Can you tell me of a single revolutionary idea introduced by a "Linux"&open-source oriented company?
Does Perl, one of the first widespread VHLLs, count? Not run by a business, I suppose, but contributed to by businesses. Am I allowed to suggest X, the first widespread network-transparent window system, again contributed to by many businesses? How about Mozilla's XUL? Maybe (a bad idea | a good idea whose time has not yet come), but a fairly radical idea.
Each Galeon or Mozilla thread weighs in at about 30MB of RAM.
Ah, sorry, I just assumed you were adding thread figures, because on my machine Galeon appears to use 15 MB of ram. Then again, I've only got 32 MB so maybe it's doing something clever like adjusting its memory usage based upon availability... ?
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The undoubtable fact is that the RIP act will reduce the exploitation of children, fraud, pornography, and more general crimes.
I don't think this is true. If I was trafficking child pr0n, I wouldn't think "ooh, I might have to give up my passwords one day, so I'll just send everything unencrypted now instead". Come to think of it, I wouldn't give my passwords away to the police if and when they raided me - better to get charged under RIP than to get caught trafficking child pr0n.
So genuine criminals won't change their behaviour because of this new law. The only people likely to be affected are the innocent, or those who have committed minor offences (illegal music copying?).
the extream left is just as dangerous as the extream left.
(I presume one of those lefts was a right?:) AFAIK Chumbawamba are not anti-democratic, which should be the deciding factor. (Racist => anti-democratic, if you think about it).
Untrue - I have spent over £100 ($150) on free software in the last two years (more than I have ever spent on propriatory software). I'll spend my money on things I actually want to. Why buy civ2 when you could have freeciv? (It runs on Windows, too, and allows you to play networked games)
the support was a "nightmare" due to the "multiple versions and everchanging kernels"
If he's talking about drivers in the kernel, then this is fair enough. However, if he's talking about things like the differences in filesystem layouts between distros then it's their own fault. There is a system designed for dealing with this: autoconf. No, you don't need to distribute the source - "make" could just be making a configuration script and a suitable type of package (rpm|deb|slp|tgz) for the architecture, and then installing it. No, the user doesn't have to type "./configure &&./make"; it could be part of the job of a script.
yes, it's been emerging for how many years now? 9!!!
Yes, in the sense that its market share has been increasing hugely for every one of those years. No, in the sense that it's only in the last 2 years that it's started making serious inroads into the market share of other OSes.
top counts memory used by multi-threaded processes multiple times, so you can't rely on the figures it gives unless you know the program in question is not multi-threaded.
At the risk of being moderated down by mozilla utopians
Well, you got modded up, not down, so your criticism of the bias of the moderators is unjustified in this case.
[Opera is] less bloated than IE/Netscape/Mozilla [...] faster than IE/Netscape/Mozilla [...] believes in things called standards
I take it you're refering to the Windows version? AFAICS the Linux version (4.0 beta) has nothing to recommend it above Galeon 0.8 or Konqueror 1.9.8 - anyone care to differ?
I suppose you've never heard of HP printers? HP electronic equipment? They're are hardly "patent-able first, usable second".
Well, my girlfriend has an HP Deskjet 710C, and there are patents on it, and it is barely useable under Linux (no colour, for example). So he's not entirely wrong.
Actually, I'd rather Eric Raymond and Bruce Perens didn't presume to speak for the open source or free software movement. Remember when Bruce posted a crass email from Eric Raymond and called the police?
Yeah, what use is getting a widely used toolkit freed if you're ever going to display any character flaws?
I'm trying to think of something that the "folks" you refer to (meaning, I assume, the Open Source community) has improved the state of the art.
Do we count things like bash (which most unix people seem to use) and autoconf and apt? or is the competition restricted to stuff like Freetype and Apache? (All of the above have improved the "state of the art" in the sense that there is at least one thing which each does better than any of the commonly available competition).
Why aren't you complaining about Netscape's original tactics that got them their 80% + share in the first place?
I wasn't aware of the issue back in 1997 - but I quite agree with you; that was no better. However, today it is Microsoft's market share which is high enough to endanger the w3c standard, and so it is them I am complaining about.
It's not only Spanish which is being "destroyed" by having to
integrate English words of "jargon" for technology
Actually, there's a lot more to a language than just the vocab: grammar is at least as important. For example, in Welsh the word for post (mail to Americans) is "post". But "email me" translates as "e-bostiwch mi", which a non-Welsh speaker would probably not recognise. Even if all the words are the same, the sentences are usually radically different.
But in any case there's only so much jargon which gets absorbed into a language. For example, lawyers always use Latin jargon, but if you listen to lawyers speak it's obviously English and not Latin.
The differences have grown to the point that the european and american versions of the tongue are almost mutually unitelligible (according to my sources anyway).
I think your sources may be exaggerating it somewhat. I know many mexicans who have no problems understanding spaniards, and vice-versa. Actually, even the difference between Castillian and Catalan is not that large - Spanish speakers who move to Catalan speaking areas can just "pick it up" without lessons.
There's a bigger difference between Brazilian Portugese and Portugese Portugese, but even there speakers can make themselves understood.
I'm a web designer [...] I dl'd netscape6 hoping to see how my pages looked [...] i've noticed some problems with nested tables and with javascript.
