidden by the TOS? Yes.

      Because people would use virtually any port they wanted, the problem continued.

      The provider started scanning the network for any machine on any port with a web server. That became an unrealistic task.

      Now look at your cablemodem's throughput. It's low. With two different providers, in two different cities, I had 768K down, 128K up, and if I peaked at 128K up (like, sending a large file from home to work), the 768K down suddenly was locked at 128K for the rest of the day. Why? Obviously not to stop the average user from sending large files occasionally, it was because of people trying to max out their line all the time.

      I *REALLY* liked having 3Mb/s down and up. It was very useful for me to get the occasional file to or from my office. It was nice being able to download a full kernel source in just a few minutes.

      Where I work, we do free hosting, with a few conditions. There are enough sites hosted with us, that we can't check every site every day. (50k, last time I looked). Still almost daily, we get some winner that knows this, uploads a bunch of large files (porn video, warez, whatever), and when they link it from where ever, that server will peak up to 100Mb/s. Is it unlimited? No, it's 100Mb/s. Are they following the TOS? No. What do we do? Cancel their account, and delete their content.

      They could put it in their TOS to not send more than 1k messages per month, but of course they are a bit greedy. Bill them for the overage. Get that few extra bucks before they cancel.

      Most companies don't have a limit for how many Emails you can send while you work there. It isn't written down "You can only send x emails per month". If sending Emails is part of your job, you're expected to send lots of mail. Now take the addresses of every user that you communicate with, and send them an hourly newsletters, and you'll get fired. You knew better. There was no need to have in your contract "You will not send more than x emails to customers." But after they fire you, they'll quite likely write it into the company policy.

      Abusing something, just because they didn't put in a "don't abuse this" clause, isn't justification to abuse it.

      The office building I'm in doesn't have a policy that says I can't ride the elevator up and down all day, stopping on every floor. Try it sometime, you'll make all kinds of new friends.

      If they do instate such a policy, and someone tries to make a point that it's wrong by getting all his friends to ride the elevators all day for the rest of the month, stopping at every floor, they'll probably get their asses kicked.

      It's people like you that there are entire libraries of law books, and rules dictating policy everywhere. Thanks.

      And by the way, no farting in the elevators either.

      --
      Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
  43. Price in Germany by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    In Germany it's about 19 cent (eurocent) per sms of 160 characters. Sometimes more if you're messaging into a seperate network.

    The best is - how do you know how much it costs?
    Shouldn't there be some kind of "response" or information service in line where you can request costs for a particular service? "Cost for calling ?" - "99c the first minute, 5c each 10seconds following" or somesuch.

  44. maximum texts a month by binkzz · · Score: 2, Informative
    The company is reducing the free texts to 1,000 a month. That seems pretty reasonable to me, I don't think I've sent that many texts in my life.

    1000/30 = 33 texts a day. For personal use, is it enough? Most people I know don't come near that many.

    --
    'For we walk by faith, not by sight.' II Corinthians 5:7
    1. Re:maximum texts a month by really? · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Depends on where you are, I guess.
      Based on what I see on the days that I have to take the train to work, here in Tokyo I'd say 33/day is nowhere near enough. People are messaging all the time; to see a young lady do five or six messages in the 20 minutes that it takes me to get to Shinjuku is not at all uncommon.
      I on the other hand have sent about 30, at the most, in the last year.

      --

      "Consistency is contrary to nature, contrary to life. The only completely consistent people are the dead." A. Huxley
    2. Re:maximum texts a month by ebsf1 · · Score: 1

      SMSing seems to be the primary form of keeping in touch amongst teenagers here in NZ. The phones are going off all the time. There was a petition at www.ucnz.com a while back about this deal. Apparently 20000 ppl thought that 33 text messages a day are not enough. I'm lucky to use the 20 free messages I get with my deal each month.

    3. Re:maximum texts a month by dnight · · Score: 1
      I'm lucky to get one SMS message off correctly typing it in on that damn little keypad.

      If they have a phone and I have a phone, I just call the damn person! Only 10 digits to push, and I can communicate via voice.

  45. For a second there by arvindn · · Score: 1

    I thought this was fark instead of slashdot!

