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Hot Coffee Content Within GTA Confirmed
Gamespot has confirmed, via a long and involved process, that the PS2 version of GTA: San Andreas contains the 'Hot Coffee' content. This essentially means that Rockstar was untruthful when it previously stated the content was added by a modder, but "Given that the minigame is about as raunchy as an episode of Sex and the City, cannot be accessed without entering a long string of cheat codes, and takes several hours of effort to access, charges that San Andreas is 'pornographic' may seem extreme to some."
cannot be accessed without entering a long string of cheat codes, and takes several hours of effort to access
That's what I was afraid of. Does any one have a torrent for the video?
So wait... its not ACTUALLY a minigame? I thought that you actually got to control them having sex or something. Pfft.
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Doesn't matter what it takes to get to the mini-game. It's the content that matters, and after watching the video, yeah. It's pornographic. My wife and I don't have sex that hot.
Thats what you call.. cali-fornication :-p
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Why is this such a big deal with (insert FOTM political retard here) and not with everyone else who has played the game?
Virtually murder scores of people, have gang wars, steal a car, blow up a military base, do drugs, but the second sex comes in to the picture - it's horrible and it kills little baby angels!
This drama has gone a little bit too far, and I really hope the only thing it manages to do is bolster sales of GTA:SA.
Less talkey, more torrentey...
If it's so raunchy, I want to learn.
Wankers.
The question here is not the (stupid and harmless) "sex" content that the game might have, the question is that Rockstar lied, plain and simple.
It's very bad that Rockstar didn't had the balls to just say that the content was there, they tryed to duck out and now they are in a worst situation...
Way to go, Rockstar... we want the games industry to be seen as mature and respectfull and you pull an 15-year-old stunt on us all. Shame on you...
"A sysadmin is a cross between a detective, a police officer, a gardener, a doctor and a fireman"
Where does parental responsibility stop and corporate responsibility begin? Then again, why does Rockstar, if they respect the ESRB as much as they say they do, advertise their Mature product inbetween tweenie television shows and in teenage gamer rags?
Then again, where are they supposed to advertise? And if gaming magazines can't cover the whole spectrum, then libraries shouldn't be allowed to hold copies of Lolita, should they?
I shouldn't have said that. Lord I apologize. Please, don't allow the people with the Daddy-don't-leave complex to start burning books.
After all this great press coverage, Rockstar should box up the Hot Coffee mod, slap an AO rating on it, and put it on store shelves. Maybe even make the minigame a little more playable. That'll show them "think of the children" wankers how it is. Spread the message: We don't expect your kids to play it, we don't want your kids to play it, the game is for adults.
How we know is more important than what we know.
The game has a M rating in the US which is supposed to mean that it's to be played by 17 year olds and above. R Rated movies are the same, 17 and above, but are much more revealing than the pixelated scene in GTA. The question comes down to why the outrage over GTA but not a late night movie on Cinemax? I think it is because people still associate games with children, even if it is an adult themed game. Some children will get their hands on the game, just as some will be watching R rated movies. That's up to the parents to monitor.
Where Rockstar can be found at fault is for not including that scene to be rated by the ESRB. They submitted it for ratings and were supposed to reveal everything for review.
Bah, it's just people misinterpreting their press release. When they say the "content" wasn't in GTA they mean the minigame wasn't enabled.
How we know is more important than what we know.
You cannot say for sure whether they lied or not. It could very well be a single coder/designer who lied. They could have coded the minigame and hidden it. And as the rest of the rockstar development knew, it was just some left over animations. Code in a game is not like code for apps. It is very messy, laced with old, unused code. The ability to track and remove this unused code is very difficult, especially with a game as large as GTA. It could also be that they really did believe that the game was removed. Do you really think that rockstar would lie when the proof would be in the code. When such clear proof exist, would any person lie to the public, especially with the game's history with some politicians.
Of course that's the more important thing. Right.
Ten bucks you consider Clinton's lies worse than Bush's plausible deniability...
I hold the opinion that I'm fairly certain most people on slashdot also hold. That violence in media does not cause real violence. However, Rockstar is in deep crap, and I kind of think they deserve it.
