The GP is a moron who accuses everyone of being a Nazi. You, however, are an even larger moron and a threat to democracy. Instead of being happy when assholes expose themselves, you want to force them into the dark corners where they won't be discovered. You've decided that there are limits to speech. Who decides these limits? You? You're both idiots.
Begin Rope is hardly a valid physical threat. It's a vague general threat against an unspecified somebody. Nobody was actually targeted, not in the singular sense. The "threat" barely even qualifies against a group. Anyone of any common sense knows this asshole is just blowing hot air. He probably lives in a basement and jerks it to tranny porn, no doubt imagining himself as the bottom.
Grow a thicker skin.. Jesus Christ.... Your complaints and whining remind me of a 6 year old girl who isn't getting her way.
..or are you a China shill? Paid? Foreign national operative perhaps, astroturfing China to the West?
Are you fucking serious? That's the tactic you are going to use? EVERYONE knows you just lost the argument. You couldn't be bothered to expend a couple of calories to state your case, instead you cunted out and attacked his character. That's the last tactic of the lazy liberal left. You're a coward and now you're a public pussy. I hope you don't interact with adults on a daily basis.
You're describing fascism. If you you were describing communism the 131999 Apple employees would be far better off and Tim Cook wouldn't be worth $800m by himself.
Yeah. Like all the soviet citizens in comparison to the party elites.
The population of the country of Luxembourg is 590,00.
What the fuck is that number? Is that 59,000? Is that 590,000? Is it 590? I know people in Europe use a comma instead of a period sometimes (is it universal?), but I thought y'all still grouped your shit in threes like the rest of us...
Yes, that's how you use OTP. The issues are:
- You need a true RNG, i.e. specialized hardware (/dev/random may be ok). And these typically have a rather low bandwidth. That's fine for short message, less so for HD video.
We're talking big budgets for cases where OTP are appropriate.. One could have a microwave receiver pointed at the CMB (cosmic microwave background) and use that... Just an idea.. But that's about as random as you can ask for.
- You need to transfer a lot of data using your secure (e.g. physical) channel. As much random data as all the data you intend to send. It means that it can't be memorized or told, you need a physical support, like a USB stick for instance. There is quite a lot of work involved in order to transfer it, store it securely and destroy it. All that logistical nightmare opens a lot of potential attack vectors. Printed paper can be seen on camera, USB sticks can be stolen, your mailbox can be opened, people can follow you to your in-person meeting.
Agreed. You MUST have at least as much random data as data you plan to encrypt. Printed paper cannot be seen on camera if it's bound in book form. While a USB stick can be stolen, I have specified SEVERAL times that I was talking about defeating an online adversary. You don't get to mix the two. If we're going out into the real world there's no fucking point encrypting the data in the first place. You put it on a USB stick, put that in an armored car, and have an Apache Gunship escort them.. Yeah, encrypting the data would add one more layer, but....
My only point was that we already have quantum resistant cryptography TODAY. I didn't say it was convenient or easy to use.. Simply that it exists and is unbreakable. Unbreakable for all time. Well, until we get brain reading machines I suppose.. But the ciphers are mathematically provably secure.
I also specified that, while not convenient, there are some cases where OTP would be worthwhile IF the stakes were big enough; wire transfer of $1BN for example. Or, perhaps you have to move some ultra secret plans via the internet... If you're going to do it more than once or on a regular basis, you provide the recipient with matching OTPs ahead of time. Not practical for you and I checking our bank balances, but practical for plenty of things involving national security. If your adversary has the most capable quantum computer ever, he's still not breaking that OTP if you used a good random source..
I know from personal experience that the US military uses some... physically shared ciphers (or used to) on a daily basis for some things. They were strips of paper that you did what you had to do with them and then they were burned in front of at least 2 other witnesses. They may not have been OTP (maybe they were, but it wasn't my area of expertise) but them things were secure.. Printed out.. carried to where they were needed, used, and then burned..
Lather, rinse, and repeat 24 hours later.
One time pads.. Totally safe against quantum computers.. There are ways of distributing those safely when your adversary is online.
Oh yea, that key distribution problem is a bear you know... Maybe we can order one time pads from Amazon now? With prime shipping it will only take a day to get them.
Yeah, that's what I was implying..... I didn't imply it would be easy or even practical. I simply stated it was absolutely secure against quantum attacks, and it is.
