If it's a choice, that's fine, but in Europe (AFAIK) there is not even a choice for receiver-pays.
Sure there is on Orange (one of the biggest mobile networks in the UK) you can have a London Landl ine number assigned to you. You pay the extra cost of the mobile call.
Alternatively, it is fairly easy to have a land line number you own redirected to your mobile with you picking up the cost of doing this.
Hardly anyone takes up these options but they are available!
I think he understands how to fix it but is more worried about the DMCA implications of reverse engineering the protocol. I think he is waiting for Microsoft's response to the others before he decides to implement a fix.
I suspect in the future it will be fixed but in the mean time a jabber gateway will allow you to connect.
Ok, I should explain that I wasn't sure about setting up gateways either in the past so I sent konst (the author of CenterICQ) a message via ICQ. He explained that he didn't use gateways so wasn't sure either!:-( Which implies that that gateways are not fully supported by CenterICQ. He did say if I continued to have trouble he would look into it. In the end I cheated a little, I have used the jabber client PSI in the past so I reinstalled this and connected to my jabber account and used it's interface to set-up the Gateway (which was fairly staight forward). Afterwards I disconnected and reconnected with CenterICQ and all was fine, the gateway was up and working.
So my answer is. I'm not sure how you setup Gateways in CenterICQ and it seems like the author of the program doesn't know either. However, if you can get the gateways setup via another jabber client, once done, they will work in CenterICQ.
I might have a bit more of a play around later today. If I have any success using CenterICQ alone to setup a Gateway I'll post back here. Similarly, if anyone works it out I'd be interested to hear how.
If you can't wait and have X installed (or access to a Windows machine) you could 'cheat' as I did.
Well, I am a couple of versions behind you (4.9.5) but konst (the author of CenterICQ) has implied that support isn't currently there. See his website here and scroll down to the section entitled Protocols Strike Back.
Anyway if you have a problem in the future use a Jabber gateway. Matthias Wimmer helped update the Jabber MSN gateway to support the latest protocol and provides a free server on amessage.info along with a working Jabber gateway. It is what I use.
Hmmm... interesting. It doesn't work directly for me, though I am able to connect using a Jabber gateway. The centericq main and fan pages suggest that it doesn't work directly and that the main developer is still considering whether he should add support.
So, what version are you using?
Alternatively, have you tried disconnecting and reconnecting? It may be that you were already connected before the change and hence won't have problems until you reconnect.
Research them??? (reach perhaps?) I think I better learn to use the preview button. I should also stop talking to myself as I doubt anyone but me is now reading this, though if they are, they'll think I'm crazy!
As soon as I saw it I sent off a letter to "Daddy Pants" but by the time I had done this I saw the article had already been formally posted on the front page. Hence I also posted a comment here.:-)
Rubbish - that's an acronym after the fact. The real meaning is that receiving that sort of message is as annoying as having a bunch of Vikings shouting "spam, spam, spam, spam" and drowning out your conversation. Anyone tells you different, they're a n00b to the net and you should ignore them.
I'm sure you are right, though not everyone believes this. See Foldoc where is states, Correspondant Bob White claims the modern use of the term predates Monty Python by at least ten years. He cites an editor for the Dallas Times Herald describing Public Relations as "throwing a can of spam into an electric fan just to see if any of it would stick to the unwary passersby."
I'm running GAIM. If I log in with my ICQ number, then walk over to another machine and login to that machine with my AIM screen name I can send a message to myself and back.
Alternatively you could log into both from the same machine with the same copy of GAIM but using two machines might be better proof in your eyes. Anyway experiment, it works.
Not all clients though, since I have tried with Trillian on windows and failed but GAIM certainly does work!
It also might not work in old version of Gaim. Make sure you are up to date.
I'm running GAIM. If I log in with my ICQ number, then walk over to another machine and login to that machine with my AIM screen name I can send a message to myself and back. Don't believe me? Go ahead and try! Alternatively you could log into both from the same machine with the same copy of GAIM but using two machines might be better proof in your eyes. Anyway experiment, it works. Not all clients though, since I have tried with Trillian on windows and failed but GAIM certainly does work!
Now I was very much of the impression that this was smoke and mirrors from SCO . . . but if comments in the code are the same, then something's not right somewhere
That doesn't mean that Caldera/SCO didn't put the code thier themselves when they worked to Unify Unix/Linux or that the code wasn't taken from Linux or that both Unixware and Linux didn't take the code from BSD!
I want to give you the benefit of the doubt but I suspect you may be a troll. Just in case you are not, I'll respond anyway.
Sounds like the only research the Gartner Group did for this report was to call Microsoft, call RedHat, and find out what they do.
Hmmm, yes they only researched by calling Microsoft and RedHat..... umm, perhaps not? What is your basis for that is? The overview? Since you obviously haven't read the full report, how can you say that?
