I've never used it (I don't use mail clients, I have a dinky little free webmail thing:)), but I know one of the developers, and he said it was stable and good, anyway, you can find it at http://althea.sourceforge.net
It seems to me that "Unmaintained Free Software" at http://unmaintained.sourceforge.net/ is the most organized and most successful of the few "Orphaned Open-source" projects out there.
First of all, having them try it out on one of the distros that put it on the FAT partition might just convince them that it's bad. That's why that's not a good idea.
Secondly, neither PhatLinux or Red Hat are loopback distributions. PhatLinux and the like run on the UMSDOS filesystem, which is, ick, and I don't believe Red Hat provides an easy installation to UMSDOS. Regardless, they're not loopback, Mandrake is the only distro I know of that provides a simple way to install as a loopback device.
Putting Linux on a separate partition does not require wiping everyone on the hard drive. It's easy to use FIPS (after defragmenting) to just split the FAT partition making available an area for a real ext2 Linux installation.
If Slashdot can take such DOS attacks, why don't you make good on some of your claims of being for the community, or for the free software community. Granted, the queues would still fill up with crap, but that could be taken care with careful handling.
While this really isn't a solution to your problem, Linux is definitely not slower loading than Windows. If you were to run the same functionality (daemons and such) on Linux as a basic Windows machine, Linux loads MUCH faster. Even with a bunch of daemons set to load, Linux loads as fast as a Windows machine that's not doing anything networking.
You still have to keep in mind that this would merely be one of the many files of the same song on the system. Consequently, you wouldn't be able to get everyone who was downloading a particular song, just the people who download your particular file.
Apparently no one knows that there is also an abundance of places where you can download movies. It's funny, because there are all these quotes about how the movie industry would be pissed if you could download movies off the Net.:)
While I can't attest to the amount of distributions, that number seems a bit high. Regardless, it's variety, customization for what a particular user wants. I've never run into a program that would run on only 1, 2, or 3 distros. It doesn't matter how a package is packaged, it's not difficult to extract the binaries from that package, such as an RPM, and use it on any system. Besides, it's better to use sources anyway.
All you have to do is extract the binaries from the RPM and use them, they'll work fine. Also, I haven't seen one app on SuSE that I couldn't get for Red Hat or Mandrake and vice-versa.
While I currently have had not much direct experience with it, I have seen TONS of horror stories about Windows 2000, and not anything related to something that (as in Linux) you could just read the documentation and it would work correctly and flawlessly.
Just because the actual RPM doesn't install flawlessly on various different distros doesn't mean they're incompatible. It's extremely easy to extract what's in the RPM and install it manually. Even better, you could compile the sources and have a binary perfectly suited to your machine.
Just because the user is dumb doesn't mean the operating system is bad. In fact, all the dumb user needs is a good sysadmin in the house to handle everything. In fact, it's quite good that programs don't install their own libraries rather than relying on dependencies, otherwise, you would end up with a Windows-like system where you have to reformat and reinstall Windows in order to clean out all the crap DLLs.
For a couple of good reasons. First of all, not many people use "viri" they use "virii" or "viruses." Secondly, in Latin, "viri" is the plural of "vir" (man), not the plural of "virus."
It is inherently impossible to prevent the copying of something that is there for people to see. If a DVD were uncopyable, you would be unable to see it at all. By the very method it is seen by your eyes, you can copy it, and by the very method it is sent to the monitor, the video card, the hard drive, the RAM, whatever, you can copy it. If it were impossible to copy, it would also be impossible to view.
First of all, IRC warez and mp3 trading is much less done that what's done on napster. Most kids don't even know what IRC is, let alone how to connect and find the stuff. Even if they did, it's definitely not as easy as napster.
Now to the meat, shh! Don't go blurting out about IRC. I find it amusing that the suits don't have a clue about it. I recently read an article in The Boston Globe (or was it Newsweek?) about the whole mp3 and napster thing. An amusing quote by one of the interviewees was "Hollywood will be much more concerned once people start trading pirated movies over the Internet such as Gladiator" as if they're not already...:)
For this particular comment for instance, this would be the Works Cited entry using a combination for what would be done for "Source within a source" and "citations from online databases":
Hagar, Chris, "How I would do it." _Slashdot_. Ask Slashdot Section: "On Internet Discussion Boards and Referencing Slashdot" 27 May 2000. Available from: http://slashdot.org/ Internet. 27 May 2000.
Author, "Comment Name." _Forum_. Section: "Thread" Date of Comment. Available from: http://Website/ Internet. Date when material was accessed.
While no one needs to recompile their kernel, it does provide performance increases.
Chris Hagar
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I go through the comments, and I honestly can't find much bashing it. Also, while it might be easy to paint the entire Linux "community" as hypocrites. It's not as though the same people that complain about Linux being bashed because it's new are also the same people who are bashing this new operating system.
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"I've looked at C++ and C# and I don't understand what ObjC must have done wrong to be losing out to the likes of them."
Chris Hagar
On a side note, if you look at all the comments by people about this, it's rather amusing how few people must have actually followed the link.