For Joe User, it's not a solution.. For Fortune 500 Corp it could be. If we couldn't come up with anything else that would resist quantum attacks, it might be worth it to generate physical OTPs if you're transferring a billion dollars or something...
To clarify, I mean generate the OTP and print that out.. The email message can still be transmitted through the normal internet, but if the key never touches the online world no computer, quantum or otherwise, can ever break that message.
OTP is private key / symmetric cryptography: you have to transfer the one time pad to the other party using a secure channel before you can communicate securely. That would be the equivalent of AES, and AES is still unbroken, even with a hypothetical quantum computer.
You can transfer them physically. That is the most secure possible way of transferring data if your adversary is online. I specified this. If you generate a OTP, on a non internet connected computer, print it out, and transfer the copy physically to the other end, and only use it once, you're golden. Nobody online can break that message.
No.. no.. I believe there are a couple of quantum computers out there.. They're only going to get better/smaller.. Things don't tend to get larger/worse...
It's no big deal really, the resources to do much with it are so insane that only a few people have it - and so intel agencies will watch - and if they use it for cracking, off goes their internet nationally. Fuck China lol.
Guess you haven't been keeping up with what quantum computing is all about.. Gonna be hard to spy on anyone when they are using quantum networking.. Observe a single bit and the sender/receiver know they're being watched..
Every alcoholic I personally know is a beer / wine alchy. I'm not saying that your scenario never happens, but from what I have personally observed people just drink more... 6 pack to a 24 pack.. etc.
Guess you missed that article about how Facebook gathers data about people who aren't on Facebook (shadow profiles). Keep telling us how you don't use Facebook.
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The GP is a moron who accuses everyone of being a Nazi. You, however, are an even larger moron and a threat to democracy. Instead of being happy when assholes expose themselves, you want to force them into the dark corners where they won't be discovered. You've decided that there are limits to speech. Who decides these limits? You? You're both idiots.
Begin Rope is hardly a valid physical threat. It's a vague general threat against an unspecified somebody. Nobody was actually targeted, not in the singular sense. The "threat" barely even qualifies against a group. Anyone of any common sense knows this asshole is just blowing hot air. He probably lives in a basement and jerks it to tranny porn, no doubt imagining himself as the bottom.
Grow a thicker skin.. Jesus Christ.... Your complaints and whining remind me of a 6 year old girl who isn't getting her way.
Are you fucking serious? That's the tactic you are going to use? EVERYONE knows you just lost the argument. You couldn't be bothered to expend a couple of calories to state your case, instead you cunted out and attacked his character. That's the last tactic of the lazy liberal left. You're a coward and now you're a public pussy. I hope you don't interact with adults on a daily basis.
Google's inability of one of the world's richest company's inability to execute messaging on a platform it owns?
What the fuck?
You going to pay for it? Or do you expect to be provided with a service at absolutely no cost to you? If ads don't pay for it, something has to.
Filth like you use language to deliberately degrade other human beings to you're own privileged advantage.
And you just used language to degrade another human. Fuck off hypocrite
You're describing fascism. If you you were describing communism the 131999 Apple employees would be far better off and Tim Cook wouldn't be worth $800m by himself.
Yeah. Like all the soviet citizens in comparison to the party elites.
You breathe through your mouth don't you?
You do realize that despising "political correctness" means you despise treating people with decency.
Holy fuck! That might be the most retarded thing I have ever read.
The population of the country of Luxembourg is 590,00.
What the fuck is that number? Is that 59,000? Is that 590,000? Is it 590? I know people in Europe use a comma instead of a period sometimes (is it universal?), but I thought y'all still grouped your shit in threes like the rest of us...
So, it's worth it to collect the fare via taxes, but not from the actual assholes using it? Okay...............
Bravo!
Nothing in life is free.....
When your entire country is the size of a postage stamp...........
Yes, that's how you use OTP. The issues are: - You need a true RNG, i.e. specialized hardware (/dev/random may be ok). And these typically have a rather low bandwidth. That's fine for short message, less so for HD video.
We're talking big budgets for cases where OTP are appropriate.. One could have a microwave receiver pointed at the CMB (cosmic microwave background) and use that... Just an idea.. But that's about as random as you can ask for.