Imagine this. Let's say I made an R rated movie and it goes to theatres and then to DVD. But on the DVD if you enter some secret codes on your remote control you unlock an XXX scene. No censor or ratings board or anything knew about the existence of this scene. Basically that amounts to false advertising (The R rating on the DVD), deception and so forth.
Sure sure, violence is worse than sex. Parents should be better parents. The difference between an M rated game and an Ao is 1 year. et cetera. But that doesn't change that the developers of GTA are in deep crap.
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I'm so tired of hearing about Clinton's blow job and how he lied about it. It should stand as a time when us Americans had it sooo good that we had little to nothing else to bawk about during that period.
We as Americans like to make big deals of things that are so trivial not realizing the time, effort, and cost of such pursuits. How it actually turns an already lawyer infested bloated society more into a police state, making those of us entitled to enjoy such dasterdly ventures enemies of the state.
This 'big deal' was moved on so quickly by the masses that in comparison AIDS and cancer should be viewed as a threat to national security and be cured by now.
Lying about some skin code in a game, (if rockstar really did lie) or about some fat chick who gave you a blow job gets a score of 1 compared that of starting a war under false pretense (Bush lite), defrauding millions of people (Enron), or the countless amounts of people suffering from disease and hunger.
But instead we'll spend the time focusing on blow jobs, game ratings, and how its effecting little Johnny coming into a world we as adult Americans continue to make worse for him everyday.
They are going to jump on Rockstar all over, and on top of all the shit that they already say about Rockstar, they'll add "and they lied to protect themselves!"
It's too easy a target to pickup on, I don't think that the politics and the media will overlook it.
I just think that Rockstar should have handled this whole "incident" in a diferent way...
"A sysadmin is a cross between a detective, a police officer, a gardener, a doctor and a fireman"
"This essentially means that Rockstar was untruthful when it previously stated the content was added by a modder"
If you carefully re-read the statement by Rockstar again you will see it is very cleverly worded to point the blame at the people who released the mod while avoiding actually admitting the content was theirs. They were not untruthful, they were just assisted by some very expensive lawyers in preparing a statement that makes it look like it's not their fault without outright lying. Closer inspection shows they do not deny it.
I can't understand why they tried taking that tack in the first place though. In my post here I did a simple binary comparison of the mod's files to the originals and found only a few bytes difference. It wouldn't take long for anyone to work out that the content is theirs.
A far better route to have taken IMHO is to just admit that it was a feature they removed and that they apologise for any upset caused as they did not think anyone would find it and unlock it.
At the end of the day when the lawsuits start coming in, I think the crux of Rockstar's argument has to be that to access the sex game you have to download the mod which alters the game's files. This was never intended by Rockstar and therefore the responsibility lies with the person who applied the mod to exercise judgement. And if they are not mature enough to do this, their parents should be monitoring their computing activites anyway.
I also forgot to mention making a big deal out of education as I clearly said 'are big deals' and not 'our'.
Yeah... Americans and the All Mighty Lie. Clinton could screw everyone he knew, but by god, he got linched because he lied about it! Now Rockstar is not guilty of covering their ass to the mass media, but of, god forbid, lying. And the media circus is all over it. Why?
Its because of people like you, who like to wave their opinion on non-issue, that mass media and politicians are triving on those stupid, useless stories.
I am Canadian. And proud to be. And I don't care if our prime minister sleep with every voters (beside me). Nor do I care about pixelated whore, especially when you have to sell your first born to the devil and code in the protein sequence for the cure of cancer to see it.
I read some of you are starting to support these idiots who make these claims, I could talk about the content intended for 17+ etc.. or the comparison of the graphic violence vs the aweful fully clothed minigame, but I'm not going to what I'm going to say is simply something worth a little thought, if this had of been microsoft in this situation, they'd of sued the modder for breach of the EULA. Yeah yeah the contents there I agree but it has to be hacked/modded to be accessed, has anyone followed the "progress" of the sims 1 or 2? with nude skins, sex mods, and much more, or the Nude Raider mod from years ago?
.... that shouldn't be playing the damn game in the first place.....I've gone on longer than I expected and now my head hurts with all this PC BS.