  46. AT+CMGS by Mike+McTernan · · Score: 1

    The specs to which GSM phones are implemented list a number of AT commands to allow you to send an SMS among other things. With a bit of scripting, it should be easy to automate the sending of SMS's repeatedly, should you want to!

    Info here.

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    -- Mike
  47. Howto send large amount... by Orm · · Score: 3, Informative

    ... of sms'es..

    1. Take your phone. Make a distribution-list which includes everyone on your phone capable to recive textmessages. (say 100 people)

    2. Write a large sms. As you might know, one sms can contain 160 chars. So when you type a sms over 160 chars, it will be seen as two sms. Write one big sms (that really count as four).

    3. Send this one to the distribution list: You have know sent 400 sms in just a few minutes.

    4. To be sure they all got it, resend it!

    5. Reply to everyone that answers, and resend again to they who don't anser!

    It might just take you three minutes to send almost 1000 smses. Good luck!

  48. How 1 clever person got a telco to pay them money by Richard_L_James · · Score: 1
    This reminds of a story I was once told by an UK telephone industry insider. The profit for a customer call to a premium rate number is usually split between service provider and the operator of the premium rate service.

    When a well known UK telephone company first created a business line unlimited calls option in the early 1990's for around 400GBP per month someone worked out a clever and legal (at the time!) money making scheme. What this person did was to setup 2 phonelines:

    • Line A - a premium rate number as the operator
    • Line B - a business line with unlimited calls option
    They then setup line B (unlimited calls) to call line A (premium rate) continuously so that half the profit of the calls to the premium rate line would go to them!!!

    After several days the telephone company stopped this person's profit making scheme by blocking the ability to dial premium rate calls from their unlimited service and changing the service contract but not before the telephone company had ended up paying a lot of money to someone for their clever scheme.

  49. Big Phone Bills by pommiekiwifruit · · Score: 3, Insightful
    IIRC when I was at university before this whole internet thing became popular, one guy got a phone bill for $12,000 for one month. He was ringing up BBSs in the USA every day.

    He's probably still paying it off...

  50. Every post so far by qvek · · Score: 0

    1) Whoa! 80,012 text messages? That guy must have some kind of genetic mutant powers!
    1.a) dude u could just write a prog to do that on ur linux box

    2) OMG if someone did that to me I'd fuckin' kick their ass!

    3) Why would someone waste their time doing this? The phone company won't care!

    4) I hate text messages! None of you should ever use them!

  51. endless text messaging leaving you dry/empty? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    you could try this strange brew, that's good for you. & freely distributable too.

  52. Are you sure? by The+Ancients · · Score: 1
    Telecom put the cap on text messages because in New Zealand they have to pay 8 cents interconnection fee for each text that terminates in rival network Vodafone.

    From the copy of the NISC (Network Interconnection Service Contract) I have:

    Subject to clauses 4.2 to 4.4, the price of the Text Message Service to be provided under this Agreement, and which the Originating Party agrees to pay, is 14.0 cents for each Chargeable Text Message.

    From the Voice NISC:

    Chargeable Call Rate: Peak - 2.9c Off Peak 0.9c.

    Go figure...

    1. Re:Are you sure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good post.

      (sorry - nothing else to say!)

  53. Article with interview by The+Ancients · · Score: 3, Insightful
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2928008a28,00. html

    Following is a link to an article in New Zealand's major daily on the company itself - may they rot in hell. Anti-competitive personified.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID =3570468

  54. For your information by seizer · · Score: 2, Informative

    1) Not sure where you are, but in most places it's 160 chars/msg.

    2) Almost all providers charge a "termination cost" per message entering their network (UK providers charge 3p per terminated message). Unlimited deals rely on the fact that most text messages generate a response, thus bringing that revenue back.

    1. Re:For your information by khuber · · Score: 1
      in most places it's 160 chars/msg

      It's 160 chars if you use 7 bit characters since 140 bytes * 8/7 = 160. If you need to use UTF-16 you have 70 characters max. SMS has got to be the most ridiculous message format I've ever seen! Only telcos could come up with a standard that bad.

    2. Re:For your information by __aafkqj3628 · · Score: 1

      1) Not sure where you are, but in most places it's 160 chars/msg.

      Only over the GSM network here. SMS over Telecom is 140.