They didn't even check. They didn't do a study of their own, they didn't talk to people who have done TCO studies of this [winface.com], or talk to Businesses who have already made the jump [bryanconsulting.com]. They looked at Windows, and they guessed.
Again do you KNOW they didn't do a study??? Just becuase it is not publically available you assume they didn't? The figures are only going to available to clients, since they are the ones who paid for them.
Also, from about Gartner. Gartner has 10,500 clients, 1,200 research analysts and consultants, in more than 90 locations worldwide. Fiscal 2001 revenue totaled $963 million. They have been around for 20 years.
Bryan consulting started in 1999 and whilst they don't list it publicaly probably have only a about 3 consultants, if that. WinFace I have never even heard of but the website looks really professional, not! I also see little evidence they have done a 'comprehensive' Linux TCO study. Anyway, Let's do a Google link test:
Call me stupid but I think most people in the IT industry are more likely to take the word of Gartner over Bryan Consulting or Winface.
And they charge $95 per copy for their uneducated guess.
The $95 is for the real report NOT this overview that you have read! Are you trolling or are you serious? I really don't know?
I'll leave you with one last thought. Admittadley, I can find no link to prove it (probably because it has been around such a long time) but when I learnt about IT I was told it was Gartner who invented the Term TCO.
"There are lots of CS and IT guys looking for jobs. If you hire them to support you rather than pay RedHat it may turn out to be cheaper."
That still isn't free, cheaper yes but his point was that for a business that requires support Linux isn't free in the monetary sense.
" I have yet to see real numbers showing it go either way, and there aren't any here either. So don't bother looking for them."
But presumably, Mike Silver (Gartner analyst) could supply the reseach he used to make these comments. Gartner is the biggest IT research company in the world, bigger than IDC, Forrester, etc. If they make this statement they are going have the research to back this up. But they aren't going give it away. Gartner is a paid service. Thier clients paid for the research to be done. Hence this information will only be supplied to clients.
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Either YOU are joking or you clearly don't understand much about compression. Sorry I'm not trying to be an asshole but the orginal statement is correct.
Go to this url, http://www.majcher.com/nytview.html and paste this address into the form:
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/10/technology/10WIR E.html&submit
Then just press submit. It'll create you an account and log you right in. Nice and simple!!!!:-)
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Sure there is on Orange (one of the biggest mobile networks in the UK) you can have a London Landl ine number assigned to you. You pay the extra cost of the mobile call.
Alternatively, it is fairly easy to have a land line number you own redirected to your mobile with you picking up the cost of doing this.
Hardly anyone takes up these options but they are available!
You thought wrong.
I also understood that they license some of there results from google (hence the high quality of results).
wrong again!
I think he understands how to fix it but is more worried about the DMCA implications of reverse engineering the protocol. I think he is waiting for Microsoft's response to the others before he decides to implement a fix.
;-)
I suspect in the future it will be fixed but in the mean time a jabber gateway will allow you to connect.
On the plus side Yahoo does work in 4.9.7!
Ok, I should explain that I wasn't sure about setting up gateways either in the past so I sent konst (the author of CenterICQ) a message via ICQ. He explained that he didn't use gateways so wasn't sure either! :-( Which implies that that gateways are not fully supported by CenterICQ. He did say if I continued to have trouble he would look into it. In the end I cheated a little, I have used the jabber client PSI in the past so I reinstalled this and connected to my jabber account and used it's interface to set-up the Gateway (which was fairly staight forward). Afterwards I disconnected and reconnected with CenterICQ and all was fine, the gateway was up and working.
So my answer is. I'm not sure how you setup Gateways in CenterICQ and it seems like the author of the program doesn't know either. However, if you can get the gateways setup via another jabber client, once done, they will work in CenterICQ.
I might have a bit more of a play around later today. If I have any success using CenterICQ alone to setup a Gateway I'll post back here. Similarly, if anyone works it out I'd be interested to hear how.
If you can't wait and have X installed (or access to a Windows machine) you could 'cheat' as I did.
Also check out the FAQs on the CenterICQ fan site.
Anyway if you have a problem in the future use a Jabber gateway. Matthias Wimmer helped update the Jabber MSN gateway to support the latest protocol and provides a free server on amessage.info along with a working Jabber gateway. It is what I use.
Best of luck!
Hmmm ... interesting. It doesn't work directly for me, though I am able to connect using a Jabber gateway. The centericq main and fan pages suggest that it doesn't work directly and that the main developer is still considering whether he should add support.
So, what version are you using?
Alternatively, have you tried disconnecting and reconnecting? It may be that you were already connected before the change and hence won't have problems until you reconnect.
I use centericq and can connect to people on MSN just fine. I was chatting to someone on MSN less than 5 mins ago.