Fact is the modders can mod alot of content, thats what they do.
Now if this has been a britney spears dance mat game rated suitable for all, but if you danced a special code you could hardcore britney up the ass, I'd of bought it...... er scratch that, I mean... I'd of agreed the content was wrong yada, yada, yada, but the fact of the matter is this is GRAND THEFT AUTO, a name known worldwide for violence and it causes a controversy nearly everytime a new one is released.
And on a side note has everyone forgot the sex with prostitutes that has been in the game since III? let me get my head around this, whores = cool and ok, sex with long term gf = baaaad 0o0o0o0o0o
yeah great message for our future generations
Wake up, support rockstar and while your at it stomp the heads of the idiots who come out with this shit, don't worry when it gets to court you can blame GTA and the same people will get you off without any charges.
Rockstar SHOULD have just come out and said that the content is tame and is only accessible by modifiying or going through a rigourous process of cheatcodes and bugs to get to. I'm sure since at some point they intended to release it as part of the game and knew about rating boards ahead of time that the "hot coffee" is hardly XXX crazy monkey sex.
Besides, it's not the first game to do this, in God of War there are several women who are toppless, and you can sleep with two topless prostitutes at the begining for bonus experience. It switches to a shot of the endtable at the head of the bed with an urn, you have to knock the urn off the table by shaking the headboard by hitting the keys that come up on screen, and you hear the women moaning in the backround the whole tim.
All you have to do in order to prove this content wasn't actually added by the mod is to take a savegame from GTA: San Andreas with the "Hot Coffee" mod installed and run it on an install of San Andreas that doesn't have the mod installed. You'll notice the sex scenes are still in the game even though it isn't modded. I mentioned this awhile ago... on my own website
It started back in Team Fortress Classic
God dammit. I hate myself for screwing that up. Why can't Slashdot just read my line breaks?!? I should have used the Preview button. Mod me down, please.
Why is it that when you believe something it's an opinion, but when I believe something it's a manifesto?
This part of the game wasn't availible until the modder released a patch to unlock it. The code was not availible to play until this time. So I guess it depends on what your definition of "is" is.
It is perhaps helpful to remember that Rockstar is a company made up of lots of people. If the execs lied about it then that's stupid, pure and simple. But it could also be the case that they didn't know about it. Think about it: The person or persons who put this stuff in don't want to lose their jobs. They lie to management, who (conveniently) believes them and lets out a PR.
The content isn't enabled in the game. There is no known way to enable it either without using a action replay or a gameshark. Anything that happens after you've put in memory editing codes via a Action Replay/Gameshark/whatever shouldn't be counted as part of the normal game play experience.
There used to be a huge load of Xploder codes which together did a nude mod on a single level of Tomb Raider. Does this mean Eidos are guilty of porn now?
What is it with these people and their alledge moral highground? GET A LIFE!
You've never seen the warning on dvd lables saying "dvd extras not rated"
Well if that's the case, then I do think fault lies with Rockstar. I don't think the ESRB did anything wrong though, since the content is not achievable through normal play means.
The question is why this material was left in the game in the first place... Was there any possibility that R* was planning on "leaking" a method to access this?
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Is that you Darl?!
"So far we have learned that the "hot coffee" modification is the work of a determined group of hackers who have gone to significant trouble to alter scenes in the official version of the game," reads the statement. "In violation of the software user agreement, hackers created the 'hot coffee' modification by disassembling and then combining, recompiling and altering the game's source code. Since the 'hot coffee' scenes cannot be created without intentional and significant technical modifications and reverse engineering of the game's source code, we are currently investigating ways that we can increase the security protection of the source code and prevent the game from being altered by the 'hot coffee' modification."
.scm file) much less than would be required to manipulate animations and textures in the game.
how is this statement issued by R* incorrect? The mod works by editing the main.scm file(the mission script). R* intentionally removed the scenes from the game before release. The mod (even though simple) edits a flag that re-enables this feature. In effect Patrick had to reverse engineer the main.scm file, and edit copywritten materials.