      Remember, fewer characters, more messages, more $$$

    3. Re:For your information by halfnerd · · Score: 3, Interesting

      SMS has got to be the most ridiculous message format I've ever seen! Only telcos could come up with a standard that bad.

      It was newer mean to be an instant-messaging protocol. SMS is built on top of the simple debugging messages that the GSM standard allows. Some engineers at Nokia started playing around with the idea and didn't bother to design a real solution.

  55. Who needs phones anyway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I was born using carrier pigeons and I'll die using carrier pigeons.

    1. Re:Who needs phones anyway? by JRootabega · · Score: 1

      Yes, probably of salmonella.

    2. Re:Who needs phones anyway? by wjwlsn · · Score: 1

      What the hell are you using them for?!

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    3. Re:Who needs phones anyway? by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "I was born using carrier pigeons and I'll die using carrier pigeons. "

      Breaking News: Long-time Slashdot frequenter Anonymous Coward died today in his home after being attacked by a swarm of pigeons.

      In other Earth Shattering news, Harry Potter The Prisoner of Azkaban unexpectedly became the top grossing movie of this particular weekend...

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  56. Poor sheep by Sleiphnir · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    But what about the poor sheep! He would probaably been busy all day and still managed eight hours sleep, but what time did that leave for all the sheep shagging? Poor neglected sheep.

  57. Cellphone Bill Says... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can you hear me now? Good! Good! Immona Live Forever!

  58. New Zealand by empaler · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's New Zealand. Unlike 'old' Zealand (where I live), the New one is full of nature's freaks. Twelve-toed snakes and five-thumbed humans and whatnot.
    Here on 'old' Zealand we just have freaks of society...

    1. Re:New Zealand by PlazMatiC · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hey! I resemble that comment :(

    2. Re:New Zealand by Derf+the · · Score: 1


      No....

      No snakes here.

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  59. Sweet Revenge!!! by JRHelgeson · · Score: 4, Funny

    I once used this to exact revenge against my ex-wife. We were still married at the time, headed for divorce when she took off to Vegas, by car, with her boyfriend for a weekend of sport fscking, I'm sure.

    I was obviously pissed as I knew she was going somewhere, and suspected it would be with her 'boyfriend' so I paged her, but she never returned my call.

    What I did then was setup Telex (BBS Software) on my PC to dial her pager number, wait for 2 seconds, then enter my cell phone number and hang up, repeated ad infinum. It took a total of 8 seconds for each paging cycle. I knew she was leaving pager range but what did I care.

    I was sending out 450 pages per hour, starting on a Friday afternoon. I stopped paging once she returned to town that Monday. I paged her no fewer than 32,400 times that weekend. What I did was a denial of service attack on her pager where she was charged 10 cents for each page over 1000 per month.

    My satisfaction grew once I heard that she received a $3,200 pager bill for that month, which she never paid and I'm sure is still on her credit report.

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    1. Re:Sweet Revenge!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can't imagine why your wife would rather be with another man than with you. You sound like a total dreamboat.

      Putting myself in her position, it might have been worth the $3,200 to receive absolute assurance that she was making the right decision.

      Posted anonymously, lest you decide to take revenge against me too.

    2. Re:Sweet Revenge!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My revenge on my X is making her realize what she walked away from. It's much sweeter listening to her bitch about her boyfriend and how broke she is, and thinking "you did it to yourself bitch".

    3. Re:Sweet Revenge!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I hope the terms of your divorce are final, because this kind of cyber-stalking will make you look a lot less sympathetic... And it's also a good way to get slapped with a restraining order, or worse.


      BTW, does she (or her lawyers) know your Slashdot ID? Because if they do, I wouldn't be surprised if you ended up in small claims court. Good luck defending yourself after this "confession."

    4. Re:Sweet Revenge!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I was sending out 450 pages per hour, starting on a Friday afternoon. I stopped paging once she returned to town that Monday. I paged her no fewer than 32,400 times that weekend. What I did was a denial of service attack on her pager where she was charged 10 cents for each page over 1000 per month.
      My satisfaction grew once I heard that she received a $3,200 pager bill for that month, which she never paid and I'm sure is still on her credit report.

