You mean if you illegally reverse engineer the DVD to find some material that was accidentally left on it and then pass a program around the Internet that lets other people get access to that material I'd be in trouble for not ensuring that you wouldn't break the law and access the material that I had deliberately made sure you couldn't access for the purposes of rating? You're fuckin' kiding right?
For one, it's not in the game. For two, modding the game to enable this feature is unlawful. For three, they didn't lie, these self appointed "experts" just don't understand the press release or are deliberately misinterpreting it to accuse Rockstar of lying. Not to mention the fact that the game was rated MA, not M and there have indeed been AO rated games since ESRB was formed. Are we done now?
Exactly, and people who don't know a damn thing about software think that means that the modder wrote the minigame. I can tell you outright that such a feat is out of the league of modders.
After all this great press coverage, Rockstar should box up the Hot Coffee mod, slap an AO rating on it, and put it on store shelves. Maybe even make the minigame a little more playable. That'll show them "think of the children" wankers how it is. Spread the message: We don't expect your kids to play it, we don't want your kids to play it, the game is for adults.
You mean other than the recent Harry Potter snafu? Sides which, we're talking about web sites here, so anything you might draw from the analogy of printed materials would not be conclusive. After all, courts have ruled that loading software into memory of a computer is "making a copy" for the purposes of copyright.
Ahh, there in lies the difference between neat technology available in the lab and actual mass production. If it were infinitely cheap to make e-ink displays we'd be printing on them right now, even if all it ment was that we could delete the page and print on it a second time.
Sigh, "escorted" is not the same as "dragged kicking and screaming".. it's really simple, IF you are asked to leave AND you refuse THEN the police (or the owner or owner's delgate) may use force to remove you. If they don't ask you to leave and just start assaulting you they are breaking the law. Otherwise how would you know the difference between someone assaulting you to get you out of the store vs someone assaulting you because they didn't like your T-shirt. Oh, and BTW, if you have paid for goods and not yet received them, it is illegal for them to forcably remove you from the premises even if they have requested that you leave.
Wrong. If the owner or their designated agent request that you leave their property and you refuse the police can remove you. They can't just assult you without provocation. God I hate you bend-over-for-the-man wussies.
Sigh, they give permission for archive.org or google or any other internet spider to use their work as they see fit. If they don't like it, all they need do is fill in their robots.txt file. Jesus, what ass clowns.
As has already been shown in the Apple Insider case, you can't publish trade secrets without permission. RMS could go to jail if he does, not that I believe he would care.
When I put up a website, I'm not putting up a poster; I'm setting up a news stand and handing out copies to everyone who walks by. Do I have a right to take back all of those papers I handed out, and disallow every person who took one from showing it to somebody else?
Does anyone else think that this might be the end of RMS? I mean, it's one thing to take on the software industry, but it's quite another to take on the publishers of Harry Potter.
They should buy the Hot Coffee mod, just like Valve bought the Counterstrike mod, and sell it in stores with an AO rating. Or better yet, improve the sex minigame (maybe by making it so you can shoot the girl halfway through the act) and sell it as an expansion pack.
So readdress the article to the companies like Linspire that actually are aiming at the desktop marketshare. Oh wait, they already are making the linux desktop look just like Windows, how about that.
No, that's not clear enough. Put a "Parental Warning" on the box. Put a "Not for kids" on the box. Put a "Aimed at Men aged 21-46, ya know, what surveys say is the gender and age of the average gamer" on the box. Put a "Not made by nintendo, this game contains graphic sex and violence, not happy italian stereotypes eating mushrooms" on the box. Put a "For fuck suck will you prudish bitches please piss off back to the suburbs and let grown men play the games they want to without having to think about what someone else's children may or may not see" on the box.
I'm curious what 'paying' has to do with giving us access to the source code? The ATO gives us access to the binaries, why not the source? It's not worth anything.
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You mean if you illegally reverse engineer the DVD to find some material that was accidentally left on it and then pass a program around the Internet that lets other people get access to that material I'd be in trouble for not ensuring that you wouldn't break the law and access the material that I had deliberately made sure you couldn't access for the purposes of rating? You're fuckin' kiding right?