Regardless of the amount of actual editing that went into making this mod (i believe it was a single bit), the time it took to find and edit the content to enable a feature that R* did not intend for release completely supports their statement. Nowhere in their statement did R* say that the content was not originally ingame. (It'd be tough to argue that considering the file was a single
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That's the disgusting part of these "politicians" getting involved. Lying sacks, the majority, of both major parties. So much so that disgusting talk show hosts on either side can get their jollies off blanket coloring 100's of millions of people either snide voice conservatives or contempt and hatred LIBERALS.
I hate all politicians and all radio talk show hosts right now! This big fit about this video game is complete retard criteria!
but no one can be legally prohibited from selling their game for not submitting it to ratings.
Nintendo is known to require an ESRB rating on all titles published for its consoles, and it must be M or younger. Sony and Microsoft are thought to have a similar policy. Because lawfully bootable discs must use the console maker's copyrighted, patented, and trade-secreted bootloader, the presence of an ESRB rating has the force of copyright, patent, and trade secret law.
The same goes for MPAA ratings on movies.
There's a difference. Basic motion picture filming and projection technology is so old that its patents have expired. Besides, Panavision, Dolby, and other owners of patents on processes used in filmmaking don't have a policy requiring CARA ratings.
I'm so tired of hearing about Clinton's blow job and how he lied about it ... We as Americans like to make big deals of things that are so trivial not realizing the time, effort, and cost of such pursuits.
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With respect to the public at large
BJ: Trivial.
Lied to wife: Trivial, family matter.
Lied to press: Trivial, understandable.
Lied in court while under oath: Substantial, criminal, worthy of investigation and prosecution. You know, Nixon was not involved in the Watergate break-in, had no knowledge of it beforehand, and only got into trouble because he lied about it and covered it up. It is not the act that rightfully get's Presidents in trouble but the coverup and lies during official legal proceedings.
Your failure to understand this is very dangerous. No President should be allowed to lie under oath or in official legal proceedings.
For one, it's not in the game. For two, modding the game to enable this feature is unlawful.
Wrong on both counts. It sounds like an Easter Egg not a mod: "cannot be accessed without entering a long string of cheat codes, and takes several hours of effort to access".
That is a big deal and quite idiotic of them. All copies of the game could be pulled from retail stores and a new manufacturing run could be required. That is a major financial mistake, someone should be fired, maybe even sued, by the publisher not some crazy parent.
"Lied in court while under oath: Substantial, criminal, worthy of investigation and prosecution. .. No President should be allowed to lie under oath or in official legal proceedings. "
Consider this: Clinton was in his final years in office. He couldn't run again. His marriage, however, lasts the rest of his life. For all we know, he lied to save his marriage.
Maybe he did, maybe he didn't, we don't really know. But I'm not going to tar and feather the guy for lying about his sex life. It really wasn't the general public's business.
With that said, I'd probably have a different story to tell if it was clear that it caused him to not do his job properly.
"Derp de derp."
Consider this: Clinton was in his final years in office. He couldn't run again. His marriage, however, lasts the rest of his life. For all we know, he lied to save his marriage.
So it's OK to lie under oath in court and make a mockery of a judicial proceeding if it is convenient for your to do so. That is an amazing attitude, dangerous too. I don't think you have thought this concept through. Keep the knee jerk reaction in check for a little while and think about this for a little while.
Secondly, there was potentially more to it than his marriage. It could have established a pattern of behavior and be used against him in sexual harrassment lawsuits. At the time that he was exposed to such a risk so the lies could be viewed as obstruction of justice in such a context. Things are far more complicated than you suggest.
I'll save you time. Here's Rockstar's statement.
Every single time, Rockstar stated, "altering the game's source code". They never said the content wasn't in there. That was a complete misinterpretation of their statement.
What they said was the equivalent of saying, "We did not distribute porn to kids. The claims that we did were the equivalent of a bunch of guys who broke a window, climbed in to our locked house, raided every drawer and closet, finally found our safe, spent hours cracking it, and finally found the porn that, sure, we owned, but we never made even slightly accessible to kids."
The best you can legitimately claim is that, like most people seem to do, Rockstar told the absolute truth but just the very specific version of it that painted them in the best light.