      ... And techno-geeks wonder why women prefer the dumb athletic type. The good looking dumb guy's just going to go screw someone else... The geek is going to spend the next year in his basement figuring out new ways to ruin your credit rating.

    5. Re:Sweet Revenge!!! by JRHelgeson · · Score: 1

      Bah!
      All is fair, in love and war.

      Need I say more?

      --
      Good security is based upon reality and common sense. Common sense is a function of having common knowledge.
    6. Re:Sweet Revenge!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He already said that he entered his own cell phone number on each page. She knows who did it. RTFC.

    7. Re:Sweet Revenge!!! by JRHelgeson · · Score: 1

      Uh, I was paging her with my Cell Phone number... I wasn't exactly trying to hide the fact that I was the one making the calls.

      And there was no stalking involved...

      I'll say it again, all is fair in love and war!

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      Good security is based upon reality and common sense. Common sense is a function of having common knowledge.
    8. Re:Sweet Revenge!!! by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      And there was no stalking involved.

      You might be right... I guess setting your modem software to autodial a pager / mobile number isn't stalking in the traditional sense. You are not exactly tracking their movements or are trying to pursue them for a confrontation. However this could be considered a form of harrassment since you said your self you basicly wanted charge up their cell phone bill.

      Not like I don't understand and haven't felt this way tward someone before... just when you do it and tell people about it it makes you look like a foofoo head. Not only that, but there is a record of one looking like a foofoo head. Not exactly a smart thing to do when you are doing that divorce thing. It just gives someone an excuse to slap a restraining order on your ass so you are forced pay bucks to talk through lawyers to deal with trivial things like I want my Young Fresh Tape back. Besides, you can talk to support and tell them you have a wacko harrassing you and often times those charges get removed, at least from my experence.

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    9. Re:Sweet Revenge!!! by jgoemat · · Score: 1

      Hmmm... Still married at the time but headed for divorce. As her married partner, you are responsible for her debts as well. Don't be surprised if you open up your credit rating and find an unpaid $3,200 pager bill on there :)

  60. Oh, come on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Free healthcare is a load of crap. Any right-thinking person would already know that.

    1. Re:Oh, come on by Welsh+Dwarf · · Score: 1

      Depends where you are, free health care here is brilliant, you can hardly find better.

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      Ask 8 slackers a question, get 10 awnsers (a citation, but I can't remember from who)
  61. It's a scam in most places. by TheLink · · Score: 1

    It's a bigger scam than that. 80K messages at 160 characters only works out to 12MB.

    If it's 40 characters on average that's only 3MB.

    How much are most telco's charging for SMS?

    Talk about profiteering.

    Compare with 9600bps voice = about 70KB/minute. 170 minutes of talk time = 12MB.
    42 minutes of talk time = 3MB.

    (OK not full duplex - but hey they don't have to transmit silent pauses - and I'm not even sure they always support full duplex voice).

    Futhermore text messages can be delayed by the telco till when its convenient/cheaper to send - fill out the unused bandwidth.

    In some countries (e.g. Philippines) text messaging is free.

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    1. Re:It's a scam in most places. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Compare with 9600bps voice

      I'm not very familiar with cell phones, but regular phone lines are 64,000bps (8 bits, 8KHz, raw data, no compression). That comes out to 480KB/minute. Which is 25.6 minutes of talk time. Three MB comes out to 6.4 minutes.

  62. In Denmark by empaler · · Score: 1

    The interconnectivity-fee is US$ 0.04 (ca.), and I pay less per message.
    We also have a provider that offers the same service as a part of one of their subscriptions (charged at about US$ 25 a month). On the minus side, they have one of the most expensive minuterates, almost twice mine.

  63. Price around here by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 1

    I pay 80 øre (approx. 12 cent) per minute for phoning with the cell-phone, and 20 øre (approx. 3 cents) per text message. And no subscription fee.

    But it is not really the price that matters. I send an SMS if the message is not important enough to interrupt the other person for.

    1. Re:Price around here by Master+Cougar · · Score: 1

      I use them that way too, though the few people I have to send messages too hate sms messaging. I used them to communicate with people that live in a different city than I do, avoiding LD costs. My current plan costs me 5$ per month to send up to 75 a month. I've never gone over. I can receive over 2500 free per month.