- You need to transfer a lot of data using your secure (e.g. physical) channel. As much random data as all the data you intend to send. It means that it can't be memorized or told, you need a physical support, like a USB stick for instance. There is quite a lot of work involved in order to transfer it, store it securely and destroy it. All that logistical nightmare opens a lot of potential attack vectors. Printed paper can be seen on camera, USB sticks can be stolen, your mailbox can be opened, people can follow you to your in-person meeting.
Agreed. You MUST have at least as much random data as data you plan to encrypt. Printed paper cannot be seen on camera if it's bound in book form. While a USB stick can be stolen, I have specified SEVERAL times that I was talking about defeating an online adversary. You don't get to mix the two. If we're going out into the real world there's no fucking point encrypting the data in the first place. You put it on a USB stick, put that in an armored car, and have an Apache Gunship escort them.. Yeah, encrypting the data would add one more layer, but....
My only point was that we already have quantum resistant cryptography TODAY. I didn't say it was convenient or easy to use.. Simply that it exists and is unbreakable. Unbreakable for all time. Well, until we get brain reading machines I suppose.. But the ciphers are mathematically provably secure.
I also specified that, while not convenient, there are some cases where OTP would be worthwhile IF the stakes were big enough; wire transfer of $1BN for example. Or, perhaps you have to move some ultra secret plans via the internet... If you're going to do it more than once or on a regular basis, you provide the recipient with matching OTPs ahead of time. Not practical for you and I checking our bank balances, but practical for plenty of things involving national security. If your adversary has the most capable quantum computer ever, he's still not breaking that OTP if you used a good random source..
I know from personal experience that the US military uses some... physically shared ciphers (or used to) on a daily basis for some things. They were strips of paper that you did what you had to do with them and then they were burned in front of at least 2 other witnesses. They may not have been OTP (maybe they were, but it wasn't my area of expertise) but them things were secure.. Printed out.. carried to where they were needed, used, and then burned.. Lather, rinse, and repeat 24 hours later.
One time pads.. Totally safe against quantum computers.. There are ways of distributing those safely when your adversary is online.
Oh yea, that key distribution problem is a bear you know... Maybe we can order one time pads from Amazon now? With prime shipping it will only take a day to get them.
Yeah, that's what I was implying..... I didn't imply it would be easy or even practical. I simply stated it was absolutely secure against quantum attacks, and it is.
For Joe User, it's not a solution.. For Fortune 500 Corp it could be. If we couldn't come up with anything else that would resist quantum attacks, it might be worth it to generate physical OTPs if you're transferring a billion dollars or something...
To clarify, I mean generate the OTP and print that out.. The email message can still be transmitted through the normal internet, but if the key never touches the online world no computer, quantum or otherwise, can ever break that message.
OTP is private key / symmetric cryptography: you have to transfer the one time pad to the other party using a secure channel before you can communicate securely. That would be the equivalent of AES, and AES is still unbroken, even with a hypothetical quantum computer.
You can transfer them physically. That is the most secure possible way of transferring data if your adversary is online. I specified this. If you generate a OTP, on a non internet connected computer, print it out, and transfer the copy physically to the other end, and only use it once, you're golden. Nobody online can break that message.
It's called the OTP (one time pad). It's immune to quantum based attacks and, if your adversary is online only, you can distribute them physically..
One time pads.. Totally safe against quantum computers.. There are ways of distributing those safely when your adversary is online.
No.. no.. I believe there are a couple of quantum computers out there.. They're only going to get better/smaller.. Things don't tend to get larger/worse...
It's no big deal really, the resources to do much with it are so insane that only a few people have it - and so intel agencies will watch - and if they use it for cracking, off goes their internet nationally. Fuck China lol.
Guess you haven't been keeping up with what quantum computing is all about.. Gonna be hard to spy on anyone when they are using quantum networking.. Observe a single bit and the sender/receiver know they're being watched..
WTF? No you don't... If you su to root first, you can then su to any account with no password required.. Same with sudo su.
Every alcoholic I personally know is a beer / wine alchy. I'm not saying that your scenario never happens, but from what I have personally observed people just drink more... 6 pack to a 24 pack.. etc.
Guess you missed that article about how Facebook gathers data about people who aren't on Facebook (shadow profiles). Keep telling us how you don't use Facebook.
So.... corporate subsidies are bad unless it's something you want? Gotcha....
Yeah, it's totally unreasonable... considering about 40,000 people a year expire on the road..
What? Winos for one.. But you can be an alcoholic on beer alone....