Unfortunately, a bunch of people who don't understand the difference between accessible [if hidden behind certain secret areas] content and content that's absolutely walled and locked off from any user no matter how they interact with the game short of figuratively breaking and entering with tools unavailable to regular users, misinterpretted that statement.
And now others who apparently don't understand computers (or don't bother to actually read the original statement) come out and make more false assumptions.
This is about comparable to SCO saying "Linux isn't fit for even late night TV" under the grounds its source code is legendarily full of profanities. You don't actually see any of them when you run Linux but, just as inaccurately, SCO can claim they exist and therefore children shouldn't be allowed to use it.
Is this really a direction we want to encourage through our own misunderstandings? Come on slashdot, we're supposed to be more intelligent than that.
Anyone who thinks rockstar lied in their press release needs to reread the thing.
Not once did they say it was player created content. Merely player altered content. When asked straight-out about it? No comment.
Keep in mind that a standing president can't be called as a defendant. How do you think, exactly, that Clinton, therefore, was able to be put in a position to lie under oath? Answer: He wasn't a defendant, he was subpeona'd for a different matter.
The real core of this is, while probably he shouldn't have lied, he really should never have been asked any questions relating to his affair with Lewinski, as they were immaterial to the matter at hand. It was the very definition of a fishing expedition, just trying to find _anything_ to damage Clinton's administration. And "anything" they did find, but clearly the Lewinski escapade was a personal matter (which common sense dictates is not an uncommon activity in DC), and shouldn't have even been brought up in questioning.
So, the question remains, when one is the subject of a witchhunt, should they answer all questions that may aid the people running said hunt truthfully, knowing that even the smallest indiscretion will not be set aside in spite of your honesty?
Hint: In life, honesty isn't always the best policy.
"So it's OK to lie under oath in court and make a mockery of a judicial proceeding if it is convenient for your to do so. That is an amazing attitude, dangerous too. "
You're right, that's an amazingly dangerous attitude. Pity that has little relevance to what I said.
Send the media out to dig up dirt on a politician, and before long you'll find all kinds of complexities that can be over-analyzed. Extremes go both ways. At some point a little common sense has to be injected into the situation.
"Things are far more complicated than you suggest."
"Things are really complicated, but I won't consider his motivations for lying on the stand! They're not that complicated!"
"Derp de derp."
The real core of this is, while probably he shouldn't have lied, he really should never have been asked any questions relating to his affair with Lewinski, as they were immaterial to the matter at hand.
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Wasn't the matter at hand the Jones investigation? Jones was claiming sexual harassment when she was a subordinte government employee. How is sexual relations with another subordinate government employee not relevant?
It was the very definition of a fishing expedition
So a victim of workplace sexual harassment has no right to seek justice? Her predatory boss should be free to lie in court to preserve the "harmony" of his marriage and to protect his image. This is the position you are in fact advocating.
Hint: In life, honesty isn't always the best policy.
That's why we have the fifth ammendment. Before offering hints you should get a clue.
"Way to go, Rockstar... we want the games industry to be seen as mature and respectfull and you pull an 15-year-old stunt on us all. Shame on you..."
Um, to be fair, there was no way out. The media's on a witch hunt against Rockstar. In that event, no matter what they do, they'll be burned. If Rockstar had said: "Yes, there is sexual content in the game. It's very hard and impractical to get to." guess which part of that quote wouldn't have made it to the media.
It would have been better if the content wasn't in there at all. But let's be serious, there are a lot of people trying to find bs in that game. Personally, instead of losing respect for Rockstar, I've lost respect for those trying to tie them to the stake. "This was so important we needed Hillary Clinton to lead the parade!"
"Derp de derp."
Me: "BJ: Trivial. Lied to wife: Trivial, family matter. Lied to press: Trivial, understandable. Lied in court while under oath: Substantial, criminal, worthy of investigation and prosecution."
You: "Consider this: Clinton was in his final years in office. He couldn't run again. His marriage, however, lasts the rest of his life. For all we know, he lied to save his marriage. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't, we don't really know. But I'm not going to tar and feather the guy for lying about his sex life. It really wasn't the general public's business."