  64. Telecom isn't a very nice provider by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No one likes telecom. The people that work there hate there jobs and the company they work for. The only reason they still exist is because they control 95% of the phone lines. Telecom went around and rang up everyone who is with vodaphone and asked there cusomters to switch and said they will give them unlimited text messaging. Its a big move to switch providers as you have to buy a new phone. No one feels sorry for telecom. The world would be better if there monopoly was broken. This is just pay back to a company that has treated its customers and employees like shit.

  65. rofl by t_allardyce · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think what he was trying to proove was that it costs the phone company pretty much nothing to route a text message, which is a stupid protest because the phone company probably didnt even feel it and is laughing over the morning newspaper. On my phone it costs between about 5p and 10p which is still a rip-off, but what really pisses me off more than anything, is the priority at which sms traffic gets given, sometimes it can get lost for several hours and you have to think HOW FUCKING HARD IS IT TO ROUTE 160 BYTES?!? I swear the leaching phone companies use the internet for some of it, especially if it goes over-seas which pisses me off even more - you put something that will fit into a single packet through a free network and then charge nearly a dollar?!? yes i know they are just trying to make money, but the point is, and i think that guy is with me here, WE are the union of phone users and if we all push our weight and say to the phone companies FUCK YOU then we can get what we want and they can be are bitch slaves. Ok or they could just make it much cheaper, why do we put up with this? this has to be the most poor yet most widely used mobile service in the world and yet we take all its bullshit? 160 characters! thats all you get in this day and age!? This is their little money cow, rip the customers off and they will stand for it because no-one is organised enough to mass protest it.

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    1. Re:rofl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can give them that big FU.
      Stop using SMS. (one has to be the first)

      Or better: end your subscription.

    2. Re:rofl by mazterofpupetz · · Score: 1

      well that's why those companies bring in that kind of money. no one can have a big enough impact to change a companies ways

    3. Re:rofl by k.ovaska · · Score: 1
      I remember reading that SMS messages are transmitted on the air during idle periods; it puts little additional strain to the phone->link tower network. And when the message is on the backbone, its size probably gets lost in the noise. Then there are message centers that process the messages, but they can't cost that much. So, physical transmission of SMS should cost next to nothing.

      "160 bytes should be enough for everyone", eh! It's funny that nowadays phones enable longer text messages, but they are transmitted as several 160 B messages and you have to pay double-triple cost, at least in here.

    4. Re:rofl by t_allardyce · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One protest means nothing (just like this guy). The only protest thats worth anything is mass protest, syncronised, organised, with one goal: to tell those gready basterds no! we will not sit here in silence, we will not take your pricing, we will have our cake and eat it, we are one and we are many! WE ARE YOUR CUSTOMERS!

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  66. RTFA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    RTFA! It says he texted WHILE the free text period was still active, not after...I object, because you poke fun at him for something he hasn't done!

  67. Easy. by frostman · · Score: 1

    Borrow a friend's phone. Preferably one with a large memory.

    Write one message. Send it to that phone. Repeat.

    When the other phone's memory is full, erase the messages.

    Caffeinate. Repeat.

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    This Like That - fun with words!

  68. Maybe he made new ones by Chemisor · · Score: 2, Funny

    You know, if you keep sending "Hi. How are you?" to everyone you see, eventually you'll make a few new friends. Some of them might even be beautiful women.

  69. Your punchline... by talaphid · · Score: 1

    Falls short of the fact that there are now two news articles about it, versus the zero that I'd wager at least one other irate (former?) customer must also be trying to generate.

  70. 80,012 Text Messages In One Month by pipingguy · · Score: 3, Funny


    I thimk you mispelled the word, "spam".

  71. This is a protest?? by isny · · Score: 2, Funny

    This seems like a stupid way to protest. I'm going to protest Dairy Queen not offering free unlimited ice cream!! Everybody meet me there to buy an ice cream!!

    I guess this guy's business plan is:
    1. Buy lots of company A's product while, at the same time, protesting it.
    2. ???
    3. Profit!

    That must be some of that "new economy" stuff.