For one, it's not in the game. For two, modding the game to enable this feature is unlawful. For three, they didn't lie, these self appointed "experts" just don't understand the press release or are deliberately misinterpreting it to accuse Rockstar of lying. Not to mention the fact that the game was rated MA, not M and there have indeed been AO rated games since ESRB was formed. Are we done now?
Exactly, and people who don't know a damn thing about software think that means that the modder wrote the minigame. I can tell you outright that such a feat is out of the league of modders.
Bah, it's just people misinterpreting their press release. When they say the "content" wasn't in GTA they mean the minigame wasn't enabled.
After all this great press coverage, Rockstar should box up the Hot Coffee mod, slap an AO rating on it, and put it on store shelves. Maybe even make the minigame a little more playable. That'll show them "think of the children" wankers how it is. Spread the message: We don't expect your kids to play it, we don't want your kids to play it, the game is for adults.
If only they could make it as exciting as golf!
You mean other than the recent Harry Potter snafu? Sides which, we're talking about web sites here, so anything you might draw from the analogy of printed materials would not be conclusive. After all, courts have ruled that loading software into memory of a computer is "making a copy" for the purposes of copyright.
Shit, that must have been hard, I mean, how many words rhyme with "bastard"?
Ahh, there in lies the difference between neat technology available in the lab and actual mass production. If it were infinitely cheap to make e-ink displays we'd be printing on them right now, even if all it ment was that we could delete the page and print on it a second time.
+1-617-253-8830 say hi for me.
Sigh, "escorted" is not the same as "dragged kicking and screaming".. it's really simple, IF you are asked to leave AND you refuse THEN the police (or the owner or owner's delgate) may use force to remove you. If they don't ask you to leave and just start assaulting you they are breaking the law. Otherwise how would you know the difference between someone assaulting you to get you out of the store vs someone assaulting you because they didn't like your T-shirt. Oh, and BTW, if you have paid for goods and not yet received them, it is illegal for them to forcably remove you from the premises even if they have requested that you leave.
Wrong. If the owner or their designated agent request that you leave their property and you refuse the police can remove you. They can't just assult you without provocation. God I hate you bend-over-for-the-man wussies.
Oh do tell, how would suing RMS be a PR disaster for a book publisher? If Microsoft sued RMS it may be a PR distaster, but a book publisher?
Uhhh, a state police officer has no right to throw you out of anywhere for "making a scene".
Sigh, they give permission for archive.org or google or any other internet spider to use their work as they see fit. If they don't like it, all they need do is fill in their robots.txt file. Jesus, what ass clowns.
You obviously don't know RMS.
As has already been shown in the Apple Insider case, you can't publish trade secrets without permission. RMS could go to jail if he does, not that I believe he would care.
Ya know, he's gunna shock the world when he proposes to his "sweetheart" and has kids. God, imagine being raised by RMS.
When I put up a website, I'm not putting up a poster; I'm setting up a news stand and handing out copies to everyone who walks by. Do I have a right to take back all of those papers I handed out, and disallow every person who took one from showing it to somebody else?
According to copyright law: yes.
Does anyone else think that this might be the end of RMS? I mean, it's one thing to take on the software industry, but it's quite another to take on the publishers of Harry Potter.
They should buy the Hot Coffee mod, just like Valve bought the Counterstrike mod, and sell it in stores with an AO rating. Or better yet, improve the sex minigame (maybe by making it so you can shoot the girl halfway through the act) and sell it as an expansion pack.
So readdress the article to the companies like Linspire that actually are aiming at the desktop marketshare. Oh wait, they already are making the linux desktop look just like Windows, how about that.
Obviously guild wars isn't parting with any more payola.. otherwise Slashdot would have mentioned 'em like everyone else.
No, that's not clear enough. Put a "Parental Warning" on the box. Put a "Not for kids" on the box. Put a "Aimed at Men aged 21-46, ya know, what surveys say is the gender and age of the average gamer" on the box. Put a "Not made by nintendo, this game contains graphic sex and violence, not happy italian stereotypes eating mushrooms" on the box. Put a "For fuck suck will you prudish bitches please piss off back to the suburbs and let grown men play the games they want to without having to think about what someone else's children may or may not see" on the box.
I'm curious what 'paying' has to do with giving us access to the source code? The ATO gives us access to the binaries, why not the source? It's not worth anything.