Me: So it's OK to lie under oath in court and make a mockery of a judicial proceeding if it is convenient for your to do so. That is an amazing attitude, dangerous too.
You're right, that's an amazingly dangerous attitude. Pity that has little relevance to what I said.
In practice it is very much what you have said, although I admit you probably did not think things through very far and did not mean it that way, but that is the danger in making exceptions.
If the game was rated M for Mature (18+), then why is the idea of a sex mini-game so shocking? Don't you have to be 18 or older to purchase Adult magazines, etc? What about rated R movies (17+) that have sex scenes, nudity, etc.
Lied in court while under oath
Ok, moron, since this is such a big deal to you, maybe it would help if you actually knew what happened?
At one point, while under oath, Clinton was asked, basically, "have you had sexual relations with Lewinsky?" To this he responded, "please define sexual relations?" The prosecution, already knowing FULL WELL about the BJ, specifically left oral sex off of the list when defining 'sexual relations.' Clinton took the bait and said, TRUTHFULLY, AS DEFINED BY THE PROSECUTION, "No, I did not have sexual relations with that woman."
Later on, it was proven that Clinton did, indeed receive a BJ from Lewinsky. BUT HE NEVER CLAIMED THAT HE DIDN'T, AS DEFINED BY THE PROSECUTION.
Fortunately, most morons don't look into the whole background of the case, and don't understand exactly how the whole thing happened. "omg he had sexxorz in teh oval office and he said he didnt!" So the prosecution got exactly what they wanted: it appeared that they had caught Clinton lying. After millions of dollars worth of investigation, being unable to turn up anything useful against him, ALL THEY COULD DO WAS TRICK HIM INTO APPEARING TO LIE UNDER OATH.
Here's the real story: Clinton DID NOT LIE. PERIOD. Starr just changed definitions around on him to make it appear that he did.
Your failure to understand this is very dangerous. No citizen should be so easily manipulated by lawyer-types into believing what the lawyer wants them to believe.
I apologize for the caps. I get sick of straightening people out on this -- not that most of them listen, because they prefer to believe that he lied anyway.
--Jeremy
Jesus was a liberal
"In practice it is very much what you have said...."
No, it is not. I said to consider his motivations, I did not say it was okay to lie under oath. Motive is very much a factor in judging one's guilt. Toss it out and make everything statuatory, and justice never really gets served.
Given the amount of word smithing used in any given court case, I just cannot see why you'd be against the use of a little common sense.
"Derp de derp."
I know that it wasn't quite as explicit, but does anyone remember that one version of SimCopter that had the little "boxer-clad men run around kissing" feature? Why didn't we hear such an uproar about that?
I just thought the whole deal was behind a Mod of the games PC version. So this "coffee" exploit is actually in the PS2 version?
sorry for feeding thy troll like nature, but this makes them wankers how?
Ok, moron, since this is such a big deal to you, maybe it would help if you actually knew what happened?
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There is a little problem with your rant. He admitted he lied, or do you consider "false testimony" and "a lie" to be different things. That would be classic if you do though.
"(CBS) Overcoming his earlier defiance, President Clinton on Friday acknowledged that he gave false testimony in the Monica Lewinsky scandal, just as prosecutors have contended. Mr. Clinton's admission in a deal with Independent Counsel Robert Ray brings an apparent end to the legal woes that have plagued his presidency and spare him from a possible criminal indictment after he leaves office."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/01/19/politic
Your failure to understand this is very dangerous. No citizen should be so easily manipulated by lawyer-types into believing what the lawyer wants them to believe.
And when you bought into the spin that "false testimony" and "a lie" are not the same that was not manipulation? Open your eyes, no president should be allowed to lie to the court, oh, excuse me, give false testimony to the court. Not even the sympathetic ones you like. That is a line that should not be crossed, its too dangerous.
Rockstar has decided to take the politicians way out of this by lieing and denying everything, which rarely works. They should have simply said it was true and then have the ESRB change the games rating to AO and send stores new stickers to place on the box noting the new AO rating. Then do a new run of the game with the minigame ENABLED yes even put it on the box that it's available. Then do another run if want of the game witht he minigame completely ripped out and have that rated M and everyone is happy. This would require them to spend money though and admit a mistake had been made.