  72. Prices on SMS and phonecall. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you compare the bandwith needed for am SMS with the band width needed for a phonecall, you will notice that SMS'es are (usually) fairly overpriced. In other words the SMSing teens pay part of the phone bill for the rest of us.

    Once the market settles these prices will change. The price of an SMS will go down, and the price of a mobile phone conversation will go up. Anyway agree with you that free SMS is somewhat silly.

  73. mod parent down.. did not RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...EOM...

  74. Sue sue sue sue sue! by sabNetwork · · Score: 2, Interesting

    IANAL, especially not a New Zealand lawyer, but at least by US standards, this is false advertising.

    Look at the details of the plan that they advertise.

    Text Messaging $0.20 - But you'll pay no more than $10 a month

    There is no fine print. There is nothing to lead me to believe that I cannot send 100,000 text messages for $10.

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    1. Re:Sue sue sue sue sue! by MacrosTheBlack · · Score: 1

      That's not the plan they're talking about.

      Here is the plan that is now in effect but was previously unlimited texting (& only texting) for only NZ$10. This was mainly used by prepaid users, who could use their phones all the time for a small monthly fee.

      The previous plan had unlimted texting to any phone, overseas or Vodafone. The new plan is just for 025/027 with are Telecom numbers. Other phones are charged NZ$0.20.

  75. 80,012 !? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The last 12 messages must have been the most gratifying.

  76. Hes an idiot by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    He managed to prove their point of why they have to resend the "unlmited offer"..

    Im all for protest to make a statement when you are getting screwed, but come on, use a bit of common sence when you do it.

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  77. Re:In my opinion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you had any social life at all you would know that clubs and parties are noisy and there are some conversations that you do not want overheard.

  78. Wow is all I can say by jason.mitchell · · Score: 1, Funny

    [sarcasm] Wow, what an accomplishment. He must have a life too. [/sarcasm]

  79. Unlimited isn't so bad... by ndnet · · Score: 1

    ...as long as the price is right. Maybe ten wasn't enough, but it appears to me that it's Telecom's responsibility to leave themself a large buffer in their projections, then dropping the price if feasible.

    Hell, it beats the US. You can buy a 500 msg plan for ~$8, sure, but what if you don't use that much? If I send a msg from my Cell One phone to my mom's Verizon phone, I get charged a dime to send and she a dime to recieve. But if she sends and I receive, it's free for both of us. Why?

    But then again, text messaging isn't as widespread in the US. Personally, I'm waiting on phones that have reasonably working IM. They exist, but not around here. I have DSL, so whip up a gateway (not too hard, really, using Trillian) and you're good to go.

    1. Re:Unlimited isn't so bad... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      I have "free" text messaging on my AT&T Wireless (well, not AT&T anymore, although the phone still says so) and I only send three or four a month. Still, they keep "accidentally" forgetting to not charge me for them.

      I set up my mail server to route messages sent to a specific address to my cell phone's gateway. Works very well, and I find that it cuts down on the number of actual phone conversations considerably, particularly during the day.

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  80. I'm glad I'm not this guys friend! by CrazyTalk · · Score: 1

    Imagine getting the "Hi How are you" message every few minutes for a month. It would drive me insane!

  81. Really highway robbery by swb · · Score: 1

    It's ridiculous what it costs, especially when you consider the demands on the network relative to a voice call are near zero.

  82. The text of the messages: by JRHelgeson · · Score: 1

    Can you hear me now?...
    Good!!!

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  83. mass-mailing by Tom · · Score: 1

    which I thought was physically impossible.

    It's called "software". You can't see it, but it runs on the big heater-thing you have in the corner, the one hooked up to that weird TV on the desk.

    I know I could link up palm pilot to my cellular via infrared and send SMS directly from the PDA. That was 8 years ago.

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  84. Why won't they cap the accounts? by craXORjack · · Score: 3, Informative
    I recently received a faulty cell phone bill for $2000 claiming that I sent 40,000 text messages in one month

    When I got a cell phone recently I was asked for some very personal info such as social security number, drivers license number, date of birth. When I asked why they claimed it was so they could "find" me if I charged up a big phone bill and then refused to pay. I didn't think they needed to start a dossier on me so I asked several of these phone service providers if I could get my account capped at some low amount. I even offered to leave a deposit for this amount. They said they won't do that. I am still mystified as to why. Credit card companies will do it. They will even question charges that appear fraudulent. But a telecomm company won't?