Can you give us some examples of these pages which ns4 and ie5 will both render correctly, but ns6 won't? Not doubting you, just interested to see it for myself.
I don't understand why people push Gtk as a viable commercial toolkit. [...] Oh well, Konqueror exists =)
Allowing for a couple of months difference in development time, I don't see much difference between the performance of Galeon (0.8) and the performance of Konqueror (1.9.8). I'm sure XUL is more of a speed bottleneck in Mozilla than GTK is.
if Linux is really making the oft-hyped huge leaps in the marketplace, with =>5% marketshare numbers thrown around, then why is it listed here at 1.09% share with the Macintosh listed at (equally underrated) 3.22%?
Maybe Windows users are more likely to be porn addicts than mac users are more likely to be porn addicts than Linux users?
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Does Perl, one of the first widespread VHLLs, count? Not run by a business, I suppose, but contributed to by businesses. Am I allowed to suggest X, the first widespread network-transparent window system, again contributed to by many businesses? How about Mozilla's XUL? Maybe (a bad idea | a good idea whose time has not yet come), but a fairly radical idea.
Ah, sorry, I just assumed you were adding thread figures, because on my machine Galeon appears to use 15 MB of ram. Then again, I've only got 32 MB so maybe it's doing something clever like adjusting its memory usage based upon availability
I don't think this is true. If I was trafficking child pr0n, I wouldn't think "ooh, I might have to give up my passwords one day, so I'll just send everything unencrypted now instead". Come to think of it, I wouldn't give my passwords away to the police if and when they raided me - better to get charged under RIP than to get caught trafficking child pr0n.
So genuine criminals won't change their behaviour because of this new law. The only people likely to be affected are the innocent, or those who have committed minor offences (illegal music copying?).
(I presume one of those lefts was a right?:) AFAIK Chumbawamba are not anti-democratic, which should be the deciding factor. (Racist => anti-democratic, if you think about it).
Untrue - I have spent over £100 ($150) on free software in the last two years (more than I have ever spent on propriatory software). I'll spend my money on things I actually want to. Why buy civ2 when you could have freeciv? (It runs on Windows, too, and allows you to play networked games)
If he's talking about drivers in the kernel, then this is fair enough. However, if he's talking about things like the differences in filesystem layouts between distros then it's their own fault. There is a system designed for dealing with this: autoconf. No, you don't need to distribute the source - "make" could just be making a configuration script and a suitable type of package (rpm|deb|slp|tgz) for the architecture, and then installing it. No, the user doesn't have to type "./configure &&
Yes, in the sense that its market share has been increasing hugely for every one of those years. No, in the sense that it's only in the last 2 years that it's started making serious inroads into the market share of other OSes.
Cool, does that mean they'll pay me to give out horseshoes and stop people walking under ladders?
top counts memory used by multi-threaded processes multiple times, so you can't rely on the figures it gives unless you know the program in question is not multi-threaded.
I take it you're refering to the Windows version? AFAICS the Linux version (4.0 beta) has nothing to recommend it above Galeon 0.8 or Konqueror 1.9.8 - anyone care to differ?
Well, my girlfriend has an HP Deskjet 710C, and there are patents on it, and it is barely useable under Linux (no colour, for example). So he's not entirely wrong.
Yeah, what use is getting a widely used toolkit freed if you're ever going to display any character flaws?
Do we count things like bash (which most unix people seem to use) and autoconf and apt? or is the competition restricted to stuff like Freetype and Apache? (All of the above have improved the "state of the art" in the sense that there is at least one thing which each does better than any of the commonly available competition).
I wasn't aware of the issue back in 1997 - but I quite agree with you; that was no better. However, today it is Microsoft's market share which is high enough to endanger the w3c standard, and so it is them I am complaining about.
It's not exactly unfair overall; in the same contexts, the world has to spell "Aluminum" "Aluminium".
Actually, there's a lot more to a language than just the vocab: grammar is at least as important. For example, in Welsh the word for post (mail to Americans) is "post". But "email me" translates as "e-bostiwch mi", which a non-Welsh speaker would probably not recognise. Even if all the words are the same, the sentences are usually radically different.
But in any case there's only so much jargon which gets absorbed into a language. For example, lawyers always use Latin jargon, but if you listen to lawyers speak it's obviously English and not Latin.
I think your sources may be exaggerating it somewhat. I know many mexicans who have no problems understanding spaniards, and vice-versa. Actually, even the difference between Castillian and Catalan is not that large - Spanish speakers who move to Catalan speaking areas can just "pick it up" without lessons.
There's a bigger difference between Brazilian Portugese and Portugese Portugese, but even there speakers can make themselves understood.
Can you give us some examples of these pages which ns4 and ie5 will both render correctly, but ns6 won't? Not doubting you, just interested to see it for myself.
Allowing for a couple of months difference in development time, I don't see much difference between the performance of Galeon (0.8) and the performance of Konqueror (1.9.8). I'm sure XUL is more of a speed bottleneck in Mozilla than GTK is.
But it would be better for the w3c to set the standards than MS.
Maybe Windows users are more likely to be porn addicts than mac users are more likely to be porn addicts than Linux users?
I think the gripe with long class/method names is as much about reading speed/clarity as writing speed.
hmmm, s/f//
printf"Java rules " . 2 ** 800 . "K\n";
How easy is it to uninstall something which has been installed using the ports tree?