:-)
How?
I use Jabber to connect to a gateway.
Can anyone confirm they same?
Why??
Research them??? (reach perhaps?) I think I better learn to use the preview button. I should also stop talking to myself as I doubt anyone but me is now reading this, though if they are, they'll think I'm crazy!
Letter??? Hmmm ... I meant to say email! If I sent a letter it may have taken a while to research them, which would have explained the duplicate!
As soon as I saw it I sent off a letter to "Daddy Pants" but by the time I had done this I saw the article had already been formally posted on the front page. Hence I also posted a comment here. :-)
The exact same response found in the link provided in this new story can also be found in the final link update in the old story. See Update: 08/22 18:26 GMT by M: ESR responds. Hence this is a duplicate.
I'm sure you are right, though not everyone believes this. See Foldoc where is states, Correspondant Bob White claims the modern use of the term predates Monty Python by at least ten years. He cites an editor for the Dallas Times Herald describing Public Relations as "throwing a can of spam into an electric fan just to see if any of it would stick to the unwary passersby."
I'm running GAIM. If I log in with my ICQ number, then walk over to another machine and login to that machine with my AIM screen name I can send a message to myself and back.
Alternatively you could log into both from the same machine with the same copy of GAIM but using two machines might be better proof in your eyes. Anyway experiment, it works.
Not all clients though, since I have tried with Trillian on windows and failed but GAIM certainly does work!
It also might not work in old version of Gaim. Make sure you are up to date.
I'm running GAIM. If I log in with my ICQ number, then walk over to another machine and login to that machine with my AIM screen name I can send a message to myself and back. Don't believe me? Go ahead and try! Alternatively you could log into both from the same machine with the same copy of GAIM but using two machines might be better proof in your eyes. Anyway experiment, it works. Not all clients though, since I have tried with Trillian on windows and failed but GAIM certainly does work!
That doesn't mean that Caldera/SCO didn't put the code thier themselves when they worked to Unify Unix/Linux or that the code wasn't taken from Linux or that both Unixware and Linux didn't take the code from BSD!
Sounds like the only research the Gartner Group did for this report was to call Microsoft, call RedHat, and find out what they do.
Hmmm, yes they only researched by calling Microsoft and RedHat. .... umm, perhaps not? What is your basis for that is? The overview? Since you obviously haven't read the full report, how can you say that?
They didn't even check. They didn't do a study of their own, they didn't talk to people who have done TCO studies of this [winface.com], or talk to Businesses who have already made the jump [bryanconsulting.com]. They looked at Windows, and they guessed.
Again do you KNOW they didn't do a study??? Just becuase it is not publically available you assume they didn't? The figures are only going to available to clients, since they are the ones who paid for them.
Also, from about Gartner. Gartner has 10,500 clients, 1,200 research analysts and consultants, in more than 90 locations worldwide. Fiscal 2001 revenue totaled $963 million. They have been around for 20 years. Bryan consulting started in 1999 and whilst they don't list it publicaly probably have only a about 3 consultants, if that. WinFace I have never even heard of but the website looks really professional, not! I also see little evidence they have done a 'comprehensive' Linux TCO study. Anyway, Let's do a Google link test:
sites linking to Gartner5,040!
sites linking to Bryan Consulting8!!
sites linking to WinFace.com0!!!
Call me stupid but I think most people in the IT industry are more likely to take the word of Gartner over Bryan Consulting or Winface.
And they charge $95 per copy for their uneducated guess.
The $95 is for the real report NOT this overview that you have read! Are you trolling or are you serious? I really don't know?
I'll leave you with one last thought. Admittadley, I can find no link to prove it (probably because it has been around such a long time) but when I learnt about IT I was told it was Gartner who invented the Term TCO.
"There are lots of CS and IT guys looking for jobs. If you hire them to support you rather than pay RedHat it may turn out to be cheaper."
That still isn't free, cheaper yes but his point was that for a business that requires support Linux isn't free in the monetary sense.
" I have yet to see real numbers showing it go either way, and there aren't any here either. So don't bother looking for them."
But presumably, Mike Silver (Gartner analyst) could supply the reseach he used to make these comments. Gartner is the biggest IT research company in the world, bigger than IDC, Forrester, etc. If they make this statement they are going have the research to back this up. But they aren't going give it away. Gartner is a paid service. Thier clients paid for the research to be done. Hence this information will only be supplied to clients.
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Either YOU are joking or you clearly don't understand much about compression. Sorry I'm not trying to be an asshole but the orginal statement is correct.
Go to this url, http://www.majcher.com/nytview.html and paste this address into the form:R E.html&submit :-)
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/10/technology/10WI
Then just press submit. It'll create you an account and log you right in. Nice and simple!!!!
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