    I ended up getting one of them to agree to remove my social security number from there computer file by zeroing it out after performing a credit check. I suspect it is still in their computer though. Does anyone know why a phone company would actually need your most personal information?

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  85. Bad business. by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 1
    Well, he can protest all he wants about the messaging costing money, but when he receives his bill, he'll have to pay for it just the same. The phone company will make money out of it, and he'll be out however much it will cost him.

    What a great protest!!!

  86. American Idol by Krizhek · · Score: 1

    Any one remember the American Idol deal where a Hawaii girl won a round, and alot of people woundered how she did it?... well I think we know how...

  87. How many.....? by kc8jhs · · Score: 1

    How many of the messages were FP comments on /.?

    -Mikey P

  88. Re:Anyone else been stationed in Berlin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was there too - during the Night of the Long Anal Knives. I still hope Hiter's corpse will rise from the grave and bugger me senseless while I'm blowing a German Shepard. Oh - Happy D-Day!

    PS - The French are cowards and always will be.

  89. Why the cost of text messaging? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I've never figured out why text messaging is so _expensive_ on cellphones.

    Consider that voice minutes are built into my calling plan (in the US). If I use all my daytime minutes in one month, my cost per minute is $0.17 ($35 month/200 minutes). One second of voice data should consist of about 8kb of data (landlines, at least, I thought were 8000 samples/sec at 8 bits/sample, in some funny encoding). So one minute of voice is 480 kilobytes of data, for $0.17.

    Now, my service charges...hm, it's 5 or 10 cents for a text message. Each text message is limited to about 200 bytes; if an incoming message is longer, it gets split into multiple messages. So I pay maybe 5 cents for 200 bytes...at the same data cost, a minute of voice data would cost $120/minute! Not to mention on the average phone, text messaging is a real pain to use (just a numeric keypad). I only use it when I need to email someone because they're on the phone. It seems like a text message _should_ cost about $0.00007 (480,000 bytes/200 bytes * $0.17/minute for voice) based on the amount of data sent relative to voice calls.

    It just seems like it'd be in the phone company's favor to have free messaging. Text messaging has got to put less of a load on the system than voice(can support more users at a time for the same infrastructure); every message sent replaces the need to handle a (relatively expensive) call.

    1. Re:Why the cost of text messaging? by FLEB · · Score: 1

      You know... there could be an opportunity there, if someone were to devise a text-messaging system at the endpoints, which just modemed the the message through the voice circuits of the phone. Both parties would need an "enabled" phone, but it would go over just like voice.

      Granted, they'd probably just pull a Big-Bell style "can't hook that up to our networks"...

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      Entertainment wants to be paid.
      You just want to be cheap.
    2. Re:Why the cost of text messaging? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Off topic but I've been waiting to use this:

      For some time I have had the feeling that the gas companies were using the increased oil price to justify grossly inflated prices. So I decided to make some calculations. I am an engineer and I recently interviewed for a position at a major US oil refinery. The engineer I was talking to mentioned in passing that you get 65 gallons of gasoline from each barrel of oil. This is because when oil is refined it becomes less dense, you might say "fluffier". Think of it like getting a quart of whipped cream from a pint of heavy cream.

      If this is correct and if all other costs are constant, the price of gasoline should increase about $0.153 for every dollar increase in the price of oil ($165).

      Here in northwest SC I remember the pump price of gasoline as slightly less then $0.80 per gallon in the summer of 1998. According to HTTP://www.eia.doe.gov the price of crude oil at that time was $12.52. With the current price at $41, the cost of oil has risen $28.48 since then. Multiply $28.48 by $0.153 and the cost of gasoline should have risen by 43.57. Based on the 1998 pump price, the current price should be $0.80+$0.43 = $1.23 per gallon. That same station is currently selling gas at $1.85, If we assume a 2% inflation rate over this period the price should be $1.39 or 46 difference. Weather the difference is 46, or 65, it is all excess profits flowing directly to the oil companies. Multiply that by the amount of gasoline we consume and you will find the excess profit is enormous. There is no doubt that they are price gouging.