Bill Clinton said: "I tried to walk a fine line between acting lawfully and testifying falsely, but I now recognize that I did not fully accomplish this goal and am certain my responses to questions about Ms. Lewinsky were false,"
But the REALLY sad thing about this is your defense of it, and your rabid attack on others. Partisian politics is killing this country. Clinton lied. He, in his own testimony admits he was trying to circumvent the truth without technically breaking the law, because that would have been *OK*. To me trying to circumvent the truth is just as bad.
I also believe that there was disinformation on Iraq. I believe Karl Rove should be fired and then prosecuted. I believe in punishing the guilty whether they share my political ideology or not. What bothers me the most about American politics today is the republicans and democrats who blindly follow their leaders and then further the lies of their party line by repeating them (as you have done).
So, I would ask you (and everyone) to turn down the rhetoric (...Your failure to understand this is very dangerous. No citizen should be so easily manipulated...) and instead encourage everyone to seek the truth. Every individual should be allowed to interpret the truth as they see fit -- but we should all be zealots for making sure that the truth is actually known.
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm
wow i agreed with everything you said (and it was well said) until you ended your post with an amazing contridiction to everything you said. "Every individual should be allowed to interpret the truth as they see fit.." Truth exists externally to anyones interpretation - it has to or else your defining truth as something a few people deifne and make everyone else adhere to. Thats not truth - thats LAW (or dictatorship). Truth has nothing to do with your interpretation.
I installed the PC version of the mod in about 3 seconds, there are actually two versions for the PC that can be 'unlocked'.
The version i unlocked is the hidden code version, you download a small app and it switches a so called 'censored flag'. This then allows you to enter the house of your girlfriend for coffee and actually play a mini game, the mini game involves using the up and down keys and also switching position using another key.
It is pretty lame really and not that sexy, the characters are fully clothed. You can also apparently download a mod that applies textures to the characters in the game and makes them naked, so i guess some confusion has arisen here?
Rockstar semed to have code in the game already that allows you to play the minigame but its not really pornographic until you mod the game and add nudity and so decompile it and recompile it etc
Hmmm not quite on topic as the thread is about the PS2 version, but the furor only started when some PC hackers got their hands on the PC version.
So it is ok for Presidents to lie as long as they are not under oath? Clinton lied about a BJ, Bush lied for justification for war. But since Clinton was under oath, he was almost impeached, but since Bush only lied during the State of the Union address, and numerous press conferences, but wasn't under oath, it is ok?
If that is the case, all Presidents should be required to swear an oath before any speech or press conference.
Love his newest lie. Before, he said he would fire anyone "involved" in the Plame leak (said on 3 seperate occasions), now he will only fire anyone "who commited a crime." Big difference, and more lies.
I'm reminded of the great Punster, who observed two women yelling across an alleyway in NYC from their respective apartments. "They will never agree" said the punster, "for they argue from different premises."
I see what you mean though -- perhaps I should have used the word "facts" instead of truth, because some people interpret truth with a capital T. The way I meant it was that every individual should be allowed to interpret the facts as they see fit. I apologize for any semantic confusion.
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As a non-American, what worries me are the crimes committed in the "national interest" -- e.g. torture, illegal invasions and wars waged on false pretexts, etc. I couldn't give a flying fuck about whether or not a Democrat or Republican President is a rapist, drug user or whatever as long as it doesn't fuck up the lives of millions of other people.
(JFK & LBJ were probably equally as culpable as Bush & Cheney on the above charges, what with Cuba, Vietnam and the activities of the CIA...)
I can't decide which is more shocking - GTA for allowing you to have sex with your girlfriend after dating a few times (realistic) or The Sims 2 (with nude patch), where I can have same-sex marriage and homosexual sex (both of which are banned in almost all US States).
So many choices, so little time...
We had no business asking him if he had received a blowjob from anyone. If the American public received a lie for asking such a question, the fault is with the public for asking it. Now if he had lied about business that the American public had a right to know about, I would gladly prosecute him... and for the record, I did not like Clinton.
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