Chris Hagar
I don't see why you think C# has caught on, it really hasn't, and if it does, it's because MS is behind it.
Chris Hagar
I've never used it (I don't use mail clients, I have a dinky little free webmail thing :)), but I know one of the developers, and he said it was stable and good, anyway, you can find it at http://althea.sourceforge.net
Chris Hagar
It seems to me that "Unmaintained Free Software" at http://unmaintained.sourceforge.net/ is the most organized and most successful of the few "Orphaned Open-source" projects out there.
Chris Hagar
Secondly, neither PhatLinux or Red Hat are loopback distributions. PhatLinux and the like run on the UMSDOS filesystem, which is, ick, and I don't believe Red Hat provides an easy installation to UMSDOS. Regardless, they're not loopback, Mandrake is the only distro I know of that provides a simple way to install as a loopback device.
Putting Linux on a separate partition does not require wiping everyone on the hard drive. It's easy to use FIPS (after defragmenting) to just split the FAT partition making available an area for a real ext2 Linux installation.
Chris Hagar
If Slashdot can take such DOS attacks, why don't you make good on some of your claims of being for the community, or for the free software community. Granted, the queues would still fill up with crap, but that could be taken care with careful handling.
Chris Hagar
While this really isn't a solution to your problem, Linux is definitely not slower loading than Windows. If you were to run the same functionality (daemons and such) on Linux as a basic Windows machine, Linux loads MUCH faster. Even with a bunch of daemons set to load, Linux loads as fast as a Windows machine that's not doing anything networking.
Chris Hagar
You still have to keep in mind that this would merely be one of the many files of the same song on the system. Consequently, you wouldn't be able to get everyone who was downloading a particular song, just the people who download your particular file.
Chris Hagar
We're not in a real universe at all and our creators wouldn't let their masterpiece die?
Chris Hagar
Apparently no one knows that there is also an abundance of places where you can download movies. It's funny, because there are all these quotes about how the movie industry would be pissed if you could download movies off the Net. :)
Chris Hagar
While I can't attest to the amount of distributions, that number seems a bit high. Regardless, it's variety, customization for what a particular user wants. I've never run into a program that would run on only 1, 2, or 3 distros. It doesn't matter how a package is packaged, it's not difficult to extract the binaries from that package, such as an RPM, and use it on any system. Besides, it's better to use sources anyway.
Chris Hagar
All you have to do is extract the binaries from the RPM and use them, they'll work fine. Also, I haven't seen one app on SuSE that I couldn't get for Red Hat or Mandrake and vice-versa.
Chris Hagar
While I currently have had not much direct experience with it, I have seen TONS of horror stories about Windows 2000, and not anything related to something that (as in Linux) you could just read the documentation and it would work correctly and flawlessly.
Chris Hagar
Oh, and what does this have to do with Everything 2?
Chris Hagar
Just because the user is dumb doesn't mean the operating system is bad. In fact, all the dumb user needs is a good sysadmin in the house to handle everything. In fact, it's quite good that programs don't install their own libraries rather than relying on dependencies, otherwise, you would end up with a Windows-like system where you have to reformat and reinstall Windows in order to clean out all the crap DLLs.
Chris Hagar
He refers to BladeEnc which is another mp3 encoder.
Chris Hagar
For a couple of good reasons. First of all, not many people use "viri" they use "virii" or "viruses." Secondly, in Latin, "viri" is the plural of "vir" (man), not the plural of "virus."
Chris Hagar
I don't know how much this applies, but does not open standard imply that it's free, or something?
Chris Hagar
It is inherently impossible to prevent the copying of something that is there for people to see. If a DVD were uncopyable, you would be unable to see it at all. By the very method it is seen by your eyes, you can copy it, and by the very method it is sent to the monitor, the video card, the hard drive, the RAM, whatever, you can copy it. If it were impossible to copy, it would also be impossible to view.
Chris Hagar
I don't know, but isn't that what sensationalism is?
Chris Hagar
Now to the meat, shh! Don't go blurting out about IRC. I find it amusing that the suits don't have a clue about it. I recently read an article in The Boston Globe (or was it Newsweek?) about the whole mp3 and napster thing. An amusing quote by one of the interviewees was "Hollywood will be much more concerned once people start trading pirated movies over the Internet such as Gladiator" as if they're not already... :)
Chris Hagar
Hagar, Chris, "How I would do it." _Slashdot_. Ask Slashdot Section: "On Internet Discussion Boards and Referencing Slashdot" 27 May 2000. Available from: http://slashdot.org/ Internet. 27 May 2000.
Author, "Comment Name." _Forum_. Section: "Thread" Date of Comment. Available from: http://Website/ Internet. Date when material was accessed.
Chris Hagar
While no one needs to recompile their kernel, it does provide performance increases.
Chris Hagar
I go through the comments, and I honestly can't find much bashing it. Also, while it might be easy to paint the entire Linux "community" as hypocrites. It's not as though the same people that complain about Linux being bashed because it's new are also the same people who are bashing this new operating system.
Chris Hagar