    3. Re:Why the cost of text messaging? by undercanopy · · Score: 1

      problem with that is the billing mechanisms of the cellphone providers. it doesn't matter how short a 1 min call is, it shows up as 1 min on my bill. Not sure about all cell networks, but i imagine they're all similar in scope. There was some telcom provider offering 6 second accuracy to their billing (not sure if it was Cell or Landline LD) which is better, but is still way more than such a service/device would need and therefore a waste.

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  90. Unlimited Use != Unlimited Use Anymore by Laebshade · · Score: 1

    Or so some companies would have you believe. About 6 years ago, when broadband was starting to sprout up, we still had dial-up. We used Bellsouth dial-up a lot, after all it was "unlimited access".One day Bellsouth notified us and said we were abusing the unlimited access. We also had netzero (free then), and the irony was that Netzero had better connection speeds than Bellsouth.

  91. And noone considered... by tonejava · · Score: 1

    ...that perhaps his phone is hooked up to a PC and sending them automatically?

    I sometimes think that all these SMS incidents including people who claim to sms 2000 times a day to competitions that they have access to an SMS gateway or something.

    Reminds of the time my mate wrote a BASIC program to print out his "lines" that he was given as discipline. Back then the teachers thought he had typed it all up but all it was:

    10 println "I shall not talk while the teacher is talking"
    20 goto 10
  92. TIA anyone? by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

    Imagine a government agency receives backlash for proposing to database everyone, and is "forced" to drop this proposal. Instead, they make it financially attractive for private companies to do the data collection for them, by buying the database.

    Not so hard to imagine, is it?

    Mal-2

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  93. old stuff.. by techefnet · · Score: 1

    This is old stuff tho, i read it like a month ago. :) But it would been better if he wrote an java application or something for sending the messages instead of putting all this work in it. :)

  94. I hate you by 3.5+stripes · · Score: 1

    100 Mbps???

    I am glowing green like chernobyl with jealousy.

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    He tried to kill me with a forklift!
  95. Abuse Clause by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I sure hope his carrier does not have any abuse clauses in his ToS! A couple of US carriers are cracking down on these types who are abusing "unlimited" services just to abuse them.

  96. so beat 800 a day (received) by blanks · · Score: 1

    I had my kiosks setup to send out a text message to my cellphone.

    28 computers
    sending 1 message an hour (24 hours)

    + 1 message each time a computer is used
    + 1 message after each reboot (reboots every 3 users)
    + 1 if a bill validator is jammed.
    +1 at 4am giving a status report of the machine rebooting (set to reboot at least once a day)

    This equals about 800 messages a day. I tried this for a week (about 5600 text messages) and had to just have them sent to an email address, I couldnt handle going through the mail box steps 60+ times a hour.

  97. Mobile Phones for /. Peachfuzz Beard Kiddies by lifespan · · Score: 0

    Mate, just wait until it becomes deregulated (govt rules removed and industry governs itself) and privatised (public assett sold to private company) like it is here in Australia. I've stopped using mobile phones because the costs just keep going up and up and up, the plans are mean and tricky and the salespeople generally don't have a clue, especially about their own terms and conditions.

    I now enjoy uninterrupted leisure time like I used to in the 70/80's (minus the Atari 2600). If I don't want to receive calls I leave the house or use Caller ID (now thats useful technology) to screen out time stealers.

    If I need to talk to someone while I'm out I use a payphone or, brace yourself kiddies, I wait until I get home to call. Yes seriously, I WAIT!!! OMG!!! It's that thing you used to do before you got broadband. You know, that thing you do while Mommy makes your breakfast.

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  98. Texting isn't a fad by grahamsz · · Score: 1

    Depends where you live, but many cellphone networks have extortionate charges for placing cross-network calls. When I was in the UK i had to pay 45p (80c) per minute to call a different network off peak - more during the day. Versus around 1p (2c) a minute to call a land line or another customer on the same network.

    Personally i had a calling card service, so i could pay landline rates + calling card cellphone rates... but most people weren't that committed.

    Text messaging is a far cheaper way to have the same conversation, plus it's far less invasive than actually calling.

    It's been with us since networks went digital in the early 90s - it's no fad :)

    Now video messaging - that's a fad.